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  1. EffeCi

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    Today I had a meeting with Polti, the italian firm that produces the dry steam gun I used in last two years to exterminate BBs... I'm actually their "stress-tester" for new steam machines models (nobody uses so often a stean machine as a BBs exterminator does) and they told me they're soon starting to import and sell their products in USA...
    Just to make all you know, because I'm not financially involved in that....

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    Steam GUN? Effeci, how big/heavy is this thing? I'm interested in hearing more about this, since there are certain items that my husband doesn't want/let me put in my Packtite, and if I could zap those items with a good steamer, I'd be very happy and those items would look nicely "ironed" after a trip. Any idea what the price point would be?
    Thanks so much!

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    I just picked up this monster (link Below) steam machine. It's not for general or basic consumer use ... but for the pro's, this thing is a beast.

    http://www.dupray.ca/steam-cleaning-equipment/hill-injection-steam-cleaner/

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    KQ, that does look quite monstrous...in a very good way!

    EffeCi, does Polti plan to sell its products in Asia? Any idea at all? Thx.

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    KillerQueen - 19 hours ago  » 
    I just picked up this monster (link Below) steam machine. It's not for general or basic consumer use ... but for the pro's, this thing is a beast.
    http://www.dupray.ca/steam-cleaning-equipment/hill-injection-steam-cleaner/

    So I guess Mrs KillerQueen won't be using that steamer to press your pants or shirts! Be sure to keep it away from the Milanos, or it might blast them all the way to Milan, Italy!

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    Steam GUN? Effeci, how big/heavy is this thing? I'm interested in hearing more about this, since there are certain items that my husband doesn't want/let me put in my Packtite, and if I could zap those items with a good steamer, I'd be very happy and those items would look nicely "ironed" after a trip. Any idea what the price point would be?

    Well... here's a video I made about it:
    http://www.naden.de/blog/bbvideo-bbpress-video-plugin -->

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    and here's another one a friend of mine made (in wich I am a sort of "special guest" XD)
    http://www.naden.de/blog/bbvideo-bbpress-video-plugin -->
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    The price in Italy (steam machine + steam gun) is actually around 600-1000 € (It depends from steam machine's model)

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    NoBB - 1 day ago  » 
    KQ, that does look quite monstrous...in a very good way!
    EffeCi, does Polti plan to sell its products in Asia? Any idea at all? Thx.

    Sincerely, I don't know... You should contact their trading offices and ask that..

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    Be sure to keep it away from the Milanos, or it might blast them all the way to Milan, Italy!

    Let him do that... I live in Milano and I'm ready to rescue them...XD

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    @Myworstfear

    Be sure to keep it away from the Milanos, or it might blast them all the way to Milan, Italy!

    Let him do that... I live in Milano and I'm ready to rescue them...XD

    But they'd be all melted! Great video and I just love the painting of the big yellow bedbug on the steamer!

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    I guess that the "big yellow bedbug on the steamer" is a frog (my friend 's firm name is "frogservice")...

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    I'm really interested in this strategy as a way to treat bed bugs. Assuming that it is as effective it just seems *so* much preferable to laying down chemicals all over the place. Do you see any downside to treating with steam vs treating with chemicals? Do you ever run into cases that you can't handle with just steam?

    Thanks.

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    From my experience steam is great but you almost have to get a "direct hit" on the bugs or eggs and there is no residual so in a heavier infestation you really need to use a chemical residual as well. It's a great contact killer though and can really help "clean things up" in a hurry. Once you have put down the chemicals I'm not sure it is safe to steam those areas.

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    Do you see any downside to treating with steam vs treating with chemicals? Do you ever run into cases that you can't handle with just steam?

    No & no.

    I abandoned the "chemical path" more than three years ago, and in last two I treated all my cases exclusively with superheated dry steam. Not a magic wand, but works well...

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    bbgirl - 1 hour ago  » 
    From my experience steam is great but you almost have to get a "direct hit" on the bugs or eggs and there is no residual so in a heavier infestation you really need to use a chemical residual as well. It's a great contact killer though and can really help "clean things up" in a hurry. Once you have put down the chemicals I'm not sure it is safe to steam those areas.

    My experience is actually based on several hundreds cases, and I disagree...
    But remember I use a new device that works at 180°C and produces a "soft" flush of steam, as you can see in the videos.

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    Effeci: It is wonderful that you are able to work so effectively with steam. The chemicals are awful but I did spend many many hours with my dry vapor steamer and some pieces of furniture still were infested. I went very slowly and thoroughly but it seems as though some eggs must have been missed. I know that you treat some very heavy infestations........what if they are hidden in cracks or the walls? The video is really great.....but what if for example in the upholstered chair they had found their way under the dust cover....wouldn't they just come back? The steamer that I bought is actually made in Italy and was about $1,800 and produces very hot dry vapor steam. It looks just like a ladybug - I would be surprised if it isn't a variation of that brand. I went even more slowly around the room surfaces then you do in the video. What do you think I did wrong? Of course it's possible that they keep coming from the neighbours

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    Any idea on how soon, or how much it may cost?

    Also, do you think this may become a viable option for almost anyone to do themselves? To be honest, if I had something like this available to me, my stress would go down about 80% over BB. My main concern is the chemicals (with 2 young kids) that would have to be used if I get them.

    It looks time-intensive, but I'll take that any day over the pesticides.

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    If KQ of New York is into "Milano" cookies, is FC of Milano into "New York" cookies?

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    EffeCi - 7 hours ago  » 
    I guess that the "big yellow bedbug on the steamer" is a frog (my friend 's firm name is "frogservice")...

    Everything looks like a bed bug to me...apologies to your friend's logo! Good thing I'm not a PCO, lol!

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    The steamer that I bought is actually made in Italy and was about $1,800 and produces very hot dry vapor steam. It looks just like a ladybug - I would be surprised if it isn't a variation of that brand.

    I guess it's not. Superheated Dry Steam is a Polti international brevect.
    The SDS gun is simply an attachment for some Polti's models of wet steamers. It turns wet steam (100°C) into SDS (180°C).
    180°C is the temperature at the nozzle, but my operating distance is about 2", so I guess is still over 150°C... the hell for BBs.
    The SDS flush can go deep more than one inch in upholstering, and kills easily BBs (and their eggs) even if hidden in folds of thick fabrics.

    I went very slowly and thoroughly but it seems as though some eggs must have been missed.

    I don't go that slow, my operating speed is about 4"/sec but, again, it's a different tool and a different kind of steam...

    What do you think I did wrong? Of course it's possible that they keep coming from the neighbours

    Can't say... I don't know how heavy was your case and what was its pattern...
    And, yes, maybe it was a contact infestation..

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    Any idea on how soon, or how much it may cost?

    No, actually not. but I suggested Polti to contact this site when news will be available...

    Also, do you think this may become a viable option for almost anyone to do themselves?

    As I said, it's a powerful tool, but experience and training make obviously the difference,,,

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    i want one. i don't plan on self-treating any time soon, but i would love a tool like that for decontaminating luggage and things i can't fit into a packtite.

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    they're great for cleaning....just getting ready to steam all of my bathrooms and kitchen - leaves everything gleaming without detergent & completely disinfected.

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    http://www.allbrands.com/products/abp12355-2356.html Is this a similar model...one that the SDS 'gun' can be attached to? It looks available in the US currently...

    Steam seems an attractive idea for cleaning, and for BBs. Something to research, for sure.
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    No protective gear is worn when using that kind of equipment? That's over 300 degrees F--what if someone dropped it and it got pointed right at them?

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    You do have to be careful - even the hose and handle get very hot but most steamers come with a trigger on the handle so if you dropped it the steam would stop coming out. You just have to use common sense....if you are changing the attachments for example you should turn the steam off to do that.

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    one that the SDS 'gun' can be attached to? It looks available in the US currently...

    Yeah, it's a model similar to the one I'm actually using. But it cost a lot more than in Italy....

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    Do you do multiple treatments I have been doing something very similar for a while now and think I have just about cracked it I have cleared around 20 rooms over the last 6 months using just steam but that's with 3 visits. still room for improvement but I much prefer the steam method to my usual pesticide treatment. I'm still doing the pesticide jobs as to most of my clients the cost is the most important factor and it's much quicker and therefore cheaper.

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    bedbugman - 11 hours ago  » 
    Do you do multiple treatments I have been doing something very similar for a while now and think I have just about cracked it I have cleared around 20 rooms over the last 6 months using just steam but that's with 3 visits. still room for improvement but I much prefer the steam method to my usual pesticide treatment. I'm still doing the pesticide jobs as to most of my clients the cost is the most important factor and it's much quicker and therefore cheaper.

    A couple of questions if I may. What kind of steamer do you use? On average how long do you spend on an average sized bedroom with average furnishings to do an entire treatment with steam?

    Thanks.

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    Polti vaperetto, err usually around an hour ish...depends on the amount of stuff in the room.

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    Couple of questions:

    1. I read a review on amazon that stated to be careful of buying polti steamers in the US without verifying that there is a way to purchase supplies since it was taking 4 weeks to obtain supplies (not sure what the supplies would be).

    2. I didn't watch the video yet, so probably shouldn't ask...but how do you do baseboards with a steamer? Do you aim it down? I've heard of people running a hair dryer with a playing card (on this site) to see if there is an issue with the baseboards.

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    Remember that the steam disinfector EffeCi uses is a separate item from the Polti steamer.

    And also remember -- for those of us who don't have this magic steam gun -- that the method EffeCi's using in the video is different that the one recommended for "normal" dry vapor steamers. Instructions I've read for normal dry vapor steamers suggest you need to go more slowly than EffeCi (which makes sense, since his tool is, as he notes, 80% hotter and gives off steam in a different manner than the typical steamer).

    There are resources about how to steam properly linked from the FAQ on steam.

    Of course, when this steam disinfector wand/gun is available for Polti steamers in the US, we will definitely spread the news.

    I started and run the site but am "not an expert."
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    Steaming is part of a great program but rarely works alone. I just got back two large Hotels. The company they went with used steam only and stated it was more effective than thermal treatment. It was probably cheaper but definitely not more effective. I got the accounts back with about two weeks of thermal treatments. Some of the infestations were terrible. So much for steam only.

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    theyareoutthere - 18 hours ago  » 
    P.S. Please write a 20 page manifesto like David Cain does

    Wait a few weeks and I should have the start of one on this exact subject.

    I can also confir having met EffeCi for a few espressos that the wand is the magic element in this equation.

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    Last video we made with Polti...

    Video Cimex Eradicator

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    Hi EffeCi,

    How is the development going for the espresso attachment?

    We are coffee deprived (or should that be depraved) in London.

    David

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    EffeCi - 6 hours ago  » 
    Last video we made with Polti...
    Video Cimex Eradicator

    Wow. Che una bella donna. (E il resto del video è stata troppo interessante)

    -rs1971

    ps - the above was courtesy of a free online translator so hopefully it made some sense.

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    EffeCi,
    I added the video under your link.

    Note to all: posting the "long link" from YouTube will cause the video to display here. Other video formats should work also. The key is to use the long link and not an embed code or the short link (which is the default link YouTube gives -- you have to click a wee checkbox to get the long link).

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    rs1971 - 2 hours ago  » 
    una bella donna.

    Until I saw the video, I thought rs1971 was waxing poetic and referring to the steam extractor wand in the feminine.

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    Wow. Che una bella donna. (E il resto del video è stata troppo interessante)

    -rs1971

    ps - the above was courtesy of a free online translator so hopefully it made some sense.

    Altough it's a little bit gramatically incorrect, it has perfectly sense...

    The beautiful girl in the video is my assistant (and soon associate) Dr. Alessandra Leone.
    A natural born BBs killer, as Mr. David Cain can confirm...

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    una bella donna.

    Until I saw the video, I thought rs1971 was waxing poetic and referring to the steam extractor wand in the feminine.

    Actually, I think that the wand is pretty sexy too. I'm leaning towards buying one when they become available even though I don't have bed bugs. I'm sure that I can find some kind of use for it and this way I'll be all set if I (or one of my tenants) ever wind up with an infestation.

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    Feel the burn.....

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    I wrote in the wrong post before....

    I want this dry steamer! When is it coming to the US?

    And, how much does it cost, now, in Europe?

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    £360.00 for the gun and. Around £300 for the steamer

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    bedbugman - 1 hour ago  » 
    £360.00 for the gun and. Around £300 for the steamer

    That's actually a bit less than I would have expected. Is the gun the same thing that EffeCi uses or is it something different?

    Thanks.

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    Yes

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    Thanks, bedbugman.

    So, do you need both? They don't work independently?

    I hope they make it affordable here in the US.

    Or, maybe I will ask someone traveling to Europe to bring one to me, when I can spare the money. Sounds like a tool every household of the near future should have.

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    VictoryIsMine - 5 hours ago  » 
    Thanks, bedbugman.
    So, do you need both? They don't work independently?

    My understanding from what EffeCi has said in the past is that the gun is a wand attachment for the steamer.

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    una bella donna.

    Until I saw the video, I thought rs1971 was waxing poetic and referring to the steam extractor wand in the feminine.

    ROTFLMAO!

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    una bella donna.

    Until I saw the video, I thought rs1971 was waxing poetic and referring to the steam extractor wand in the feminine.

    ROTFLMAO!

    It just seems really obvious that something with a steam wand would be male.

    Or is it just me?

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    una bella donna.

    Until I saw the video, I thought rs1971 was waxing poetic and referring to the steam extractor wand in the feminine.

    ROTFLMAO!

    It just seems really obvious that something with a steam wand would be male.
    Or is it just me?

    Nope, anytime a tube shoots white stuff out the end, I pretty much think male.

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    AshamedandScratching - 1 hour ago  » 
    Nope, anytime a tube shoots white stuff out the end, I pretty much think male.

    I have been using one in trials for a while and can assure you its male, I get a lot more cooperation from the females in my life and certainly when they are in my hands.

    In response tot he bring one from the EU to the US you would need to work out how to overcome the voltage differences which would add about another $750 to the total and may result in the item being impounded. The most expensive part of my PackTite's is the converters needed to run them in London.

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