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  1. Richard56

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    Posted 8 years ago
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    PACK TITE PORTABLE HEATING UNIT: $300 plus shipping.
    With original timer, box and plastic cover. Used during this past summer as part of bb prep. I probably never had bed bugs so there should be no reasonable concern over contamination, plus the unit more or less decontaminates itself with every use.

    VAPAMORE DRY VAPOR STEAM CLEANER: $200 plus shipping.
    All attachments with original box. Purchased this summer. Used 4-6 times.

    SLUMBERLAND EMERGENCY COT: $40 plus shipping.

    What’s great about this cot is that when folded it fits into the PakTite unit. That means you can fully isolate your beg and not worry that the bed itself is contaminated. I used it for about a week for temporary monitoring in conjunction with ClimbUps.

    BED BUG BEACON $30 (plus shipping) with xtra refill (3 refills total) – Used for 2-3 weeks. $58 value.

    BB ALERT ACTIVE $30 plus shipping
    $55 Value. Never used. With unopened activator Pads, Box/12 pairs

    ClIMB UP INTERCEPTORS. $1-3 each, depending on condition (plus shipping) (If I http://www.usbedbugs.com/Climbup-Insect-Interceptor_p_5.html

    Richard

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    HI Richard, your post went in the spam filter. Sorry about that. (It's not uncommon if you link to multiple commercial sites, or just lots of sites period.)

    Please read this, and if it happens again, please do NOT repost. You basically reinforce the filter's idea that you're a spammer when you post several more times. Thanks!

    I started and run the site but am "not an expert."
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    NB: HI Richard, your post went in the spam filter.
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    In case anyone missed this thread while it was in "spam jail". Bump.

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    Richard..

    i took the liberty of bumping this up.

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    Hi Deedle, Thanks for the bump!

    Richard

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    Richard,

    You have nearly $1,000 worth of bed bug products but claim that you probably never had bed bugs in the first place.

    What made you go out and buy all this stuff? I am just curious.

    Sean

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    Sean,

    I can't speak for Richard obviously, but I don't have bed bugs. However, I am thinking of buying a bunch of stuff as a combination of prevention/"if i ever get them" mode. I'm not sure if it's perhaps overkill and I'm obsessing now, but I'm thinking I'll probably spend about $500 on stuff.

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    I think Richard, at the time "thought" he had bed bugs and panicked and went into overdrive to do whatever he could to get rid of them.

    I think that is why his current posts to newbies is to make sure they confirm before getting treatment and explains that there are many other insects one may be getting bites from or that they may merely be irritations etc etc. He doesn't want people to panic the way he did.

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    You have nearly $1,000 worth of bed bug products but claim that you probably never had bed bugs in the first place.
    What made you go out and buy all this stuff? I am just curious.
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    And I think I got off really cheap compared to some of the stories here! And I'm sure that includes others, who like myself thought they had bed bugs but really didn't.

    So why...

    Like many here I was initially convinced I had bed bugs based on what I later learned to be inconclusive evidence, but at the time seemed pretty conclusive!

    I had blood stains on pillow cases and sheets going back a year. I had intermittent bite marks. There was a musty odor for about a month with no known origin. And there were also "spots" on some of the walls that my initial research led me to believe were fecal smears. But to cap it all off, I found two bugs which I was sure were bed bugs.

    And like many here, I first went through denial. Then panic. And then I pulled it together and developed a plan -- and the more I worked on the plan the calmer I got.

    Everything I read at the time said the "prep" was probably the most important part of a successful treatment. And I had A LOT of prep to do given the amount of clutter, books, papers, etc. And also given the fact that I assumed -- based on the longstanding blood spots and musty odor -- that the infestation had probably gone on for at least a year. I also called several PCO's and got copies of their prep sheets -- because I didn't want my prep to be counter productive to what I was convinced would be a future treatment.

    The PackTite was part of that prep. The steam cleaner was something that allowed me to somehow feel I was doing something during the prep (like killing bugs and eggs!) without doing something that might be counter productive to a future treatment like using chemicals. (I cleared the steam with a couple of the PCO's I thought I might use, as well as the use of DE.)

    The cot was part of a monitoring system (used in conjunction with the ClimbUps) and also a refuge for a couple of days when I felt I needed a haven from the bugs. (My futon on the floor was impossible to isolate (or monitor) plus the cot fit into the PackTite so that I didn't have to worry about it being contaminated. The other monitors were for just that monitoring.

    Toward the end of the prep I had the bugs ID'd by an expert. They turned out to be beetles to my happy amazement! That made me reconsider the other signs.

    I purchased a presumptive blood kit and began testing some of the "fecal smears" on the walls. Turned out they weren't fecal smears at all. So that left the blood spots and the must odor. I wrote off the blood spots to other causes, but the musty odor? And then I saw a mouse run across the room and googled "mice" and low and behold a mouse infestation has a musty odor. One dead mouse later the musty odor disappeared!

    At this point I was coming around to the realization that I didn't have bed bugs. To fully make sure I purchased a couple of BBAlert Passive monitors and after two weeks of no signs, put the PakTite away, starting unbagging clothes, and started going back to a normal life.

    Of course the possibility always exits (maybe 5%) that I did have an infestation and got rid of it via DIY with the prep, vacuuming, steaming, and DE. I say this because the blood spots did magically disappear, but then again I really never did catch anything in any of the monitors. In any event, fortunately that' s all academic.

    So that's the story. So which of the items do you want to buy? (Just so we don't go completely off topic)

    Richard

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    thebedbugresource - 10 hours ago  » 
    Richard,

    You have nearly $1,000 worth of bed bug products but claim that you probably never had bed bugs in the first place.
    What made you go out and buy all this stuff? I am just curious.

    Sean

    Richard56 - 10 hours ago  » 
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    So that's the story. So which of the items do you want to buy? (Just so we don't go completely off topic)
    Richard

    I'm betting Sean already owns most of those items. (I seem to recall that he definitely has a Packtite, even though he's in Canada...and now I'll resist the temptation to grumble about there (generally) being no Packtites in Canada yet...).

    Louise

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    "So that's the story. So which of the items do you want to buy? (Just so we don't go completely off topic)"

    I think Richard was joking around when he wrote this to Sean, maybe?

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    Sleepless in NYC - 37 minutes ago  » 
    "So that's the story. So which of the items do you want to buy? (Just so we don't go completely off topic)"
    I think Richard was joking around when he wrote this to Sean, maybe?

    Yes, I'm sure he was. I just couldn't resist the opportunity to not grumble about Packtites not being available in Canada yet.

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    I am really glad to see that you are now a big spokesperson for getting a positive ID before proceeding with treatment, product purchases, etc.

    Sean

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    BBResource: I am really glad to see that you are now a big spokesperson for getting a positive ID before proceeding with treatment, product purchases, etc.
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    I certainly don’t think anyone should treat prior to positive ID, but I don’t discourage anyone from buying products to help with that process, such as passive or active monitors.

    Even PackTite and Steamers can have some role in the interim period between suspicion and confirmation. For example, before I ruled out bed bugs I was concerned about spreading it to friends and family.

    Of course bringing in a pro might make more sense. But unfortunately there aren’t as many pro’s who really do a good physical inspection as there should be, and the feedback I personally got from pro's regarding physical inspections was not very reassuring. A recent example of similar: http://bedbugger.com/forum/topic/pco-refuses-to-inspect-the-apartmentpco-recommendation-upper-bronxwestcheste

    Richard

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    Hi,

    I thnk this is a message I am starting to see a lot more on two front.

    "show me the bedbugs" or at least the signs before treating - great to avoid uncessary or inappropriate treatments.

    "cost effective confirmations" - I had a very long chat with a journalist recently who did feel she was somewhat up sold through her BB experience. Now she has done more research and is more informed she feels more able to make sensible judgement calls. I have not seen the copy of the article but I have a feeling it will reflect some of this aspect as well as the distress.

    Thankfully I feel we are moving the right direction to get this type of work recognised as a specialist set of skills although it is highlighting the need to modify a lot of processes in the pest management industry.

    Re the PackTite - I personally will let you off that one as a perk of the job and part return for all the hard work you do. We few know the uphill struggle its been.

    David

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    bed-bugscouk: Thankfully I feel we are moving the right direction to get this type of work recognised as a specialist set of skills although it is highlighting the need to modify a lot of processes in the pest management industry.
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    David, The problem for me (and I'm sure others) was getting the information fast enough, not to mention letting it all sink and and digest, all the while under a considerable amount of stress. When you hear nine out of ten PCO's tell you that no one can detect bed bugs through visual inspection, it takes a little time until one believes the few really qualified experts (yourself and KillerQueen as two examples) who tell you that you really want to see the bugs (or the signs) before treating and will go to lengths to confirm an infestation. The whole bed bug thing definitely is a specialized series of skills as you put it, and especially the inspection.

    As I've said before, I think the inspection process is at least equally (if not more important) than the treatment.

    Richard

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    okay...i just woke up from a little nappy-poo but my mind is having difficulty understanding these words of David Cain: "Re the PackTite - I personally will let you off that one as a perk of the job and part return for all the hard work you do. We few know the uphill struggle its been."

    Can someone please explain to this befuddled and groggy worked-from-early-even-tho- its-a holiday-but-took-an-usual-afternoon-nap-and-now-feel-like-i'm-hungover brain?

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    Hi,

    To clarrify, I was saying Re packtite that Sean has been a campion of the cause of communication and deserves a rare perk in a hard job.

    I am actually very Pro Packtite as a tool when you have an infestation and as a resource for those who travel and want to be certain they dont bring something home. I was just saying the other day to someone that to live out of a PackTite is actually the wrong way to use it. I would rather see people strip naked at the door while standing in a box to ensure they dont bring something back from a 5 minute trip to the corner store for milk than to immediate launch themselves into a PackTite frenzy. Its about sensible use of tools and resources.

    With regards getting the right information in the right order since you strike me as a logical thinker can I nominate you to the refurb sub committee and request a written suggestion of how you can better get the message through clearly. It may be that that post helps us all communicate better to get you to the right place sooner. Its difficult sometimes to see things through new eyes when you spend so long looking at one issue.

    Not that I am close minded just rather focused.

    Maybe I need to set up a colony webcam to help bust the myth that they are not visible (OK only joking on that one).

    DeedleBeedle I was just showing support for Sean as others seemed grumpy that he had one and they did not. I know as well as he that it takes time to get things approaved for other countries and that an evaluation unit cant be sold on, if it could be may have retired by now. Nothing to worry about either way.

    David

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    bed-bugscouk: With regards getting the right information in the right order since you strike me as a logical thinker can I nominate you to the refurb sub committee and request a written suggestion of how you can better get the message through clearly.
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    What I meant was that one is hit with let's call it "misinformation overload" when initally researching this topic.

    Therefore it takes awhile for the good information (like we get here from you and others) to seep through all the bad. It's not that you aren't doing a good job of getting the information through to us, it's just that the industry as a whole (not to mention the media) isn't doing a very good job.

    The long term solution therefore is to re-educate the entire PCO industry, because that is who most of us turn to first, including the journalists. I think this is in sync with your thinking and I know you go one further by promoting consumer self-education in this topic. I applaud (and have taken advantage of) those efforts, but again it takes awhile for things to get through all the misinformation out there, especially at a time of so much stress. Hope this makes sense.

    Richard

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    Hi David..

    oh...i get it!

    I use the PT like that....strip at door...maybe not after a 5 minute trip to the store, but certainly upon coming back from somewhere questionable, like when i went to the beauty salon yesterday (it's questionable whether they were successful -- wonder if there's a cause of action for that)....just stripped at door (well..inside, of course)...had already moved PT closer to the front door, chucked those things in and cranked her up....me to shower...

    Are there people living out of their PTs? Good grief, i didn't realize that. I just always am sure to PT everything i get back from the cleaners and laundry.

    i just love my PT and although i haven't seen a bb in months (Hey! i must be getting better because i can't remember if it's almost two months or almost 3 months)..i know i'll continue to use the PT as a preventative measure.

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    Hi Richard,

    I dont think you will get anyone dissagree to more educate int he PCO side of things but in the mean time the faster solution might be to educate consumers.

    A few years ago someone asked for a single point on condensed information that takes 5 - 15 minutes to read. In response I wrote http://www.bedbugbeware.com as a website and then subsequently as a book with a little more detail on things that would over clutter a website. If you want to think about how that can be made clearer and better promoted as a resource let me know.

    Like many things its short on resources of a monetary nature and more rich in access to conent but input is always appreciated.

    David

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    As for the forums' role in this, I think a lot of people would be better served if we all did more to encourage them to read the FAQs first, rather than simply asking questions off the bat.

    And the same goes for well-meaning people whose response to a newcomer is to rattle off their own "what worked for me" list, even if that is not what is being solicited in the request.

    The FAQs are not perfect and are always in the process of review and improvement, but for people in the earliest stages, they do advise against most pitfalls (treatment without confirmation, bombs and foggers, vaseline on the bed legs, tossing out, "cleaning" and prepping before the PCO sees the situation and confirms evidence, and so on).

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    Richard,

    Have you tried the steamer to do house cleaning? They can rock at that and could be worth keeping for cleanups.

    We have a little Shark steam mop and I prefer that to anything on cleaning the kitchen floor.

    Jim

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    Jim,

    Yeah, sort of on the fence selling wise, with both the steamer and PakTite.

    Found the steamer very useful during my prep, but a hassle for normal cleaning. Unlike your your steam mop which looks really easy to setup and use, the Vapamore Canister is more like an Octopus and requires more setup time, not to mention storage space. Like with the PakTite, figure I could always buy another should a problem or need arise, such as traveling which I'm currently not very doing much of.

    Richard

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    bed-bugscouk - 1 week ago  » 

    DeedleBeedle I was just showing support for Sean as others seemed grumpy that he had one and they did not.
    David

    Ack! I hope that's not how I came across! That certainly wasn't my intent. I don't begrudge ANYONE a Packtite (even in Canada...heck, especially in Canada!), and certainly not someone like Sean who is doing so much to educate the masses on All Things Bed Bug.

    I'm just grumpy that I don't have one.

    Sigh.

    Selfish, I know.

    Louise

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    Well, first I'd like to thank "thebedbugresource" (Sean) for going off topic (and the others that followed off topic) therefore giving the thread way more life than it would have gotten otherwise! And second, like to remind everyone that the original topic of this thread (scroll way up to the top) was that I had some useful bed bug fighting items for sale. They are still for sale. So if interested, send me a PM, or continue to post off topic and keep this thread alive! I am not only prepared to rehash my motivations/rationale for buying (then selling) the equipment but will be happy to discuss other lingering issues such as early childhood influences; why I watch "Glee"; do the Giants have any chance against the Eagles on Sunday; and/or my thoughts on how Canadians must feel being next door neighbors to such a Packtite superpower.

    Richard

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    Richard56 - 5 hours ago  » 
    Well, first I'd like to thank "thebedbugresource" (Sean) for going off topic (and the others that followed off topic) therefore giving the thread way more life than it would have gotten otherwise! And second, like to remind everyone that the original topic of this thread (scroll way up to the top) was that I had some useful bed bug fighting items for sale. They are still for sale. So if interested, send me a PM, or continue to post off topic and keep this thread alive! I am not only prepared to rehash my motivations/rationale for buying (then selling) the equipment but will be happy to discuss other lingering issues such as early childhood influences; why I watch "Glee"; do the Giants have any chance against the Eagles on Sunday; and/or my thoughts on how Canadians must feel being next door neighbors to such a Packtite superpower.
    Richard

    Okay, this made me (quite literally) laugh out loud. "Packtite superpower."

    Good one!

    Louise
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    Richard, I'll take your best climb-ups @ $3/each plus shipping. I have a few that have cracked and picture our family using these forever. I had already won the CO2 monitors and ordered a Packtite. I'm leaning towards the $500 White Wing steamer.

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    I love my packtite (used it for an infestation and will continue with preventative measures). It's great for shoes, backpacks, luggage, new purchases and also for carpet beetles. The best $300 I've spent.

    Now I'm considering a steamer for general house cleaning and future spot treatments if needed.

    Not sure which one to buy yet...still researching.


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