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  1. bringbackddt

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    So this started about a month and a half ago. I was staying in my friend's house in the city while I worked (my apartment is a couple hours away so I went home on the weekends). He rents out the additional room to random people who want to stay there. He goes through a website. It was mostly creepy euro dudes. Well I woke up there and discovered several bites on me. All in groups of two or three. It was confirmed as bed bugs and after I said something he said that his gf has been getting bit too for a while now. Thanks for the heads up, right? So I immediately packed up my stuff and got the hell out of there.

    Well me and my gf back here in my apartment have been getting a few random bites now. Maybe 3-4 a week for 3 weeks. My bites however do not look anything like the confirmed bed bug bites I got in the city. While they were small red bumps in 3s, these are usually in 1's or 2's and had a visible dot in the middle and always scabbed over. That didn't happen with my bites in the city.

    I have since gone on full paranoid, crazy mode. Got mattress and box spring protectors, put DE all around the room and in the cracks, taped off open outlets. However, in all of my rigorous searching I have yet to find one sign of the bugs besides the bites. I even have a standing alarm set for 4am with a flashlight by it so I can search the bed then go back to sleep.

    I have found no bugs, no droppings, no skins, nothing. I did however find two gnats in bed yesterday. Upon some reading I found that they do bite and suck blood. We have a window right above our bed that is often open and the screen is not top notch. I also found a silverfish under the pillow (gross, right) but they do not bite.

    So any ideas? I have contacted the landlord who suggests a bug bomb. I told them that would just scare them into neighboring apartments so he said he would have his pco stop by.

    Thank you all!

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    Fri Aug 19 2011 15:03:40
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    Hi,

    Opps, I hope you don't mind advice from a creepy Euro dude but here goes.

    Firstly there is no such thing as a typical bite response, the morphology of bites is as unique as we all are. However its a very good sign that you have never found live samples, cast skins or faecal traces, they MUST be present if bedbugs are.

    The red dot in the center of bites usually means fleas rather than bedbugs.

    The landlord needs to get better educated though as bug bombs are a major no no.

    Hope that helps.

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    Posted 8 years ago
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    Thank you that's very helpful. What I mean is that when I got those bites in the city I got like 10-15 of them and they all looked the same. These ones look completely different, scab over, and don't last as long. It seems like there would be some consistency in the bites when they are on the same person.

    Is my gnat idea a possibility? Our bed is right by that janky window that is almost always open and I found two gnats in the bed.

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    Also, is it possible that it is just a single bug I may have brought home? A female who is not pregnant or a male and we will just keep getting bit until it dies a sad lonely death?

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    Any thoughts on either of my two theories? Especially the "lone gunman" one. Seems much more possible for one random hitchhiker instead of a happy couple. As long as he/she stays single (which they will, this experience has made me beyond paranoid) he/she will just die in time. How long would it live though?

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    OK:

    It seems like there would be some consistency in the bites when they are on the same person.

    Why does it seem like? What is the scientific basis of that idea?

    The reality I see as written in the FAQ is that there is no predictably consistency which is why they are not an accurate diagnostic tool. For the record my data set on that one is about 32,000 people I have observed.

    Is my gnat idea a possibility?

    Yes - solution close the window. Rookie step one, rule things out and move on. If it may be a biting pest that flies in the window close the window and stop them getting in.

    It may also be braciating Eurticaria which I wrote about on your other thread (in fact stick to one thread and follow your logic (rookie step 2).

    Also, is it possible that it is just a single bug I may have brought home?

    Yes some infestations start of as a single bedbug and remain that way until it dies or it is captured. However if bedbugs are present and biting then you can always look for the faecal traces, if they are feeding them can be found.

    So if you get to 20+ bites and cant see any signs with a detailed finger tip search then the chances are its not bedbugs and you need to move on the next possibility.

    David

    PS I would however also suggest you either change or start a new user name as "bringbackddt" will not inspire many professionals to interact with you as enough DDT wanties have beaten you to that one.

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    Posted 8 years ago
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    Is this because of the "creepy euro dude" comment? In any case, thank you. windows have been closed. 4 days bite free. tonight or tomorrow night would be the time then. My gf got 4 bites in one night. 2 in one spot and 2 in another. that seems to be the reoccurring theme actually. I'm worried that that would mean more than one bug. ugh well see. very stressful. Thanks again for the help!

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    Sorry quick question. You said that you dont think you have bed bugs because your bites scabbed over. This may be a stupid question, but can you elaborate on that? I too am wondering if I have bed bugs. I have bites all over my feet and legs but I have found no traces. I dont know much about bites, so can you please explain what you mean so I can identify whether or not mine are bed bugs? Thanks!

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    bringbackddt - 9 minutes ago  » 
    Is this because of the "creepy euro dude" comment?

    Not at all, I have too thick a skin to take offence at that, I spend all day dealing with people who have bedbug issue and I think most around her would say I am at least an odd euro creepy dude with an obsession with bedbugs.

    bringbackddt - 9 minutes ago  » 
    In any case, thank you. windows have been closed. 4 days bite free. tonight or tomorrow night would be the time then. My gf got 4 bites in one night. 2 in one spot and 2 in another. that seems to be the reoccurring theme actually. I'm worried that that would mean more than one bug. ugh well see. very stressful. Thanks again for the help!

    All you can tell from skin reactions is that they are skin reactions, bites or rashes but certainly something to look into.

    The suggested name change is that with all the stress involved with bedbugs emotive names often get answered less because many of us old timers would steer clear of the same old debate on DDT and I am sure I am not the only person who will sometimes avoid a thread because its likely to be too emotional where facts and data are things we can work with emotionally draining is not always what we look for in our free time.

    If you think us some of us as general medicine practioners and others as surgeons. The general medicine physician often has a great bedside manner and good general knowledge of medicine. However the surgeons focus on key aspects of medicine and tend to be highly specialist in what they do but function more on facts and what they see than how well they get on with the patient.

    The only certain you can have in your situation is that the more reactions you have with no confirming signs the less likely it is to be bedbugs. Confirming signs being:

    • Live samples
    • Cast skins
    • Faecal traces

    Hope that helps.

    David

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    Posted 8 years ago
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    I meant they were mostly European back packer types. Traveling all over the world. Sorry I wasn't aware that ddt was still debated. It was just a joke name. The ecological cons far outweigh the suppsoed lack of bedbugs caused by ddt. At least I think so...

    @Adeh:
    Apparently bites show little consistency. When I knew I was getting bitten by bedbugs they did not scab over. When I went back home I had bites that quickly scabbed. Who knows?

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    Thanks. I have another question. I am being super paranoid right now because these bites are driving me crazy. I just found a bug on the ground. May be the source of my bites but I cant be sure. It was tiny! It seemed able to jump. Can bedbugs do that? It was also really hard to squish and was really fast. Though it was black, which I hear bedbugs are not. Anyways thoughts?

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    Sounds like a flea to me. I think i would take that over bedbugs!

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    But i dont have any pets. And they are tiny and black. I too would prefer fleas over bedbugs so I just want to be sure

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    I think you can get them without pets. But my only knowledge of fleas comes from an episode of Seinfeld.

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    Haha ok well thanks so much. I was so worried I had bed bugs that I didnt even think of fleas. Thanks again!

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    Just wanted to add that I can personally vouch for the fact that you can have fleas even if you don't have pets. I had an infestation in an apartment (new construction, even!) and have never owned a pet. I have no idea where they came from, but I caught several and they were indeed fleas. The landlord's PCO was able to take care of them pretty quickly.


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