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1231
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Ok, so here goes so far.
Jeff Klien showed up about 7:30 AM. He did an inspection and guided us through everything that needed to be removed from the house due to the heat causing danger. This included all alcohol, aerosols, creams, lotions, candles, pens, lighters, vcr tapes, and cassettes and I think that is pretty much it. He is very nice, and very knoledgeable. I left the tapes and cassettes in the home, they are not responsable for any damage, but I can always replace those. He had a dog with him, what a sweetie! A little beagle named Little Bit. His team of 4 other men arrived shortly after and they quickly started dismanteling the beds and moving equipment in. He brought the dog in after this, which he said was a mistake on his part, becuase it was a bit too much excitement for her. They brought in 4 enormous heaters, weighing about 225 each. They have an unmarked truck with a very quiet generator. They removed all switchplate and outlet covers. Right now, they are working on my second floor. They will then move to the first floor when that is done. He said they will be treating the attic and basement as well with residual sprays. So, once all got under way, I changed into my fresh clothes and here I am at work. I will update later on how the rest of the day goes. -
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Wed Nov 5 2008 12:22:09
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Best of luck to you! So they don't have to tent the house or anything? You said they move to the first floor when the 2nd floor is done, so can they do the house in one day? How long does everything have to stay at the high temperatures? Do they have to dismantle all furniture or just the beds? Do you have to do anything with your closets, etc? What state are you in, if you don't mind my asking?
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Wed Nov 5 2008 12:25:13
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No tenting the house. I am in NJ. I used AAA Superior Pest Control, they advertise on here. They only took apart the beds. All of your clothes need to go on hangers. It takes about a total of 16 hours. They said they will be there until midnight +/- depending on how the house holds the heat. It is very slowly heated to 140 and has to remain there for 3 hours.
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What about underwear, socks, towels, etc? All hung? What about books, extra sheets and blankets, etc.? I'm just trying to figure out how you'd have to hang everything.
Sounds like a lot of preparation on your part, although at least it doesn't have to be washed and/or drycleaned! -
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Wed Nov 5 2008 14:02:36
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For what it's worth, when I had thermal remediation done, there was nothing about clothes needing to be on hangers.
I didn't have to do anything in particular about extra blankets, books, etc.
I had to remove most of the same things (our guy sad nothing about alcohol based products like hand sanitizer, with some amusing results on my part), but did mention liquor and wine (which could be stored in the fridge).
Perhaps since I didn't do that, they heated my place a bit longer?
Anyway, best of luck 1231--may you have awesome results from the treatment.
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1231
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Wed Nov 5 2008 14:12:05
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Thanks everyone for the well wishes! The option was to wash everything or hang it, so I mostly hung everything, underwear and extra bedding is being washed. We had just moved into the house, so I really didn't do much unpacking. This is a home I purchased and this problem came with it. The stuff we had in boxes we just took out and layed around the living room so the heat can be distributed and the items aren't all clumped together where they might not get the full effect.
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Wed Nov 5 2008 19:49:51
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Thanks for the update 1231. I hope your problem is gone for good!
Also, just a gentle reminder: once you start a thread, it can be helpful to post the follow-ups on the same thread. That way if people find it, they find the rest of the story and don't have to hunt for additional threads.
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Ok, the job is done! I am still nervous about finding any, but that's just my head. I think it will take a couple of weeks for that to settle down. I went into my house last night and I have never felt heat like that in my life!!!! Jeff said that they came crawling out of my bedding while they were working upstairs, so that really grossed me out! And I see lots of dead ones around, so that's a good sign. They had my sectional apart and turned up on it's side, letting the heat really get at it. The house was still at 80 F at 7:30 am this morning. The house was pretty tossed up, but that's ok, it lets me know the job was thourough. The sectional and beds were put back together, beds were not remade. All of the outlet covers and switchplates were replaced. Mattress and boxspring covers were torn off. I have all of the bedding to wash, and lots of clothes to pick up and put away, but again, I am ok with this. I will keep you posted as time passes with results.
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I hope you don't mind my asking, and if you choose not to answer, I'll understand. But - what is the approximate cost of this treatment for a two story home? And, was the beagle, Little Bit, a bedbug detection dog?
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Thu Nov 6 2008 11:41:14
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In another thread I think 1231 mentioned they are in a 1300sq ft home and it ran about $3000. I don't know if the dog or putting down residual in the attic and basement was extra or not. I wonder if the k9 was or will be used after thermal treatment for confirmation of 100% eradication. I would think they couldn't do that when the house was piping hot after treatment.
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Thanks guys! Paula was correct, $3000 for a 1300 sq ft colonial. That's what my tax records say, but Jeff thought my house is closer to 1600 sq ft. Little Bit was a detection dog, and yes it would have been way to hot to bring her back in afterwards! Paula, I am not sure if they come back and reinspect, I guess I will find that out going forward.
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Thu Nov 6 2008 12:46:08
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Good Job Jeff and 1231!
This sounds like what we would do as well. We use propane heaters usually so we can complete the job quite a bit faster, but even then we run into days that take 12 hours.
We encourage people to hang their clothes, but we go through the home and "toss" the contents of the dressers in any case (basically we just stir up the clothes). The same thing with stack of clothes n closets. The only thing we really want to make sure is that there are no stacks of clothes or boxes, tubs etc on the floor. Other than that the heat will penetrate everything.
Detection dogs after a thermal treatment need to be thoroughly screened. Since no fecal matter, dead insects etc are removed then live scent trained dogs become much more valuable.
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Any thoughts a few days post treatment? We're 98% sure this is the method we're going to go with. We're just working on the budget right now to make it work.
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Well, actually last night was our first night post treatment. I selpt in my summer pajamas to expose skin, and I did not take benadryl, so that if I did get bit, it would swell right up. No new bites this morning! It will be a while before I really let my guard down, but this has me very encouraged! I know it is very expensive. I have my lawyer working on it trying to see if we can get the seller of the house to pay us back. If you have the means to do it, I suggest it, and good luck!!!
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4 days post treatment:
Signs are VERY encouraging! I moved the bed agaist the wall last night. Not one sighting or bite! -
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I just wanted to add, that not sure where 1231 is, but we got a quote for an apartment in MA and it is a little bit higher than that, but I think it requires some additional logistical challenges. We're working with neighbors to make this happen! Glad to hear you're still positive on it.
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Well, one week down and things are still all good! I just spoke with Jeff, he told us to also spend a couple nights in our other bedroom, and if after another week things are still ok, we should be in the clear!!!! I am too excited!!!
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Thanks for the update, you are definitely in my thoughts right now, we are counting down the days until our thermal treatment and kicking ourselves for not signing up sooner.
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Thu Nov 13 2008 22:46:30
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When is your treatment? I wish you all the luck in the world!!!
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Thu Nov 13 2008 22:48:47
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How often were you getting bites or seeing other signs before? Is this the longest you have gone without bites or signs? I am getting a Thermal estimate Monday and I too am encouraged by your postings.
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I purchased a home and the problem came with it. We noticed the problem the night before we were to move in while painting the bedroom. Didn't find out what they were until moving day when a friend of mine identified. We then moved everything back to where we were staying. He did 4 treatments for us that week, and we moved in the following week. The bites and sightings started immediately. I was probably bitten 30x in one night. He came back a week later and did 2 more treatments, but no luck. I found this site, learned a lot and called AAA. I contacted them on 10/30, received a call back on 10/31 in the am, and they came on 11/5. Not a bite or sighting since!!!
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Sat Nov 15 2008 10:15:14
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This is so encouraging to hear!! Please keep posting.
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We've also had thermal done, and as we were moving, we put everything into a trailer and they treated the trailer. The night we got our things back into our new apartment, I continued to get a few more bites. We contacted the company immediately and they were in our place by the end of the week to do the bedroom. That was about 10 days ago, and nothing since! The thermal company were just as shocked as we were that there were still bugs after the first treatment, but they were very supportive and acted quickly.
Good luck to everyone who is going this route! I strongly advise it - especially if youve gone through the sprayings and things havent worked out.
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Wed Nov 19 2008 10:40:34
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This is an encouraging thread. Any updates 1231?
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I was just getting ready to update. I slept in the spare bedroom this weekend, and I got a bite
I immediately called Jeff Klein, and he set me up for an appointment for yesterday. Monday night, my husband also saw a bug on the wall in the living room. The guys came yesterday and pumped all of my walls full of foam. What it is exactly, I don't know but it smelled like Vick's vapo-rub; a menthol scent. Hopefully, this will be the end of the line, they said that the residual will last a month. I will keep you all posted.
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I'm sorry. I hope this second shot works out. I have such high hopes for thermal.
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OH NO!! I know how terrible you must feel. I am so depressed, loosing weight, can't sleep all night, etc. I am getting Thermal treatment tomorrow. What could have possibly gone wrong, did your company say? Are they going to redo the Thermal. Do you have a warranty? I was somewhat excited about my Thermal, but now, just pesimistic as always. I took the whole day off work today to prepare :(:(:(:(
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How awful! I'm very curious as to what they pumped in your walls that smells like Vick's.. My heart goes out to you...... Hope whatever they used kills the very last bug in your home.
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My home is very old and there are just so many crevices. In addition to the thermal, they had also put down pesticide. I think that the infestation was actually that bad that not all were wiped out. But don't get me wrong, it is a HUGE improvement from when we first moved in. I do have a warranty for 3 months. There are no plans as of now to do another thermal, Jeff is very confident that this sould be the end of it.
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Wed Nov 19 2008 21:54:57
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Aballen, may I ask what they are charging you to do thermal treatment of your house?
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$2,700 for 2,200+ square feet ranch with finished full of unknown square footage. I was realllllly excited until 1231 posted today. We are ready and going to do it tomorrow.
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aballen,
Good luck. Check your company's warranty!
Luckily 1231 has a warranty AND reacts to bed bug bites. Hopefully it will be all clear when the warranty runs out.
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So far so good last night! We have not been bitten in our bedroom though since the thermal. The test will be once I sleep in the spare room this weekend I think. Good luck today aballen!
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1231 and others who are concerned about thermal:
Understand that there are only three reasons for a thermal treatment to fail:
1) Not hot enough EVERYWHERE.
2) Not hot enough long enough.
3) Re-introduction.Jeff is new and an old single family heritage home full of belongings is a challenge to heat. As nobugs states, check your warranty. We have had a few failures recently as well, mostly due to staff taking a few shortcuts (due to overconfidence) or excessive clutter not being dealt with properly. We've NEVER needed a third treatment. Just like you can have failures with Vikane (a windy day and a faulty tarp or not opening all the bagged belonings etc) due to applicator error, the same can occur with Thermal. As a matter of fact I would expect to hear about a bunch of failures in the near future as new providers come on board and go through the inevitable learning curve. The technology is still sound... the "bugs" just need to get worked out of it for each provider.
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I just wanted to reiterate that my very cluttered apartment was successfully treated (in a multi-unit building) with a single thermal treatment.
As Tony points out, I suspect experience makes a big difference in how often treatments are successful in the first go round. I was very lucky that out here on the west coast, pest control companies have been using thermal for a long time (albeit on termites instead of bed bugs).
1231, keep us updated. I'll keep my fingers crossed that this last bit took care of the rest of them.
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I am guessing my failure was due to 1) Not hot enough EVERYWHERE. There are so many cracks and crevices in this house. There is virtually no clutter in my home since we just moved in, and they had my rooms at the 140F mark for 4 hours. We have not re-introduced any, as I unbagged all of my belongings and hung them for the treatment. Thanks for the well wishes buggy!
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hi buggy in socal. Which company did you use?
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Also, what is the difference between Electrical Heat Treatment vs...? What are the different types? What types does the thermapure technology use?
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almost dying, do a search for my posts and search for "thermal" and you will find most of the answers you are looking for. If you want more answers, feel free to PM me and I'll do my best to answer your questions.
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Just an update, I slept in my spare room last night and awoke bite free!!! YAY!!! I really think we are on our way now!!!
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yay!
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1231 -- I'm sure I speak for a lot of people when I say how excited we are that you're a success story, and will hopefully continue to be.
I spoke to Jeff Klein about possibly treating my girlfriend's apartment and he was super kind, actually quite talkative, and had a lot to say about bedbugs. Did you do a competitive bid, or did you just go for it since he's so well represented on these boards?
Also, when you mention at the top of this thread that you had to have all our clothing on hangers, what did you do about folded items that go in drawers like t-shirts, underwear, sweaters, etc? Did you try to hang as many as you could, or did you just do a massive laundering of all those items even if they were clean?
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Hey prevention, I am not a success story yet, but hoping to be! Jeff is so nice, and so kind, he is a pleasure to work with, and knows so much about the subject. I just went for the price quoted, since I know of no one else in the area that I could compare with. I put everything on hangers, even as much underwear as I could LOL! I washed other items such as extra sheets and socks. Best of luck to you and I will keep you all updated!
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Temp-Air notified me that there was a conversation going on about this job. We have this home scheduled for a reheat. We were not aware of the length of time that the infestation was present for or we would have started with foaming all the wall and floor voids. My mistake for not inspecting previous to doing the job. We have extended the warranty on this job and have not charged any additional fees for the additional foaming work. We learn from our mistakes and it is important to note that in the last 4 months with an average of 3 treatments per week this is our second retreat. We are doing work in hotel rooms, apartments, private homes and have had tremendous success. I believe that thermal treatments will be the norm in the future as chemical resistance becomes more prevalent. Massey services in Florida treated over 650 hotel rooms in 2007 with less than a 5% failure rate. That beats chemical application hands down. You can read up on the article in the October 2008 PCT magazine online. Follow this link http://pct.texterity.com/pct/200810/?pg=106&pm=2&u1=friend
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Thanks for the response, JeffKlein.
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Since there has not been another post on this thread for 7 months I am hoping that all now is well and the problem was eliminated.
We just contacted AAA this morning and must have spoken with a receptionist as she did not seem to know how to answer the questions we had and kept asking someone and coming back with part answers. We are supposed to get a call back from someone - I am hoping Jeff Klein - to arrange a time to come and look at our house. There is another Thermal service very near by, but we are going to first to talk to AAA because of this thread.
If there are any updates I would appreciate hearing them.
I am so afraid that we will go through this at great expense and somehow the BBs will get in the house again - after all they got in the first time.
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Thanks for this very useful website and information. Was wondering for those of you that have completed thermal treatment - they had you hang all clothes. What about books, carpets on wood floors, sofa cushions, tv/stereo (plastic electrical appliances/equipment), etc? What did you have to do?
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Well, Jeff is coming to the house tomorrow to do an inspection on our house. At this point the bugs have won!! We moved out. We are living in a tent in the backyard!! It is a 2 bedroom luxury apartment!!! We actually slept for the first time in 6 weeks last night, so did the dog...First night, not one bite!!! This all started about 2 months ago after my roommate had gone to 2 dermatologists (one thought she had scabies) and her primary doc to try to find out where these mysterious marks were coming from. As you can probably guess the MD had no clue, I think he told her "lets just hope it goes away". HELLO, why dont they know about the breakfast, lunch, dinner thing that these blood suckers have going on. Looks pretty easy to identify to me. He gave her various products that were of no help. Then one morning she showed me 2 tick looking things that she caught in her room. We immediately called an exterminator and 2 months later/2 treatments and a thousand loads of laundry later we have become experts on the behavior of these nightmarish creatures. We also pretty much packed up our whole house. They DONT die from insecticide. We have been educated on cryonite and Heat. At this point Heat makes the most sense because it seems to have the broadest range, kills the eggs (which, Im told pesticides dont). We also will not have to throw out $4000.00 worth of furniture, which we were told to do by 3 chemical pesticide companies who wanted to charge us anywhere from $1500.00 to $3000.00. I really cant believe that I was told by these companies that Heat an Cold dont work in an effort to have me spend more and more money on products that will not even kill the eggs. Unethical and just not nice. I was actually crying in one guys office. This is a nightmare. I would rather have rats!! We cant wait to meet Jeff. He has already been awesome. Very understanding, and he seems to know everything there is to know about bedbugs. He was the first/only person that made me feel like there is an end in sight to this madness. I will keep you all posted!!
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I said I would be back to let you all know how things went with Jeff and his crew. Its been 2 weeks and NO BITES!!!! Dont get me wrong, im still a nervous wreck, but I think its done. He was fantastic!! They showed up at 8:30 in the morning and worked till almost 10pm. Very dedicated crew. I would highly recommend them. Good luck to you all and I will still keep you posted as we all know the life cycle of these bloodthirsty critters!! Thanks again, Jeff!!!
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I really don't understand how the forum works because I see people's posts (a few sentences) but then they are cut off and I don't know how to see the rest of them. All the topics are of importance to me, but how do I see a person's entire response. Thanks
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Debgub,
This is a known problem with older versions of Internet Explorer. Either update your browser software and/or switch to a different browser like Firefox. You should be able to see full posts then.
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Okay So here we go ......... A few months ago i started finding little bugs under my couch, behind furniture, in my dresser, and in my kids canvas toy bins. I freaked out and had a PCO out right away. They said my little furry friends were carpet beetles and that they would get rid of the right away. It's now been about three months and 6 sprays inside including attic, garage and dusting in walls. About 3 weeks ago i contacted Jeff Klien and he gave me some advice about working with my PCO. He was very honest on the phone and I liked that he didn't try to push me into the thermal but suggested i give it a little bit and see if there was a improvement. About two weeks later i was still finding carpet beetles!!!! I called Jeff about a week and a half ago and he came out to my house the next day!! Jeff was at my house when he said he would be and spent an hour and a half answering all of mine and my husbands questions. He gave me two dates to choose from and My thermal is being done tomorrow and i'm so nervous but excited to have my house back. I was very impressed with Jeff and he was very helpful and trust me i called him like 5 different times and had a million questions for him. He never
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had thermal treatment at my home and saw many dead bugs.. unfortunately , found several lives one withuin 24 hours after treatment... luckily, had a warranty and the company doing the treatment is reputable.... they are coming back.. hiopefully this will work!!
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1231 update?
Hopefully 1231 won't even see this, having been bugfree for more than 2 years now so no longer needing to visit here.
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jrbtnyc - 22 hours ago »
1231 update?
Hopefully 1231 won't even see this, having been bugfree for more than 2 years now so no longer needing to visit here.You should be able to see on 1231's profile that this poster has not posted to any threads in two years.
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