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Please help identify something I found on a BB Alert Passive

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  1. mrwitz

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    Posted 7 years ago
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    Hi, I will keep this short but I was doing my bi-weekly inspection and found a little speck on the edge of a passive I have installed near where I sit at my computer.

    I think this is the cast skin of something, but I can't tell if it is from a psocid or a first instar bedbug. It is near a collection of old records so they would both like to live there, so right now it is up for grabs.

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    Thanks for your help.

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    Posted 7 years ago
    Sat Dec 17 2011 0:45:40
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    I will leave this one for the experts. Hopefully one will be along to advise you.

    I started and run the site but am "not an expert."
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    Posted 7 years ago
    Sat Dec 17 2011 1:34:52
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    Not a bed bug ... nothing to worry about.

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    Posted 7 years ago
    Sat Dec 17 2011 1:39:51
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    Look roachy to you, KQ?

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    Sat Dec 17 2011 7:40:15
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    Inconclusive due to quality of photo provided.

    Can uou send additional photos taken from different angles?

    pb

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    Posted 7 years ago
    Sat Dec 17 2011 12:00:58
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    Hi,

    Its not bedbug related. To me if you excuse the technical detail it looks more like the shards of skin you get that often fall down the sides of beds.

    I am 100% confident that its not bedbug, I just cold not post from my iPhone last night so sorry for the delay.

    A cast skin shed around the passive will almost always remain electrostatically attached to the detection skirt unless a strong gust of wind blows them away. You are also not likely to get a cast skin shed without faecal signs being present first, they tend to be very selective about where they shed, after all it is one of the most vulnerable stages of an insects development.

    Hope that clear it up.

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    Posted 7 years ago
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    Thanks for the input everyone, I really appreciate it. I am certainly glad that the consensus is that this is not bb related.

    Mr. Cain thank you for the explanation about the functionality of the passive. I was actually wondering about the possibity of finding a cast skin but no fecal traces. That does seem to make sense, and it is always good to learn more about detection methods. I have found other little skin like scraps once before, but this looked to suspicious for me to ignore

    Nobugs, thanks for the help, I certainly hope this is not roach related. I am still no sure what this is but after examining the picture for a while it looks like there might be a head on it that is hanging just of the white border of the bb alert. With a head this would look really like a psocid. But if it's that or just a piece of dead skin it is the same for me, so long as it is not one of, well you know, those.

  8. mrwitz

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    Posted 7 years ago
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    I want to first say thank you again to all the fine people who post here. I unfortunately have another ID request though.

    I inspected my dresser today, which is about 3 feet from my bed, and have found some very worring black spots. I have found spots on the drawers of this before, but dismissed them as two scattered and small to be anything. This time though I pulled the drawers all the way out and found a cluster of spots right at on the back corner of the middle drawer.

    This is that spot: Drawer Picture For reference the plastic nub on the side is 1/2" wide.

    Two things I should point out.
    -I did the "Q-Tip + Saliva" smear test and nothing happened as far as I could tell.
    -I took apart the drawer and could find nothing beyond black spots, but perhaps they are living in the clothes I keep in the drawer?

    Any opinions? I didn't want to clutter up the boards with another new thread, so I hope this is an okay way of posting this question.

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    Posted 7 years ago
    Mon Dec 19 2011 1:40:47
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    I'm not 100% sure with every spot. Some I can rule out but others would need closer examination in person. I would be looking for other evidence in that same dresser. Best of luck!

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    Posted 7 years ago
    Mon Dec 19 2011 1:52:06
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    KQ thanks for the late night (or early morning) help! I have been keeping an eye on that dresser for a while, here are two pictures that I took a while back that show what most of the spots I have found look like:

    http://i.imgur.com/IXJ0B.jpg
    http://i.imgur.com/4EA8z.jpg

    I should tell some of the story. I had found these spots about two months ago and they were one of the reasons I called a for a k9 inspection. At that time the dog cleared my apartment and with no reason to believe that I had bedbugs I accepted the result. About a month later my parents spent a night in my place (I exposed them to bb about three months before they came, though they are confident they don't have them) and a week later I began experiences some odd skin reactions. I have been on high alert since then, but this my first find that really suggests the possibility of their presence. So now I can't tell if new spots are appearing or if these are just old ones I missed/wrote off as not bb-related.

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    Posted 7 years ago
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    Same as the other picture. They would need to be viewed in person for the proper response I feel. For what its worth I find evidence 99% of the time in the bed with an active infestation. If not there the Sofa in the living room is the next best place.

    But don't take that lightly, anything is possible so I would continue searching or have a pro come in to help figure out what is going on.

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    Thanks for the reply again KQ. I showed those spots to the people who did my k9 inspection and they said they did not look like fecal to them. They were a small outfit though who only did inspections, so I am not sure if I trust them now (or the efficacy of their inspection at all).

    I will keep looking.

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    Hi,

    I also agree its not farcal, wrong locations (too out in the open) and too small with the wrong shape when you really zoom in.

    David

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    Mon Dec 19 2011 14:38:56
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    I looked at the initial image uploaded. If you look at the strip of fabric to the right of the coin, there is a small insect right below the lower edge of the fabric and sort of touching it, It looks like it could be a first instar bed bug nymph. The non-insect artifact is plastic-like, more to the right and on the fabric. A better shot of the insect would help to make an ID.

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    Posted 7 years ago
    Mon Dec 19 2011 14:57:27
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    loubugs,

    I was wondering about that one, too.

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    Hi Lou, I thought that's what everyone was posting about, was I wrong?

    Regarding the thing to the right of the coin I think that if you look really closely at it, you can see a head on the bug that is on that little orange strip. I think with a head on it it looks a lot like a psocid.

    If it was a first instar it was a dead one because it didn't go anywhere while I was taking pictures and moving things around.

    Great, now I am all kinds of nervous again. I really hope that it isn't a first instar.

    Oh PS, That is the best image I got before I accidentally brushed the passive monitor and knocked whatever that bug thing is away.

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    I was able to download the image and zoom in. It's a booklouse -- can see the hind legs, head, much better now to make a definitive ID.

  18. mrwitz

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    Thank you Mr. Sorkin for confirming that I am not deluding myself into thinking that was not a bedbug. Sorry to make you go through the hassle of staring at my bad picture, but I really appreciate your help.

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    Hi,

    The picture is actually a really good one.

    I went back and checked myself. I must confess I had discounted it the first time around on the screen of my iPhone but when its downloaded to the PC I could see better and was about to update as Pscocids when I saw Lou had beaten me to it.

    I wonder if I am missing a marketing opportunity for booklice detectors?

    Glad to see normal status is resumed.

    David

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    Yes, the picture is actually very clear and I like it. The booklouse, because of its positioning, was difficult to differentiate from the background fabric when initially viewed on a phone and I had a hard time of seeing the head.


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