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  1. geky

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    Hi,
    I slept in a heavily infested room in Italy ans a day later I realised I was bitten by bed bugs (severe bites, 38 just on my hands....)
    I got an allergic reaction so I had to visit a doctor and get some medication.
    I didnt know anything about bed bugs, so I was slow to react: I only changed room a day after my bites, I just moved my things to the new room without any precaution.
    The second day I did some research so I tool the following measures:
    Bought plastic rubbish bags, on arriving back home I put my coat, jacket and luggage in the plastic bags and tied them.
    Then entered the car, removed my shoes and socks and also bagged them in rubbish bags.
    On arriving home I took the rest of my clothes off put them in a bag, tied it and then proceeded to the shower directly.
    After the shower I used my iphone for 10 minutes (it was originally placed in a bag), then I again put it in a ziplock bag.
    The day after (today 6 April 2013)I threw away all suitcases that were in the infested room and also all the clothes I had with me in that trip to Italy.
    I put all personal items in ziplock bags, transferred them from the black big rubbish bags into individual ziplock transparent bags (wallet, ipad, travelling document, papers, credit cards, laptop, cables, power supplies, everything).
    Do you think I have don enough to avoid infestation?
    My second question;
    I dont know what to do to disinfect the items in the sealed transparent bags.
    I have read a lot of information but: I dont have a dryer that works, I cannot put my items in the washing machine at 60 degrees C, freezing may not be accurate because I dont know if my freezer will keep constant temps below -18 Deg C.
    Could you please help? Eventually I need to use my laptop for work on monday including its cables and power supply.
    What I could use are: Oven with setting of 50, 80, 100 deg C, place ziplock bags on top of radiators (water inside the radiators run at 50+ deg C). Could you suggest something that may be done given my resources?
    Third question: If I leave most of the items inside the ziplock bags, is there a method that I can quickly check (within 24 hours) whether there are any bugs residing in the items? What are the chances that eggs have been laid inside (ipad, laptop, iphone) or on top of my items? Any method to check for eggs? Any way to kill the eggs while the items are still in the ziplocked bagd?
    Please please help me! If I get the bugs at home I am facing a life of continuous treatment for bites.... I am really allergic to them (doctor said that she never saw anything like it before and she is sending me to a dermatologist on Monday)...

  2. geky

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    Update 1
    I am particularly worried about the iphone ans ipad, I had them both on the bed I was bitten for the while night + I read this article:
    http://www.pctonline.com/pct1212-bed-bugs-tablet-cases.aspx

    The morning after my first night, I just put the ipad in my luggage and the iphone in my pocket and went to work.

    The second night that I slept in a different room I think I was bitten again but cannot be sure, could have been late reaction marks on existing bites.

    I am paranoid cause on Saturday 6 April (I returned at home on Friday 5 April as described above) around midday I started to have itchiness on my ear and there was another bite there!! I cannot know if that bite occurred during my stay in Italy or on the way back due to infested clothes, or if it occurred at my house on Friday night, probably a bed bug in the iphone that bit me when I used the iphone on Friday night...

    In any case I am planning to call the PC company on Monday.
    Do you think that if I treat now rather than wait for evidences, I could have more chances of success? My assumption is that there cant be too many bed bugs in my house after all the precautions I took, thus I should have a higher % of success chances.

    Also I assume I should treat also my car, I was in it to drive home from the airport and the tied black rubbish bags stayed in it for about 24 hours

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    Im not an expert but its hard for an expert to identify a new infestation. Continue to read the faqs on this site. Passive monitors on your bed, sofa, car seat and office chair might make sense.

    You could still be having delayed bites.

    Some experts won't read all of a long post, so if you don't get a response, try again on Monday...use spaces between paragraphs, number your questions, and limit discussions of bite reactions or put it last.

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    Indeed I didnt get any other reactions yet.
    Its a pity because in such an early stage I may be able by taking the right steps to avoid infestation, or wipe it out at this critical first few days.

    So please if there is any expert out there help me.
    I am seriously allergic to the bites!

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    Not every visit to an infested hotel room will result in your bringing home bed bugs.

    Bed bugs seem to prefer wood and fabrics over the hard surfaces inside electronics. Some people "inspect" electronics by vacuuming them or using air blowers.

    Many items like papers can be visually inspected (clear surface, good light, wet wipes for picking off bugs you find).

    You may not have a dryer, but (for items that can handle it) there's probably one near your home (like at a public laundry). Go easy on the heat. 125-130F, given sufficient time to penetrate, will kill with minimal or no damage to the goods.

    Here are hints on how to eliminate bed bugs from things other than furniture and what to do if you experience bed bugs in travel.

    Take the article you linked to with a lot of salt. It was written to promote some PCO's fumigation service. As noted by the writer, bed bugs were primarily found in the cases, not the tablets themselves.

    While bed bugs are unpleasant and can be tedious and costly to eliminate, you are not condemned to a lifetime with them.

    Thou shalt not be afraid for the terror by night...
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    Thank you so much for your nice words and information.

    I spoke to the PMC (Rentokil). Unfortunatelly over here in Holland the bed bug problem is not taken too seriously thus I think the PMCs are not too well equipped to take care of the issues.

    They told me that I should wait to get bit first then decide for a treatment of my house.
    They do thermal and chemical treatment combination.

    I asked to have the chemical treatment as a start (before getting a definite bite), they said that there is a risk that the bugs will just escape to adjacent units to avoid the insecticide.
    I asked them to treat my car, they said they are not sure because it could damage it.

    They seemed very confident in the thermal treatment (elevating the room temps into 65 C). I ve read that this approach is bound to spread the bugs in adjacent units cause they have the time to escape the rising temps.

    This is it in a nut-case, I dont think I can trust their advise, it seems contradicting to what I read in this forum.

    What do you think?

    A question about freezing:
    I read that it requires minimum -18 C core temp for 4 days to kills all life stages.
    In the article you suggested it states -5 C. Any idea why the difference?

    Last question:
    My may concern is that I drove 40 minutes with clothes that were not disinfected (trousers, shirt, underwear) everything else I took of and bagged in rubbish bags before entering the car.
    I also had the iphone unpacked charging in my car and then 10 mins talking at home.

    Do you think that I have minimised my exposure risk enough?

    I am well pissed on the hotel that did not offer any disinfection treatment before leaving from there.

    Very very grateful for your help and answers.

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    And something funny:

    The PMC specialist told me that female bugs need to eat every 7-8 days to produce eggs, thus I should wait that long and if I get bitten then start any treatment.
    I asked: How about the males? He said males don't bite......

    By the way, how long without bites gives a certainty that you have no bedbugs?
    Is 1 month lets say enough? Assuming that one may have transported only eggs with him?

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    Hi,

    You need to forget reading other sources and focus on the FAQ's here, much of the information you have quoted is inaccurate, especially the stuff by PMC who actually appear worse in Holland than they are in the UK and I thought that was almost impossible.

    As has been stated already not all exposures in hotels result in the problem being brought home with you.

    You need to leave the items sealed until you know your home is OK and then processes them based on the info in the FAQ's.

    You also need to watch the video in the FAQ's on travel inspection to make sure that you avoid this issue in the future. A 5 minute check can save you all this hassle in future.

    I would certainly not be rushing into treating your home until you know there is an issue and that can only be done by finding:

    • Live samples
    • Cast skins
    • Faecal traces

    Hope that helps.

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    Hello David,

    Thank you very much for the voice of rationale, I really need that this period.
    Also thank you for your advise.

    My main concern is the car that I have used a few times. If only I had a way to disinfect the car then I would further minimise the chances that I get the bedbugs back in the house.

    The PCM was very vague on the possibility to treat the car...

    Are there any products that I can buy to treat the car myself (I assume chemicals with residue effect)?
    Would there be any health risk using the car after a certain period?

    If necessary I would treat the car and lock it for a month if that assures that all potential bugs in it are killed.

    My kindest,
    Geky

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    Hi,

    In my 11 year experience issues with vehicles are really not that common.

    I advise people who are concerned to get out, roll your sleeves up and clean the car to a forensic level and then replace the vacuum cleaner bag. This should be done by you and you only as a service will not necessarily do it to the level that is needed.

    You can also use Passive Monitors in vehicles for early detection, there is more information if you search the forum or go through to my website.

    Glad the calming voice of reason struck the right cord.

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    Thank you David!

    I am planning to do that tomorrow.
    Apart from vacuuming all possible areas in the car, do I need to do something extra?
    Such as: Liquids for the steering wheel and dashboard? Windows? Or just concentrate to vacuum the carpets and seats?

    After vacuuming do you suggest any product to be sprayed? DE maybe? Something else?

    This is the site I have found in Holland that sells online products:
    http://www.wandluis.nl/index.php?item=wandluis-producten&action=page&group_id=20&lang=NL

    Would you suggest any of those for the after vacuuming car treatment?

    By the way I asked Rentokil about your passive monitors and they said something along the lines that its not a good idea yet...

    I ve really lost faith in them after 5 minutes of talking to them.

    Thanks so much for taking the time to answer me

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    Hello,

    I found this product that uses the following chemicals: permethrin en tetramethrin
    http://www.wandluis.nl/index.php?item=luxan&action=article&group_id=20&aid=154&lang=NL

    Do you think its any good?

    Kindest greetings

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    Hi,

    No products needed, vacuum or steam and focus on physical removal of what is essentially a low risk anyway.

    There is no point in using a product when its not needed.

    Well your comment is better than the one I had in 2009 where they said "we are in the business of treating infestations not detecting them" and I can assure you that came from someone a lot more senior than you spoke to.

    Now if you do choose to monitor the advantage will be that if there is something present it will move into the monitor when treatment may be as simple as bagging the monitor and repeating the cleaning. Now I hope the light has just gone on in your mind to make it clear why they answered the way that they did. If it remains clear then you know the vehicle is clear and can get life back to normal sooner.

    All that said of the two locations I would advocate home monitoring over vehicle if you are tight on funds but if PMC fees are similar in Holland to the UK all that I have suggested is likley to be less than 5% of what you have been quoted.

    You also have a huge advantage in that its not hard to tempted me to take a weekend break in Amsterdam so if you are close and do have a problem you can always tempt me over with an offer of coffee.

    David

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    Thank you David,

    Well, we have not yet discussed any quotations.

    They did say though that they use passive monitors but for some reason they were not yet recommending for my case.

    They will call me back tomorrow.

    I will insist on installing passive monitors and see what they have to say.

    Could you please send me a link where I can read about passive monitors? How they work etc?

    I really hope that I wont need your expertise in Holland, i.e. I will be so happy that there would be no bedbugs in my house.
    In that case I would however buy you several pints at a bar of your choosing

    In the unfortunate case that I have an infestation, I will def. contact you

    Best ever greets

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    Hi,

    They use what they call passive monitors but they do not use Passive Monitors, the term when correctly used refers to a product of a specific and scientific design and is covered by multiple patents which are held by me. I would know if they use the product and I can assure you they don't.

    There is information on them and how they work available on the links below:

    http://www.bed-bugs.co.uk/bedbugpassivemonitors.html
    http://www.bed-bugs.co.uk/bedbugslimitedadvancededucational.html#Application

    As I said from a senior European management perspective "they are in the business of treating not detecting". Sadly in the UK we have noted that this extends to treating without confirming and on a few occasions being the source of an infestation through the delivery of thermal equipment to homes that previously did not have bedbugs. I would hope that enough lessons have been learned that they no longer make these mistakes but turning oil tankers takes time.

    Thanks for the offer of beer but I don't drink so it may just be pointing me towards your local coffee bar for a few double espresso's or some mint leaf tea.

    hopefully however you will not need me to drop by, especially since previous experience has taught me that as lovely as Holland is to visit its a summer country rather than a winter location.

    David

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    Oh just a last question about vacuuming:

    of course after finishing, dispose the bag straight away in a closed rubbish bag.

    What about the vacuum cleaner? Its head and pipes and the main body?
    Dont they are at risk of having any residual bugs or eggs on them?

    Greets

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    Hi,

    The risk of bedbugs remaining in the pipes is negliable.

    If you want to make it zero use a fine tight or stocking fed toe end into the pipe to act as a catch all before the bag.

    David

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    geky - 5 hours ago  » 

    A question about freezing:
    I read that it requires minimum -18 C core temp for 4 days to kills all life stages.
    In the article you suggested it states -5 C. Any idea why the difference?
    Last question:

    Actually, we cite the -18C temp (for several weeks, not 4 days) in our FAQ on freezing. It comes from a bed bug expert, Dr. Michael Potter, from a 2007 article.

    If that's not what you were referring to, please include a link.

    Steven Kells and Jeff Hahn, in this 2006 FAQ sheet from U of Minn, says -5 C for five days or more-- but they too recommend 2 weeks or more for home freezers where temperatures tend to fluctuate and you can't be sure of the exact temperature.

    I am not certain but I suspect Kells may have tested this himself. Perhaps one of the experts can point us to a study.

    I started and run the site but am "not an expert."

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