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Vell23
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Ok I'm a very religious person and I beleive that our heavenly father created all things for a purpose. But I can't understand what is the reason for bed bugs, they are annoying to human beings and I'm sure whatever host they feed on hates them, even animals. My grandmother said they were probably suppose to be in the earth or something like to clean the earth or something, but something went wrong somewhere and they ended up in ppl houses, that's her theory, I don't even know, what do yall think
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You ask a good question. I was raised religiously, too and was also taught that everything exists for a reason. A part of that still remains in my system and I've thought about BB. Perhaps it's to teach us that like the BB (who only eats what it needs when it needs it, then goes out of site), we need to live simply, quietly and and conservatively (consider that the tiny BB takes 5-10 minutes to fill its tank. How thin its probe must be and how slowly it's taking up its meal). Perhaps, from its ability to prevent infection in itself as well as feed on blood but (purportedly) not transmit disease, we will learn valuable lessons in medicine. One can only hope.
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Vell23
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Yea wat if bed bugs can cure diseases, u see how they put maggots on flesh wounds and they clean the cut, maybe bed bugs have some kind of purpose. Imagine if bed bugs cured aids or cancer, they would be scarce
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Hmmm, if you want to enquire with the all mighty on bed bugs can you save a few minutes to also ask what wasps, roaches, rats, mice and fleas do for the world?
The reality is that bed bugs have been a pest of man since we lived in caves and whatever your view of creation / evolution we have as a species lived alongside bed bugs for much longer than they have been a rare pest issue. If you think that we have only had a low bed bug issue between the 1940's and late 1990's its a small percentage of the time we have lived on this planet.
The reality is that by taking our eyes off the problem since the 1950's we left a niche open for them to adapt and move back into. The only way to close that niche is mass communication, regular self screening and the use of early detection technologies in all hotel rooms and peoples homes.
To comment on the disease transmission issue we all understand that mosquitoes can carry malaria or west nile virus but are not susceptible to it themselves, diseases are often species specific and do not affect the transmission vectors themselves, otherwise they may die before they deliver the payload as it were. In the case of bed bugs I believe they don't transmit disease through feeding because they are evolved from a different path than mosquitoes and other vector species. Yes they are both insects but they are about as unrelated as humming birds are to golden eagles.
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BBCOUKonTour - 30 minutes ago » The reality is that by taking our eyes off the problem since the 1950's we left a niche open for them to adapt and move back into. The only way to close that niche is mass communication, regular self screening and the use of early detection technologies in all hotel rooms and peoples homes.
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LOL frame it by all means but if you check back through my posting history you will see its not a new concept. I actually started saying it in 2003 and most of the media pieces I have done have said exactly the same thing. If you don't check a hotel room you actually only have yourself to blame at the end of the day.
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I asked myself this same question. If only there was an answer... Perhaps should start testing bedbugs on cancer patients or something?
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cilecto - 8 hours ago »
Perhaps it's to teach us that like the BB (who only eats what it needs when it needs it, then goes out of site), we need to live simply, quietly and and conservatively.I know if I personally lived this way My family would just fall apart!!
This would be a really good world to live in If every one did this!!VERY unlikley!!
The world has fallen apart and our proprieties lay else where!! and if we don't get up and say something we will have anarchy around us!!
besides the BB is stupid and cant think for himself!! I really don't want to be that way!!!
conservatively does not exist in the word any more!! or at least in the US!! ! it is from my experience that conservative in non existence in the US!! I personally am Very thankful that I can get into my gas run vehicle go to the local market an grab milk an eggs from there frig and strike up conversation with the cashier!! instead of going in the back yard an milking a cow or reaching under a chickens BUTT!! YUCK!! don't the Amish live this way!! -
I have thought about why they exist The only answers I can com up with is !FOOD for other bugs that serve a purpose!!2 maybe they were created for some one back in the day to punish!!
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Living simply does not generally mean returning to a pre-industrial society. In fact, living simply is often more easily accomplished in a city than in the suburbs or a rural area. The idea that people who want to minimize their impact on the environment or be less driven by rampant consumerism must return to a non-technological existence is a myth.
It does mean being mindful of how the choices we make affect the lives of other people on the planet. That concept applies as much to the foods we choose (locally grown if that decreases their impact on the environment, organic of pesticide free whenever possible ) as it does to our need to be ethical in how we handle pest issues, like, for example, treating bed bugs so that others are not infested by contact with our infestations.
And although I'm not a religious person, watkinsnewan, I would prefer if no one on the boards insulted people of any religion, Amish included. Although they make choices about what some would call their lifestyle that don't make sense to me, I respect their right to make those choices for themselves.
I'm not sure I would call the move to live more simply conservative given the political affiliation of most people who are pursuing that lifestyle.
I'm also not sure what propriety has to do with . . .oh, wait. Did you mean our priorities? All right. That makes slightly more sense. Nevertheless, my original points still stand.
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buggieinsocal WITH ALL DO RESPECT Idid not in fact disrespect the amish I AM THE FIRST to give them there props for what they do in aspects of the way they live!! you probably took it the wrong way!! I RESPECT ALL for what RELIGION they are!! BUT AGAIN WITH ALL DO RESPECT WHY does it seem you have it out for me!!AND AGAIN WITH ALL DUE RESPECT It is hard for most to understand the words you use!! I personally had to look up several just in this post alone LIKE I SAID WITH ALL DUE RESPECT
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ooh the propriety was suppose to be to be priorities I have a hard time with the spelling of words and my spell check does not help a lot of the time!!
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This post should probably be flagged WARNING MINE FIELD but tap dancing in a mine field can be so much fun or as Prodigy put it THIS IS DANGEROUS, anyway the following is respectfully submitted not meaning to step on anyones toes.
Theory 1
Probably the best explanation is because it works for the bed bugs, in that they, the bed bugs as a species found an effective nitch as ectoparasites. Asking what role they might play in a larger or more theoretical sense is more difficult especially if we seek to avoid an anthropocentric answer. Or ask not what the bed bug can do for you but rather what do you do for the bed bug!
Theory 2
Aphids gone wild! Aphids suck ....... Cimex suck blood. -
There goes terminology I have no clue about!! Layman terms PLEASE!! for those of us who do not know these words!!
ectoparasites an Aphids =an insect that has specially adapted mouth parts for piercing and sucking the sap from plants.
Many ectoparasites an aphids transfer viruses from plant to plant as they feed.anthropocentric=from point of view of humankind: seeing things in human terms, especially judging things according to human perceptions, values, and experiences
BUT for real why are you talking about bugs that eat plants!! Do they have something in common with bugs that live off our blood!!
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Watkins, hope this helps:
Sometimes breaking it down makes it easier...you know what a parasite is, so look up the "ecto" or "endo" to get the rest of the story.
In a general sense:
Ecto=external
Endo=internal
"Ectoparasite: A parasite that lives on or in the skin but not within the body." I know bedbugs do not live on the skin, but it gives an idea that we're referring to a parasite that does NOT live within the body.
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David and Cilecto...Ditto. One question, though: a little bird told me that there is research being done on whether or not bedbugs have the ability to transmit Lyme disease. Any thoughts?
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T H A N K Y O U for clearing that up!! Now that, that is clear!! does any one know the answer to the question!! wouldn't it make sense to know what there purpose is!!or if they have any purpose at all!! food for other animals is all I can come up with!! Cause I know in there world we are there food!! I thought we were at the top of the food chain!! I don't know maybe they carry particles on them of something that can cure asthma.... or there system does... has any one even done an autopsy on them ! I really think it is a fair question!! there has to be some thing they can do for mankind.....and the lime disease I can really see that !!... but really... thanks for that food for thought!! ....
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Hi Meremortal,
OK I am going to be very specific on this one but it will be clear when its read through a few times I dare say.
I am not familiar with any current medical research related to bed bugs and Lyme disease which is usually associated with ticks but neither am I aware of any current medical research related to bed bugs and disease transmission. This is not to say that it is currently under way and that I am not aware it just that it is simply not an area I can dedicate my time to. When things are brought up I will use my scientific and medical connects to make time to discuss it but on my priority list it is not.
My personal stance on the issue which has had conversation with some medical and scientific professionals but it is theory rather than research based. This is in main part due to the fact that such research is not ethical to conduct at the level where the data would be of value. For clarity this would put a person at a level of risk I don't feel anyone could ethically consent to i.e. the potential infection with a range of blood borne pathogens. Transmission of any blood borne pathogen through feeding in the same way that mosquitoes are known to transmit a variety of blood borne pathogens is unlikely because the feeding method of bed bugs and in fact the digestive process as well are not the same. Bed bugs do not have the same feeding mechanism as other insects known to transmit blood borne pathogens. I believe that this combined with the physiology of bed bugs they are of an extremely low probability of transmitting blood borne pathogens through feeding.
The only way to be 100% certain of the fact is to do medical research which as I have said I don't deem ethically possible. In the absence of that if you can find me a team of histo-pathologists for a few weeks and the computing power of either Microsoft or Google and we could be a lot better informed but that can by definition only be a theory. More informed than we are today which I look forward to that time because I hope it will come.
But with all the usual disclaimers I am not medically qualified although the entomology in my first degree was based on pests of plants that may in fact be more relevant than ecto parasites.
There have been many heated discussions on the subject over the years but the question is about transmission through feeding but the only method I could even consider given that it would need to be a very close time frame and that bed bugs are not known to break off feeding unless they are threatened.
However I do always take full and sensible precautions at all times because it is is good personal hygiene and working practice. This means loves at all times and minimal close contact with anything. I do a lot of saliva faecal tests when on site as a confirmation and will go through a box of gloves in a short space of time. I do after all work in the full spectrum of environments which is a very polite way of saying it and keeping the confidential nature of my clients. Most of the ones who I know through the forum are of the kind of homes most would aspire to but this can and will happen to all layers and strata of humanity.
Bed bugs do not have a thought for your living conditions when they decide to hitch a lift home with you or investigate your environment but that's a little off topic but in essence its a more essential message.
Anyway long day, I scored well in my bed bug bingo and finally had a chance to meet a lot of people who I have wanted to for a long time and still have a lot of meetings planned.
I will post a brief review later and will try to upload a picture of myself in the bed bug hard hat standing next to the VW beetle decorated to look like a bed bug. It seems to fitting for Vegas and puts the the theme of my hotel and its shows into a wonderfully ironic sense of perspective (typed just as the fireworks exploding yards from my window on the 34th floor).
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I really liked that!! completely understood it the first time through!! AND don't you know you are suppose to squash that bug all they are is a car that was thrown in the dryer to go round and round than shrink....giant Easter egg... okay ill stop there!! I used to do the books for a VW company!!!was it a convertible (YUP they have um!!! )I think that would make it look more like a BB.....
Must be wonderful to experience fireworks next to your window when you 34 floors up!!
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Vell23 - 1 day ago »
Ok I'm a very religious person and I beleive that our heavenly father created all things for a purpose. But I can't understand what is the reason for bed bugs, they are annoying to human beings and I'm sure whatever host they feed on hates them, even animals.It's not just bedbugs. We share our planet with all sorts of organisms (e.g. mosquitoes) and infectious agents (e.g. viruses) that irritate, hurt, even kill human beings. And as humans, we do all sort of damage and injury to other living things.
My personal feeling is that most biological entities are created (if they are created) with a built-in directive to survive and propagate their species/type. Then, we thrive in cooperation or battle it out to one another's annihilation. If I were a deity, I'd grab some popcorn, hang out on one of Saturn's rings and watch the show on planet Earth. From a billion miles away, our conflicts and struggles probably make for a gorgeous moving mosaic.
If you're Jewish or Christian, you could revisit the Book of Job. It gives an interesting take on the problem of crappy things happening to good people.
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I like ur thoughts persona, I wondered to if god used bed bugs in the plagues against Egypt when the pharoah wouldn't let the Jews go
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Watkinsnewan,
I don't actually have it in for you. In many of your posts, I see you coming from a good place. You have clearly tried to reach out and offer support to others even though you haven't been around long. All of that comes from a good place.
However, I teach reading and writing for a living. It's what I do. The fact that my day job involves that means that, perhaps, I read posts more carefully than a lot of other people. I am probably much more sensitive to posts that will cause readers to react one way when the authors may have intended another. Because I see those reading differences really easily, and because I know how they might affect someone reading those posts who falls into those groups, I feel like I have to point them out.
You will notice that with a few clear and small exceptions, I don't generally run around correcting peoples' grammar. That's because I know that doing so makes people uncomfortable. (Even though not pointing out those mistakes makes me crazy because they drive me nuts.)
As for using big words, well, I have a big vocabulary. I always have. The vast majority of my coworkers have at least a master's degree. Since I spend all day with overeducated people, I don't always have good points of reference for what people can and can't read. I have tried in this post not to use them. I have at least four times started to type a word and then questioned whether it was too big and replaced it with a more common (if less precise) one. I hope that helps.
However, I also think that part of the problem is that if I encounter a word that I don't know when I'm reading--whether it's a book or an online forum--my response is to look the definition up rather than to feel badly that I don't know what it means. I can try to cut down on the number of big words I use, but until you said so in your post, I didn't think I was using any big words. I can see how rampant isn't common now that you point it out. But the only other big one I see is pre-industrial, and probably because of what I do for a living, that one doesn't seem big to me (largely because, I realized, I automatically analyze word parts. I know that the prefix pre means before and that industrial is just the adjective form of industry, so before industry, and from that I can make a guess about what it means. Since I do that without thinking about it, I assume that other people will do the same thing. I may not be right about that, but remember, it's what I teach students to do which probably makes me more inclined to think that what I do is more common than it is.)
That said, what I suspect feels like "having it in" for you isn't having it in for you so much as it is a long term concern about how future readers will respond to posts. And, to be fair, you haven't been around that long so probably you weren't around the last time I had this conversation on the boards. Since you probably missed the last go round of this discussion, I'll recap it here.
When I read a post, I'm not just thinking about what I think people meant to say. I'm also thinking about the many, many ways that a post might be interpreted by someone who comes along months after the post was originally made.
I am even willing to give you that you didn't mean to insult the Amish.
However, look back at this passage:
instead of going in the back yard an milking a cow or reaching under a chickens BUTT!! YUCK!! don't the Amish live this way!!
Now, you may not have meant to insult the Amish. But when I read that passage, what I see is text that implies, whether you meant it or not, that reaching under a chicken's butt is dirty and gross, and that the Amish regularly reach under a chicken's butt, which logically means that they regularly do something that is dirty and gross.
You may simply have meant that you don't like doing hard work it would take to farm your own eggs and milk. You may have meant to say that it was the effort that you objected to. But by bringing the chicken's butt into things, even if you didn't mean to, since most people on some level think of butts and their functions as very dirty (in both senses of the word--both sexually taboo and disgusting in that they, um, excrete dirty things) things, the words you wrote insult the Amish even if you didn't mean to do so.
I don't pretend to know what goes on inside your head.
I can only react to what I see in the text on the page.
And because I am painfully aware of the fact that words we write or speak can often say things we don't intend them to, I often respond to posts that I'm afraid will do exactly that --particularly when they are read a year from now.
Your post fell into that category. Those words on the page insulted people even if there was no intent behind them.
The post, to me, feels like it was written pretty fast and maybe not read over to make sure it actually said what you thought you were saying. Since the post is going to hang out for years after your bed bug problem is solved, its words are going to continue to affect people for a long time. From where I sit, that's a pretty strong incentive to make sure my posts--even if written quickly--aren't going to accidentally offend people. Several things you've said in several posts have the potential to offend groups of people not like yourself. You may not have consciously meant for your words to have that effect, but they have the potential to have that effect all the same. My response to seeing that is to ask someone to stop doing it.
I know that not everyone has the same set of skills. One of the reasons that I often caution people against self-treatment is that I am quite aware that I lack the scientific and handyperson skills to be esp. good at self-treatment.
I know that not everyone finds expressing what they mean in writing as easy as I do (not that I find it easy. But from watching students struggle to learn to write good papers, I do get that it's easier for me than a lot of people.).
Please notice that I've never "corrected" your grammar or your writing because I know that makes people feel uncomfortable.
What I have it in for are posts that have the potential to hurt other people in some way--either emotionally or by implying things that aren't true, esp. if those things have the potential to be dangerous in some way.
It's very hard, reading a computer screen, to guess at someone's intent. I have only words and responses to go by. I don't pretend to know whether you're sincerely upset that I called you out on being purposefully or carelessly offensive to a whole group of people with the words that you chose or if you're just putting up the smokescreen of being upset by my "personal" attacks on you because you aren't willing to look at the fact that you may have a prejudice, even an unconscious one, against certain groups of people. Only you can figure that out. I don't expend a lot of time trying to figure such things out.
I do spend a lot of time thinking about how words on a computer screen can get away from us and end up hurting people, and that's what I was responding to when I spoke up. (In a post, I might add, with mistakes. I typed of when I mean or, I might add. We all make mistakes when we write. There's proof in my post that I do too. However, I do think it's generally a good idea to try to cut those mistakes down only to ones that don't strongly affect readers' ability to understand the heart of the person's message.)
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vell23 it starts in EXODUS 7 (KJV) = water in to blood, frogs, lice,flies,cattle died,boils an blains, hail of fire, plague of locusts, darkness,and Death of first born son.... then Jews left!! nope I saw nothing.... BUT you never know!! I don't have the original scroll (book) so I really don't know!!
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buggy, Thank you for pointing that out~~ REALLY though!!~~I appreciate it I will be more cautious in the future!! I was taught that you have to stand up for something or fall for anything!! And if I offended any one here in the forums i am TRULY SORRY
the post was ment just the way you said...
No pun intended!!
And Thanks for the lesson sometime we ALL need to be put in our place Right!!
I didnt mean that you hurt my felling cause you are just a computer screen to me!! even tho you are a real person ~~I know that!!
I have never stereotyped any one in the forums!! WE are all equal!!
And to be honest Who care what spelling mistakes ppl make in the forums!!Lots of different ppl come to the forums and most of those ppl know what most are saying!! it belittles a person when you point those out !! it makes them think they are being looked down at!!! It dont matter who you are and what you stand for you,me,them reading, everyone, black white gay lesbin brown and the big purple dinosaur WE ARE all equal!!(well maybe not the big purple dinosaur) but you get my drift!! moral of the story!!!
PPL come here to get advice and compassion about BB cause not many know what we are going through !!(sorry about the double negatives) We don't come here to get belittled!!!! Just cause I have chosen to have a big family an not got to collage does NOT by all means make me better than you or vis versa!!I love the big family and would NEVER give that up for all the education in the world!! I don't care if that makes me the stupidest person in the world......the words on the screen should not be analyzed!! Just answered in a compassionate, educated to the best of your ability way!!
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Funny. I'm basically an atheist, but this discussion reminds me of a section from my favorite novel EVER, John Updike's The Witches of Eastwick. There's a scene in which Darryl Van Horne (Jack Nicholson in the movie) gives a sermon about the divine complexities of evolutionary atrocities like parasites and worms and gross stuff like that. Since I've had bed bugs, that passage has been on my mind a lot. Here's a quote that could apply to these heinous little blood suckers:
"He's as real a creature as you and me. He's as noble a creature, designwise—really lovingly designed. You got to picture that Big Visage leaning down and smiling through Its beard while those fabulous Fingers with Their angelic manicure fiddled with the last fine-tuning of old [Cimex Lectularius]'s ventral sucker: that's Creation. Now I ask you, isn't that pretty terrible? Couldn't you have done better, given the resources? I sure as hell could have. So vote for me next time, O.K.? Amen."
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Buggy... that was... beautiful. *sniffs*
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AAAAWWW that was so beautiful~~~ that is going to be my Friday night Movie with the family!! witch will be my first treatment!!! Friday morning 9 am sharp!! Hope they don't try to come out an Bite me while I am watching it!!
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God lost a poker hand to Satan and allowed him to make one creature.
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that is the best explanation I have herd yet!!
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watkinsnewan - 22 hours ago »
ectoparasites an Aphids =an insect that has specially adapted mouth parts for piercing and sucking the sap from plants
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BUT for real why are you talking about bugs that eat plants!! Do they have something in common with bugs that live off our blood!!
Think about it. Both insects are built to pierce their food containers (i.e. people or plants), then suck the fluid within.
The theory is bedbugs may have evolved from sap-sucking aphids. Makes sense to me.
Vell23 - 5 hours ago »
I like ur thoughts persona, I wondered to if god used bed bugs in the plagues against Egypt when the pharoah wouldn't let the Jews goThanks, Vell. I dunno. I know you're talking about specific events described in the Bible. But just in case others are leaning towards thinking that bedbugs are here to punish us or punish some of us ... I really truly don't think that is the case.
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Drive by and vaguely off topic, but . . .
It is true that Jack Nicholson played DVH in the movie version of Updike's novel.
The current television series version stars Paul Gross as DVH. That's Paul Gross previously of Due South and Men with Brooms, in case anyone here is a fan of curling movies, the RCMP, and/or Paul Gross in general.
Eastwickairs Wednesdays nights at 10 pm (Pacific and Eastern) on ABC in the US. I have no idea when it airs in Canada.
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watkinsnewan - 1 day ago »
I personally am Very thankful that I can get into my gas run vehicle go to the local market an grab milk an eggs from there frig and strike up conversation with the cashier!! instead of going in the back yard an milking a cow or reaching under a chickens BUTT!! YUCK!! don't the Amish live this way!!I have huge respect for the Amish.
And for farmers too. watkins, you are lucky someone else is willing to reach under a chicken's behind. And I am sure some of your jobs may be distasteful to people who raise chickens!
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Oh and I wonder if bed bugs were one of the plagues visited upon Egypt. If so, the Jews would unfortunately probably have moved with bed bugs to their next location (as everyone else probably did too). We all know how hard it is to move without bringing bed bugs. And with no dryers or ziplocs?!?
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Yes we must especially respect the Amish because they do not tend to come online and defend themselves. I did google Amish Forums but could only find www.amish-online-dating.com
David
PS have a look at the site and clock on the YouTube footage, I almost wept.
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nobuggs thanks for the laugh!! you are freaking hilarious.. and thanks for that thought... I almost woke the kids ....ssssooo funny you are so right the difference is that I have a shower to disinfect real QUICK... and I train them early so I don't have to do the dirty work for long....
there were 10 plagues... here they are again i saw something in another post about tents and inns... that has to do with the Bible that i am going to research that tomorrow.... Hope you are not tired of me I'LL BE BACKwatkinsnewan - 9 hours ago »
vell23 it starts in EXODUS 7 (KJV) = water in to blood, frogs, lice,flies,cattle died,boils an blains, hail of fire, plague of locusts, darkness,and Death of first born son.... then Jews left!! nope I saw nothing.... BUT you never know!! I don't have the original scroll (book) so I really don't know!!Buggy I dont get much time to read books these days or in the last 16 years just this forum so I am not sure.... going to the site David posted now.....
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Ahahhahahah jim is funny, I like that one Jin, lmao, I knew one of the plagues wasn't bed bugs, I was just throwing it out there to see what ya'll say, nobugs, IF THO they were bed bugs in Egypt being a part of the plague, the Jews wouldn't have been affected, cuz remember during the plagues it was only happening to the Egyptians and not the Jews, so they woulda been bug free wandering around in the desert LOL. But persona I agree with u, they weren't put here to punish us, I don't think they were suppose to be living off blood, someone said something about insects sucking from a plant or something, that sounds more realler to me, LOL (realler, the one that teach writing, plz correct me). I love y'all, y'all are hilarious. Bed bugs brought us together, at least that's one thing we can thank them for huh. You know how ppl say everything happens for a reason? LOL I wonder what the reason is we end up with vampires in our homes
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spideyjg - 9 hours ago »
God lost a poker hand to Satan and allowed him to make one creature.
JimHI I noticed your in So Cal, me too, these things are going to kill me if I can't get rid of them. I am deathly allergic as I abruptly found. I have done everything that the literature and exterminators have said and yet they just live on!!!!
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Deathlyallergic - 6 hours ago »
Im a spirital person too, but this is a cruel heavenly joke!I respect you opinion that it was A cruel joke... as to respect that God gambles....I am one of the Most religous people on this site.... I am A Preachers Wife...With that being said Spidy was just trying to find humor in this cruel and unusual punishment we call BB......I personally with they way God works can see GOD allowing satin to create these creatures to punish man kind for disobeying HIM as our GOD ..... So if you are A religious person you can except this as A explanation .......I personally do no except this YET.....
I am truly sorry for what you are going through and understand that it must be pure hell......I really wish I could help..... -
vell food for thought ....isn't it to hot in Egypt for BB .....and Can BB live in the sand.....
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Vell23
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Umm watkins, don't u think they are ppl in Egypt with bed bugs in their homes right now? Since ur a pastors wife, (so u said u being the most religious person here), Do u think that this is another start to the great tribulation? It is becoming a huge epidemic and driving ppl insane
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I suspect that BB would not have been one of the biblical plagues, which were all unusual occurrances. BB would have been "business as usual".
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cilecto - 34 minutes ago »
I suspect that BB would not have been one of the biblical plagues, which were all unusual occurrances. BB would have been "business as usual".Yes, and following them around, the Biblical Equivalent of the "miracle bed bug powder" pitchman, no doubt.
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vall Well YES isnt it the end of our world when we find out that we have BB...LOLOLOLO (JK)If you look at it biblical point of view....... YES..... not just A tribulation BUT A trial too which I for one know I am failing at but that is OK cause we a human beings all fall short when I comes to THE ALLMIGHTY....and you know how God says Do no harm... Well.... God also gave Me freewill so I will harm these blood suckers who are doing harm to me.... and take it up with him later.... it is just more to add to my long list..... I dont think I will be asking for forgiveness for this one I would really like to speak with him about it............
I also checked the BB registry and I didn't see anything about Egypt......But than again I am new at the whole BB registry thing ...... I ment to say ONE of the most religious........... -
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Nobugsonme - 5 minutes ago »
cilecto - 34 minutes ago »
I suspect that BB would not have been one of the biblical plagues, which were all unusual occurrances. BB would have been "business as usual".Yes, and following them around, the Biblical Equivalent of the "miracle bed bug powder" pitchman, no doubt.
Bet he was itchy too. LOL! Gotta love the itchy pitch man. You can't make stuff like that up.
Jim
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Just cause I have chosen to have a big family an not got to collage does NOT by all means make me better than you or vis versa!!I love the big family and would NEVER give that up for all the education in the world!! I don't care if that makes me the stupidest person in the world.
I'm guessing that this part of your message refers back to this response from me in another post.
do you currently work outside the home? And are you currently the sole income earner for your family? Because if you don't and if you aren't, I would politely request that you consider for a moment the fact that if I had gone into my job and announced that I had possibly brought bed bugs into the office, if I had a different boss than I currently do, with the economy being what it is, it's entirely possible that I would simply not have had my contract renewed the following year if that pest control had been needed and I'd cost the employer that much money.
(Full post in case anyone wants to read the whole thing in context: http://bedbugger.com/forum/topic/when-should-you-disclose-your-bb-problem-to-coworkersacquaintances)
The reason I asked in that post whether you currently worked outside the home is that the response you had given was specifically about how people should respond in their workplaces to bed bug infestations.
The fact is that some of us ::points at self:: are not always esp. good at reading subtle workplace dynamics. I, like many academics, am not as good at subtle social cues as many other people. For me, reading the subtle, unspoken rules of workplaces has always been a lot harder than reading words on a page or a computer screen.
Because of that, I know from personal experience, that giving what appears to be the same advice to everyone about whether to disclose bed bugs in their workplace and how to disclose them may not be wise. I'm a firm believer that individuals are the best ones to evaluate how safe and effective it would be to disclose the possibilities of bed bugs in their workplace. Probably because I had to work so very hard at learning to read those subtle dynamics in workplaces, I'm extra sensitive to the fact that any posts I make about how people should communicate a possible at work infestation to bosses and coworkers have to be extra clear.
We all know that many people who are dealing with bed bugs are highly stressed, anxious, and sleep deprived. That makes is extra hard for them to read posts clearly and interpret them clearly--if the posts are extra easy to misinterpret, the chances of them reading the posts differently than they were intended go way up.
The responses from you that I read in that post read to me like you were saying that the only ethical thing anyone could ever do was to immediately tell everyone at work that the workplace might be infested--even before there was any conclusive proof that that was a possibility.
Given what I've learned about workplace dynamics, that seemed like very dangerous advice. It's easy to say that it should be against the law to fire people for disclosing that they have bed bugs, but there's always a vast gulf between what laws say is right and what actually happens in reality. Not everyone has the financial resources to fight the legal fight that might very well be required to get a job back if that happened. I try to take that into account when I give advice.
The reason I asked (and please note that I asked if you worked outside the home not assumed that you didn't and never had) about whether you had a paid job outside the home (and please note that I am perfectly aware that taking care of kids full time is very much a job, once which is generally undervalued in our society and for which we do not pay the parents who do that very difficult work) is that if you do not now have one, and particularly if you have never had a long term one, you may not have had as much personal experience with the dynamics of workplaces as the people you're giving advice to.
As a result, lacking that personal experience might encourage you to think about whether the advice you're giving to others about what they ought to do in a situation that you don't have any or much personal experience with is advice based on all the facts.
Some of the stay at home moms I've known had have two MAs. Some of the stay at home moms I know used to make 6 figures. I'm perfectly aware that plenty of stay at home parents are very bright people whether they have letters after their names or used to have high powered jobs or not. My mother was a stay at home mom until I was in the 8th grade; I have personal experience with the advantages to children of one parent being able to stay home and care for the children full time until they are old enough to need less supervision.
I am sorry that so much of our society devalues and belittles the work of stay at home moms.
But what I was trying to draw your attention to was this. I would never presume to give people advice about, for example, their math homework. (This isn't a stretch. My part time job is in a writing center at a community college, and we used to share space with the math center. When things got busy, I was asked if I was willing to help with math. I was very much not because I know that I don't know enough about math to be helpful. I knew that I would likely only give advice that would confuse students more. Even if I knew how to do the math they were working on, which I did, I didn't have the first clue about how to explain to them what they needed to know to do the math themselves.)
I have a lot of experience teaching people about writing because I've been doing it for a long time.
I also have many years of working outside the home. I've worked in at least 12 different workplace settings during and since college. I may not have immediately grasped the finer points of workplace dynamics, but I understand a little more about them now. Based on that experience, I'm not quick to suggest to other people that there's only one moral course of action in their workplaces, since I can't stand over their shoulder and observe and get the general vibe of the dynamics where they work.
I asked whether you worked outside the home to find out if you had workplace experience on which you were basing your opinion about the idea that full and immediate disclosure was the only moral course of action when it came to bed bugs.
I think that's a fair question, and I don't think that asking it paints parents who work outside the home as stupid so much as it suggests that they may lack experience and expertise in something that they've never done, or that they haven't done in many years (and therefore may not have as much knowledge about how the workplace changed since then), or haven't done as much as other people.
I would also like to point out that I never once mentioned family size anywhere in my post. That suggests to me that at least part of the emotional response you had to my post is about grief you're getting from people other than me about your choices.
Again, it truly sucks that so much of society devalues the important work that all caretakers of children do. It sucks that you've gotten grief from others about choosing to focus on taking care of your children, which is absolutely a full time job, or the choices you've made about the size of your family.
And I'm happy to respond to that so that I'm being as clear as possible to everyone on the boards.
But I don't think that's what I was saying at all in the post in the other thread, and I don't think that has a lot to do with the existence of bed bugs, so I'm happy to stop talking about it here if it's bothering other people in this thread.
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buggy look in your in box hope this helps.....
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Deathlyallergic
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watkinsnewan - 4 hours ago »
Deathlyallergic - 6 hours ago »
Im a spirital person too, but this is a cruel heavenly joke!I respect you opinion that it was A cruel joke... as to respect that God gambles....I am one of the Most religous people on this site.... I am A Preachers Wife...With that being said Spidy was just trying to find humor in this cruel and unusual punishment we call BB......I personally with they way God works can see GOD allowing satin to create these creatures to punish man kind for disobeying HIM as our GOD ..... So if you are A religious person you can except this as A explanation .......I personally do no except this YET.....
I am truly sorry for what you are going through and understand that it must be pure hell......I really wish I could help.....Yeah Im never one to truly be angry at God, but all my life its been intense challenges after another, having to deal with mostly alone, no worries it makes us stronger and I just grow more and more in my faith, but this is just absolutely scarry to the extent that both my parents have been dead for years, my kids lost their dad, Im it, so adversity for them is good, but this is got us all frightened by my physical reaction to this, I too was just venting
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I really really understand where you are coming from.... I have done the same... I fell this is A cruel joke from satin and GOD is testing... I am failing very badly... Keep your head up an stay strong.... and by all means Keep fighting...
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Deathlyallergic
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watkinsnewan - 5 minutes ago »
I really really understand where you are coming from.... I have done the same... I fell this is A cruel joke from satin and GOD is testing... I am failing very badly... Keep your head up an stay strong.... and by all means Keep fighting...Agreed!!! Thank you very much!
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watkinsnewan - 11 hours ago »
.With that being said Spidy was just trying to find humor in this cruel and unusual punishment we call BB......And I thought Spidey was practically quoting Scripture. In the Old Testament, God makes a bet with Satan that a cool, righteous dude will quit praising God once misfortune befalls him. Crazy shenanigans follow.
If one reads the Bible literally, God isn't averse to a little gambling. (tho if He/She is all-knowing, maybe it can't rightly be called "gambling" in the first place.)
The PCOs convening in Vegas should keep an eye out. They might spot the Almighty at a table of Texas hold'em. Or maybe at the nickel slots.
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hahahahahah I almost busted a gut.... thou shall not put any other gods before me...as long as you do not put the gambling before him and you do not get addicted I fell it is OK to sit at a table an play a couple few games...I personally have not even bought a lottery ticket in over ten years...I do gamble for pretzel sticks with my children in a card game or two... so is there A difference.. besides one is for money an one is for pretzels... NO ..
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buggy there is another in your in box....
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persona-non-bugga - 6 hours ago »
The PCOs convening in Vegas should keep an eye out. They might spot the Almighty at a table of Texas hold'em. Or maybe at the nickel slots.I attended a few presentations from god like ento's today and had some long conversations with people that others view like god's but could only find Elvis at the tables.
David
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