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  1. eubitten

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    Posted 6 months ago
    Wed Nov 21 2018 18:22:25
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    Hi All,

    I'm from EU, and in my country the treatment options are very limited (i.e.can't even buy monitoring traps for bed legs, not to mention cimexa etc. ...).

    Most PCOs here either don't know what to use (they just use the same stuff as for cockroaches) or use ulv misting, which as I understand is not the best option of you do not want the problem to spread to your neighbours.

    Recently I've heard in the news of one company using a product called Provecta with something they are calling "3D-IPNS - Immobilizing Polymeric Network Structure". According to their website, it's physical mode of action. First I thought it's some kind of silica gel, but the website states that "causes the external mechanical immobilization of the pests, which inhibits their ability to feed, resulting in a significant reduction of their population". So it's like a glue, basically ? It also says that it contains "Polyalkyleneoxide modified heptamethyltrisiloxane" so maybe this is more helpful.

    Has anyone had any contact with a similar product and can say anything about it's efficiency or at least shed some light on what this could be?

    The product site is
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  2. Sleepless2

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    Posted 6 months ago
    Wed Nov 28 2018 14:29:58
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    Hey there,
    A quick search on the net shows the safety sheet and some info about it´s use in agriculture. Its a surfactant, which means it reduces surface tension of a liquid. There also seems to be a lot of contradictory information between the data sheet and the commercial notes given with this product. I have a science background and I can´t work out it´s mode of action. It is available for use in the US aswell. So I definately wouldn´t let anyone use this product in my home or on my belongings.
    If its available in the US and they dont use it for bedbugs, why should someone in the EU?´
    Cos they don´t know what they´re doing. And you do not want these people in your home.
    I am also in the EU - Spain - and it is tremendously difficult to get good useful action/products here.

    I know this is not a "legal" thing to do. But in the past I asked a friend in the US to buy Cimexa and send it to me. It got through fine. I had first tried with a US shipping co, but it got rejected at customs. You can purchase it on amazon.com and pay and put in a US address and then your friend can send it over. There really is a gap in the market for someone to do this for us unfortunate Europeans, or anyone anywhere else in the world who does not have access to these products.

    Another suggestion I have for you and one that I may do myself, is buy the Polti steamer yourself. It shouldn´t be more than 600 euros in Europe. They make it in Italy and you can put notices up in your area/set up a facebook group for people who have bedbugs, join together, buy one and share it´s use. In the long run this may be more cost effective and work better than letting people who do not know what they´re doing make the problem worse.

    This is the second time Ive had bedbugs and the first time we used 5 different companies, each as useless as the last. Stored stuff and moved to get away from the problem. Now I have them again - (probably picked up from the storage place) am in a different city- but nobody knows anything I showed one company a bedbug I found and they told me it was a baby germanica cockroach. Then they pretended they sent it out to a special lab to check what it was and the result came back as cockroach. When I know and my 2 biologist friends know having all looked at it under a microscope that it was 100% bedbug.

    I could rant about this for hours. I won´t. I´m sorry about your problem. Id look at self treating if you can. Good luck.

  3. bed-bugscouk

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    Posted 6 months ago
    Thu Nov 29 2018 7:00:07
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    Hi,

    I was just posting elsewhere that the EU actually has better self treatment options than the rest of the world so in many respects you are luckier than most.

    If you have the bu8dget getting a Polti Cimex Eradictaor is worth it but its not essential, however, I will controversially say than no steamer is better than using a sub optimal one.

    I would have a look at the documents I have written called TbyPMR which will outline the basis of the level of work you need to put into the project and outlines a simple cost effective method, it runs to about $25 per room and 2-3 hours of work per room over a 14 day period.

    I would also be cautious of the term "silica gel" as this is a trade term for a range of products which is often used as smoke screen to hide what it actually is. In my extensive research I have found products with similar properties but given that their use in lab tests show no significant improvement over what we already do I cant justify the costs of getting it approved (circa $45,000).

    The protocols will also help you to understand how people get bed bugs and thus how to disrupt that infestation cycle.

    Hope that helps.

    David Cain
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    Posted 6 months ago
    Thu Nov 29 2018 16:18:04
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    Hi! Ive just read the document you talk about. It is useful. Im interested why you say that the EU has better self treat options. Apart from the Polti steamer being Italian and therefore cheaper than the US.. I really don´t feel this. This is not my experience.
    There´s nothing here!
    We can´t get any heating boxes. That I am aware of, there are no commercially available heat boxes outside of the States. (We tried to make a chamber once 2m x 2m. It was pretty good, but the key was in how you pack. It seemed to work better with racks and it´s not easy to find a place to keep and maintain it viable without a dedicated space). Our products suck. Only pyrethroid pesticides and a bendiocarb powder. None of which work very well. No Cimexa. No rag in a bag options.
    There is only steaming that´s effective and I feel that in our crumbly old houses filled with old wood and tile, that alone won´t get them. Lower levels of awareness. Lots of things make me think, sorry? what? We have good self treat options? Please if you have a couple of minutes, can you explain why you say this, cos maybe this new info could make some difference in my current battle.
    A thousand thanks David. I really do appreciate the amount of time and effort you put into the work that you do.

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    Posted 6 months ago
    Thu Nov 29 2018 17:05:46
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    Hi,

    The advantage comes from the phrase "necessity is the mother of invention". I tackle bed bug issues with only the following four tools:

    • The Polti
    • About 2g of DE per bed
    • A Passive+ Monitor per bed

    I stopped trying to make chemical insecticides work many years ago so cant get upset about the lack of products that don't work anyway.

    Yes we don't have PackTite and that is a shame but given that I started as a bed bug specialist before it was available in the US I know the job can be done without it.

    So yes we don't have the false promise of magic bullets but that means people are encouraged to do quality work rather than "slap dash spray and prey". We are also used to having to get on with things do the work in a way that the Northern US would usually pick up the phone and call in the help. That means that we are culturally better prepared and invariably better psychologically prepared.

    So rather than "There´s nothing here!" I would argue that we have everything we need to sucessfully deal with the problem and in fact by using a more simplistic method and approach we are actually resolving issues fatsre than services in the US. At the end of the day speed of clearance and resolution is what we all want, this is why you are better self treating in the EU than the US.

    David


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