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  1. BBbait

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    Hey all,

    Long story so please bear with me. New here but I've been reading threads on the forum for a few weeks now. Unfortunately, I also have bed bugs in my house. Thankfully, I believe it is only my room which I share with my 2 brothers. I have been getting bit since March, and at first, I was convinced it was due to stress (my dad was having health complications; he's ok now thankfully). My mother also convinced me of it being allergies, putting a dent in my wallet with visits to specialists (dermatologist, allergist, etc.). Nothing.

    My mother is a neat freak, a trait that I have inherited. I need order and cleanliness in my room, for one that is shared by two other boys, is actually in very good shape. So the idea of bed bugs to her was out of the question. She wouldn't entertain the idea, despite my pleading (as I was convinced it was bug bites). 1 month, 2 months, 3 months pass. I'm still getting bit. It is not stress, and allergy results came back with my biggest danger being cat and dog dander.

    Now to the meat and bones!! Sometime in July, the allergist was convinced my bites were from BBs. That is when i started reviewing this forum. I would wake up in the middle of the night, every night, and find the little bloodsuckers. They are for sure BBs. I've compared them to picture and also showed them to an exterminator who came in from Orkin.

    I searched far and wide for signs of a nest or hiding spot. Feces, cast skins, eggs, anything. Nothing. I went through my bed drawers (I have a bed with wooden Cap Drawers!!!!) pulling them out and inspecting everything. nothing. lifted my mattress and opened it up ( i had a zipped stain cover on it). Nothing. Checked the whole's where screws were placed with a taped q-tip to catch anything i cant see. nothing. checked behind the head board, cleaned out everything from my closet, behind my tv stand. nothing. I only checked my side of the room since I am the only one that gets bit every night. I brought an exterminator from Orkin in and he gave the place a good spraying. I still saw bed bugs after albeit they were nymphs for the most part. The exterminator came in for a second spraying as part of our agreement (3 application) yesterday although I fell asleep on the couch. I havent seen any BB as of yet. It's gotten to the point where I feel like they are crawling all over me throughout the day. I cannot sleep. I'm constantly waking up throughout the night. I am starting law school in two weeks and I do not need anything stressing else stressing me out.

    WHERE CAN THESE SUCKERS BE HIDING?

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    Exterminator's second application was non-toxic to humans, as in we didn't have to leave the house for a couple of hours like the first time. Normal?

    We live in a two family house. Is it possible it came from the family downstairs? Would they need to have a bad enough infestation for it to spread upstairs?

    I feel random welts and bumps emerge throughout the day with no signs of BBs nearby. I meticulously clean everything every morning. Possible to be delayed reaction?

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    Hello BBbait,
    Besides the occasional dead bud, I cannot find any bugs, skins, or eggs either. I know the bugs were in my mattress, and I covered it. Then the newly hatched bugs were biting me. I found two under my bed that were dieing probably from the Cimexa I had around the bed. It is frustrating.

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    I've inspected my mattress and nothing. I did have a zipped stain cover before all this so maybe it protective enough to prevent them getting into the mattress. I'm at the point where I feel like I'll never be able to get rid of them. And this is all while my parents are looking to move, and I'm scared we might bring it over to a new house.

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    A regular mattress cover is not bed bug proof.

    I only found out the infestation was in or on my mattress after we installed an encasement and fecal spots started appearing from inside the encasement. I thought I had examined my mattress thoroughly but obviously I had missed them. Apparently underneath the manufacturer's label is a good hiding spot. I never thought of looking there.

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    bugged-cdn - 21 minutes ago  » 
    A regular mattress cover is not bed bug proof.
    I only found out the infestation was in or on my mattress after we installed an encasement and fecal spots started appearing from inside the encasement. I thought I had examined my mattress thoroughly but obviously I had missed them. Apparently underneath the manufacturer's label is a good hiding spot. I never thought of looking there.

    I examined my mattress, and I had an exterminator quickly look at it, but I'll def give it another thorough checking. I saw no signs of fecal matter when I checked the first time. I have one of those memory foam mattresses, and outside of worn out spot in the center of the mattress (where I sit on mostly) I haven't noticed anything unusual. Does fecal matter/other evidence only emerge with a mattress cover?

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    If you have curtains in the bedroom, be sure to check along the folds. I was at an empty apartment yesterday, the bed had been removed, and there were numerous bedbugs harboring along the top of the black curtains.

    PCO and inventor of a bio active bedbug trap
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    Can you post a picture? It's entirely possible that it could be a close relative and not actually a bed bug.
    Any bird nests in the gable or attic? Any bats that you know of?
    If they are bed bugs and they're coming from downstairs they wouldn't return downstairs after feeding, they would just stay on the top floor.

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    Does fecal matter/other evidence only emerge with a mattress cover?

    No, it's just that it's easier to spot on an all-white encasement than on a patterned cover like mine had (it's pretty old).

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    I agree with BigDummy-- no fecal stains can sometimes mean you're dealing with a closely related species and many pest techs are not trained to ID bat and bird bugs.

    However, Lou Sorkin (loubugs) can ID them from a close image (or if you have access to a flatbed scanner, a scan is often very good).

    Are there any birds or bats or nests from same in or on the building? The actual birds or bats may be gone now but the bugs may have moved to you for that reason.

    I started and run the site but am "not an expert."
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    I took a few pictures of the bugs I found. Some are pretty squished. Some are small (nymphs I think). I'll post whatever I have. If they aren't clear enough, then I'll try scanning them. Question: how do I go about posting the pictures? Do I use a photo sharing page like imgur, etc.?

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    2 adult, 2 nymph pictures. Look like bed bug or could be close relative. Difficult to see the adult bugs clearly.

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    Since it could be a close relative, it's worth considering whether there have been any birds or bats nesting in or on the building.

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    I'll look into it, but I live in the city and I've never seen a bat here before. There's a possibility for bird nest in the attic. What do you recommend I do, aside from looking for birds/bats? The exterminator came for a second spraying 2 days ago and so far I haven't seen anything but I do have a few new bumps. I'm hoping they are just delayed reactions. I'm thinking about steam cleaning the carpet (yes I unfortunately have a BB haven equipped with carpet and captain's drawers in my room) but should I wait until the 3rd spraying? How long after?

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    You can check the attic to see if there are birds or an abandoned nest.

    If you can post a scan of the images, Lou may possibly be able to tell more from them.

    You should ask the PCO about when to steam. They know what they're applying and where and whether you will be sabotaging their efforts or helping.

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    Here are scanned images of the bugs. Idk if they are clear enough. If there are scanner settings that I can use to get a better quality image, please let me know.

    https://i.imgur.com/BuDwaGJ.jpg

    https://i.imgur.com/teYIFZQ.jpg

    EDIT:

    Found a new BB last night on my headboard. It was flipped on its back and looked like it was dying. At least I know the poison is working. Gave it a few sprays of alcohol and saw that sucker's life leave its body. Anyways, this is the smaller bug that's in the scan.

    https://i.imgur.com/kkABaLB.jpg

    https://i.imgur.com/wBvS1GN.jpg

    Reminder: that's after it was sprayed with alcohol

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    BBbait - 1 hour ago  » 
    Here are scanned images of the bugs. Idk if they are clear enough. If there are scanner settings that I can use to get a better quality image, please let me know.
    https://i.imgur.com/BuDwaGJ.jpg
    https://i.imgur.com/teYIFZQ.jpg
    EDIT:
    Found a new BB last night on my headboard. It was flipped on its back and looked like it was dying. At least I know the poison is working. Gave it a few sprays of alcohol and saw that sucker's life leave its body. Anyways, this is the smaller bug that's in the scan.
    https://i.imgur.com/kkABaLB.jpg
    https://i.imgur.com/wBvS1GN.jpg
    Reminder: that's after it was sprayed with alcohol

    The reason I suggested bed bug or close relative is because the insects were covered over with the plastic tape. I'm sure these are bed bug rather than bat/bird bug.

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    Should I take them out of the tape and scan? im no expert but it looks like a BB based on the pictures I have seen. If it is indeed BBs, I still don't know where these hell spawns are hiding. All that I have found have been either on my headboard, on/under my pillow, or by my upper body. Haven't found anything by my lower body although I get bit there on occasion.

    What my headboard looks like:

    https://i.imgur.com/kae1vhm.jpg

    Usually, if not all the time, found them here:

    https://i.imgur.com/Re5jgmQ.jpg

    White spots you see are a combination of dust and my mattress (memory foam).

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    BBbait - 24 minutes ago  » 
    Should I take them out of the tape and scan? im no expert but it looks like a BB based on the pictures I have seen. If it is indeed BBs, I still don't know where these hell spawns are hiding. All that I have found have been either on my headboard, on/under my pillow, or by my upper body. Haven't found anything by my lower body although I get bit there on occasion.
    What my headboard looks like:
    White spots you see are a combination of dust and my mattress (memory foam).

    Can't really see the adult bug because it's hidden within the tape. As I noted above, I believe your bugs are probably the common bed bug.

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    I appreciate your help. I'll take one without the tape when I get home. Do you have any suggestions on how to eliminate these pest from my room? I need all the help I can get being that my brothers don't care a ouch because they aren't getting "bit haha. I have mostly everything out of my room (clothes, etc.), having thoroughly inspected them.

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    I'll bump this one more time. Idk if this post is dead. But a week after 2nd spraying I have found a few bugs. I believe each time they were dead or dying. Last night, I found this on my bed. It was not moving, even after spraying it with alcohol.

    https://i.imgur.com/KjhjSvV.jpg
    https://i.imgur.com/Xl5v0dG.jpg

    Questions: the exterminator used non toxic chemicals to humans during 2nd spraying. Is that normal? We didn't have to leave the house.

    Still trying to find the source of the bugs. I did a very thourough check of my room. Flipped everything over. Looked in every nook and cranny of my bed with a high powered flashlight, even taking the drawers apart. Nothing. What am I to do at this point? Could they be in the walls? How would I go about securing the room from them if they are in the walls?

    They always pop up by my headboard. So that's why I'm convinced it's somewhere behind my bed or underneath it. I just can't spot where they are. Should I tape up all the wholes where the screws are and likewise around the bed? I haven't found anything in these holes but it's worth a shot.

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    Hi Bbbait,
    It sounds like you're seeing fewer bed bugs after the second treatment and having fewer skin reactions, yes? That's great. That suggests treatment is working.

    Have you inspected areas outside your bedroom, like sofas and upholstered chairs? Places where you sit and lounge may be where the harborages are.

    I am not an expert but from what I understand bed bugs aren't going to be harbouring in the walls and coming out to bite you and going back inside the wall. They can harbor near where they feed instead, and that's the most likely place. If you're finding them near a headboard, then they're probably behind the headboard or in the bed somewhere. If you can disassemble it as much as possible to find them, that's great.

    I can't speak to the tape idea but I understand some people have put a dust (like Cimexa or DE) lightly in such a hidden area (screw holes inside furniture), and that might be worth considering.

    Make sure you check your brothers' beds also. People who don't react to bites may think they are not being bitten but they likely are.

    When does the PCO come back? Do you have passive monitors in use? Remember it's unusual to see bed bugs and skin reactions can be delayed or have other causes, so monitors are a good idea.

    To address your earlier question, bed bugs could be coming from your attached neighbors, and they should have a professional inspection.

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    That was a really helpful post and calmed my nerves a bit. I was going to buy some DE and apply it to cracks and around the beds and then caulk up any cracks I see. As for my brothers' beds, it is a bunk. The one that sleeps on top doesn't seem to get bit and his skin is very sensitive to bites so there would have been evidence of bites. The bottom bunk gets bit on occasion. He said he found bites forming today although that could have been before. Their bunk also has captains drawers at the bottom. I've checked both mine and theirs and outside of dust, it's spotless which is why I think they are coming from a crack or behind the beds.

    The closest room is my parents room which is clean as far as we know. They haven't been bitten or anything. We also sprayed in there to make sure there was nothing. Closest furniture I guess is the kitchen and living room but that's far enough away from my room where I doubt they would travel. I do not have any passive monitors (and not quite sure how they work) and I haven't bought any covers yet as I thought the zippered stain covers I have on mine right now would work, but I'm thinking of buying them now (please recommend me a good cover someone!).

    My PCO is rather annoying. He never picks up his phone. You have to leave a few messages for him to call back. I hate to admit it, but we did an under the table deal where he would come back whenever we found something and he's been a nice guy and thorough. It's just getting a hold of him that's a problem. I was hoping he would come back by today (it'll be exactly a week) but hasn't called back yet. Same thing happened with the 2nd spraying so I'm not too worried he's pulling a fast one.

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    BBbait - 1 minute ago  » 
    That was a really helpful post and calmed my nerves a bit. I was going to buy some DE and apply it to cracks and around the beds and then caulk up any cracks I see. As for my brothers' beds, it is a bunk. The one that sleeps on top doesn't seem to get bit and his skin is very sensitive to bites so there would have been evidence of bites.

    You cannot assume that the one who doesn't have skin reactions is not being bitten.
    You cannot assume that the one who does react to insect bites reacts the same way every time.
    Many people don't react to bed bug bites. Some start reacting over time, some never do, and in some cases skin reactions may vary.

    You should only rely on visual evidence to determine if bed bugs are present. Please do not rely on skin reactions to determine if bed bugs are present. You have to believe me on this, it's not a matter of opinion, but a fact.

    It's odd that you aren't finding any fecal stains, but passive bed bug monitors may help you find evidence.

    We have FAQs on bed bug monitors and encasements, among other things.

    The zippered stain mattress cover you have may be providing a harbourage if bed bugs can get in or out. You can remove it and make the bed easier to inspect, or you can use a bed bug encasement. These are two valid approaches. See the encasements FAQ: http://bedbugger.com/bed-bug-encasements/

    We have a FAQ on monitors: http://bedbugger.com/2009/04/23/bed-bug-monitors/

    You may find other FAQs helpful also: http://bedbugger.com/how-to-get-rid-of-bed-bugs-bed-bug-faqs/

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    BTW, Cimexa is recommended by pros more often now, rather than DE, if you're going to but a dust. Yes, apply it to cracks, but maybe not "around the beds"-- you don't want it anywhere it will be disturbed or kicked up.

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    Good luck.

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    Nobugsonme - 16 hours ago  » 

    BBbait - 1 minute ago  » 
    That was a really helpful post and calmed my nerves a bit. I was going to buy some DE and apply it to cracks and around the beds and then caulk up any cracks I see. As for my brothers' beds, it is a bunk. The one that sleeps on top doesn't seem to get bit and his skin is very sensitive to bites so there would have been evidence of bites.

    You cannot assume that the one who doesn't have skin reactions is not being bitten.
    You cannot assume that the one who does react to insect bites reacts the same way every time.
    Many people don't react to bed bug bites. Some start reacting over time, some never do, and in some cases skin reactions may vary.
    You should only rely on visual evidence to determine if bed bugs are present. Please do not rely on skin reactions to determine if bed bugs are present. You have to believe me on this, it's not a matter of opinion, but a fact.
    It's odd that you aren't finding any fecal stains, but passive bed bug monitors may help you find evidence.
    We have FAQs on bed bug monitors and encasements, among other things.
    The zippered stain mattress cover you have may be providing a harbourage if bed bugs can get in or out. You can remove it and make the bed easier to inspect, or you can use a bed bug encasement. These are two valid approaches. See the encasements FAQ: http://bedbugger.com/bed-bug-encasements/
    We have a FAQ on monitors: http://bedbugger.com/2009/04/23/bed-bug-monitors/
    You may find other FAQs helpful also: http://bedbugger.com/how-to-get-rid-of-bed-bugs-bed-bug-faqs/

    I didn't mean it in a sense that there were no BB by their bed. I assumed he wasn't being bit because he's on the top bunk and there's no reason for BB to travel up the bunk when there's someone they can feed off of at the bottom. I'll look out for warning signs for the top bunk though. But I know that there are definitely BB somewhere and they are biting at least one of them. I just have no clue where they ar coming from.

    I know I have BBs, at least they have been IDed as probably being that. I have found bugs throughout the last few weeks, so I know I have them. It's just where these devils are hiding that I can't find. If I understand monitors correctly, the BBs move to the location of the monitor, correct? Would that help me find where they currently are hiding?

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    Hey all, a brief update on my BB problem. I had bought some DE and applied it to my room. I know cimexa is supposed to be better but I just didn't want to wait for it to be shipped in. I applied it everywhere I can think of where they would be hiding or pass by. Baseboards, floor heating, outlets, bed frames, etc. I still got bit last night, and I understand that it takes a few days for you to start seeing a difference but the anxious person in me wanted further investigation.

    I decided to take part of my bed frame apart. I took apart the footboard (if that's what it's called lol) and a panel that leads to my captain's drawers. Found 2 or 3 BBs. Sprayed with some Alcohol, and pretty sure I killed them all. Managed to get one on a piece of tape. I couldn't get the other 2 unfortunately, is it was a tight squeeze. Now that I know that these things are in my bed frame, what's the next step?

    PS: I don't think they were adults. They didn't seem big enough. Maybe 4th stage because they were more brown than transparent. I can upload a picture if anyone would like to see.

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    Always upload a picture to see what bugs you are talking about.


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