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  1. bed-bugscouk

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    Fri Feb 20 2015 19:29:16
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    .... Please still remember to search the site to see if it's be done before and what te outcome was before you experiment.

    I can't help but feel that saving people a few days of wasted experiments would at least free up time to do the sensible things.

    Just putting the concept out there, maybe AB's can breadcrumb this for future lovely "mega-quotes".

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    Sat Feb 21 2015 1:31:09
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    Yep, and I bet one of the reasons people experiment is because in the beginning, it is just so HARD to believe that if there were real, actual proven ways to deal with these things, why on earth haven't they been decimated? Plus there was like what, 40 years with so few of these things that when they came back, it seemed like a bad Orc spell...

    I have visions if maniacal laughter, but yet, in this day and age (I gotta ask) why can't they introduce the smell of blood into things like pitcher plants? So that bed bugs would be disposed of easily, esp in early infestations?

    😜everyone could have a bed bug plant lol.

    I'm past experimenting. Liked the Cimexa and besides I need my microwave to heat my cats food lol.

    Would LOVE to know if this has ever been considered? (Crazy but hey I'm not experimenting just asking the one guy here who might not laugh me off for asking.)

    (Did Google this lol)

    I'm not an expert just a dumb struggling bed bugger like every body else.
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    Sat Feb 21 2015 8:01:23
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    Hi,

    As odd as it may appear pitcher plants and carnivorous plants were an obsession of mine in 1985 and as such I know a little more about the science. As it happens there is a wonderful book on carnivorous plants by Charles Darwin, it's an old book but as the man was years ahead of his peers it's way ahead of its time and a gem of a read.

    Basically the "food" lure they deploy is kairomone based so is related to the "human host" chemicals. One of these types of products recently came out and I am mid testing. Initial results are poor and less than 14% capture but the "Orc" who came up with it is known for promoting stuff that does not work ( best example was cinema seat covers, I would have laughed but they were expensive ).

    I often recall a visit to my research facility by Stephen Dogget who upon arrival declared "why in hell do you have one of those?". He was referring to a specialist piece of lab kit which costs $25,000. Although not being constrained by university buying policies I obtained mine at a 99% discount but that one tool allowed me to work out the fine details of controlled freeze decon simply because I can create controlled the environments between +15C and -80C.

    There is a vast list if what I personally have tried and much between 2005-2007 although it's also not unusual for experimental data to be collected over a much longer period to build a larger sample set if data. Occasionally an off the wall idea does develop into something worthwhile but increasingly much of it has been tried and failed before which adds to the reason to look.

    One if the psychological factors with bedbugs is a lot feel that given what we do and achieve in modern life no task is that complex. However experience tells us the wrong first steps can delay the finish of the race. It's analogous to the runner who trips at the line for the 100m dash and ends up running the marathon. The nil solution for the runner is lots if practice starts and back in our world that would mean regular infestations which is usually the reserve of the industry although we do see good "outsiders" like BigDummy who having walked the hit coals before now has a significant enough "frame of reference".

    David

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    Sun Feb 22 2015 1:23:38
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    Interesting read. You sure do your homework. The world thanks you. Sincerely.

    In the event of a product that you know works but needs field testing, would you ever suggest the people here be testers?

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    Hi,

    Yes in the past I have arranged samples for people in exchange for data and feedback but sadly people have abused this in the past and te promised feedback has been lacking at the end if the day.

    I am more inclined to offer to refund samples on completion of feedback as that is a fairer way to deal with things and assures feedback, otherwise it's an expensive process.

    David

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    It's hard to believe anyone could abuse your help in this way. Personally To help with a research slash field test project would be interesting, frankly.

    Yes, I've butted heads with a couple pros here but I sincerely appreciate the advice and expertise of you all. Free, too. You guys (and not just guys!!) have made a HUGE difference in the lives of hundreds of people. And in the lives of countless more who may have been infested with bed bugs had you not advised people here in ways to eradicate and not spread them.

    Well, I might be done with mine (not sure but it's been a month since last sighting and skin reactions are subsiding pretty drastically recently so I'm hopeful again) but in event I am not, if product is within my financial reach, I would be MORE than happy to try a product. Seems a refund --even partial--in return for data is more than fair.


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