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Is it too late to use Passive Monitor now? Please help >.<

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  1. somanybugs

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    Single house family of 5. We found bed bug about a week before Christmas 2016. We freaked out and uneducated. We did a lot of cleaning and spraying of over the counter bedbug spray. I read a lot and know now that this might have worsen the situation (v.v). After uneducated self-treatment fail, I hired an PCO who came and sprayed chemical twice now, 10 days apart (He will be spraying the 3rd time tomorrow). We originally only find bed bugs in 2 rooms, mine and my parents. But a few days ago, i found an adult one in the basement, tonight, i found one just walking down the hall way. I have never seen them anywhere other than in the two bed rooms.
    I read about the passive monitor in the forum and that makes a lot of sense.
    I understand that we might have made some kind of mistakes that might have spread them out (I can't tell you how hard I wanna kick myself). But if I buy and install the passive monitor on all beds in the house now, Will bed bugs be moving into those as they are closer to food source? What chance to I have to get rid of them now?
    Please help me!!
    Also, here is a picture of the bug I have for identification:

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    Hi,

    Thanks for the level of detail in your post it helps when it comes to directing things down the right path.

    As you can see from the image below bed bugs will relocate from existing harbourages into Passive Monitors. This image was taken from a room that had been treated 10+ times in 3 years and was literally layered in treatment. Our first step was therefore to work to clear out what had been done and to start to reset the room. Yes some products do cause dispersal such as foggers and aerosols but they also don't tend to last long on surfaces. Basically whats done is done and it's not the end of the world.

    Slide1 by David Cain, on Flickr

    It may take a round or two more to tackle the issue via methods like TbyPMR once chemical treatment has been used but its still a feasible method by virtue of the fact that when done completely (with attention to the initial cleaning phase) it is faster that the results we see from traditional spray treatments.

    I have also used this approach to advise people in more remote locations where the local pest control is not as knowledgeable as we have come to expect in the EU and USA.

    I would also advise you pay particular attention to the part about infestation dynamics as if your coats are placed / hung in the hall it may be an indication how how the bed bugs are getting in to start of with.

    Hope that helps and please let people know how you are getting on because often success stories are never heard of again.

    Hope that helps.

    David Cain
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  3. somanybugs

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    HI David,
    Thank you so much for the help. I found and read through your paper on TbyPMR. It makes a lot of sense to me. From my experience alone, I strongly feel that looking and monitoring is so important. All PCOs in my area basically just offering to spray, which I am so not sure about, because I don't stop finding bed bugs.
    Anyway, I ordered some Passive monitor last night, hopefully they will come soon. I have been keep logs of what I found, where I found them, and what we have done all this time. I will read through the TbyPMR paper again today and put together a plan. If you don't mind, I might still be bothering you with any questions that might come up.
    Thank you so much!!

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    Hi,

    I am happy to answer questions on the forum as it ensures others can read and benefit. I am just too busy to add additional personal communications to my agenda.

    I am also always keen on feedback so we can make the method more accessible and easier for people to implement.

    Yes it's a shame there are not more ProActive pest controllers but fear not we have a plan to change that this year. I wont get into why it has happened as I think the reasons why it needs to stop are clearly visible.

    David

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    My plan:

    Summary of that have been done upon finding bed bugs:

    - Inspecting while deep cleaning the main bed rooms, especially where bed bugs are found. At this point, I googled pictures and had a rough idea of what fecal matters, eggs, and shed skins look like. However, I didn’t find any trace of fecal matters or eggs, might have missed them all together due to lack of knowledge.
    - I did find what I believe is a harbourage site in crack under wall against the bed because I saw a couple shed skins in a clutter of dust and 3 live adult bugs. The crack was cleaned out, vacuumed, sprayed and then sealed up.
    - The general must-do laundering of clothing, linens, beddings, encasements.
    - Eliminated clutters, sealing of cracks and crevices on the main level. (These are still on-going processes for the basement  )
    - Hired a PCO who simply sprayed the whole house with Permethrin 3 times so far, 10 days apart.
    - Regular vacuuming, laundering of clothing and beddings.
    - Checking all beds everyday, use self as bait to catch and violently crush all bed bugs found.
    - Put up many sticky traps hoping for accidental catch.
    - Recording data from day 1

    Result so far:

    - Day 1 – 1st treatment: 5 adults, 15 young’s
    - Between 1st and 2nd treatment: ~ 5 adults, 71 young’s
    - Between 2nd and 3rd treatment: 8 adults, 27 young’s
    - Numbers decreased, however, different stages were found.
    - After 2nd treatment, 2 adults bed bugs found in basement and hallway where BBs have not been found before. (AHHHHH)

    Goals:

    - To find and destroy all bed bugs that are currently out of sight (*_*) and eventually end this nightmare.
    - Avoid the source of infestation, prevent future re-infestation (please god please, no more!!!)

    Plan of actions:

    - Keep on inspecting around the house for areas that I might have missed.
    - Continuing eliminating clutters, sealing cracks and crevices (somebody mentioned wood glue, I will try that.)
    - Dusting CimeXa around all beds, couch, cracks and crevices in basement (House is really old, basement is ½ finish, all it has is cracks and crevices) < This will be done soon as my order comes in.
    - Continuing laundering clothes and beddings.
    - Vacuuming regularly.
    - Installing passive monitor on all beds and the couch in hope of drawing out all hiding bugs. <This will be done soon as my order comes in.
    - Burn all found bed bugs with fire (*_*)
    - Repeat until the end of time.

    Identifying source of infestation:

    - The infestation seems to be started from my, and my parent’s rooms. So my mom and I traced our timeline and she said that not too long before we found bed bugs at home, one of her co-worker told story of her “relative” who was dealing with bed bugs. We are not sure, but my mom will be extra careful at her work now, and we’ll both be careful of our routines. But hey! Bed bugs didn’t just infest my home, they infested my life. I don’t know if I can ever be anywhere without keeping an eye out for bed bugs anymore. =D

    Any helpful comments, recommendations will be highly appreciated =D
    Thank you so much for just simply be here and calming me down, so i can put my head together here.

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    Hi,

    I would skip the sealing until the infestation is clear. These extreme example of why this is the correct way around was the landlord in London who laid a laminate floor on top of the infestation on the grounds he was "sure to trap them in".

    While it took a few weeks for the first few bed bugs to work a way out it did not take long for others to follow suit.

    The solution eventually came in two forms:

    • Slowly dealing with them as they came out

    • Or
    • Taking the flooring up and doing it right from this step forwards

    Sealing after can be great, however, the reality is that if you have already provided an optimal harbourage there is simply no need for it. After all we are hardly int he Victorian times when it was more cost effective to employ a "street urchin" to rub the macadamia nuts into the cracks in the floor boards to seal them.

    Oddly enough my right hand man and office manager used to be in the specialist sealants business working with high specification sealants such as the ones used to repair road surfaces. There are some great solutions out there but the "quality stuff" is not what you get on the shelves of the home renovations stores.

    Don't forget desiccant dusts are best applied so lightly you can hardly see them and only on surfaces that bed bugs are likely to walk on. As such a little goes a very long way.

    David

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    Hi David,
    Thank you so much for the helpful suggestions.
    I will save my money on sealants and save my effort for closer inspections.
    I am thinking to apply the dust with blush brush, I am planning to "blend" the dust as thin as possible, around beds and couch, places with high traffic, and hope they walk on them.
    The rest will be inspecting, monitoring, and preventing re-infest.
    I will keep calm and keep monitoring.
    Thank you again!! I really appreciate the help!! ^.^

    *.* must get all bugs *.*

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    bed-bugscouk - 1 hour ago  » 
    Hi,
    I would skip the sealing until the infestation is clear.

    Thank you David for this reply to somanybugs, as it was a "to do" that had not been done yet.

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    Hi,

    Bulb dusters and bellow based applicators are better with Cimexa because you are looking at applying the "smoke" like material not the actual powder. This is the frustrating part because there is no easy to to capture on video how light the application rate is.

    This is why you often see people say "if you can see it you have over applied it". A little will go a very - very long way when used correctly.

    David

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    I found that a household paint brush worked better than a makeup brush for Cimexa

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    bed-bugscouk - 49 minutes ago  » 
    Hi,
    Bulb dusters and bellow based applicators are better with Cimexa because you are looking at applying the "smoke" like material not the actual powder. This is the frustrating part because there is no easy to to capture on video how light the application rate is.
    This is why you often see people say "if you can see it you have over applied it". A little will go a very - very long way when used correctly.
    David

    I see, I will invest in an applicator. Will try my best and follow the instructions as close as possible.
    =D

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    Little update:
    I installed passive monitors in all beds (4) and couch for a week now.

    - No bed bugs found in monitors on couch, bed in basement, and my brother's bed on main level. (Which is a really good thing)

    - No bed bugs found in the monitors on my bed, but I caught 2 feeding on me, and found bite when sitting on computer table beside bed. So I am putting another monitor on table too.

    - So far, I have counted 8 bed bugs found in monitors on my parents bed. And around the same amount found on their mattress ( under pillows and in between folds) every morning.

    So since January 18 - today January 29 : 22 bugs found ( mostly older nymphs and 2,3 adults)

    There have not yet a day gone by that I don't find a couple live bugs. I know this takes time. But its so depressing v.v

    I also ordered CimeXa and bulb duster. However I have never used them before so I am still struggling with applying dust. I only dust it around all the beds and under couch, where bed bugs will most likely walk by. I apply with bulb duster and if the dust is visible to me, I use a blush brush to blend it out. I am not sure if I am doing it right. And I read a lot of on how to apply. But still, If only there is a video teaching how to do that correctly, I would be really thankful.

    - Note to self : Hang in there!!!

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    Thanks for the update. Hope you are rid of them real soon.

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    Hi somanybugs,

    Lots of positives to take home from that one.

    With no intention of blame it is clear that the infestation is at least most associated with your parents so they must undertake the greatest efforts to ensure that the problem is not reintroduced in the future.

    Also be respectful but sensible about their use of the rest of the house till the issue is under control. It is better to restrict them to a target seat or two that others do not use than to risk cross contamination. It also cuts down on the workload and enables you to focus attention on a smaller area. Often with bed bugs its the perceived size of the task that causes anxiety and that is avoidable with knowledge.

    You also only need to focus on dusting the areas of high risk which are identified as the areas of significant activity.

    Hope that helps.

    David

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    Hi David,

    Thank you for your help, at least I know that BBs have not been spread all over the place. Passive monitors are so assuring, at least I know that I will be able to catch them if they are there.

    We suspected that my mom brought home the bed bugs from one of her co-workers (this co-worker is very hard to deal with) anyway, we will do all we can to prevent them. I told my mom what to look for and ask her to check around in her locker room, bag her clothes when she is back from work. we launder everything very often.
    My dad only sit on the couch to read or go to bed to sleep. I am keeping a very close look at the couch. So far, there is no sign, not even in passive monitor, and i did tell him to be careful, and be vigilance.
    My mom do a lot of stuff around the house, but I did ask her to be very careful as well. I vacuum the house every 3 days now. Also inspect and check places around the house as I vacuum.
    luckily, even though they don't see the problem as severe as i do, but everyone are trying their best to help.

    I'm still not very good at dusting yet, so I am just dusting as little as possible around the legs of the bed, under bed, under computer tables, under couch, behind couch, and base board in the hall way where I saw a bed bug before, and see how that works. I'll keep looking up more info on this.

    Thank you again =D

    @FayeState, Thank you soo much for your support!!!! =D

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    Some positive update

    @FayeState: Sorry I didn't reply you in the other post to avoid hijacking.

    Here is a little positive update on my situation:
    From last update ( January 29) I have found 2 more bed bugs, one in the monitor, one was crushed by my dad one morning.

    It has been 18 days today (Feb 17) that I don't find bugs in my room (secondary infestation sites) and its been 10 days since the last bug we found in my parent's room (main infestation site ).

    I know it is still too soon to call success. I am still monitoring everyday, and continue to keep up with cleaning habits.

    The rest of my family is more relaxed now, but I am reminding them everyday lol
    When we first found infestation, we cleaned the house out and moved a lot of stuff into the shed, we will eventually slowly take them back in of course with extreme carefulness in inspection of every items. I bought a pack of Nuvan strips as well to treat unwashable items.

    Hopefully my next post will be a success post.
    I can thank you enough for all the information and helps I get from this site. <3

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    Fantastic news and may it continue on.


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