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  1. bugged.out.in.bklyn

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    Posted 10 years ago
    Wed Dec 17 2008 10:39:06
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    My PCO came yesterday and doused our apt in EcoExempt. Will three treatments of this product spaced 2 weeks apart be enough? We've washed/bagged our clothes, books, records, etc. My girlfriend and I have been through bed bugs once already and don't want to repeat this expensive, time consuming, sleep depriving process. Is there something else we should be doing? Should we be asking the PCO for more?

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    Posted 10 years ago
    Wed Dec 17 2008 10:55:40
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    I looked and the label and I don't think this product is even labeled for bedbugs. One of the PCO's on here can answer this better, but this is the first time I have seen this product used exclusivily by a PCO to treat bedbugs Suspend, Demand, Bedlam, Gentol, Drione Dust, etc. are the products I see most people/PCO's using.

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    Posted 10 years ago
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    Thanks. I'm nervous about our PCO's experience with BBs. If you are one of the PCOs on here please let me know what you think. Can the problem go away with just EcoExempt?

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    Posted 10 years ago
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    EcoExempt is a brand. More info is needed.

    Which formula was it? EcoExpempt IC-2, EcoExempt MC, EcoExempt Dust? etc.)

    See:
    http://www.google.com/search?source=ig&hl=en&rlz=&=&q=ecoexempt&btnG=Google+Search&aq=f

    Did they write it down for you? You can ask them if not.

    I started and run the site but am "not an expert."
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    Posted 10 years ago
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    He used EcoExempt KO in office, bedroom and living room.
    http://www.biconet.com/crawlers/ecoExemptKO.html

    And he used EcoPro ACU in the kitchen.

    The floor was slick due to the massive amount of chemicals used.

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    Posted 10 years ago
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    EcoExempt KO (office, kitchen, bedroom):

    EcoSMART Technologies, Inc.® Revised March 2006

    2-Phenethyl Propionate (active ingredient)
    % by weight: 5.0%
    Exposure Limits: None established

    Eugenol (active ingredient)
    % by weight: 0.5%
    Exposure Limits: None established

    Proprietary Solvent Blend (inert ingredient)
    % by weight: to 100.0%
    Exposure Limits: None established

    Carbon Dioxide (inert ingredient)
    % by weight: 2.0-4.0%
    Exposure Limits: TWA: 5000ppm (OSHA)

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    EcoPco (not EcoPro) ACU (kitchen)

    contains:

    Plant Essential Oils
    Isoparaffinic Hydrocarbon
    Propane
    Isobutane

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    Perhaps some of the pros can share their thoughts?

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    Posted 10 years ago
    Wed Dec 17 2008 23:23:39
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    I will answer some of the questions both here and from your PM so others will understand the formulation of products used. My 2 cents is this:

    First I will mention I am a certified green pest management specialist and use the products you listed for some of my “green” programs (but not for bed bugs). They are on the "green" side of products as far as pesticides go.

    They both share the same active ingredient with the exception that EcoExempt KO has Eugenol in it. This is a contact killer and a flushing agent. Once the product dries there is no residual killing power and the product is no longer effective. This product can push bed bugs further into harborage if over applied as a flusher. What direction will the bug move when you use it? Toward the chemical for a contact kill or away from the product for a happy life elsewhere? Can't answer that question.

    The second product EcoPCO ACU: has 0 residual effects and is also a contact kill. If you don't spray the bug directly this product is useless. This product is labeled by the EPA where as EcoExempt KO is not. ACU does not have bed bugs on the label.

    At the moment you have 0 protection since the (I'll call him the bug guy since I don't know if he is a professional or an imposter the landlord hired)"bug guy" left. If an egg was to hatch today in essence that bug could bite and find safe harborage without dying. Or a female may still find safe harborage and keep up egg laying production.

    If they wanted to go with a green approach they could of used:
    EcoExempt IC2 for a liquid residual. Active ingredients being rosemary & peppermint oil.
    EcoPCO D X for a dust application or DE etc.

    Or just as well looked for each bug and squashed them with this finger if they wanted to go “green”.

    As best I could figure or bet, they did not hit every bug in every crack & crevice or harborage to eradicate your problem.

    You need to let your landlord know this will wind up costing him/her more money if not done properly. I’m sure the words rent strike will soon be buzzing in the lobby. If you need further info just ask .. KQ

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    Posted 10 years ago
    Wed Dec 17 2008 23:43:25
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    Killer, does rosemary oil and peppermint oil actually do anything?

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    MyWorstFear - 28 minutes ago  » 
    Killer, does rosemary oil and peppermint oil actually do anything?

    The company that makes these products has come a long way from the "organic" pesticides that hit the market in years past. I have used the products with success and I'll tell you I’m not afraid to approach a wasp or hornet nest with them as they will drop a yellow jacket or a bald face hornet on their ass. And as I mentioned they have very low impact on the environment. “Green”

    I use to do all my dust work with NIC 325 (pulverized limestone and rosemary) for bed bugs. The product rocked! I loved it.. But the EPA took it off the market after they came out with NIC Pro Organic and didn't get EPA approval to market the product as a pesticide. It’s likely we will not see these 2 products again ... because they shut this company down.

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    Posted 10 years ago
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    KillerQueen, or any other pros who wish to weigh in,

    As far as ideal (quickest, most effective treatment) bug guy's protocol does not sound good.

    As far as ideal green treatment, wouldn't some combination of dry vapor steam and dust and/or thermal do a quicker job?

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    Thanks Killer. What about cinnamon oil and lemongrass oil. Those are in Rest Easy by RMB and they claim that it will kill 90% of the bugs on contact (yes, but so will a shoe or rolled up newspaper!) and the rest within 30 minutes (but I think this means the ones they hit on contact but that managed to crawl away). It also claims "Rest Easy provides a repellency effect for as long as the vapors from treatment continue to give off a cinnamon scent (up to one week)". Do you think this would be good to use in a hotel room when you aren't sure if there are bed bugs or not?
    Thanks for your input!

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    MyWorstFear - 18 hours ago  » 
    Do you think this would be good to use in a hotel room when you aren't sure if there are bed bugs or not?

    I am not KillerQueen, but I would not use a product claiming to be a contact killer alone, in a situation where I did not know there were bed bugs. Contact killers are for shooting bed bugs between their little, beady eyes.

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    Nobugsonme - 20 hours ago  » 
    KillerQueen, or any other pros who wish to weigh in,
    As far as ideal (quickest, most effective treatment) bug guy's protocol does not sound good.
    As far as ideal green treatment, wouldn't some combination of dry vapor steam and dust and/or thermal do a quicker job?

    Yes steam, vacuum, and thermal would fall into the lines of green.
    MyWorstFear, im not sure I would trust those items in a hotel room. I have not done any research on the product you mention. Sorry

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    Well your hotel room would sure smell nice between the cinnaman, rosemary and peppermint oils!!!

    beats the heck out of the Bedlam smell

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    MyWorstFear--

    I want to make sure no one else is confusing the spray you mention with another product called "Rest Easy" and made by J.F. Eaton and marketed for people to use on luggage. That one contains permethrins.

    (JF Eaton's Rest Easy MSDS: click here and PDF will load.)

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    Many PCO use Eco Exempt D and Mother Earth D for bed bugs with great success.
    I'm a PCO and I have been using Drione for dusting with good results on small infestations.
    As far as dusts are concerned Tempo and Delta get great reviews for their laboratory performance even for the NY-1 strain of BB as well as CIN-1 strain which are pyrethroid resistant.
    EVERYONE on this forum needs to remember; very often it is not what product you use but HOW you use it. I have done BB treatments where residents or previous PCO applied dust in a fashion that had no way of succeeding ... way too much. Check out this link for a great article on that subject
    http://www.mypmp-digital.com/pmpdigital/200905/?pg=32#pg24


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