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  1. sinninsaints318

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    Our landlord conducted an unannounced search of our new apartment with a bed bug sniffing K9 despite our having never reported bites, droppings, casings, etc. Nobody in the building has reported anything... the guy is just paranoid about bed bugs. The dog confirmed a number of our personal items in the wardrobe and around the bed to be contaminated. Now the landlord wants to force us to do a heat treatment, $2k (Switzerland so everything is 3x the price), for the whole room.

    We've installed sticky traps all over the room -- 2 weeks later still nothing, and no treatment as we argue with the landlord over who should pay. We have, however, found a couple of bugs of this type:

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    Can someone confirm that for me? And secondly, whatever kind of bug this is, is it possible that a bed bug K9 mistakes this for a bed bug?

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    here is the link to the photo: https://idhelp.shutterfly.com/pictures/9

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    Tue Oct 20 2015 7:47:43
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    Not bedbug related.

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    Thanks for the reply, Jim. So I am correct that this is not a bed bug? I have found 3 of these in the last couple of weeks, 1 running across the bed. So I wonder what it is, and whether the K9 smells these bugs and confuses them for bed bugs?

    To reiterate... no bites, no itching, no nothing.

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    Yes, Not a bed bug.

    I have absolutely no knowledge about Swiss law or regulations on this, but if I were you I'd become an expert fast or hire an attorney and find out whose responsibility it is to pay for a PCO.

    Did they show you a bug or did the dog just alert? There are lots of false alerts with dogs so without visual proof, the diagnosis is suspect. No one should be treating until they actually confirm a bed bug or its signs visually.

    Also, it's hard to believe that you would get a knock at the door without notice and have the landlord march in for an unannounced search with a dog. Where I live that is totally illegal.

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    Hi Richard,

    Thanks for the detailed reply! We are fast becoming experts on bed bugs and the laws here in Zurich about who has to pay for a PCO. We've also had our lawyer draft a letter to the landlord citing the local unlawful entry laws and insisting they give us a minimum 7 day notice next time unless there is a fire/flood emergency...

    We have had the K9 specialist here on two separate occasions, most recently together with an exterminator. Neither was willing to even look for bugs/evidence, instead just showing us an example of how small the bugs can be from a fixed sample in a petri dish that the specialist had in her pocket. They just say that the bugs can be too small to see or impossible to find, and that the dog is 100% accurate even if there is only a single egg present. I've read a lot now and I know that there are many false positives/negatives... it's a super frustrating situation. It's also a very Swiss mentality to pay a premium for something with little concern for costs, so it seems clear that they convince many people to undergo the heat treatment solely based on alerts from the dogs.

    Thanks again for the confirmation and support!

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    sinninsaints318 - 3 hours ago  » 
    here is the link to the photo: https://idhelp.shutterfly.com/pictures/9

    It is a spider and actually is a species of Steatoda.

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    sinninsaints318 - 32 minutes ago  » 
    We have had the K9 specialist here on two separate occasions, most recently together with an exterminator. Neither was willing to even look for bugs/evidence, instead just showing us an example of how small the bugs can be from a fixed sample in a petri dish that the specialist had in her pocket. They just say that the bugs can be too small to see or impossible to find, and that the dog is 100% accurate even if there is only a single egg present. I've read a lot now and I know that there are many false positives/negatives... it's a super frustrating situation. It's also a very Swiss mentality to pay a premium for something with little concern for costs, so it seems clear that they convince many people to undergo the heat treatment solely based on alerts from the dogs.

    There's no evidence of bed bugs. The canine team (person and dog) are not worth the money that they are being paid. Dog isn't 100% accurate, especially if there is no verification. I'm sure they don't know what a live bed bug looks like, especially all the nymph stages and eggs. If they're not willing to perform a visual verification, their results are suspect. If the dog is alerting, it could have been incorrectly trained to alert to furniture. Leave monitors out. Maybe you can watch this episode.
    http://abcnews.go.com/2020/video/bedbug-sniffing-dogs-accurately-detect-infestations-28132491
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