willow's laundromat(19 posts)
i am replying here because it helps long-term if we try as much as possible to keep the comments on blog posts on-topic. and start a new thread here for new conversations.
About your laundry day: we have stuff in the FAQs about washing and drying clothing exposed to bed bugs, more or less as you describe.
But I'm curious, what do you mean people were washing their bed frames?
They were just carrying them into the laudromat--with their washings; canvas bags in one hand--metal bed posts in the other ...
I'm not a mind reader but um ... let's see ... they have bb's! they are living in fear! they are in that freak-out phase! maybe they are in fear the landlord is going to evict them?
Having bb's is like an internal scar. I remember when I broke my leg at 7 like it was yesterday ... I remember my first kiss. I remember my first bb. got it?
All of this fits into the ACUTE PTSD stuff that folks have been talking about in the "how do you maintain a sense of proprtion room forum".
Off to get some alcohol--the rubbing kind.
Hi Will, I'm sorry that this happened at your laundromat. The likelihood that it is infested is very high. Could you not post a flyer at the laundromat with simple suggestions? I'm sure at least some would read it. No one has told them what to do.
I personally am so worried about laundromats, obsessed is more like it.
There should be laundromat etiquette for bedbug sufferers and non-sufferers alike.
For one thing, I hope no one who has bedbugs is dropping off laundry! I know that you, Will, and your neighbors don't, I'm just saying, though, if you have bedbugs, doing your own laundry seems so elementary a precaution--one that remains equally valid if you are concerned for others or just acting out of self-interest, that my mind cannot admit any possible counter-argument.
Sorry, don't mean to be so down and mean.
I find you proactive and under stresses--but not mean at all. Well intentioned advice is good. If Iâ€™ve come off as just one of those do it yourselfer guyâ€™sâ€”No. if I would I would do the pco--if you'e been following my SFDPH visit Monday--was a feasco!
Now ... they won't treat becase my bb are controlled: not really--but he saw no objectibve evidence.
And--The laudromat freaked me out but I maintained calm demeanor.
So for now â€¦ my usual best way of suggesting stuff to people here on this blog--is more what like I might have done otherwise, had I the options:
And lots of us are like that. Iâ€™d have caulked till the cows come home and I donâ€™t even now how to do itâ€”had I had any forethought BBâ€™s were soon to rage down upon me.
Foul play has not ver really been ruled out: no proof!
So I move on to treatments and cut my lossed right?
But ....I had had the thought that I'd like to just go ahead and post a flyer all around.
I've also considered posting flyerâ€™s in my hotel tooâ€”more out of self interest, but the last guy who did thatâ€”regarding something elseâ€”last year: (and he flat-out wrote up a flyer reading the Mangerâ€”called by nameâ€”is a liar and a cheat and thief)
Well â€¦ he and I are both on the Sâ€”t list.
Me-- for having called the Adults Protective Svcs. Twice.
I have laundromat fear, too. Because of the cost of fuel, a lot of laundromats near me are turning the temperature of what used to be "hot" water down to what is lukewarm. Test the water temperature by hand if it is a top loader and you'll see what I mean. Saves them money. Doesn't kill bedbugs. At least the dryers are still hot.
The tables where people sort and fold their laundry? I wouldn't trust them.
I've seen people coming into laundromats with huge garbage bags of clothing they seemed to have found in dumpsters and that scares me, too.
I'm sure people who don't know they have bedbugs, but have them, are dropping off laundry at laundromats all over cities in the US. It was a long time before I knew what my bedbug bites were. I shudder to think of how I could have spread them. I even stayed at homes taking no precautions. Thank God I didn't spread them when I was ignorant of my infestation--but if I didn't know I had them, I'm sure many people are in the same boat.
MY CHAT WITH MERIDETH MAY FROM SF CHRONICLE NEWS (THE LEADING NEWS RAG HERE JSYAllKNOW)
I stressed these points on a scale of 1-10, with 10 being of the utmost importance:
a--hotter water and so much very hotter driers in both public and hotel(s) and apt(s) that have washers---also cleanliness be stepped up--10
b--Education on how to double bag and not use canvas in Laundromat and in disposal--I said a 2nd or maybe even a 3rd instarsâ€™ could pass thru a canvas bag of clean laundry like you or I opening a door and just walking on thru ... the insidiousness and the smallness of this recurring germ-like bug--10
c--I stressed no more cover ups and 2nd hand measures, but since many in HUD buildings etc. feel like they might be evicted for dropping a TV set or for washing a load in the tub--that--that they need to hold up on being so tight to some of the dumb rules--8
d--the way the bug just gets knocked from one unit to the next--then from one apartment to the next, and this, because whole buildings arenâ€™t being treated simultaneously--10
e--the feeling of being trapped--can't take stuff out of room--can't get a substitute room while txts. Are being implemented (at least I couldn't) and I stressed blaming has to be dropped where bb's are concerned--especially by managers of residential units--10
f--not enough support given to allow tenant to prepare properly al related to topic "d" above--8
g--I basically said people need to get hip on the bb or it's going to get up on their hip some night and it will get hip to them--6 ( I wished I'd worded it that way ... but you guys know how it is when your chucking out favorite blankets and the neighborhood news calls to do a telephone interview: I wasn't as spiffy as all that above in how I put it--But Meredith seemed lovely and Iâ€™m sure she got most of my drift.
As an aside: Both a member here, and Meredith had asked if I thought people were trying to fit their bed frames into the washing machines: come on guys--it wasnâ€™t that frenzylike:
OH--and I did them mention that I had no idea about others--for sure--but that my fears were--being pressured to pay for it on their own too--and were likely getting as little help as I got, or that they were finding discarded bed frames and taking them home thinking Gee ...this is great--I've got to get a new bed, and there's one lying right there ....
That--also got a ten this picking stuff up off the street.
now ... If I hadn't had all of you guys great great help:
I might have just said I don't know what's in my room ... I think the Mayor planted it and I hope his drinking problem gets worse and that his wife sues him for every dime he's got.
BUT--I DID had to agree that because of all the pressure and my feeling the forced need to self treat that I sort of understood why the SFDPH--was lax on my place, not that I was happy about it, but that, perhaps--the inspectors need some training.
My inspecter had even touched something a few times and I had to keep reminding him that that was not a clean area.
Since my place seems to be getting better, slowly--and because of the wacky rules--Iâ€™m probably better off, for now, continuing to self treat--unless it gets worse and I go nuts.
I also stressed social isolation/stigma is like higher for uniformed and younger jet set.
I hoe you relaize this was all paraphased-- but most of you and she seemed hiop on bb's. I also steered her away (some) from Q's about the emotional problems and I steered her more toward stepping up the education and preventative measures we need to take NOW.
Good Job Willow....Education is so important...eradication is our goal..but it starts with education...
I have to disagree about the inspector from SFPHD--he had no excuse for not ordering your room treated. You showed him a can with bed bugs in it, right? The SFPHD has a strict bed bug protocol, and it involves professional treatment within 3 days. I know this information isn't much help to you, but I'm annoyed on your behalf, and I want everyone to know that what you describe is not justified. They're not supposed to ignore your unit if you're self-treating, if you have evidence like bed bugs in a can.
u r right about that--that is their policy. But if they would only help relocate me and not damage my stuff--and then relocte me vack--It will never happen in my lkifetime, unless--the bugs get worse. I at least have a hx with a complaint.
Willow...Great job in getting the word out!
That's definitely the crux of the problem--protocols without the funding and infrastructure to support people with whatever they need (eg assistance moving or whatever) are useless. The protocol-writers get that in theory--they even mention assistance for people who need it. But saying it and making it happen (eg without messing up your stuff, which is important) can be another thing entirely. Darnit.
Oh, Willow, what's "a hx"? Thanks!
And getting back to the bed frames,it is crazy that you saw people bring bed frames to the laundromat. A photo would be priceless. I guess they had to use the big sinks in the laundromat? I can't think of how else they would wash bed frames there.
I'll post this here gain JSYALLKNOW:
People were not and are not trying to wash the metal bed frames--they were just carrying them in with their laundry. Y ... who the h---knows! Chalk it up to semi hysterias, or they found them on the street and thought--wow a new bed frame this will solve all my bb problems--my conjecture but letâ€™s face it America is known for its quick fix attitude(s).
We knowâ€”not soâ€”with BBâ€™s!
SF has a bad rep for a much higher concentration of loonies alreadyâ€”so Iâ€™m not promoting that.
Sorry I misunderstood. Pretty surreal laundromat I'd say, ripe for a documentary. Anyone in the Bay area who's bored and has a camcorder could do a GREAT documentary on Willow's neighborhood epidemic.
I saw some mexicans doing laundry with a huge bottle of heinz viniger yesterday, that was only semi-surreal. But I was so appaulled by the gross negligence (mostly from mis-education people shaking out ther bb's in the darned laundromat) that I really felt like I came home with more bb's than I had BEFORE I got to the laundromat in the first place. That's why I added the longer postre M May article.
I guess I have my own little room here, kind a like Bugalina's "bugginess room "or forum:
It is unfortunate that NBOM has tried to keep us on topic so hard (with good reason) but alas anon: oh well ... most folks. I've just heard from NBOM, seem to like the forums as they are now--yeah!
It was good to see all the posts re that Tampa article; and it was even better to see that they corrected the article!
CRYSTALINE ANYTHING to my knowledge is stronger, longer, harder, lasts longer, and has a complex spiky pattern. But what we really need is a Chemist up in here to help us all out. (My rinky-dink Chemistry class (in 1991) was for Nurses--and was an Organic chemistry (carbon based) class. I had the option to take the harder class or the easier one--and the easier one was a mind-boggling experience. I got an A+ but it really was rather rinky-dink. I only got an A_ because I did all of the assignments and had a perfect attendance rate. The teacher was an ESL'r and his English was so bad--I think a lot of us got A's because he knew we could not understand him.
So, all I can say is that I think of spiky snow flakes and crystallized sugar and iodized salt--when "crystallized anything" comes up.
God knows I've done enough damage to my lungs, so far. I'm so now I'm steaming the load of de I placed (not flung) in the closet to try and get some of it to sink into the rug and become less duty.I'm also using rubber gloves a dust mask and my goggles, when I can find where I left them--to scoop the silica junk up.
I'm glad to know I did not use the crystalline form. I used the Silicon dioxide form. I can say fairly for sure that the dioxide is a double bond of oxygen to the silica--so it is likely to be a larger molecule, or at least more user friendly to carbon based units such as myself: But I'm dropping out of that debate, as I just don't know.
Whatever it is--the larger the molecule the more likely it is to be coughed up by our cough reflex. Seniors, generally speaking have a much more diminished lung capacity and a weaker cough reflex--so especially seniors and kids should be extra careful: but so should we all--myself totally being included here.
But the real reason I started to blog here today is because I have just received a call from my "Martin" the PHI from SFDPH. He called as he was responding to my second complaint (which, really, was only a call to try and get the number of the first complaint, which; I tossed out by accident when de-cluttering).
Now you know I at least kept him on the phone for as long as I could, and it seems the same as it seems up there in Vancouver: SFDPH needs to see live bugs on the bed.
I told him that I ma quite sure I was bit last night, and unfortunately I might still have some back on the bed. But I must remain hypervigllient as must we all! yet it was that when I asked "Martin" if he could at least tell a supervisor about putting out a FAQ on doing laundry--he said he was powerless to even mention it to a higher up (I'm paraphrasing his words some). But at least "Martin" remembered me and my room and my case, a small comfort: so we left it open again, at my request, due to pending legalities here, that if it got worse I'd call him back.
Oh yeah and I got the case#.
I'm not sure but it seems to me that some (a few) people here might not really understand what total encasement of the mattress and total isolation of the bed is and why we do it. All I can say is this: I'm the bait that doesn't want to get bitten. Since the bb's love to live in and around the mattress--why some people have not chosen to isolate that and completely cover it up--is about as mind boggling to me--as my gross misuse of--any kind of de and my reticence to have a PCO in--is to a lot of you.
As well ... I joined this blog just after all havoc reeked loose as the blog changed--so I apologies to all regarding my seemingly obscured vision of where to post. (This is also--likely now a mute point to most--the fact that this was the first time I ever blogged anything anywhere.)
Chow Bellaâ€™s ... I'm off to scooping up the excessive De, re-debugging my un bugged futon--and of course that means re-drying all my clean blankets as well as re-sealing every stitch of plastic and coating the whole bed--frame and both mattresses--with a good dose of r alcohol (91%)and when that dries--steam.
Those are my three main priorities.
PS--I doubt R. Alcohol is as caustic and drying to the lungs as is DE, and though I use it alot--I don't go out of my way to sniff it, if I can help it. Sure it is highly flammable as some people posted, but that is only when wet. JSYALLKNOW.
Hi Will, I'm so glad that your situation is improving, just be careful with those alcohol fumes. I'm replying to you here, rather than pm, to keep things in context. I think you're referring to me when you speak of not understanding bed isolation. Please note that bed isolation is indeed a very good, widely recommended technique for getting a good night's sleep and getting control of an otherwise rapidly deteriorating situation. However, it is not a bedbug-killing technique, in that bedbugs will not be successfully starved in this way.
I am choosing to not isolate my bed for personal, complicated reasons that can be summed up briefly as an effort to contain them in the bedroom on the theory that this will prevent them from changing their habits (appearing during the day) or spreading to other areas of my apartment or to other apartments in search of a host, and, although I have encased my mattress, I have not put it up on risers nor taken other steps to prevent them biting me in my bed at night. This is my deeper game, if you will, and it may be a fool's errand, but I'm trying it out. Success will depend on killing them faster than they can reproduce. I am not certain that I can, but this is my aim. Thanks for your concern!
yes nomo, it was you and a few others .. not a critism more a condern. thanks for taking time to clarify--I'd possibly do somerhing similar If i had moved and "brought them with me" and had other rooms to protect.
coming to a laundomat near you soon ...
Willow's new getto tips for washing your clothing on a budget:
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