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Just curious, because I was having a conversation on Thursday with the Orkin man about BB dogs. Later, I started to wonder what type of dog they use. Are they German Shepherd's? Golden Retriever's? Chihuahua's?
The Orkin man also claimed that their BB dogs are 100% accurate. Why do I find that hard to believe?
Too bad cats can't be trained to sniff out BBs, because our cat Gulliver is just lying around the apartment doing nothing most of the time...
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Lots of places use beagles, but I was told that any "hunting" dog would do. In fact "hatesbedbugs" raised concerns he had about beagles as bb sniffers, but I think that's probably the most common breed.
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I have not used a BB dog.
I have seen a number of scent detection dogs at work (They filmed a special about Bloodhounds where I work, for example.) I get the sense that some breeds continue to be preferred for some kinds of work: Bloodhounds seem to be a favorite for tracking. They use at least one Beagle at LAX to make sure people from int'l flights aren't bringing in food products they aren't supposed to.
However, my general impression is that for some scent detection it's less about breed and more about a particular dog's ability and desire to be trained and do the work. If you look, for example, at search and rescue dogs, or even the K9 units affiliated with various law enforcement agencies, there is a lot of breed variation.
Which, I guess, is a long way of saying that I don't know, but I wouldn't be surprised if one breed is used more often any more than I would be surprised to find out that there's a variety of breeds that are used.
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I shall take a moment to offer you a little history about working and scent detection K-9's. The history of working dogs goes back to 5th century B.C. In 1840 the Department of War purchased Blood-hounds for the purpose of tracking Seminole Indians and escaped slaves. The Germans were responsible for developing the German Shepherd as a multi-task dog, capable of tracking and protection. However, specific scent detection dogs really came in to the lime-light during the Vietnam war when a dogs air scent capability was, honed for the detection of land mines. From that, your drug, arson, bomb dog etc., developed.
Therefor, specialty sent detection dog development is still in its infancy. Professional K-9 organizations that train dogs are, coming to realize that certain breeds do have specific attributes. Case in point: Pilot Dog schools for the blind are only using Labrador Retrievers. Department of Alcohol Tobacco and Fire arms ONLY use Labrador Retrievers. Even though the Golden Retriever works equally as well, the Labrador Retriever is easier to maintain because of its short hair. Breeds and their attributes fall in to certain groups. For example the German Shepherd and the Rottweiler were bred for protection. A Blood hound of the hound group was bred strictly for tracking. Blood hounds could never nor, would they ever or, have they ever been used for drug detection. A Beagle of the hound group is, really a small version of the Blood hound. Blood hounds would never work or, be a part of the K-9 rescue effort for structural collapses simply because, they are a tracking dog. That type of situation requires an air scenting K-9. Most suited for that are, dogs that fall in to the retriever group. Retriever group encompasses, water and flushing dogs. Finding drugs requires air scenting skills from the K-9. The reason why is because there is no specific track scent that the K-9 can associated with for ultimately finding the drug location. The blood hounds nose is always on the ground, never in the air, trying to acquire a scent. AS is a Beagles nose.A retriever will use both methods for acquiring scent; on the ground and in the air. Scent rises. When scent has diminished on the ground due to heat and other extenuating factors, a dog with air scenting capabilities stand a better chance to locate the elevated scent. Beagles are not the most ideal breed of dog for detecting bed bugs. Keep in mind that law enforcement has never used a Beagle for drug detection. My understanding is that renown entomologist, Rick Cooper had, acquired a Beagle for bed bug detection. I was further told, he had working problems with the dog and gave it back.
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aw man. The dog that checked my mom's house and my car was a beagle. I was feeling better about her house but now...
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I don't agree that you need an air tracking dog for bb's,though.They leave their scent when they walk or in harborages,right? So the nose to the furniture and baseboards should do the trick.If you think about the fecal spotting and excretment,those are all on surfaces as well as in the air,I would think.It's an interesting question.I hope a dog handler visits and can give more insight.
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hatesbedbugs,
You really ought to disclose that you are a bed bug dog handler and which breed you use, since your comments may be biased due to this.
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Wow, thanks for all the information! I'm actually hoping that, at some point, our landlords opts to bring in a BB dog (though I don't think it's likely). Not only would it reassure me, but I love dogs!!
MylifeinZiplocs, I still think you should take some comfort in the fact that the Beagle didn't find anything. If it was trained, surely the beagle would have found a scent if you had anything!
I am convinced that Snoopy (from the Peanuts cartoon) is my guardian angel due to a number of strange coincidences in my life (long story), so it would thrill me if a Beagle came to our apartment. I just know it would foreshadow good things to come!
hatesbedbugs, again out of curiosity, what breed do you use?
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Nobugs, I am not in the habit of flaunting my reputation when. I view the information that I have provide here not for self-promotion but,rather humanitarian reasons. when I took the liberty to identify myself in the past, you chastised and threaten to exclude me from the web site. So I will at your request share that information with everyone at the end. My subsequent post provided history and identified professional organizations utilizing a particular breed of dog. I have indicated in the past that aside from the United States Department of Agriculture which, are fazing out the use of Beagles, Beagles have never, been used for specialty scent detection, discrimination task work. Research the history of Beagles, they are not multi tasking dogs. They are trained to track only, specifically a rabbit. Beagles were never bred to take their owner to the rabbit. The Hunter always had to listen for the Beagles bark and follow the bark to their dog. And that is providing they could keep up with their Beagle. The Retriever group is able to multi task, air scent as well as, track. People that sell the bed bug dog, recognized the Beagles docile nature and relative ease for handling. When you ask a dog to find a scent of a bed bug or egg you are asking the dog to show you were the bed bug is. That means the dog should be able to lead the handler to the location of the bed bug or eggs. So, why do we always observe the handler of the respective BB Beagle leading the dog around. Because, the Beagle handler, needs to manipulate the dog through the detection process. This puts severe limitations on the bed bug detection process.
You can observe the handler having to jerk the dogs head of the ground to,get the dog's nose up in the air to try to pick up an elevated scent. Why? Because it was bread into the beagle to always have its nose on the ground in the tracking mode. Many of your bed bugs are in high elevated areas. Oh sure, you have some one come back and say "my Beagle Blue, can find bed bugs in high places." And Blue very well may. However, it is more likely that, it will find the task more difficult.
Please keep in mind, a bed bugs "track" is short lived. Most of the time they spend in harborage.There is a science to scent. The presumed track will diminish very quickly especially with heat, moisture and sun light.
A highly trained bed bug detection dog would not require being handled on a leash. Most professionals would recognize the potential for creating, tension correction. This is where the dog feels the slightest bit of tension readjusting to disavow a previous command. Off lead detection dogs allow for complete transparency. It is the off lead dogs that take the handler to the bb site not, the handler taking the dog.
Some of readers have said that it dose not matter what dog is used it is all in the training. That is absolutely absurd. Take the Afghan breed of dog. This is strictly a dog that uses it sight to hunt. Thus it is classified as a sight hound. One might attempt to train a Afghan or a Greyhound to detect bed bugs. I think one would have their work cut out for them. Moreover, a happy dog will be a successful dog. I believe the structure the working dog should revolve around the dogs passion and breeding. Some one is now going to chime in saying, my Beagles tail, is always wagging when were working. Could that be because it is anticipating being fed for the first time in a long time?
Since were on the subject,I am strongly opposed to using food to motivate a detection dog. Their are significant potential draw backs. One major is, low blood sugar. Most if not all of the Beagles currently being used only get fed when they have detected bed bugs successfully. Their detection is based on food motivation. For any of you readers that suffer from hypoglycemia, you know the effects; low energy, foggy perception. And that is just short term. Dogs feel the same effects.
Here is a little back ground. You can get the rest off of my web site. I currently have four dogs that are pat of my family, not all, of the retriever group. My dogs are only trained by me. I have friends that own Beagles and Blood hounds and I love them dearly. Bed bug detecting work is just a fraction of the services that I provide. My dogs also, detect specific component, underground pipe line leaks and contaminated water sources and supply. Because, I am not a licensed pest control operator, I have no ulterior agenda for finding bed bugs for, purposes of selling, additional product or service.
Let me end this post by telling all of you bed bug detection wana-bees out their that, it is not as easy as, a lot of people make it out to be. if you talk with your communities police K9 officer you will find that, it takes a long time to develop a relationship with a working dog, and longer to understand its behavior. It is not just about "sit, find the bugs, good dog."
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hatesbedbugs,
I am very happy to hear that the Department of Agriculture is phasing out the use of beagles for detection. I happen to like beagles as a breed (although they aren't the breed I grew up with and aren't a breed I would like to own) and will be more than happy not to associate them with Customs lines at LAX.
I can also see how low blood sugar might faze a beagle, though; I also get somewhat confused and a little cranky when I haven't eaten too.
Having heard people who've used bb detecting dogs mention beagles before, I was curious to see if that was an industry standard or not. Sadly, your post hasn't exactly answered that question entirely because of your tone.
I know enough about dog breeds to know that some breeds have much stronger instincts than others for specific tasks. Having grown up with a breed of dog that was bred both to herd things and eliminate vermin, I saw first hand the results of what happens when an earth dog who likes to herd doesn't have outlets for those activities (namely, a lot of digging holes and a lot of herding children and toys.) A family member of mine still owns that breed, and I can testify from the numbers of cats chased and numbers of chipmunks killed and brought home that even in a dog that has never been used for what its breed was bred to do, that instinct can run very strong.
As a result, I am absolutely convinced that for most jobs, certain breeds have a tendency toward a disposition that makes them more inclined to happily motivate themselves to complete the work than others--although, I am equally convinced that within breeds there is always a fair amount of variation. I can understand that from the perspective of someone who wants to make his or her living by training working dogs effectively, you'd want to start with a breed that has a greater tendency toward the disposition than with a breed without that tendency.
And I do appreciate the distinction between a tracking scent breed like a Bloodhound or Basset hound and an air scenting breed. That's useful information that seems important to make, even if your grouping of dogs into breeds doesn't seem to be 100% iron clad, since German Shepards are often used as air scenting rescue dogs, even though they aren't generally listed with other air scenting breeds in terms of what they were originally bred to do. Retriever and herders are very different groups, not only in terms of the arbitrary distinctions made at dog shows, but also in terms of functionality.
However, I don't know about other people on the boards, but I'd be much more inclined to respect your professional expertise if the information were delivered without the heaping dose of condescension that comes with a lot of your posts. If an explanation of why shepherds and other similar dogs, like the Belgian Tervuren, often get drafted for air scenting work like border patrols and SAR comes with as much vitriol as your posts above, I'll be happy to skip it even if I am curious. Labs and Goldens are in the same group as poodles and Chessies, and I don't see people training standard poodles as bb detection dogs (even though personally, that sounds smart to me since poodles shed a hell of a lot less than most other retrieving breeds), so it's possible that as a curious and intellectually inclined layperson I am missing some of the finer points; however, like most people, I tend to be insulted by being talked down to. Amazingly enough, I respond well to being treated as if I am perhaps ignorant about details but capable of learning when spoken to like an equal.
Funny that.
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Buggy, let me make clear that my intention is never to personally demean anyone for their thoughts. I have no idea who your are nor, did you know who, I was until, I was invited by Nobugs to reveal myself. I clearly was happy to do it in my last post. As I have listed on my web site my, credentials speak for themselves. Now, for Poodle lovers like yourself, they are rated #2 on the list for dog intelligence. Boarder collie's are of course #1. FYI the Poodle is now being used by the French customs for contraband detection. And no, I am not being facetious. It is true. Out of the four dogs in my family one is a standard poodle. She is being trained for work other than bed bug detection. Oh, I almost forgot, Beagles are rated 72nd on the dog intelligence list. You queried about the German Shepherd. The German Shepherd though, in the herding group was primarily a protection dog for the sheep. Later on, both the Americans and the Germans harnessed the dogs tracking ability. If you are old enough you will recall that in the 1950's through 1980's the German shepherd was the dog of choice for all Pilot dog organizations.
In the 1990's those organizations transitioned over to using the Golden as well as the Labrador Retriever. They are genetically almost the same dog except, the Golden has the long coat and is always golden. And now, because of the minimal coat maintenance only, the labrador Retriever is the dog of choice for the Pilot programs.
My point is there was a relatively quick transition from the German Shepard as a Pilot dog to the exclusive use of the Labardore Retriever. Why do you suppose this is? Could it be because those training Pilot dogs found the Labrador Retriever more suitable for pilot service? Probably. So can we say, it was the evolution of experience? I think that would be a reasonable assertion don't you?
Moreover, were protection is not a necessary element for, the United States Customs and Boarder Patrol, Labrador Retrievers are the dog of choice for drug and contraband detection. A protection dogs instincts are to always be in that protection mode first, finding things is second for the German Shepherd unless, it is a bad guy. You will see that relentless trait in action when the Police K9 officer uses everything to hold his K9 back from biting the alleged bad guy. The German Shepherd will never go in to a tracking or detection mode until the alleged bad guy was removed from the German Shepherds presence. After bad guy removal it takes another half hour for the dog to calm down.
In summation, I do not speak for the alleged bed bug detection dog industry. I really don't think there is one. I think anyone seeking the services of a bed bug detection dog really needs to do, their due dilagence. Hopefully, I have provided some new insight into bed bug dog detection.
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Gary,
I think there is a difference between revealing your identity and disclosing you work in an industry (and have a Lab, apparently) to promoting your business or using the forums for advertising (which is clearly against the Terms and Conditions of the site).At no time did I tell you or anyone else not to reveal your identity, nor threaten to exclude you from the site for doing so. I was probably trying to identify for you where you were crossing the line of our Terms and Conditions of use, which prohibit promoting your business.
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Hatesbedbugs. I always love to learn something new. Especially when it comes to K9 detection. I have unfortunately had quite a few k9 inspections in the past. Some inspections have put me into a true state of panic in the past for lack of knowledge. So please continue to help and give information when you can. I have learned from some mistakes in the past and hope others do as well.
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I have 2 Pomeranians - they are as cute as buttons and loving as can be - but they are also as dumb as rocks!! i would hate to know where they rank on the canine IQ scale!!!
I've kind of suspected that tree stumps are smarter than these 2!
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I just looked it up - Poms are 23 out of 79!!!
that's a fairly high doggy IQ and much much higher than I thought they would be!!!
dunno - maybe I got the exceptions to the breed 'cause my dogs are NOT about to save anyone from a burning building ANY time soon
(or find bedbug harborages either!!)
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Paula, my reason for the slight name change resulted from my inability to access my original usage of, Hatebedbugs. It was probably due to a computer glitch that day. So, I added a (s) and I was able to access the forums. And thank you for your expression of appreciation.
Adele, unfortunately there is not a lot of history with the Pom. As you probably know, they are an off-shoot of the Spitz. There was a German Spitz and the American Eskimo dog which, is a Spitz. And be proud of them. 23rd is better than 72nd place on the dog intelligence list.
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Adele - this whole dumb-dogs things = an act, to get us human slaves to willingly and happily cater to their every whim. In fact I'll bet they learned it from cats...
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Hi,
I beg to differ the cat lovers thing is actually based on a micro-organism called Toxic Plasma Gondii a highly developed and well spread single celled organism.
Its normal method of reproduction is asexual but once in a while I prefers the company of others and for evolutionary purposes wants to exchange material with other single celled Gondii. The problem is that its preferred location for doing this is in the colon of cats.
Now here is the fun part, in order to facilitate doing this organisms that get infected with it develop an affinity for cats. People become cat lovers while there is a lot of evidence to support the fact that infected rats become oblivious tot he dangers that cats pose to them.
By encouraging interactions with cats the organism is more likely to be able to sexually reproduce and continue its colonisation of the world.
Therefore its not the cats that control the people but a micro organism that happens to think that cats bottoms are the place to live.
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losingit - i'll bet your right - 'cause they have me wrapped around their tiny little paws!!
GAry - thank you for your wealth of info re: dogs! I enjoyed reading your post
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Adele and David, scent you both Personal Messages.
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DAvid - WHAT IN THE WORLD ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT??!!!
Do you repeat this golden tidbit of trivia to the cat-loving people in your life?!! your dates perhaps?!!! Bet this discourse scores you some "brownie" points!!!
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hatesbedbugs - 9 hours ago »
Adele and David, scent you both Personal Messages.
GaryHi Gary,
Nice pun but I cant read the memo unless it has a subject heading please resend.
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Adele - 4 hours ago »
DAvid - WHAT IN THE WORLD ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT??!!!
Do you repeat this golden tidbit of trivia to the cat-loving people in your life?!! your dates perhaps?!!! Bet this discourse scores you some "brownie" points!!!Hi Adele,
What may initially appear as trivia is in fact a prime example of higher organisms (man) being affected by a single celled organism in a very unusual way. Basically this single celled organisms has probably had a more significant impact on the world and society than any other single factor I can think of. Although they cause no harm they are still fascinating to learn about.
I have to confess I am usually too busy discussing other things with my dates, mainly ensuring that they know about bed bugs and do not put me at risk of infestation. I am also more of a dog person than a cat but until I get the test to see if I am a toxic plasma gondii carrier I will not know if that is through free will or my body fighting the influence of an invader.
David
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Has anyone ever used a Pitbull Terrier as a bb dog? They are actually very intelligent and have a keen sense of smell. Pits are used as SAR dogs, drug sniffing dogs, customs agents and police dogs. As you can tell, these are my favorite breed. Don't know how they "score" on the intelligence table but from all my research, very smart and fast learning.
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Angie: 'Has anyone ever used a Pitbull Terrier as a bb dog?' I think they could be used as an intimidation factor. Get in there and growl menacingly at the bbs? Sure might scare the crap out of me...
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Let's not go that route, please. They are only as intimidating as the media portrays them.
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No offense meant Angie, I love dogs and have never had a problem with pitbulls, ever. It was a funny visual, that's all!
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Using a Pit Bull Terrier might make it easier to collect your inspection fees...
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LOL! It is a funny visual. Seeing all the little bb's carrying their little suitcases out the door.
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I'll help them carry their stinking little suitcases, even call a cab for them -
Just noticed your icon/pic - what a cutie!
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For those who are not K-9 trainers, I just wanted to provide a different prospective. "hatesbedbugs" probably won't agree, but there's alway two sides to a story.
I am actually showing "hatesbedbugs" comments to local, state, and federal K-9 handlers/trainers. I want to say that he is obviously VERY knowledgeable with regards to breeds and their intention for breeding specific dogs. The point I make to handlers/trainers when I provide information to them about dogs is this, look at the dogs capabilities AND its limitations. From that make a decision, along with monitoring during training, whether the dog has the capabilities your looking for. A knowledgeable trainer can take a "air scent" dog and make it track nose down, and take a "track" dog and make it "air scent". I've trained "protection" dogs, one would bite you because, another I would cut loose in a classroom for all the kids to pet. No two dogs are the same, even from the same breed.
I hope this was some helpful information for those considering a dog for help. Don't be influenced from discussion, do some work. Talk to people who have used the K-9 services from a particular business, were they happy, talk to more than one person. Remember there is always more then one option.
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Jessip, you were correct that, I would disagree with you but, not on all accounts. My experience with search and rescue, air scenting dogs, tracking dogs specialty scent detection, discrimination task canines is extensive. Let me start by saying that I have NEVER ever, seen a Bloodhound or a Beagle trained to air scent. I have seen attempts but with no success. However, most dogs that air scent can be trained to track. I have been at courses where they have tried to train Bloodhounds for cadaver water detection. Out of the ten Bloodhounds that were attempting to get approved for underwater cadaver search in a water craft, one Bloodhound was barely successful in detecting the cadaver sent. Moreover, little did the Bloodhound owners realize that 99.9% of Bloodhounds are cadaver shy. I wasn't going to tell them about the Bloodhounds limitations with cadaver. Not until, they had taken their dogs through the process. Because, you can't tell people that their dogs have limitations especially SEARCH&RESCUE-WANA- BEE"S. They just would not have, believed me. In addition, a high percentage of German Shepherds are cadaver shy and begin to urinate when they get close to human cadaver. Back to Bloodhounds. Law enforcement has come to recognize the air-scenting is not the Bloodhounds forte. One will never see a bloodhound used for finding drugs or other stationary contraband. Why? Because, it is a air scenting task. I was at search and rescue training seminars where an individual walked off from a scent article and staged himself a tree. The Bloodhound, after being scented, went down the road two miles, past the tree where the man was hiding. We finally called the man back with his dog or, else they would still be looking for the guy. So why didn't the Bloodhound find the man in the tree. Because, it was 80 degrees and the scent had already dissipated and the Bloodhound did not, pick up the scent cone. Why didn't the Bloodhound pick up the scent cone? Because the Bloodhound is a tracking dog with their nose constantly to the ground. On-the-other hand a retriever was scented on the same article, and not only identified the second man that was part of the scent article but, came in from behind where the man in the tree was staged and alerted to, his where abouts. The scent of the staged man was blowing off the tree creating a scent cone. The retriever followed the preponderance of scent to the staged man. It is next to impossible to teach a tracking dog like a Bloodhound how to pick up a scent cone. And why would you want to try? Breeds that air scent naturally can find a scent cone. Bloodhounds are cold tracking dogs just like a beagle. Bloodhounds are effective where there is minimal heat, lack of sun light and where it is cool and the track is preserved.. Scent diminishes with sun light and heat. Moreover,one will never find Bloodhounds part of a disaster search and rescue team. Why is this? Because, people in collapsed structures have not left a track or, a scent for the Bloodhound to follow.
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I didn't understand your post about cat lovers until I read the full article.
I am impressed with your hypothesis about T. Gondii ruling the world.
The theory also supports empirical evidence about the etiology of "crazy cat ladies". I always thought it was just a mean stereotype till I read the article.
Thanks for enlightening me.
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Thu Dec 4 2008 21:11:17
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Here is a link for the article
http://www.forteantimes.com/features/commentary/24/of_rats_and_cats_and_suicide.html -
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Wow, just catching up on this thread tonight. Lots to read.
Adele, I had no idea you had dogs. I assumed, from your avatar, that you had a cat!
Doug, thanks for posting that article, as I had no idea what David was talking about until I read it. Very interesting read.
And David, just a quick tip ... you might want to try discussing different topics on your dates besides BBs. I don't think there are are too many ladies out there who get turned on by discussions of protocols, laundry or DE. Or, if you absolutely need to discuss BBs, stick to the topic of caulking. Just saying the word "caulk" a couple of times might put ideas in her head.
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As someone who has raised both scent and sight hounds of various breeds (namely beagles, bloodhounds. vislas and basenjis respectively) I can say no specific breed can always sight or scent everything, but most are very adept at the specific training accorded to them. IT ALL DEPENDS ON THE DOG!! Some breeds, no matter how adept they're supposed to be at a specific skill, can go astray. I don't find multi task dogs all that efficient. You know the phrase "Jack of all trades, Master of none"? I fully believe this. A dog needs to be trained for a certain task, and that task only.
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Ineedrelief, maybe there is something to the points you tried to make. BLOOD ........hound. Bed bugs live on blood only. Maybe, we have been mistaken and it is really the BLOODHOUND that should be used for detecting bed bugs.
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Paula, my reason for the slight name change resulted from my inability to access my original usage of, Hatebedbugs. It was probably due to a computer glitch that day. So, I added a (s) and I was able to access the forums.Gary, and everyone, please do not start a new account because of a lost password; if you have problems with your account, you should click the lost password button to reset it and/or contact admin (me) if you need a reset.
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Itchy-Scratchy - 2 days ago »
And David, just a quick tip ... you might want to try discussing different topics on your dates besides BBs. I don't think there are are too many ladies out there who get turned on by discussions of protocols, laundry or DE. Or, if you absolutely need to discuss BBs, stick to the topic of caulking. Just saying the word "caulk" a couple of times might put ideas in her head.Don't worry I have a whole different set of chat up lines for young ladies that have nothing to do with BB's. I would share a few theories but NoBugs would remind me that the forum is for all ages and not just over 18's.
I am glad that someone picked up on the full story behind the Gondii, it really is a fascinating subject although a little far from the subject of this forum. It just goes to show the lengths I go to in collecting some of my diverse and bazaar facts. That and the fact that one of my girlfriends parents run Fortean Times and if you want to get the latest information on Morgellans and other "grey goo" diseases its the only easily accessible source.
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Posted 4 years ago
Mon Dec 8 2008 14:39:20
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Is that someone being condescending again? I'm not naming specific breeds for BB "detection". Merely making a distinction of breed behaviors and how they can be (or not be) so variant in their "duties", whether it be sight, scent, air tracking vs. ground tracking, etc. It was not meant to define but rather to inform. Thanks.
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Oh I dunno - the sight of a man in uniform (even a PCO uniform), fully 'equipped' (ahem) with a few good 'tools'? The metaphors are endless.
I need a cigarette, excuse me...
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Posted 4 years ago
Mon Dec 8 2008 16:07:49
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I can only attest to a dog breed, that based on my ownership of 2 of them for a number of years, would NEVER be appropriate for BB dogs
My 2 Pomeranians don't even answer to their own names when I call them let alone being trained to find Bedbugs!!! it's funny!
Kate - my avatar was a gift from Marixpress - and a tribute to her - I am not a cat person at all actually - But of course my 2 dogs have been accused of being "cats"
Despite their intellectual challenges - my dogs are still my little darlings!!!
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Mon Dec 8 2008 16:25:18
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Adele: funny that, my cat behaves like a dog. Needs attention all the time, not distant or aloof like other cats I've had. None too smart, but I'd be lost without him! Though I notice he has ME well trained so I guess he's brighter than I thought -
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losingit - 3 hours ago »
Oh I dunno - the sight of a man in uniform (even a PCO uniform), fully 'equipped' (ahem) with a few good 'tools'? The metaphors are endless.
I need a cigarette, excuse me...LOL, that's pretty funny and apt. Forget Pearce Brosnan ... the man of my dreams is now a PCO who would be empathetic to my plight!
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Posted 4 years ago
Mon Dec 8 2008 18:20:35
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better to be empathetic to your plight than pathetic at the job, or on the job for that matter.
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I used to work for Porkin and most of their sales team are in for the money. Thats why I only stayed for 6 months and said good bye and try not to cheat customers.
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ASAPEST.COM - 2 hours ago »
I used to work for Porkin and most of their sales team are in for the money. Thats why I only stayed for 6 months and said good bye and try not to cheat customers.ASAPEST,
I've just read several posts in which you have negative things to say about Orkin and Terminex.
My understanding of pest control *in general* is that different technicians at the same company will have different skills, attention to detail, etc.
I have no relationship with these companies (that I know of), but we don't often see pest professionals come on the forums and start insulting other PCOs.
Even if you do see something wrong with a company, you should be aware that you are responsible for what you write here. Just so you're aware, if you post something someone might see as slanderous or libelous, they may come after you legally.
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