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  1. bitandbummed

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    I have recently been suffering from the nightmare that is bedbugs, and I found this company, Alliance, that uses something called "ThermaPureHeat" to treat these pests. Has anyone tried this or know anything about it? I was going to send an email for pricing and what not, but wanted to check if anyone had some advice. Here's what it says about bedbugs on their site:

    Kill Dust Mites and Bed Bugs with ThermaPureHeat®
    Dust mites and bed bugs are most commonly found in almost all textiles including mattresses, pillows, and quilts. They are common household scavengers that feed off of nutrients found in household dust, human skin cells, and pet dander. The ThermaPureHeat® process has a unique advantage in handling dust mites and their related allergens. The process raising the core temperature of the structure to the necessary 140°F. The heat process is accompanied by HEPA vacuuming and air scrubbers which will remove any airborne and dust residing allergens.

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    I met a manager of that company at a bedbug convention. I was impressed. He said they regularly do treatments in nursing homes and other places where many people have compromised immune systems from chemotherapy and cannot be exposed to pesticides. There are some excellent articles on the web about how their treatment works and if you do some searching, even in the old posts here, you can learn about this (expensive) treatment.

    From what I learned, they originally used this method in industries where insects cause a great loss of money, and then they adapted it to kill bedbugs. So they already had the experience and equipment, and they just had to experiment with how long and how hot the treatments had to be to kill bedbugs and eradicate them completely. This treatment kills bedbug eggs! I know from using a hot dryer how effective heat treatment can be. ThermaPure and techniques like it are like putting your entire house in a hot dryer.

    It will not work effectively if you are only treating one apartment in a whole building, since the bedbugs can come back in from other units, though you apparently can treat one unit with ThermaPure and at the same time treat the other units with conventional pesticides.

    The one thing I am concerned with is that they either remove or cover electronics with some kind of thermal blanketing so they don't get heated to 140 degrees and get destroyed. What happens if the bedbugs or bedbug eggs are inside the electronic equipment? You either destroy the electronic equipment with heat, or you don't kill bedbugs. I would make sure the operator you use has enough experience with using ThermaPure for bedbugs so he would know things like this. A member on a bedbug board had a harborage for bedbugs in his tv remote control clicker. Unless you know bedbugs, you don't know where they can hide, and if you don't heat everything high enough and long enough, you will still have bedbugs.

    If you do go with ThermaPure, let us know your experiences. I heard it is expensive and not approved in all states. Maybe that's why people here don't seem to use it.

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    Hi,

    I just wanted to add that it is a valid method for the eradication of Bed Bugs although it is not something that I have ever tried myself.

    Unfortunately the web site text does need a lot of updating to differentiate between Bed Bugs and dust mites / allergen issues.

    As with all professional services ask for references and check them out before you sign up for treatment.

    I know there are others on the boards who have more practical experience of these methods than I do and I am sure they will be along shortly.

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    I just had thermal treatment about a month ago. If you search the forums for either "thermal" or "heat" as keywords, you should find my very long post detailing my recent experience with the issue.

    Since I live in southern California, PC companies here have been using thermal for a while to treat drywood termites, so I had a lot of faith in the experience of the company with thermal treatment, even if I was less sure about their experience with BB. (We'd also used to for Argentine ants in the past on our property. IF you're in the area and you want their name, feel free to PM me.

    Parakeets's point about damage should be taken seriously. Despite a pre treatment visit walkthrough with a thermal guy to tell me what needed to be removed, there was more damage to the items in the apartment than I expected, and it wasn't to the items I expected; nothing electronic was damaged (weirdly, except for a 10+ year old microwave). However, I wanted a treatment that minimized chemical pesticides and that would kill eggs, and given the amount of stuff in my apartment, the PCOs all said that I couldn't prep the apartment in time otherwise, and speed was of the essence for me because I was afraid the bugs would spread to neighbors. The prep time is less than with chemical alone, but the treatment is a lot more expensive than chemical alone. So far, I also have not required a return visit, and I had both chemical and thermal at the same time.

    While I completely agree with parakeets about the potential for it not to work in multi-unit buildings, my "house" is an apartment in a four-plex. My apartment was the only one treated, and after a month, no one else in the unit is showing signs of BB. (We were sure to inspect the other units before and after treatment, however, so we were pretty sure before we treated that they were only in my place.) I was *terrified* that they would spread to other apartments, and I asked the PCO about this multiple times. I cannot explain why they didn't, even though I was afraid they were going to. Maybe we just got lucky; maybe the infestation wasn't that bad; maybe it was the construction in this particular building.

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    I'm a ThermaPure licensee and such I am biased so keep that in mind.

    Short answer: This process does work and it does work very well.
    To date we have treated single family homes, apartments, condos, townhomes, cars and peoples belongings. Out of these treatments we have had to do two retreatments, both of which were early on and solved the problems. We have caused what I would call significant damages in two jobs as well, both early on as well.

    Electronics: Our protocol is to leave the electronics inside the structure for the beginning of the treatment and then remove them after they have reached temperatures. Actually, we encourage people to leave as much as possible inside the structure. The exeptions are: wax, lipsticks, vinyls, plants, pictures, fruits and vegetables etc. If we aren't comfortable with a particular item, we will remove it. By reducing the amount of belongings removed, we decrease the likely hood of a hitch hiker being reintroduced to the structure.

    Multi unit dwellings: I have treated many, many apartment/condo units. Our normal protocol is to have the tenant/homeowner seal all wall penetrations BEFORE treatment. This prevents insects from a neighboring unit from re-infesting.
    Here is a quote from Michael Potter at the recent bed bug conference in San Francisco when asked if heat could push bed bugs into a neighboring unit: "I don't think bed bug movement is much of an issue anymore." He went on to elaborate that the only time this MAY be a problem is when the infestation exists inside the wall cavity or under the base boards. Rich Cooper concurred with this and went on to add that "I've been saying for four years that "Thermal Treatment" is the wave of the future. There are still kinks to be worked out but it is still the most promising new technology." I directly asked him if he thought it was possible to successfully control bed bugs in a single apartment by using heat alone and he agreed that it was. Honestly, after what was said at this conference, Thermal is looking better and better. Some of the numbers on pesticide resitance were down right frightening.

    With regards to the pricing:
    Yes, our treatments are usually more expensive than traditional treatments. Having said that, our prices compared to a skilled bed bug specialist are not that much different. Now, keep in mind that all of your upholstered furniture, mattress, boxspring, books, stuffed toys etc can be treated and do not need to be discarded. How much would this save you? The savings on LAUNDRY alone in some cases can pay for the difference in treatment cost.

    There are practical limitations to the structures we can successfully treat, but we offer many people a single treatment alternative that does not require the application of pesticides.

    Tony - stepping off the soap box now

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    Tony,

    I have to say, all things considered, I was *very* pleased with the thermal treatment. Yes, it was more expensive than chemical, but I got a much longer guarantee for retreatment if needed, and so far (5 weeks today) post-treatment, I have not seen any sign of bug activity. Given the opportunity to kill off the bugs in the clothes and linens in my bedroom without having to sort through that stuff when it was still infested, and given how much less prep I had to do before treatment, I don't think it's an unreasonable cost. I only pointed the cost out because I was in a financial situation to avoid that steep a price, whereas I know a lot of people aren't. I'm also in general a proponent of IPM (clearly, many people would argue that I've lived in California too long) because I've seen in other contexts how well it can work.

    I'm not suggesting that everyone should choose thermal treatment, but I do think it's important to have different treatment options for BB. I wish that the PCOs had mentioned that furniture and the microwave (which still strikes me as some bizzaro anomaly that must be related to the age of the microwave) damage was possible so that I wouldn't come home to that damage and have been surprised by it. Oh, and the surge protectors. TWo very old ones gave up the ghost. But I wish that mostly because if it turns out they got the bugs all in one go, which looks more and more likely by the day, well, I think thermal is a great technology that bears further investigation. However, if some PCOS don't warn consumers about all the possible "damage," other consumers might get upset by it. Personally, having some strips of wood peel off IKEA's finest (which isn't anything expensive) and having to replace an old microwave are a small price to pay for being bug free and minimizing the amount of chemical pesticide in my apartment. I'm positively thrilled with the outcome.

    I don't understand why thermal doesn't send them scurrying to other apartments. But I'm glad they didn't, and my fears about it were tied up in specifics of my living situation which probably don't apply to other folks.

    Hope the conference is going well.

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    The reason they don't flee to other units makes sense when you think about it.
    Many infestations occur in an insular object like a mattress, box spring, couch etc. When confronted with the heat they move away from it and burrow *further* into the object. By the time the heat reaches them and they try to leave the object, it's too late.
    Tony

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    You know, when you explain it like that, it makes perfect sense.

    Like I said, I had three PCOs on site for treatment day. Chemical guy knew about BB, but he didn't do the thermal treatment. The two thermal guys knew a lot about thermal, but not much about BB. (Like I said, So Cal has been using thermal for termites for a lot longer than I think most places have had thermal at all).

    That bit was the missing piece of info that neither one had.

    It's probably slightly wrong that the mental image of a bed bug running away from the heat, only to find itself trapped and cooking to death fills me with such glee, right?

    ;-}

    If you don't mind one more question--do you know why NYC prohibits thermal treatment? (And, okay, two more) And if there are other places that also disallow it?

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    Thermal treatment is not "disallowed" in any jurisdiction. It is only the fuel type and where that fuel is located that is the problem. There are plenty of other solutions. They just aren't as common and they are usually more expensive than other types of heaters.

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    These are the Thermapure service providers listed on the ThermaPure website:
    http://www.thermapure.com/providers_pest.php

    The coverage is not widespread if this is an accurate list.

    (Yes, if someone associated with the company posted this, it would be a problem. As this site's admin, I want to post it so we can access it again.)

    I started and run the site but am "not an expert."
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    Nobugs is right the service is not widespread. ThermaPure is working on this, but it takes your local businesses stepping up, buying a license and feeling they can generate an acceptable return on investment.

    BTW, I have no affiliation with ThermaPure corporate, I am merely a licensee.
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    Tony, I think being a licensee is enough of an affiliation that people need to declare their interest (as you did).

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    I had My entire So. cal house thermal treated as reccommended, by Allience. The investation seemed to be isolated in my bedroom which was treated to 163 degrees of heat. The rest of the house endured 145 degrees. My Husband recently was in NY for the yankees game and upon return, as his his habit, promptly place his suitcase on my bed. Six weeks later "bedbugs" in my matress and headbord (solid Oak with lots of cabinets and drawers") were discovered. I was getting a lot of bites prior to actually discovering them just before dawn. I saved them for identfication and was totally shocked as I thought BB's were eradicated from the US.

    Two weeks after the thermal treatment, I found an adult in my bed and one in the crevice of the oak funiture along with signs of a nest(s) promtly sprayed. The room is quartined at this point until this very busy company can retreat. Yes I did all the required hot wash and dryer thing, but back they came. I think a few eggs survived insulated deep in the oak or eggs were transported back on items I had removed. I had them hazmat and remove my bedding and mattresses, but didn't think about the Oak funiture. It's also gone after I have the next treatment. All my electronic equipment survived the heat, including the printers. I removed the ink prior to treatment. I also removed all hard drives and DVD and Cd's, none of which were in my bedroom. I washed everything stored in the oak funiture and returned them after treatment.

    This blog has been helpful in knowing I'm not alone and for all the tips on what others have done. Basically I've done all and continue to do the right things to keep these critters contained as best I can.

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    does anyone know if this service is available in the Boston MA area?

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    BakedBedBugs - 1 month ago  » 
    Multi unit dwellings: I have treated many, many apartment/condo units. Our normal protocol is to have the tenant/homeowner seal all wall penetrations BEFORE treatment. This prevents insects from a neighboring unit from re-infesting.
    Here is a quote from Michael Potter at the recent bed bug conference in San Francisco when asked if heat could push bed bugs into a neighboring unit: "I don't think bed bug movement is much of an issue anymore." He went on to elaborate that the only time this MAY be a problem is when the infestation exists inside the wall cavity or under the base boards. Rich Cooper concurred with this and went on to add that "I've been saying for four years that "Thermal Treatment" is the wave of the future. There are still kinks to be worked out but it is still the most promising new technology." I directly asked him if he thought it was possible to successfully control bed bugs in a single apartment by using heat alone and he agreed that it was. Honestly, after what was said at this conference, Thermal is looking better and better. Some of the numbers on pesticide resitance were down right frightening.
    With regards to the pricing:

    I have a question....I live in townhouse and we NOW (meaning after the final treatment) know that my BB's came from the neighbors...my PCO has done 3 treatments and so far it's much much better than before, however we do not know how the neighbors have been treating them (I suspect a bug bomb due to the high rapid level of infestation that we had in our bedroom). PCO suggest that if we were to do thermal that we include the neighbors so see if they are willing to also be treated at the same time because if only our home is treated with in hours couldn't they just be back? We know they came from there once what is to stop them from coming again and again....we have yet to discuss this whole BB issue with the neighbors and obviously they didn't bother to let us know about it either!

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    Does anyone know of someone in the Los Angeles, CA area who does this service? We need to get rid of some bed bugs!!!

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    The Thermapure website has a form that lists providers in your area. You can check for providers by providing your address info on their form.

    There is also a competitor to Thermapure called Temp-Air; however they don't list providers on their website.

    While I'm a big fan of thermal, I have heard about two reports on the boards here of people who describe paying for thermal and getting a treatment that I don't think was really thermal, so do your homework before hiring a PMP of any sort.

    In particular, make sure to ask about how long the treatment is going to take, what temperatures they take every part of the structure up to, and how they monitor the temperature during treatment.

    As a point of reference, they arrived at my home around 8 am and didn't finish treating my one bedroom apartment until about 4 or 5 pm that day. They will be running ducts from large heaters to your residence and throughout your residence. They may use additional small heaters inside the structure to make sure that everything heats evenly. They must have PMPs on site throughout the treatment who are monitoring the temperatures constantly.

    And, like with any bed bug treatment, get a firm answer on exactly what kinds of proof are required for retreatment in the case of a failure during the warranty period.

    You also want to confirm that it's really bed bugs. The best treatments in the world won't solve your problem if you're treating for bed bugs and actually have carpet beetles.

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    I had Thermapure treat my apartment in Fort Lauderdale. They only offered a month warranty, but reassured me it'd work....NOT!!!
    I still have bites, they are still here, and now I can't even get the company who by the way had TERRIBLE costumer service to retur my calls!

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    bughater2010 - 22 minutes ago  » 
    I had Thermapure treat my apartment in Fort Lauderdale. They only offered a month warranty, but reassured me it'd work....NOT!!!
    I still have bites, they are still here, and now I can't even get the company who by the way had TERRIBLE costumer service to retur my calls!

    bughater,

    My understanding is that Thermapure licenses a technology but the service is done by an independent pest control firm. It sounds like your complaint is with the PCO you dealt with.

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    As an apartment dweller, this sounds kinda' cool. What kind of prep is required for heat treatment (other than removing aerosols/ perfumes I assume)?

    And also as an apartment dweller, I don't see any areas to seal up for them to crawl into other places. I see white apartment walls, that stupid popcorn cieling, and the a/c vent. How would I go about sealing things? What should I be looking for?

    To be honest, I've been seriously considering heat for absolute piece of mind, although I haven't seen bugs in weeks. I just am thinking I want to be sure before I move to a new place. That way I don't have to worry about taking them to the new place and potentially embarrassing myself with the new manager.

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    cacutie,

    You'd have to remove anything which could melt in the heat.

    It can be a good option but you need to be pretty sure your neighbors are not sending bed bugs to you, or that you do not have a continual source of reinfestation besides that.

    Rather than treat the current apt., if I were moving, I would seek out a firm which treats a moving truck or pod with Vikane gas (or another gas) or heat (which is less common but seems to be gaining popularity). That prevents your moving bed bugs and is cheaper than treating the home. And more reliable, in case neighbors with bed bugs are an issue where you are now.

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    To cacutie,

    A word of warning for apartment dwellers. You had better get written approval from the apartment owner before you hire a heat treatment company. High heat can melt vinyl windows, damage cable and phone lines in the wall and in the worst case scenario they burn down the apartment, you don't want to be responsible. Heating a building to 140F or more presents a lot of perils and their are plenty of documented cases of damage and worse.

    Make sure the heat treatment company has their insurance information confirmed by the apartment owners. Get it all in writing.

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    Rich Cooper concurred with this and went on to add that "I've been saying for four years that "Thermal Treatment" is the wave of the future.
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    And this is why at face value it's so disturbing that a single company is ostensibly holding a patent on a technology that should be allowed to expand into a competitive marketplace.

    Same with the copyright issues previous discussed where Thermapure apparently has copyrighted certain common phrases in the English language such as "Kill Bed Bugs with Heat".

    Now I'm not a copyright attorney but from what I do know about copyright law, I don't think a copyright on such common phrases will hold up to a court test. . That said, you can receive a copyright on such phrases like Thermapure has (in fact you can obtain a copyright on just about any phrase) but just because you get the copyright does not mean they will hold up in court.

    The problem is that a larger company (like Thermapure) can use these questionable copyrights to file law suit after law suit against smaller companies who simply cannot afford to defend themself in what can be very expensive proceedings.

    This does not bode well for thermal treatment becoming more available and more affordable in the future, as smaller companies have not only to contend with the normal start up costs of doing business but apparently also will have to deal with law suits.

    Richard

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    Hi Richard,

    The patent that teaches how to kill insects with heat has been well researched and is a viable method so long as you are careful. I would stay away from direct fired propane for obvious reasons but the treatment works. Best of all the patent is in the public domain and may be used by any one. The subsequent patent that is held by David Hedman and Thermapure is really the same expired Forbes patent with the addition of filtration. You will see in Thermapure's postings and website that they claim filtration is a must. Of course filtration is a meaningless step and adds nothing to the process. They say this to get people in their patent fly trap along with their slip and fall attorneys.

    So long as you do not use filtration and follow the Forbes patent you are not treading on any of the Hedman patents.

    There is a bed bug epidemic out there to quote David Hedman and best of all the heat treatment process is available for any one brave enough to use it. Consult an attorney and read the Forbes patent and you might want to note on all contracts that no filtration of any kind was used.

    I would purchase electric heaters from any one of dozens of companies and ignore the bullying of Hedman, Elias and the rest of the Thermapure bullies. Remember no filters!

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    Nobugsonme - 21 hours ago  » 
    cacutie,
    You'd have to remove anything which could melt in the heat.
    It can be a good option but you need to be pretty sure your neighbors are not sending bed bugs to you, or that you do not have a continual source of reinfestation besides that.
    Rather than treat the current apt., if I were moving, I would seek out a firm which treats a moving truck or pod with Vikane gas (or another gas) or heat (which is less common but seems to be gaining popularity). That prevents your moving bed bugs and is cheaper than treating the home. And more reliable, in case neighbors with bed bugs are an issue where you are now.

    I've read a few of your posts advocating Vikane. Is this common that they do this to moving trucks or just sort of wishful thinking? I do live in Los Angeles, but I'd have no idea where to start looking for a moving company that would gas a truck. Should I just google vikane moving truck and hope all my results aren't links to this forum?

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    cacutie - 8 hours ago  » 
    I've read a few of your posts advocating Vikane. Is this common that they do this to moving trucks or just sort of wishful thinking? I do live in Los Angeles, but I'd have no idea where to start looking for a moving company that would gas a truck. Should I just google vikane moving truck and hope all my results aren't links to this forum?

    Vikane (sulfuryl fluoride) fumigation is not available everywhere, but in many parts of the US, it is being used in this way. Maybe someone in Cali can chime in on the situation there.

    Bed Bugs and Beyond is a firm that has been arranging container fumigation in many parts of the country, but I can't speak to California.

    Heat is also being used on trucks, just not nearly as much, yet. You could contact ThermaPure or Temp-Air licensees in California and ask them if they do this. They may be willing to treat a rental truck. (You could contact Insect Inferno and ask if they can name any PCOs who have one of their heat trailers... see if they will tell you.)

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    labugman,

    The article you posted above was deleted, because you posted it to three different threads. Please do NOT post entire articles (an excerpt and a link is better), and please do NOT cross post to multiple conversations.

    It is not reasonable to think that you can keep the same conversation going in three threads. I suggest you pick one and stick to it. Note: this thread is not really appropriate; a user is trying to get advice on a particular question.

    I know you're worried people will not see your other posts, but your best bet is if you find a new thread where you want to share your thoughts, add a link there to the URL of the one thread you're discussing this.

    This is much less annoying for other users. People do not want to open up multiple threads to find identical or nearly-identical conversations and posts.

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    Vikane is common in SoCal. The houses tented for termites are being treated with it.

    I used Lloyds in San Diego and on their lot is a chamber they Vikane stuff. Don't know if they do separate trucks but is worth asking.

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    Thanks, Jim!

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    Labugman my user ID should indicate that I have what some might call a chip on my shoulder but I think what you're doing is counterproductive to what this site is about. You've gone beyond merely sharing information and moved into what we call fear mongering. I think you have some well founded complaints about thermapure. I myself have just experienced what seems to be a failed treatment since my back is covered in welts this morning but this constant cry about burning homes down based on one incidence is getting a little tiresome. Most heat treatments are done with electric heaters. I do think ti's a good thing that you are exposing unsavory business practices but most of what you are griping about is actually between thermapure and their vendors or their competition. It's not helpful to a person seeking to treat their home. The vendors are independent and the level of service is dependent on the provider not the parent company. The Thermapure lawsuit is an unfortunate blow to the advent of new heat technology and it's contrary to the best interest of the public I agree but people who have bed bugs have enough to concern themselves with and you're not offering them anything helpful

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    The Thermapure lawsuit is an unfortunate blow to the advent of new heat technology and it's contrary to the best interest of the public I agree but people who have bed bugs have enough to concern themselves with and you're not offering them anything helpful
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    As you seem to agree that the Thermapure lawsuit is against the best interests of the public, then I think LaBugman's is offering something helpful here, because the more public scrutiny these types of law suits get, the better for all of us. I for one, am glad this was brought to my attention, because it fills in some of the blanks I had as a consumer when shopping around for heat treatment services. I do agree, however, that the posts have been overly repetitive in nature and thankfully our moderator "Nobugsforme" has intervened more than once to keep things more balanced.

    Richard

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    This may be a duplicate. I tried this post before but it didn't seem to work. Trying again:

    And this is why at face value it's so disturbing that a single company is ostensibly holding a patent on a technology that should be allowed to expand into a competitive marketplace.

    I have found 2 different thermal treatments which PCO's in my area use: Thermapure
    Temp-air

    I don't know how the technologies differ or whether the pros/cons are the same. A PCO came out to inspect with a dog and said they could do either heat or chemical. I found that they have been using temp-air for one year. They would not warranty in our case (we have too much stuff) and receptionist said they don't insure against damage. They said there has been no damage, but we are concerned about potential damage to old wiring in a 90 yr old house, as well as other damage we've read about on this forum. PCO won't give us references "for privacy reasons". This troubles us.

    PCO's dog sniffed only 3 locations: LR sleep sofa (where our visiting son slept several weeks ago; he's now treating for BBs too), one side of doublebed in Master BR, one bed in another BR, but PCO doubled their price estimate when they saw our 4BR 1800 sq ft house has an open LR/DR/Foyer so they would "need more heaters". They said they would treat only 2BRs out of 4 and then the first floor.

    Dog didn't go to attic, basement or 2 cars. Do we need to treat the attic, basement, or cars? If not, could bugs spread to the 2 untreated BRs, or attic/basement? And how to treat cars?

    This is all somewhat overwhelming but the good news is: we check daily and so far no new bites since we cleaned and encased our bed. (We are empty nesters so the 3 other BRs are currently not used except for occasional guests. Unfortunately I store pillows and blankets for the LR sleep sofa in one spare BR so I think that's how they got up there).

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    Well it's official my Thermapure heat treatment was a total failure in fact the problem has worsened since the treatment. I believe that the heat wasn't sufficient in the wall voids. Before I publish the name of the provider I am giving them a chance to try to rectify the problem. I am not optimistic. An apartment is a relatively easy heat job but a home like this with a concrete slab floor and a concrete slab between the adjoining unit sucks an awful lot of heat. The rpoblem is that exterminators in general just want your money. Even if heat can work in theory you have to have it applied expertly but a provider who really cares and most of them just bought the stuff so they can charge much more money for a job. We'll probably have to vacate the home for two years or more. We have been trying to clear the place for almost two years without success. Please check my posts in the next two weeks for more details.


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