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  1. bbee1

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    Please help ID the spots on ceiling:
    First a bit of history: had BB infestation and were heat treated once at the end of April. Still bit and looking for evidence. Found some spots on the ceiling just outside of the bedrooms, near a sprinkler cap. Looked attached tight to the wall. Swiped one and it smeared.

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    Posted 8 years ago
    Wed Aug 17 2011 12:47:15
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    Try the link you uploaded. I click it and see nothing.

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    Two men from pest control company came this morning. They asked where the spots are and I pointed to them the spots on the ceiling. They did not even get a close look and said: No, they cannot be BB spots because ALL the fecal spots should be in the bedroom, within 5 feet of the host. I said maybe usually they are but sometimes they might not, especially I have sealed all the crevices in the bedroom. But they said ALL THE CASES. I then suggested them to wipe it to see if they smear but they refused Then they left, within 5 minutes after they arrived. I am deeply disappointed. The spots may seem a small thing to them but for us, it might be the very evidence we have been looking for for months. What do I do now?!

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    BBee, I hope you didn't pay them anything! Obviously that company has absolutely NO IDEA what they are talking about. It is possible to find BB activity ANYWHERE in the house. Hell, I have even found them in kitchens, that weren't even close to a bedroom. I suggest you get another companies opinion, if even by phone.

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    Can anybody let me know if the link (the last one) works? I clicked on it and it went there.

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    bbee1 - 7 minutes ago  » 
    Can anybody let me know if the link (the last one) works? I clicked on it and it went there.

    It works.

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    Thanks, DustinBBkiller! I feel the same about them--they'd better get trained before they come out to inspect.
    The problem is that this company is the contracted company of the landlord. If I use other company, I have to pay everything myself. I saw that Terminix is offering for free BB inspections--does it worth of trying?

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    DustinBBkiller
    I saw you are actually a PCO. Can you judge from the pictures if the black spots are fecal matters of BB? They were not there when they heat treated the apartment so they are something new.

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    bbee1 - 17 minutes ago  » 
    Thanks, DustinBBkiller! I feel the same about them--they'd better get trained before they come out to inspect.
    The problem is that this company is the contracted company of the landlord. If I use other company, I have to pay everything myself. I saw that Terminix is offering for free BB inspections--does it worth of trying?

    That may be the problem right there. I'm sorry but here in MN i'm seeing more and more of these landlords with "their guys" coming out and doing treatments, and failing. Hence the reason I'm so busy. You could try Terminix. I honestly know nothing of the "big box companies" (Orkin, Plunketts, Terminix). My thought is, inspections are never free Good luck.

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    bbee1 - 1 minute ago  » 
    DustinBBkiller
    I saw you are actually a PCO. Can you judge from the pictures if the black spots are fecal matters of BB? They were not there when they heat treated the apartment so they are something new.

    It's hard for me to tell from pictures. I do, frequently, see activity on the wall/ceiling joints. Did you say that was near a sprinkler head? If so then it is likely fecal spots. Honestly though, I can't say for sure
    Sorry!

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    Thank you DustinBBkilller--I wish we were living in MN.
    Could you let me know what an average cost for an inspection is?

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    It will range anywhere from $69-$149 in these parts. I can't speak for other parts of the country though. During my inspections, if I find activity my inspection fee is just pro-rated into the treatment cost. I'm sure other companies do the same.

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    Hi,

    As long as you have not used aerosol insecticides ceilings are not common places to find bedbugs.

    Having looked at these images if the 3 close dots are the same as the others close to the sprinklers I would say its a no to bedbugs. The 3 in a triangle are almost certainly not bedbugs but the slight off focus of the others means I cant be more accurate.

    It is not the location that makes things likley to be bedbugs if the appearance and characteristics of what you see. I have been called in with blue lights flashing to inspect things in hotel rooms close to smoke detectors which turned out to be drops from a shaken bottle of cola.

    I would strongly advise you to start looking more scientifically at this and invest in a passive monitor so you at least have a clear target surface to check for faecal marks.

    Hope that helps.

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    Thanks, David!
    Actually I have installed a BB Alert on my bed. Since I have encased my boxspring and I am worried it might be difficult to get the Alert off (when there is evidence!), I have first put on some blue Duct tape and then put the Alert on the tape--will the tape repel them? I have put it on the head side of the boxspring--is this a good spot to put it? Do you think I should try to relocate it to the ceiling where the black spots were found?

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    This is the update on the fecal spots on my ceiling...
    The pest control guy insists they are just dust. They are saying that I can can request a DNA testing of the fecal matter. This DNA testing will cost between ?$375 - $400 and I need to pay this myself. I don't know why testing the fecal spots can "genetically" determine the bed bugs. Anybody has a clue?

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    Hi,

    There is a thread on DNA testing here:

    http://bedbugger.com/forum/topic/dna-testing

    From a technical perspective PCR on whole blood is notoriously difficult due to the amplification inhibitors which are present in blood.

    David

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    Thank you David for directing me to the posts about DNA testing. From what I have read, the price for such a test should not exceed $100. I don't know why the company contracted with the landlord is going to charge $375-400! Also I am wondering how successful it is to do a q-PCR on the fecal spots?


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