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Tetramethrin, d-phenothrin, allethrin
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billyfieldman
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Posted 2 years ago
Sun Oct 31 2010 19:15:07
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As precaution, I bought a can of RAID spray. The active ingredients on the can says:
1.54g/kg Tetramethrin,
0.34g/kg d-phenothrin,
0.34g/kg allethrinIs this type of spray able to kill BBs?
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AustralianCimex
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Posted 2 years ago
Sun Oct 31 2010 20:32:00
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Tetramethrin
is a potent synthetic insecticide in the pyrethroid family.
So NO, on that chemical.d-phenothrin
also called sumithrin and phenothrin, is a synthetic pyrethroid.
So NO, on that chemical.allethrin
are a pair of related synthetic compounds. They are synthetic pyrethroids.
So also NO, on that chemical.Try a Carbamate or a Organophosphate.
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AustralianCimex
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Posted 2 years ago
Sun Oct 31 2010 21:16:06
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Home Insecticides and Efficiency.
It has been noted by many Bed Bugs resistance to pyrethroids.
(Boase et al., 2006, Romero et al.,2007)Taking a look at what is available on the Shelf of my local supermarket
I found many products which contain the following ingredients:
-Imiprothrin
-Cypermethrin
-Tetramethrin
-Phenthrin
-Piperonyl butoxide
-Deltamethrin
-Permethrin
-BifenthrinAll Pyrethroid based chemicals. BUT Piperonyl butoxide
that kind of surprised me! it was part of two sprays that may not be
available in the states.Piperonyl butoxide is a pesticide synergist. It does not, by itself have pesticidal properties. However, when added to insecticide mixtures, typically pyrethrin, pyrethroid, and carbamate insecticides, their potency is increased considerably.
It is one of the Active ingredients in Crackdown Residual Insecticide.
Which had been found to be was the highest performing of the synthetic pyrethroids, achieving
90% mortality after seven days and increasing slowly thereafter. by Stephen L. Doggert.
Crackdowns Active Ingredients Are:
10 g/L DELTAMETHRIN
10 g/L D-TETRAMETHRIN 20:80
80 g/L PIPERONYL BUTOXIDEThese two sprays active Ingredients Are:
1.08g/kg tetramethrin,
0.25g/kg phenothrin,
2.17g/kg piperonyl butoxide,
3.18g/kg n-octyl bicycloheptene dicarboximideThe Brands are:
Woolworths Select Low Irritant Insect Spray,
Home Brand Insect Spray Low IrritantIm looking to try these out
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billyfieldman
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Posted 2 years ago
Mon Nov 1 2010 20:51:38
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AustralianCimex: Tetramethrin
is a potent synthetic insecticide in the pyrethroid family.
So NO, on that chemical.Hi,
I'm a bit confused. You said it's potent but followed by NO on that chemical. Are you saying it won't kill BBs?I went to check out some flea bombs and they all have Permethrin as the active ingredient. Will chemicals that kill fleas also kill BBs?
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AustralianCimex
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Posted 2 years ago
Mon Nov 1 2010 22:32:25
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Bed bugs have developed resistance to Pyrethroids as well as DDT.
so any pyrethroid:
-Imiprothrin
-Cypermethrin
-Tetramethrin
-Phenthrin
-Deltamethrin
-Permethrin
-BifenthrinWont work. Cant you buy Bedlam?
Im looking into some Home Insecticides at the moment.
Their active Ingredients are:
-Diazninon (so far no success)
-Bifenthrin
-Piperonyl butoxideI wish I could find a home insecticide with:
-Propoxur or Pirimiphos methylThings that work on fleas, Dont work on bedbugs.
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AustralianCimex
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Posted 2 years ago
Wed Nov 3 2010 10:36:25
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Okay I have tried many household insecticides now
with not much luck.I have tried many with these active ingredients:
-Imiprothrin
-Cypermethrin
-Tetramethrin
-Phenthrin
-Deltamethrin
-Permethrin
-Bifenthrin
-DiazinonBut what I am now having success with is
Piperonyl butoxide, which is a pesticide synergist. It does not, by itself have pesticidal properties. However, when added to insecticide mixtures, typically pyrethrin, pyrethroid, and carbamate insecticides, their potency is increased considerably.Which is contained in these sprays:
-Woolworths Select Low Irritant Insect Spray
-Home Brand Insect Spray Low Irritant
-Pea Beu Low Irritant Aero
-Hovex Extra Strength Flying Insect SprayAlso its the active ingredient in:
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AustralianCimex
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Posted 2 years ago
Wed Nov 3 2010 11:05:50
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Pea-Beu Low irritant aerosol
is my Baygon propoxur...
except its lemon smelling!its Tetramethrin, Phenthrin and Piperonyl butoxide
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billyfieldman
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Fri Nov 5 2010 1:39:40
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Pea-Beu Low irritant aerosol
is my Baygon propoxur...
except its lemon smelling!its Tetramethrin, Phenthrin and Piperonyl butoxide
Thanks for the suggestions, AustralianCimex. Do you know if these ingredients have residual effect?
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Posted 2 years ago
Fri Nov 5 2010 2:06:01
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AustralianCimex,
I am not a pesticide expert, but keep in mind bed bugs are not universally resistant to pyrethroids. You probably would not want to rely on pyrethroids only, but many people do seem to use them successfully as part of a protocol.
This is what I gather from experts (and I stress I am not one). I also would encourage people not to give advice about pesticides unless qualified to do so (and willing to take legal responsibility for any issues which may arise as a result of your doing so).
billyfieldman,
I would not recommend using an over the counter spray to try and treat bed bugs.
If you must self-treat, you should do a lot of reading first, and find someone you can ask questions of. For reading suggestions, I recommend the Comprehensive Guides on the Resources page.
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Posted 2 years ago
Fri Nov 5 2010 12:48:02
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A study conducted by Dr Alvero at University of Kentucky found that field caught bed bugs did not demonstrate resistance to DE or other dusts in a lab study.
When applied properly in cracks and crevices, DE is an effective approach with a long term residual action that outlasts any OTC sprays.
YouTube and some pest control websites provide instructional videos on the proper application of dusts and chemical sprays.
The manner in which chemicals are applied can be critical for successful eradication.
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They do work I use an alphacypermethrin tetramethin solution with great results and usually clear a light infestation in one visit.
Its not what you use but how you use it bed bugs are not difficult to control if you apply the stuff correctly.
When you call a pro this is what you pay for.
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AustralianCimex
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Posted 2 years ago
Tue Nov 9 2010 23:01:59
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Yes, I just wish to advice that I am NOT qualified to comment professionally on pesticides.
I generally check out all active ingredients by using wikipedia.
Also I have tried many different home insecticides with these active ingredients:
-Imiprothrin
-Cypermethrin
-Tetramethrin
-Deltamethrin
-Permethrin
-Bifenthrin
-DiazinonI have little success with any over the counter spray.
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Sleepless in NYC
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Posted 2 years ago
Tue Nov 9 2010 23:17:00
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AustralianCimex - 12 minutes ago »
Yes, I just wish to advice that I am NOT qualified to comment professionally on pesticides.
I generally check out all active ingredients by using wikipedia.
.</block quoteBe careful with wikipedia. Wikipedia is not an encyclopedia
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AustralianCimex
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Posted 2 years ago
Tue Nov 9 2010 23:19:47
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I would refer to readers of this post to these two links:
Potter’s Studies on Suspend, Kicker, Phantom, Bedlam, Sterifab.
http://bedbugger.com/2007/12/20/potters-studies-on-suspend-kicker-phantom-bedlam-sterifab-new-information-about-bed-bug-behavior/THE RESURGENCE OF BED BUGS IN AUSTRALIA
http://www.icup.org.uk/reports/ICUP860.pdfquote:
"Over the last two years, there has been a number of international reports of insecticide resistance to
the SPs, the carbamates and the OPs (Boase et al., 2006; Karunaratne et al., 2007; Romero et al., 2007).
Thus, all of the insecticides registered (FOR USE IN AUSTRALIA) belong to those groups where resistance has been reported, and it was perhaps not surprising that large numbers of treatment failures were being reported."quote:
Effective insecticides for bed bug control.
Trade name | Active | %
Blattanex |Propoxur, tetramethrin, PBO 29.7%
Ficam | Bendiocarb 25.3%
Permethrin |Permethrin 14.3%
Cislin | Deltamthrin 12.1%
Actellic |Primiphos methyl 11.1%
Betacyfluthrin |Betacyfluthrin 11%and it always best to contact a Professional Pest Controller.
SO far I have spent:
1. New simple metal bed frame $290
2. Mattress Encasement $120
3. Pillow Encasements $80
4. Bed Bug Barriers $25
5. Numerous home insecticide sprays
-i) Baygon
-ii) Mortein
- iii) Crawly Cruncher Household Insecticide / Surface Spray
- iv) Hovex 2 in 1 Outdoor & Indoor Surface Spray
- v) Pea- Beau
Insecticides total: $40
COMPLETE TOTAL: $515whilst a Pestcontrol treatment quotes have been:
$330 to $200.* all amounts are in Australian dollars $AUD
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bbgirl
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Posted 2 years ago
Mon Mar 7 2011 11:38:14
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I was told by a PCO that propoxur causes cancer in children and that is why it's not available in many parts of the US. You should google it - there are studies available before opting to use this one - in Canada it's used to treat cockroaches and touted as safe to use in food areas though!
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