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bugdepression
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Thu Mar 13 2008 19:33:58
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I'm moving deeper and deeper in to the forums and often the word "Residual Effect" has come up, along with "Works only on Contact"
What are the chemicals, non chemicals or anything on Mother Earth that I can buy online or in stores, that can be used around the house to achieve the "Residual Effect"
The PCO has come, done and gone, but did not touch our mattresses, cushions, etc. So we are looking to put something around that will have this Residual effect.
Am I right in understanding that Kleen Free, Murphy's Oil are only contact killers - which means if they are sprayed on bb "DIRECTLY" - it is only then will the bb die else, simply spraying them on furniture/clothes/mattresses etc. does not do much and the bb will just walk over them without any problem?
Murphy's oil has been discussed a lot here and frankly has left me confused. On one hand bedbuggers have spray it on furniture, etc. and report wonderful results and supposedly it has that bb killer chemical (forgot it's name)... but then in another thread a bedbugger called Murphy's Oil company and was told by the company that it DOES NOT contain the chemical, which left me confused.
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Posted 1 year ago
Thu Mar 13 2008 20:20:05
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bugdepression,
Yes,you have the difference between residual and contact killer correct.Alcohol is a contact killer if directly sprayed on a bb will kill it,once dry they can walk right over it with no ill effect.Murphy's oil soap is a contact killer,the ingredient doesn't seem to be listed,but at least one person on this forum has seen it work.There are some residual sprays you can buy over the internet and some from hardware stores.The best one I've found is Bedlam,it's not a proffesional strenth spray,but is labeled for use on mattresses and furniture.A certain Bayer home product has worked for at least 1 person here,but as you yourself saw it made them scatter,something you definately DON'T want to do.I would use the steam carefully and persistantly,followed by the bedlam once the area is dry.If you are not going the pco route ,you will have to inspect carefully to find out where they are harboring and attack that area.You will need the pictures on the blog of this site,hit the blog button,then click pictures at the top of the page.Then you will know what you are looking for,get a strong flashlight and start looking in all the cracks and crevices of the bed .Start with the boxspring(a favorite)mattress(another),take drawers out look at screw holes in particular of furniture close to your bed,dressers,headboard,nightstands.With the matress and upholstered furniture you look especially in the seams of the cloth in well hidden areas.If you find feces or eggs that area needs to be steamed and then hit with bedlam once dry.You can see why pco don't want to do this the right way,it's very labor intense and time consuming.This whole pcocess needs to be repeated every 2 weeks until you can't find anything and there are no more bites.BTW,you're not bug free until no bites or sightings for 2 months,these are very persistant pests.Good luck -
Bugdepression,
There are two main reasons most PCO's are reluctant to put residuals on mattresses and furniture. The first is that there are very very few products labeled for use on areas where the customer comes into direct contact with a treated surface. Why does that matter? Well, that line you will see on every label out there that says "It is a violation of federal law to use this product in a manner inconsistent with its directions"... that has teeth for a PCO. If we use a product in a way not covered under the label, we can be fined, have our license yanked, and generally have a very bad day. The second is that even if something is labeled for use on those areas, we have a big reluctance to use it, because if that particular customer happens to be part of the population that is hyper sensitive to the chemical used, and they get a bad reaction, guess who gets sued. Some of us also question applying anything especially to mattresses, because then you are exposing someone to pesticide contact for 8 hours a day... it just doesn't seem like a good idea.
All that said, if you do decide to use something like Bedlam, please please please read the label and follow it. Bedlam shouldn't be used as an area spray... the label specifically notes to focus on seams and tufts, etc. I've seen people hose down a couch or bed with it, which isn't exactly focusing.
The best treatments for a couch or upholstered furniture would be a combination of using residuals where allowed for, after doing a thorough steaming. Alternatively (but probably more expensively) you could look at chamber fumigation, or chamber heat treatment.
The other word of advice I have in regards to the word residual.. even if a product has a residual effect, the insect still has to not only cross a treated area, but must pick up enough of the residual product to get a lethal dose. With bedbugs, the physiology of the bedbug is working against us, as when they are unfed, they walk raised high off the surface they are on, and do not get those residuals on anything but their "toes". Since they don't groom themselves like many other insects, the little residual they do get on the feet doesn't get transfered into their systems. (A well fed happy bedbug has a very distended belly, which drags the ground picking up a lot more of that residual pesticide... which is why we try to talk all of our clients into acting as bait.)
A last note, if you do plan on doing self treatment on top of the PCO... let your PCO know... There are some combinations of chemicals that just don't work together. This can mean your treatment nullifies the PCO's. You can also cause problems if you use something with a similar active ingredient. In that case you are going to be "overdosing" an area, and exceed the labeled use rate.
If I confused you with any of that, or wasn't clear, let me know, and I'll be happy to confuse the issue further. I mean try to clear it up.
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I would seriously advise against doing it yourself. Read this FAQ:
http://bedbugger.com/2007/01/08/faq-should-i-do-my-own-pest-control/Also, as SPDIBBK9Handler said, if you are going to self treat on top of the PCO's work, you must talk to him first.
And, only use products for the purpose stated on the label.
Whatever you do, please look through the FAQs-- lots of info. there should be helpful.
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death2allbbs
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Tue Aug 26 2008 23:15:10
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SPDIBBK9Handler - 5 months ago »
All that said, if you do decide to use something like Bedlam, please please please read the label and follow it. Bedlam shouldn't be used as an area spray... the label specifically notes to focus on seams and tufts, etc. I've seen people hose down a couch or bed with it, which isn't exactly focusing.I don't know if SPDIBBK9Handler is still around(I might have to email him), but I purchased some Spraway Good Night from Home Depot:
http://spraywayretail.com/?p=SW003R
which is the exact same thing as Bedlam, but one of employees from Home Depot deduced that since the Good Night product says on the can that Good Night can be sprayed on mattresses, then it also can be sprayed on sofas, etc. And I had asked him about this a couple of times since the can has strong warnings about not absorbing this product through the skin, however, he basically insisted that it could be used on sofas(but after it has fully dried of course) since it can be used on beds. Any professional comments?
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tp123
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Posted 1 year ago
Tue Aug 26 2008 23:53:26
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Is this sprayway residual?
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tp123
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Wed Aug 27 2008 15:59:14
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Thanks for the link nobug, lots of info but it doesn't say if it residual, there is however a phone # to call for questions, you've been very helpful. I see 2 main ingrediates in bedlam with only one of them in sprayway, unless one of them goes by a different name
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death2allbbs
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Wed Aug 27 2008 23:25:08
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tp123 - 7 hours ago »
I see 2 main ingrediates in bedlam with only one of them in sprayway, unless one of them goes by a different nametp123, my PCO used Bedlam in my apartment and threw the empty canister in my kitchen trash can and I took it out and compared the active ingredients on the canister with the active ingredients on the canister of Good Night...and they matched word for word.
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tp123
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Thu Aug 28 2008 0:14:11
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Yeah i don't think they were all listed on the sprayway. I'll pick some up next visit to home depot....thanks
BTW, i guess if bedlam is a residual then sprayway would be too
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