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  1. mp7ski

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    So, I've been preparing to move and have our stuff fumigation in a moving truck. Payed rent on a new place and the old place for this month so I have time to do so. Have been buying things and moving it into the new place, taking extreme precautions with ourselves when we go there.

    Well today we did just that and my dad stopped by to check the new place out. As we walked through and walked back through I looked down and what do I see, a dead bed bug on the floor... I freaked... where'd it come from? Did it fall off of me? Did it fall off my dad who may have them and not know? Are they in the new place? I don't know what to think. I'm so lost and exhausted. Fu!!

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    I have nothing of real value here.... other than I'd prefer dead over alive. So there's that...

    "When you hear hoofbeats, think horses not zebras" Theodore Woodward

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    Dead is good. You have been treating, so it's possible that the dead bug you saw fell off or out of something, especially if it was in the open on the floor. Dead is good.

    If you suggest your dad has them, maybe suggest monitors in his home as a precaution.

    Not an expert. Any advice I give is information gleaned via anxiety-fueled research of credible sources and expert posts here. Please research all advice before treating and consult a professional.
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    Well, after going to the bar, having a beer and burger I decided the same. Dead is better than alive so I went about my usual business, planning on going forward with my plan thinking it must have fell off my thoroughly dried clothes. But I decided to go back and look thoroughly and sure enough, found a live one in the main bedroom after 30 seconds. The new place has them. Turns out the previous tenants had a dumpster out in front of it a month earlier throwing a lot of stuff out. I called the landlord and told him and I could tell he knew. He gave me my money back and is reimbursing some money for the new stuff we put in it. We haven't moved a single thing of ours out of the old house and I could tell they set off bug bombs not to long ago cause there were dead bugs of all kinds. Also talked to the landlord at my current place and he's letting us stay as long as is needed. Just glad I found out before I spent all that money. I'm out about a thousand in new stuff but it is what it is. The search for another place continues.

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    mp7ski - 3 minutes ago  » 
    Well, after going to the bar, having a beer and burger I decided the same. Dead is better than alive so I went about my usual business, planning on going forward with my plan thinking it must have fell off my thoroughly dried clothes. But I decided to go back and look thoroughly and sure enough, found a live one in the main bedroom after 30 seconds. The new place has them. Turns out the previous tenants had a dumpster out in front of it a month earlier throwing a lot of stuff out. I called the landlord and told him and I could tell he knew. He gave me my money back and is reimbursing some money for the new stuff we put in it. We haven't moved a single thing of ours out of the old house and I could tell they set off bug bombs not to long ago cause there were dead bugs of all kinds. Also talked to the landlord at my current place and he's letting us stay as long as is needed. Just glad I found out before I spent all that money. I'm out about a thousand in new stuff but it is what it is. The search for another place continues.

    Omg. Well, 1- I'm glad you've gone back and had a look prior to moving in. 2- the landlord needs to be smacked. Certain things should be mentioned. 😩 And finally, 3- it sucks you're at square one again, but I do wish you the very best of luck with moving to a new, and hopefully CLEAN AND BUG FREE place!

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    I am so, so, so sorry to hear that! I'm angry just reading it, but I am glad you checked. I can't imagine! Shame on that landlord!

    When you find the next place, I would insist on them disclosing if there have been BB in the past, and when. When I move again (currently with family), I will be asking for sure.

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    Thanks for the kind words guys. I'm looking at the positives. At least I found out before I went through with all of this and spent thousands of dollars treating my own stuff just to get them back from the new place. At least I still have a roof over my head. At least im getting money back from the landlord. And at least it didn't fall off of my dad meaning he had them.

    It sucks cause I'm stuck in a house that has them as well, but under control and I have to try and find another rental and pray to God it don't have bed bugs either.

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    OMFG is right!! I feel for you man. But at least you didn't move in with the bugs. And the land lord was understanding. That could have been nightmare part 2!

    I'm not an expert. Just sharing what I learned from my experience.
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    bedbugsbugme - 1 day ago  » 
    OMFG is right!! I feel for you man. But at least you didn't move in with the bugs. And the land lord was understanding. That could have been nightmare part 2!

    Right, he actually seems like a decent guy but regardless I was not moving into that house. If I had to go to court over it, I would have. Hes actually also my dad's landlord and he likes my dad so that could have played a part.

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    O.M.G. , what the hell?! I cannot believe this has happened to you.

    And you're out a grand and back to square one to boot?

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    Hi,

    Its a lot more common than people would realise.

    Its also the number one reason why the advice is stay and resolve not flee and leave a problem for someone else.

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    Ouch.

    Nobody will make me feel guilty for leaving the bed bugs behind. The landlord was clueless and 2 years of my life was all I had to give to "the cause". I didnt bring them in so too bad.

    Mp7ski, I empathize and truly hope you find a way out of this nightmare.

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    Hi bugged-cdn,

    Sorry if you have read that as guilt'ing, its not. Its a statement of simple short fact.

    I reserve the guilt'ing for those I have known to infest 3 or more properties, moving and leaving the problem behind them each time. The more extreme illustration is something I first tracked in 2004 where some communities in London live in houses where the common link is country of origin. This may be 8 people in a 4 bedroom house. The turn over of these houses is high with residents often moving after 3 - 6 months. When you combine this with the wider communities that develop clustered around social clubs and shops that sell imported produce you can quickly see that the issue can becomes associated with a group of people within a geographic area.

    I have taken great lengths to remove any specific country because this is a universal pattern, it also happens within social groups, sexual identities, music scenes, religious communities and just about any gathering of people, why because people can transport bed bugs and as such more people will always mean a higher risk. We even have one current cluster associated with the staff at one serious of buildings in central London.

    The solution is specific education and communication to those clusters when they occur, to find the community leaders and communication channels to explain this as clearly as possible.

    When it comes to moving from an infested property the reality is its a step that multiplies the issue and often does not resolve it. In a recent phone call I picked an example of a location where we have a known occupational cluster and as it happens the person on the other end of the phone went silent and then confirmed they worked in that very building I had named. Given that London has 10 million people that live here and 40 million that work here the odds of that are rather slim at best.

    Sometimes the world speaks to us through synchronicity.

    I hope that explains.

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    I agree with your main points david. I don't want to move, I would much rather resolve the issue here. Because I do realised how easy it is to move bed bugs with you. However, some people don't have a choice. I'm renting, my lease is up in November when I will be kicked out and the landlord plans on selling the house.

    But again, we've had failed exterminator attempts, failed diy attempts, and the landlord being unwilling to allow a heat treatment due to potential damage to the house. So I don't have a choice, I moving one way or another, ASAP or in november.

    Moving from bed bugs is not impossible. I believe the biggest issue is that people don't get how easy it is to move them with you and what you have to do to give you your best chances of succeeding.

    I know 3 people personally who pulled it off doing less than what I am doing. My cousin had them in Kentucky, in 4 rooms and pretty bad. They used aerosols, bug bombs, and did heat treatment with kerosene heaters without much success. When they moved, they threw out their furniture and any wood, only visually inspecting the rest of their belongings. Yet they moved and went 1.5 years with no further signs before moving back to MI.

    The other was a similar situation except they were confined to 1 room, had a failed exterminator attempt, and failed did heat treatment before moving the same way my cousins did. It's been five years since and they are also bed bug free.

    The third was my psychiatrist who got them from a hotel, had them pretty bad in her bed room and didn't even get treatment. Just threw out her bed and frame, steamed everything she was taking with a rather cheap steamer and moved. She's been bed bug free for 2.5 years.

    I understand it's difficult and not morally right to leave the issue for someone else to deal with. But a lot of us have no other choice.

    I know youre not going to agree with me one way or another, it's how you are, I see it all the time on here. But the fact is, not everyone has access to quality pcos, not everybody has the ability to become their own pco, and not everyone has a choice to stay and fight or move.

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    bugged-cdn - 1 day ago  » 
    O.M.G. , what the hell?! I cannot believe this has happened to you.
    And you're out a grand and back to square one to boot?

    Yup, I'm just thankful I found them before going through with my plan and moving in there, the real nightmare would have been to do all that and then just move into a house that already had them.

    They are really getting out of control in my area. Since I've got them, almost everyone is talking about them. I live in a town of about 3000 people, yet 2 apartment complexes have them, the holiday Inn in the town over has them, the great wolf lodge up north has them, A retirement home has them, and multiple homes that I know of have them. They just keep spreading.

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    Hi mp7ski,

    My statement is not about agreeing with you or not, in fact its not about you at all, its about the risks associated with moving and multiplying the problem. Often by virtue of the cause of the issue not being addressed rather than the accidental transportation of the issue from location a to location b.

    If you think about that last sentence in light of the three examples you gave it might become clearer. Your example who was exposed in the hotel was by nature a single source case. In such scenarios a light non dispersed infestation is not likely to be beyond the bed and as such localized disposal is an expensive but feasible option. In the others moving can disrupt the contact with the source of the issue in the first place and thus disrupt the infestation cycle even in a "local source" infestation dynamic.

    Equally a person can throw the kitchen sink at an issue and still not resolve it because they continue to introduce bed bugs into their lives. When such people move they may continue to introduce that issue to the new location if they are not addressing things completely.

    It is also not about having access to local professionals because that barrier lowered in 2010, was further lowered in 2014 and by 2017 we have examples of self empowered people all over the world.

    My writings are often more about helping those who read and might not post, or who find this information in years to come so that they have a more complete understanding. It should be avoided, yes it can not always be avoided which is why I have been very clear from some of my early posts on the subject the impact can quickly become exponential.

    To me this is less of a moral issue as an ethical one and the social contract we have with each other.

    This is why its not about agreeing with you, I would not have offered the input had I not hoped it would be useful to at least the majority of people who read it.

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    Omg! I'm so sorry this happened to you!!!!! As someone said before I would make the next place disclose the information. So happy you found it before you moved everything though.

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    Well wish me luck, going to look at a rental this morning. We know who the previous tenants were and to the best of our knowledge they did not have bed bugs. Won't stop me from looking for signs though.

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    Good luck! Keep us posted, and ASK.

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    CantStopCrying - 7 minutes ago  » 
    Good luck! Keep us posted, and ASK.

    Thanks, asking isnt really an option if I want the place. Rentals are ridiculously hard to come by in my area. We got lucky with this one cause we knew who use to live there and had a heads up that it is open. I guess there are about 30-40 other people that inquired about the place and I fear if I even bring up the words bed bugs than we won't get it. I'm pretty confident this place don't have them.

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    mp7ski - 2 hours ago  » 

    CantStopCrying - 7 minutes ago  » 
    Good luck! Keep us posted, and ASK.

    Thanks, asking isnt really an option if I want the place. Rentals are ridiculously hard to come by in my area. We got lucky with this one cause we knew who use to live there and had a heads up that it is open. I guess there are about 30-40 other people that inquired about the place and I fear if I even bring up the words bed bugs than we won't get it. I'm pretty confident this place don't have them.

    I can understand that. I'm a big mouth though and I'd just blame it on other rentals I've looked at. "I've looked at several rentals and they were infested" but I dontotally understand why you don't want to bring it up.

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    Good luck hope everything works out for you. I live in NY so bed bugs are the norm around here. It's hard to find a place that doesn't have them or did have them at one point. It's to the point around here I swear the corner stores will start selling them lol. I just went and got new furniture six months ago I flat out asked them does this store have or had bed bugs. If we end up moving I will most definitely ask the new landlord and surrounding tennets of any bug issues.

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    Well, we got the other rental and we can be pretty sure there are no bugs cause extended family lived there before we got it.

    We have a very busy week ahead of us. Our fumigator in grand Rapids backed out on us so now I must drive down to Chicago which is 5 hours away, drop the truck off for 2.5-3 days, come back up here and then drive back down there and pick it up.

    But I'm sort of glad we have to go to Chicago cause all he deals with is fumigation and he will do a higher concentration (3x) since I told him we have furniture carpet beetles as well.

    It's not going to go perfectly. We have one girl who just started school and we all need clothes for those few days but the few items that won't be going in the truck will be treated in a packtite and sealed up until needed.

    Then after the move, we'll rent a dumpster, go back to the old rental and empty it wearing clothes and shoes we can dispose of, then shower and put on sealed clothes and hopefully leave them all behind.

    Afterall, it will cost me around $7000 total so....

    Wish me luck...

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    Moved in, fumigation is done... and I sit here with a few of the red pin prick reactions I was having... I don't get it... everything in me is trying to say it's not bed bugs and it's something else... but a part of me knows better.

    The fumigation said he drilled them. Used a higher concentration than what was needed and held it for longer than needed.

    We did so much... pretreated almost everything... threw out all furniture... wtf... I pray to God this is just my paranoia but I know better. The reactions stopped for the few days the truck was with the fumigator... first night after getting it back... reactions... I'm so fed up with this.

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    I followed (more or less) your story and I feel so sorry for you! That's awful, I really hope that the marks on your skin are not bedbugs bites. I feel for you.

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    Remember that high stress can make old bites flare up. Just try to relax and get it off your mind. I know its easier said than done but as soon as I relaxed my itching stopped after a few days.

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    The reactions stopped for the few days the truck was with the fumigator... first night after getting it back... reactions

    I really, really hope you're worried for nothing. As mentioned above it could be old bites flaring up.

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    Thanks everyone... I can't imagine what I will do if we brought them with us. On a sort of positive note, I woke up yesterday morning and went to work, while at work I noticed a red pinprick reaction on the inner part of my arm opposite my elbow (elbowpit??? Lol) again, I was immediately depressed. Then later in the day I started itching my other arm in the same spot and looked and literally watched red pinprick marks appear out of nowhere. I think I'm itching myself so hard that it's causing blood to come up and create red pinprick spots on my skin. I must be doing the same in my sleep. I still have marks that aren't caused from that and I don't know where they are coming from, but I have hope now...

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    Ugh... came home from work today, laid in bed for a bit and had a raised welt on my arm after about an hour. I'm pretty much convinced we brought them with us somehow. I don't understand how. We did so much, pretreated everything with a packtite, a very hot dryer, or ddvp strips, took so many precautions and had all our stuff fumigated... it must have failed. I don't get it. He used a higher concentration and even held it for longer than 24hrs. The whole process cost me soooo much money... and my gf is happy to be back to normal. Now I feel like I failed them... I pray with every part of my soul that I'm wrong and all these skin reactions are a coincidence but I need to be realistic. They are the same reactions I was getting at the old infested rental.

    I installed passive monitors on both our beds... don't have much confidence in them though... I don't know what I'm going to do... my gf is to the point where if we brought them with us, we're just going to have to deal with it, which I I can't do. I'm lost... how could one do so much and still have an issue... God I hope I'm wrong...

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    I need to come up with a plan in case I do find them. But I don't know where to start. I've already spent close to $10000 altogether between treatments, self treating, moving, and replacing stuff. I'm not sure what I would do or how to tell our awesome new landlord. I would bring in a professional in a heart beat but all the exterminators in my area aren't good enough. Any that heat treat don't do the whole house and don't follow up with chemicals or dusts. And the best one around told me themselves that while their chemical treatments can be effective, they aren't 100 percent due to resistance.

    What would you guys do... I'm at a loss. I know I need to relax and wait for evidence besides bites but I need to have a plan as well... and I'm not sure what that would be.

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    Im so sorry darling. I hate to say it but what if the bugs were already at that place? Maybe the people living there were non reactors and didnt really know what to look for. I am so sorry but keep your head up. It could be something else. It very well could be bites just appearing fron 2 weeks ago.

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    Another way to montior is the good ol sitting up and watching if bugs come to eat. Get your self all sweaty by running then sit on the bed in the dark. Your body heat and heavy breathing will draw them to you (im guessing). Worth a try.

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    Do you still have Cimexa? Start treating the areas you're worried about.

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    I extremely doubt they were in here beforehand as the people that were in this house before us are extended family and told us of this place opening up. As for the rest, my gf is the problem. She's fed up and thinks I'm being paranoid. I'm holding on to hope she's right. I pray to God I am being paranoid... but there's just too much I can't ignore. She didn't even want me to put the monitors on the bed. She tells me if we do have them, there's nothing we can do and she's not going back to the way we were living before. I somewhat agree with her, we aren't going back to that lifestyle regardless but like I told her, we can't do nothing or they will get out of control. I'm just going to relax and wait for evidence and hope it never comes. I'll commit a day of the week to doing an inspection of the monitors and beds. Other than that... idk what else to do.

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    I don't get it guys... I just dont. I'm getting at least one new mark very night. With everything I did, how can it be that frequent already.

    I did so much... I threw out 90% of our belongings, all furniture, and pretreated everything possible. All clothes went loosely into a commercial dryer for 1.5 hours. Everything we took was either treated in a packtite or in a jumbo zip lock bag with ddvp strip for 4 months... yes... 4 months. The only things that weren't pretreated in one form or another were a 55 inch tv and a satellite reciever. But those things have been surrounded by a almost invisible layer of cimexa for close to 6 months. And then all of that was put into the moving truck... packed ridiculously loose and fumigated. I literally went above and beyond with everything I did. You should have seen the way I packed the truck and the boxes. There is no way that fumigant didn't reach everywhere.

    The fumigator did a way higher concentration than needed and for longer than needed.

    I just don't understand... I want to believe these skin reactions are something else... but I'm not stupid. They are the exact same reactions I got at the old place when things started getting worse. I'd treat, they'd go away. And then come back after some time.

    I can't find anything but I don't expect to until they multiply. And then when I do... I have no freaking clue what I'd do. Looks like I'll be stuck with them the rest of my life, cause if I have them after everything I did? What more can I do...

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    It is possible that someone got lazy with packing items and it didnt get treated properly. Especially since your girlfriend was "getting sick of living like that". I know my husband can be lazy even if I yell at him to undress outside during tick season and we still end up with ticks getting into our house. Not everyone in your household will be as diligent as you were when you made the move. Same reaaon I don't let my husband do housework, it turns out half assed at best. Maybe you can find the harbourage before they get out of control again.

    But that is the only thing I can think of other than the bugs already being there OR perhaps the neighbors have them and they just started spreading. I'm so sorry man.

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    There's just no way anyone was lazy with the packing since I literally took part in packing every box. We didn't even box things inside the home. Everything we took was bagged up from when we treated it in the packtite and with ddvp strips, we brought those bags outside and packed the boxes outside. I then packed the truck myself and even used 1 inch cardboard spacers from my work between every box and poked holes in even very box as well. Nothing was stacked and there was so much space in the truck it was ridiculous. I'm thinking they had to be in the satellite reciever in my room or my laptop. But i made sure these things and anything else i was worried about was in a very loose box right near where they would pump the gas in. But it just doesn't make sense why the fumigation wouldnt work. I wish I could believe these reactions are caused by something else or are delayed but I just can't believe that.

    I'm trying to figure out what to do. I have no evidence yet but if I'm going to treat my self I should do it ASAP to give me the best chance. I think we've been in there long enough that any bugs have relocated to the bed now so I could focus heavy there. The problem is my gf and the money factor again.

    I know I should wait for evidence but I'm afraid by then it will be too late.

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    I recall you mentioned your GF was reacting to bites at the previous location. Is she also showing reactions at your new home?

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    She is but not like me. She only has one or two of the red pinprick reactions, but she also has a few welt type reactions. She thinks it's just a coincidence and random spots and mine are are all mental. She tries to keep any skin reactions from me as she knows how I'll respond to it. I suffer severe anxiety from all of this so she's trying to help in that regard. I'm almost positive we brought them with us. I don't get it but that doesn't matter at this point. Idk what the hell I'm going to do. All the pcos in our area suck and I'm completely drained financially, mentally, and physically. I have to wait until I find evidence but I'm sure that's just in due time.

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    Im telling you. My "bites" stopped when I stopped imaginimg bites. Your body can literally make bites appear because that is all on your mind. Did you have bites when you were staying away from your home? When you stop worrying about it, your body stops doing that. Remrmber that your skin has been bitten many many times. It can make old bites reappear under stress. ❤

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    How are things, mp7ski?

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    How are things, mp7ski?

    Not good... been getting more reactions recently, quite a few of the red pin pricks. I just recently started getting smaller welts that happen over night and go away for the most part by mid day. I'm about 95 percent positive we brought them with us somehow. If I had to guess they were in the TV and satellite receiver we have in our room and the fumigation failed. They must have spread into the electronics when orkin used that aerosol at the old rental.

    I'm so exhausted and dumbfounded. I did so much, spent so much money, thought we had our life back... I guess not. I had over $17000 in savings toward a house before this, I now have less than $7000.

    The worst part is I can't talk about it with my gf. She's convinced we don't have them and any time i mention bbs she gets really pissed at me.

    I don't know what to do. I feel they are at a very low level right now and would be undetected upon inspection.

    I want to call in and professional and get a heat treatment before it gets cold here in MI but all the companies suck. They don't do the whole house and they don't follow up the heat treatment with chemicals.

    I feel trapped. About my only other option is to spend $1000 on a steamer and chemicals and do my best to diy... but I know that won't get the job done.

    Not to mention I'd have to convince my gf that we have them. I'm going to do a thorough inspection while she's working today but I doubt that will turn up anything.

    The worst part is we are not taking the precautions we were before and I can't imagine getting my gf to do so again without proof.

    I just wish we had access to a reliable pco who did heat treatments. I just wish my gf would be more cooperative, I get why she is acting the way she's acting, she's fed up and exhausted... but ... idk. I just don't know anymore. I miss my life, my family, my friends... I failed my family and am running out of options. I can't live like this. I'm at my breaking point.

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    Even low level infestations leave evidence. When was the last time you found a live bed bug?

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    BigDummy - 12 minutes ago  » 
    Even low level infestations leave evidence. When was the last time you found a live bed bug?

    Honestly, the last time I seen a live bug was at the old rental probably 7-8 months ago, but we were getting treated and constantly treating. Plus we had cimexa applied and would treat the beds and frames every month and reapply cimexa.

    We had the TV and satellite reciever surrounded in cimexa for 6 months but I'm thinking they avoided it and stayed in them until we moved.

    Now that our bed isn't isolated and don't have cimexa down, reactions are more frequent and getting worse.

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    You would see poop by now if there were any bugs. If you want just put some cimexa down on the bed legs and may5nr put interceptors. I really don't think you have bugs anymore. Its in your head and the marks are showing up from stress. Trust your girlfriend on this ok? Just take her word for it.

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    I wish I could but she woke up this morning with two skin reactions on her wrist. I pointed them out and she got pissed and said they are pimples... on her wrist, okay...

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    I really wish I could just forget about it. But I've only been in this rental for three weeks and since getting the truck back, skin reactions have gotten progressively worse. And it's not just on me. I'm tempted to bring in a k9 but then I'd have to get the landlord involved and idk if that's a good idea at this point. Plus it will cost me $300 just for the k9.

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    No bed bugs in 7-8 months? Then bed bugs aren't your problem. Especially with that heavy treatment regimen you were going through, there would have been something in all that time.

    Bed bugs are not the only cause of skin irritations; you're trying to fit something where it doesn't go, trust your girlfriend, she knows more about her skin than you.

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    Bigdummy, I respect your opinion just as much as I respect Lous or Nobugs and I agree with you that in 99 % of cases similar to mine, it's not bbs. However, there's just too much I can't ignore.

    See, when we first found out about our issue it was bad, then or kin used a aerosol that spread them everywhere. There was fecal all over the room all living room after they "treated." Then after three of their treatments, I treated myself and watched a few bugs crawl out from cracks in the wall from my treatment. They died but it just showed me how bad it really was.

    After that, we did the cimexa. The bites would stop after we did this but after a few weeks they would gradually come back. I knew they were there so it never really inspected for them after that. I believe our treatments and the cimexa kept them in check.

    Now, since we moved, we had no reactions for the 3 days the truck was with the fumigator, but the morning after getting the truck back we got reactions and they gradually have gotten worse.

    Believe me, I pray with everything in me I'm wrong, but I'm also realistic and can't ignore all the signs.

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    mp7ski - 17 minutes ago  » 
    Bigdummy, I respect your opinion just as much as I respect Lous or Nobugs and I agree with you that in 99 % of cases similar to mine, it's not bbs. However, there's just too much I can't ignore.
    See, when we first found out about our issue it was bad, then or kin used a aerosol that spread them everywhere. There was fecal all over the room all living room after they "treated." Then after three of their treatments, I treated myself and watched a few bugs crawl out from cracks in the wall from my treatment. They died but it just showed me how bad it really was.
    After that, we did the cimexa. The bites would stop after we did this but after a few weeks they would gradually come back. I knew they were there so it never really inspected for them after that. I believe our treatments and the cimexa kept them in check.
    Now, since we moved, we had no reactions for the 3 days the truck was with the fumigator, but the morning after getting the truck back we got reactions and they gradually have gotten worse.
    Believe me, I pray with everything in me I'm wrong, but I'm also realistic and can't ignore all the signs.

    But the signs are not a one-to-one relationship pointing to bed bugs. You are interpreting the lesions as a result of bed bug feeding. It is possible that your skin lesions are not bed bug derived. I had clients who had skin lesions and used aerosol bombs to kill what was bothering them. In 3 days the skin lesions returned. After every treatment, skin lesions began a few days after treatment. There was particulate matter and fibers in the air, possibly some type of allergen. The aerosol droplets were enough to settle out the particulate matter from the air, but as everything dried and evaporated, the particulate matter or allergenic material was back up in the air. Air purifiers helped remove the particulate matter and the skin reactions disappeared.

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    I know how stressed out you have been, I've been there.

    Sometimes our bodies react even stronger when the stressor is removed. And things settle back down slowly.

    I don't think you brought them. Allow yourself to believe you didn't, that unless there is evidence to the contrary (live bugs, cast skins, eggs, or confirmed fecal), you didn't bring them.

    Wishing you all the best...

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    Thanks for taking the time to try and talk some sense into me guys and gals. I'm still not convinced it's not bed bugs but I'm keeping an open mind. I didn't get a chance to inspect yesterday with the kids running around but I'll try and do so by this weekend. Just hard to come home from a days work and put in the effort a thorough inspection takes, especially while watching 2 little girls. I'll do my inspection soon, then if our reactions continue or get worse, I may just have to pay for k9 once and for all. Then if that turns up nothing, ill just stop the nonsense and use andll passive monitor to keep an eye out.

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    Stick to that plan, and trust in the dog and handler. It'll be a great success to have your peace of mind back, you've been tormenting yourself too long.

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    I'm so exhausted... so sick of living like this. Reactions have been getting a little worse recently. My gf woke up with two welts on her arm last night and I woke up with two pinprick marks on my arm this morning and a welt on my stomach (sleep with shirt off) I've tried ignoring these reactions but I can't any more. I should call in a k9 but i don't even know what i would do when they confirm it. I would get a heat treatment but they just don't perform them they way they should be done around here. My savings are dwindling and any money i spend now should be spent wisely.... I just don't know what is wise anymore.

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    And on top of that, my gfs oldest daughter just complained of some bites on her neck that itched, I looked and sure enough, three red raised welts that she's been itching at with one having a scab from her itching so much. OMFG.... I'm about to lose it.

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    Again, when was the last time you found any shred of evidence? It's not like they go next door to poop.

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    Dude just get a k9 in there. It will ease your mind.

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    mp7ski - 16 hours ago  » 
    And on top of that, my gfs oldest daughter just complained of some bites on her neck that itched, I looked and sure enough, three red raised welts that she's been itching at with one having a scab from her itching so much. OMFG.... I'm about to lose it.

    Where does she live, with you?

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    Ya, she lives with us. My gf also had a mental breakdown and I couldn't get her to tell me why... but today she told me it's cause she thinks we still have them too. I want to call a k9 in but there's a few things holding me up... one, I'd have to get the landlord involved and two, when i had a regular inspection at the old rental from the company with the k9, their inspection was pathetic. He didn't even inspect, I had to insist on showing him evidence. He was more of a salesman. Three, I'm afraid even if the dog hits they won't find anything cause I believe it's a very light infestation at this point. Idk, I'm going to have a talk with my gf tonight and come up with a gameplan.

    At the end of the day I'll do what I have to do

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    Mp- if I remember you are from Michigan...what part? I am from MI too and just had a k9 out because of a recent bb scare. Great company, doesn’t work for a PCO and I totally trusted. They dog didn’t alert anywhere in my home and gave me a piece of mind that we didn’t have them again. She does do a search if the dog alerts and also offered to come back within a few weeks if I still had an uneasy feeling. I can get you the info if you’d like.

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    I'm pretty much in the middle of the lower peninsula. The only companies I can find that service our area are rose (who has the k9), griffin, orkin, and few other small companies in grand rapids. Those that do heat treatment only do the bedrooms and living room and don't do a chemical treatment afterward.

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    mp7ski - 26 minutes ago  » 
    I'm pretty much in the middle of the lower peninsula. The only companies I can find that service our area are rose (who has the k9), griffin, orkin, and few other small companies in grand rapids. Those that do heat treatment only do the bedrooms and living room and don't do a chemical treatment afterward.

    You need to move from Michigan

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    mp7ski - 7 hours ago  » 
    Ya, she lives with us. My gf also had a mental breakdown and I couldn't get her to tell me why... but today she told me it's cause she thinks we still have them too. I want to call a k9 in but there's a few things holding me up... one, I'd have to get the landlord involved and two, when i had a regular inspection at the old rental from the company with the k9, their inspection was pathetic. He didn't even inspect, I had to insist on showing him evidence. He was more of a salesman. Three, I'm afraid even if the dog hits they won't find anything cause I believe it's a very light infestation at this point. Idk, I'm going to have a talk with my gf tonight and come up with a gameplan.
    At the end of the day I'll do what I have to do

    I don't know the laws in Michigan but here in Ontario Canada, the landlord pays for treatment.
    I think it is half-assed and probably the legal minimum in my case.
    I don't see why the landlord should be involved unless they pay for it.
    K9s are not 100% reliable.
    The bites mean you're being bitten somewhere.

    There are so many possible ways you could be getting them (neighbours, work, gym, laundry room, theatre, school, etc.) that I don't think there is a solution that will last.
    Someone suggested moving from Michigan.
    I don't know if that state has a higher than average rate of infestation.

    You could move to a house and get the moving truck vikaned.
    That seems really expensive for a not 100% long term solution.

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    The only reason the landlord needs involved is because the company won't come onto the property unless the owner of said property agrees. Moving from Michigan isn't an option, we've both lived here our whole lives, I have a great job, and all our family lives here.

    I already did the vikane in the moving truck thing and it seems to have failed. We're not bringing them in from anywhere, we got them from moving into an infested rental and took extreme precautions not to spread them elsewhere. We even replaced our vehicle right before we moved.

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    Ah man, I read your update soon after you posted and been trying to come up with some encouraging words, but damn... I can't believe it.

    We tried to bring in a PCO that we trusted and he wouldn't come in unless the landlord authorized it.

    What about passive monitors? You could try those.

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    I have one passive monitor on each bed, but I'm not as confident in them, especially in the early parts of an infestation, as the inventor is...

    If I had to guess, only a handful followed us and judging by the reactions, they were most likely nymphs. But we all know that makes little difference in the end. I think I'm going to talk to my gf tonight about talking to the landlord and having a k9 brought in. Don't know how to approach the situation. We have a great relationship with our landlord and I don't want to screw that up. Do we come clean on everything we did... or do we just say we've been getting bites lately and fear its bbs so I want to call in a k9.

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    Update... Well, I've been trying to ignore everything my head is telling me... Trying to move on... Unfortunately, it's not happening. I've been getting skin reactions more and more frequently. I woke up at 3am the other night itching my chest like crazy. In that spot was 2 pimple looking bumps, so I wrote it off as such... However, by 8am, they were swollen to dime size welts... I'm getting more of the red pin prick reactions as well. More skin reactions that itch like crazy after I wake up in the morning. Gf has been getting reactions as well, including two on her chest/breast area. I've been slacking on the bed inspections as well... So of course I haven't found anything. I'm afraid to. I don't know what I'll do. I could bring in a K9 but one, I'm not very confident in them and two, I'd have to tell my landlord and the K9 company would need her permission to come on the property. Idk, I feel like I'm rambling with no real direction in this post but I'm just done with it... Idk what to do anymore guys. I spent all my energy and a lot of my savings moving from that hell hole and I tried doing it right. I'm exhausted...

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    Are your passive monitors still clear? I know you aren't completely sold on them so have you considered some interceptors, to see if you catch anything?

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    Dear Mp7, I just read your story- I hear you and I feel for you and I commend/laud you for having done so much thorough work and planned strategic action at your own great expense physically, mentally, emotionally and fiscally. Please don't give up. I am in same boat (I know, sorry I can't come from a success story-yet), but want to send my sympathy and encouragement your way.

    I have to say it really bothers me (sorry to all professionals here), when we who have lived with bed bug bites for months are being discounted as "it's all in our heads" when bites reappear. Granted, there might be some people who have 'freak out' syndrome after having had bed bugs, mainly people who have NEVER had bed bugs may think they are being bitten from what I see on this forum. But there are indeed rational people who have lived with bed bugs for months, we know when we are being bitten again, and I also never jump to conclusions right away WE DON'T WANT IT TO BE TRUE believe me. But there are very specific signs, these bites are idiosyncratic. And being in denial about the bites, which, proposing that bites don't mean anything only physical evidence does, with bed bugs I'd say that is a dangerous way to go.
    Bed bugs are notorious for hiding well, otherwise we wouldn't need K9s or heat treatments. It is implied that physical evidence is nearly impossible to find sometimes. Bites that occur within their cycle for ppl who are sensitive to them, and most especially for ppl WHO HAVE IN FACT HAD THEM, are a big indicator in my book. I know my post will start a bite lecture series here, I heard and read them all already- spare me but I know you must educate the public...

    I just scheduled my 3rd heat treatment for next week. While the new PCO made me feel hopeful, this forum and all the unsuccessful stories are sobering. However, this new PCO will stay with me he said UNTIL THEY ARE GONE. 4 months are guaranteed in the price for follow up treatment. He DOES accept bites as a sign they are back. He said WE know if we still have them, us who are sensitive to the bites. He will come back for follow ups as needed.

    I am not sure if K9 is really necessary I have read and heard mixed things about it. I think you may as well look for TREATMENT at this point. Are you sure there are no more choices in your town, or maybe closest city for heat and chemical/dust treatment? I sat at my computer and carefully looked at my options online, I have quite a bit to choose from but the companies here TRAVEL far into the state for treatments as well! Maybe you can find a company outside your area that will come out. How far is the closest big city? check your options again, more bed bug exterminators around , they are growing as the bb population grows.
    I am still waiting for my interceptors. I suppose to find physical evidence that would be a good thing. Also to actually trap them.
    Keep us posted
    and maybe do some self-care before you attempt the next thing...whatever that is. (I gained weight from that comfort food)...walk in the park or a movie (in theatre) or a massage...

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    bed-bugscouk - 3 months ago  » 
    Its a lot more common than people would realise.
    Its also the number one reason why the advice is stay and resolve not flee and leave a problem for someone else.

    I'm pretty sure the guy across and down the hall in my apartment had them.
    I don't know if he moved out suddenly but I do know the people that moved in were treated the same day I was (I don't think a direct neighbour was though).

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    Well... Update... Beginning of december, started getting bites more frequently, then found a first or second stage instar crawling on me while in bed... Spent $700 replacing and encasing box springs and buying temprid sc, phantom, crossfire, and cimexa. Have treated with temprid SC and phantom and plan on treating with crossfire and phantom again, then using cimexa. After using phantom the bites almost dissapeared for 2 weeks but then I fell asleep on our futon one night and woke up with those same red dots on one of my arms.... I'm just at a loss... I can't keep controlling them with chemicals and exposing our kids and us to these chemicals. I can't live with bed bugs either... I can't keep spending all this damn money. I'm past fed up...

    In response to recent posts... Believe me, I have called every company that services my area and a lot that don't to try and get them to. The closest company that services my area is over an hour away in a much larger city. I live in the middle of Michigan so we don't have other states on our sides that companies will come from. Hell, I went to Chicago to get my moving truck fumigated, making 2 9-10 hour round trips... And it didn't even work... Believe me... I've done my due diligence.

    I know now that the only way I'll probably get away from them is to give up everything and walk outta here naked. Even then I could walk into a house that already has them...

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    Did you see my PM mp7ski??

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    Aww man, that sucks.

    You said the bites stopped for 2 weeks so maybe the last incident was a new hatching. Keep doing the treatments!!

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    Im so sorry man. I can only sympathize. I wouldn’t know what else to do. Maybe just keep up with treating. This sucks man.

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    Sucks is an understatement... Woke up with a cluster of itching bites on my leg this morning that are bleeding from me itching. I just don't understand... I don't know what my next course of action is. Do I just accept the fact we'll never get rid of them and learn to live with them? I can't do that... But what else do I do. I can't believe this is what my life has come to. Can't believe im still dealing with this. I wish I knew what to do...

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    Hi again mp7ski, so sorry to hear the bad news. I'd like to first emphasize that your and your gf's and kids bites were indeed real, in spite of lack of physical evidence for many months. It is indeed possible to have bites and no evidence since they are so hard to find. By the time the physical evidence appears, the infestation has had a chance to spread. But I am writing to give you hope...it sucks that you are fighting this alone, it really zaps one's energies. I have been in similar situation, but have help now and am finally seeing some good results. While my last bite was 2 weeks ago, my pco keeps treating with Crossfire, Temprid and Phantom, not all at the same time, and in broad intervals, but slowly and surely it is killing them off. Bites have eased. With each new bite they treat and do new things or repeat. I guess you have to learn how to treat properly , not overuse, and in intervals (I'm no pro but you can ask the PCOs? via phone maybe? or here on forum). Phantom did more for me than Temprid. Not sure why after Temprid I didn't have great results. I also kept up bed bug protocol with other things, since I as you have had the darndest time with them, and always kept getting bit even after PCO treatments including heat.

    Even with all you have done I can see how you might still have them just because they are so difficult to eliminate. Yes, it is possible to have gaps in diy or professional treatment, as I have as well and many others do who can not get rid of them. Please don't give up, even I believe now that one CAN get rid of them after all...good luck and keep us posted. Hope it helps

    PS In case this helps: My PCO treats ALL baseboards (a must), bed frames and couch frames or just mainly the legs with Phantom. Mattresses (with cover) with crossfire. That's it. They did stairwell baseboards and basement as well, but not excessively. They know how to get the right amount and not over treat. It lasts several weeks or months so caution not to over treat

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    mp7ski - 19 hours ago  » 
    I wish I knew what to do...

    How many units in your building?

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    Have you considered trying bedlam plus? I have been reading good things about it. Its especially good for resistant bugs. Its a longer lasting residual, quite expensive though.

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    Also check if aprehend is available in your state. Its a bio type insecticide that there is no known resistance to it. Its quite new but worth a look to see if its available

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    hearty - 2 days ago  » 
    Hi again mp7ski, so sorry to hear the bad news. I'd like to first emphasize that your and your gf's and kids bites were indeed real, in spite of lack of physical evidence for many months. It is indeed possible to have bites and no evidence since they are so hard to find. By the time the physical evidence appears, the infestation has had a chance to spread.

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    BigDummy - 1 day ago  » 

    hearty - 2 days ago  » 
    Hi again mp7ski, so sorry to hear the bad news. I'd like to first emphasize that your and your gf's and kids bites were indeed real, in spite of lack of physical evidence for many months. It is indeed possible to have bites and no evidence since they are so hard to find. By the time the physical evidence appears, the infestation has had a chance to spread.

    I know you disagree with this big dummy... But I have to agree with hearty for the most part. Every case is different but I'd have to say this obviously pertains to my case. Your only argument could be we're getting reinfested but I know for a fact that's not the case. In the year plus we've been dealing with this, nowhere we visit regularly has shown any signs of bed bugs... And nowadays, we rarely get out of the house. We even replaced our vehicle when we moved, my gf quit her job. Kids quit going to daycare. The only explanation is we've had them all along, through all the treating... Which deep down I knew. I'm not saying that there wouldn't be signs after a couple months, but one, you have to find those signs, and two, if you brought in only a handful of early stage nymphs, it would take more than a month for them to start breeding and gaining numbers. Personally I believe we only brought in a handful of nymphs when we moved due to the skin reactions I got the night we moved our fumigated belongings in which is why it took a few months to find one.

    Regardless, I could care less... I just want my life back and I don't see that happening any time soon...

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    Start saving. When you have enough. Burn everything, start new. Might have to move out of that state. I know I would if everywhere i go there’d be a chance to encounter bed bugs.

    Or

    Change professions. Become a PCO to get the good stuff and treat yourseld....

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    I empathize mp7ski, the PCO options are less than inspiring where I live too. They are willing to try to get rid of your problem, but if I'm gonna spend a small fortune on an extermination I want the PCO to be confident in his abilities. Maybe us Michiganders should chip in to relocate Killer Queen or F. Pazos here...

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    bedbugsbugme - 15 hours ago  » 
    Start saving. When you have enough. Burn everything, start new. Might have to move out of that state. I know I would if everywhere i go there’d be a chance to encounter bed bugs.
    Or
    Change professions. Become a PCO to get the good stuff and treat yourseld....

    I wish I could burn everything and start fresh... But we can't do that with a family of four not to mention we pretty much gave up 90% of our stuff when we moved, heat treated everything we could that we were taking and then drove to Chicago twice, a five hour drive, to have the rest of our stuff fumigated... And it didn't work.

    And believe me, I have the good stuff... The problem is that bed bugs have developed resistant to the good stuff and it just doesn't get the job done these days.

    I can't move out of the state either. Just not an option not to mention I'd probably just take them with us if we did.

    I just don't know what to do now.... I am literally out of options.

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    I feel so sorry for you and your family, no one deserves this...

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    I don't know what to do guys. I'm getting bit at least every other night now and in the living room as well. So it's not contained to our room. I'm not sure what to do. I feel like I've tried everything except a heat treatment. But I don't want to waste my money on a heat treatment that won't work because the companies that service my area don't treat the whole house and they don't follow up with chemicals or dusts. I'm at loss. What do I do? Anyone? I've been living this hell for over a year and a half and have spent over ten thousand dollars trying to get rid of them and move away from them with absolutely no success. I feel like I'm at the point where my only option is to deal with it and just love with them. I don't know what else to do. Any advice or ideas... Cause mine have run absolutely dry....

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    I have been trying to find a reason that I’ve being bit. It has been going on now for 16 months when I Cat sat for my upstairs neighbor. I literally saw bedbugs in their apt and I’m sure the few days I spent sitting on their couch playing with their cat exposed me. The bites never stopped since that time and I like you have moved. I have never seen a bedbug that I know of in my apt or my house I live in now.. my SO thinks I’m nuts although he does admit that I have bites. He says he doesn’t but I’ve seen them on him too. We have had company and have stayed at other people’s homes. No one has had any reactions or bugs. We went on vacation for 5 days and I was bite free until the last day in the hotel on our way home. I have taken every precaution I can, but I have to move on and live life. I no longer live out of bags. I have encased both mattresses laid down some Cimexa and have passive monitors on both beds couch and our cars. So far nothing but carpet beetles and stink bugs. Can’t stand them either..lol. I did buy a thermal strike. I know you have spent loads of cash already, but I love mine and can treat lots of stuff without worry. I wish you nothing but the best. I was so hoping yours and my move would bring good results.

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    I already own a packtite which I used on everything possible before we moved, the only explanation was that they were in our electronics and the ddvp strips and fumigation failed to kill the ones hiding in them. I tried so hard to do everything right when we moved, went above and beyond... It just makes no sense. I know people that had worse infestations and did worse things treatment wise and didn't do half the stuff I did when they moved, yet got away from them.

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    I tried so hard to do everything right when we moved, went above and beyond... It just makes no sense.
    UNLESS it's a re-introduction. Daycare/school? Work? Relatives?

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    I thought I remembered that some relatives of yours were fighting bedbugs too. Did they win their battle or could they have brought them back into your home or car?

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    My suggestion would be to first think long and hard about the possibility of reintroduction. I would consider using a steamer, Aprehend and CimeXa. You've stated you want to restrict CimeXa use to cracks and crevices. Aprehend shouldn't kick up in the air like CimeXa and could be used on more open surfaces.

    Aprehend is available in Michigan but only through licensed professionals. You own a respirator and have applied chemical pesticides plus you are more knowledgeable than most pros on the subject of bedbugs. There's no training program required for its application; the directions are right on their website. If you write them, maybe they will make an exception in your situation and ship it directly to you. I'm presuming here the restriction is self-imposed and not placed on them by the EPA or the states.


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