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Fecal ID! Happy Monday

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  1. moenine9

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    Hi,

    Can you please post a link to an example images from this site you feel your sample looks similar to.

    Otherwise this is start to feel like a multiple choice scenario where we are randomly answering the questions without reading them.

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    Tue Sep 3 2019 5:46:01
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    I’m sorry- it looks like felt tip marker spots on the blanket. What makes them not even close to bedbug fecal? Is it the way it bleeds into the fabric? I thought fecal would do that..

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    I guess I am not sure what you mean by your response that it starts to feel like a multiple choice scenario? In comparing pictures to the pictures on this site looks like the spots bleed in the same direction as the fabric. They did not smear from what I could tell however given the nature of fabric, I thought fecal would absorb into the fabric? It’s a knit blanket. The blanket had several of these black marks which is why I posted as many images as I did.

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    David- your thoughts would be appreciated...

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    Hi,

    I have asked you to post some images to illustrate which example images you feel are like the ones you have posted because I am not aware of any.

    Your accuracy of what is faecal has shown zero improvement and therefore I can only conclude that giving you feedback on the images you have posted is clearly not working. Its a bit like answering multiple choice questions at random without studying for a test. While you may surprise yourself by the lack of progress with such a strategy it will not shock those of us who have been around for a while.

    I am therefore keen to avoid having to reply to "monday/tuesday/thursday/anyday " random could this by bedbug related if you squint and stand on one leg while holding your breath and want to see how we can encourage you to actually look at the example images and compare them before posting to validate something you should be working out on your own. Equally you should be beyond the stage of feeding your monsters by looking at every random spec of dirt.

    Now I will ask again, post images of known faecal you think look like this if for no other reason that to illustrate you are reading up on the subject rather than just machine gunning us with ID's.

    David

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    I understand- I did as you suggested and went back to look at the images. While from what I can tell bedbug fecal does absorb into the material- the spot is not resting enough above the fabric to be fecal? It’s to absorbed into the material.

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    Hi,

    Please re read what I have said.

    As you have not posted links I cant agree with you having done as I have said.

    Only through talking you through the differences between two images can I highlight what makes each different. I need to see precisely where you blockage on this issue comes in in order to fix it.

    David

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    I see what you mean- I had trouble identifying a photo that looks like the images above. They simply don’t rest on the fabric as I’d expect. I did find this today however and the next picture is fecal that I believe looks similar but not exact enough to make me think that mark is fecal. The mark I found does sit above the fabric and when wiped away left a stain underneath that looks similar to the lighter brown stain on the compared photo. It is not a perfect sphere but is dark in the center. It also bleeds a little bit into the surrounding fabric. However it is a sheet so I don’t imagine it wouldnt bleed very much on a super tight weave fabric.

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    Fri Sep 6 2019 6:12:45
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    Hi,

    If you cant find example images that look like the stains you are posting pictures of then the Occam's razor of the situation is you are not taking pictures of faecal.

    If you cant illustrate an example that looks like what you have in front of you then by all means post to seek confirmation of your belief that its not but to post appearing to think it is, only drains resources. We want to see people make progress and get issues both real infestations and not bedbugs under control

    The analogy would be as simple as feeding people or teaching them how to fish.

    The new images are not faecal but the link you shared gives the answers.

    For your own sake STOP reading sensational info sites about bedbugs and crap articles. You do not get good at things by reading sections from this and that and anything that moves. You get good at things by reading quality sources and information which is accurate and curated. In the bedbug world that sadly means you need to restrict your reading to:

    bedbugger.com
    bedbugbeware.com
    bed-bugs.co.uk

    works by:

    Lou Sorkin
    Stephen Doggett
    Richard Naylor
    Me

    Yes its not a big list but it will at least preserve the sanity that's left by not feeding anxiety monsters with sensational presentation of partial facts.

    David

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    Thank you David. I really appreciate your input. I will ensure I compare photos before posting and if feel like I found something that is similar to a photo of fecal I’ll include the picture as well. Would it be alright to ask another question- I understand that any signs of bedbugs is most often then not on the bed itself and frame. However, for infestations you move into where the home has been empty- would they hide in the baseboards/floors given any furniture hiding places are removed? In order to maximize my detection skills and be able to appropriately monitor- is there anyway to search along the baseboards (no carpet just hardwood floors but big gaps in baseboards) without ripping them up? For instance using a card to swipe in there- could that work in detecting them? I know the reality is to just focus on the bed but the baseboards are really the o my thing I haven’t been able to inspect. Would I see fecal outside of them if they were harboring in them? I will admit it’s situations like that, where I can’t inspect that feeds my anxiety.

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    Fri Sep 6 2019 7:28:30
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    Hi,

    In such a scenario you look for where the bed was and visually inspect that area. If nothing is found then you monitor the bed and focus all attention on that because so long as the bed is not isolated or blocked off with some ineffective obstacle course the beds if present will return to it in preference to the other places.

    The situation is more accurately "your lack of understanding of the issues feeds anxiety where non needs to be". The solution is to understand the issue rather than fill in huge gaps between facts with assumption and fiction.

    It is more likely given the lack of any confirming signs that you are "settling in" to the new property and your immune system is adapting. We also see this kind of biological adaption in late stags of pregnancy.

    You should be relying on monitoring and keeping a normal routine in acknowledgement that if you allow yourself to do so you get drawn into bedbugs in a way that is not particularly healthy. Its up to you to break that cycle if you want to.

    David

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    You are right and I do want to. I’m taking steps to figure out other causes by seeing a dermatologist. We have been living in this house for two months now- I wonder at what time are bodies would adjust. My son wakes up almost every day with 1-4 new marks on him. But I imagine with that frequency it wouldn’t be hard to find evidence at this point?

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    With this frequency/timespan you would have a lot more bites per night by now. Otherwise there would be a scenario without eggs --> about 5-7 female or 5-7 male bugs (a convent).

    I second David. Stop worrying. There are no bb.

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    1-4 may have been very generous of me. These are some of his bites. A few of the photos are from the same marks over time. But he also gets big red itchy marks that I am chalking up to be mosquitos. But he is covered head to toe in marks. Also had an itchy red mark on his earloab on the back. As you can see he has numerous mark which is why it’s been distressing as a parent. All itchy.

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    moenine9 - 2 hours ago  » But I imagine with that frequency it wouldn’t be hard to find evidence at this point?

    The problem is you don't seem to believe this.
    You are wasting time chasing something that isn't there, this is not helping you or your child.

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    BigDummy - 3 minutes ago  » 
    You are wasting time chasing something that isn't there, this is not helping you or your child.

    I get the feelings its more trying to find data to support a hypothesis rather than evaluating evidence to work out what is there, its why we keep coming back to skin reactions and ignoring the many posts about why that is a basic mistake.

    David

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    Actually I agree with the doctors appointment. I’m not sure that those are bites.


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