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solacex
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Wed Sep 9 2009 8:18:04
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I was afraid of this.
I am new and terribly scared. paid already over $1300 in "professionals"and products.
it has been a month now (so maybe not so new but apparently naive)I purchased Steri-fab from a pest control place uptown in NYC as well as some Bedlam spray.
Last night I did a test. Sprayed a whole bunch of Steri-Fab on the floor and I have captured several bug bugs in zip lock bags. Placed one on the floor to see if when he walks thru the stuff will he die.
NOPE, he did not die and I made him walk thru it Over...And Over ... And over again. I am a film maker. So I filmed it in high definition. I placed him back in the plastic zip lock bag. this morning he is still not dead.
I will post on this forum when he finally dies. He is very much alive and energetic, to boot!
I hate to say it but I am afraid that these professionals are selling us products that kill NOTHING. unless they drown from the water content. that is not a joke. The exterminator sprayed in a zip lock bag I had with a bug. But there was so much juice in there that the bug turned to mush and yes then died.
Please, someone find me a product that actually kills bed bugs.
if it is sold elsewhere in the world I will be happy to pay extra to get it.By the way they do not die from suffocation, they have been in zip lock bags for days and did not die at all, in fact they move fast in there.
Last but not least, I researched why we seem to have this problem in the first place. I thought beg bugs were like unicorns, a myth. well, they banned DDT in 1972 or 3 and since then malaria & beg bugs and more have returned. It was the only product that killed both bed bugs and malaria (the mosquito) and more and cheaply.
Just so you know...DDT does not affect humans, it messes with the environment But, only if used wrong. If used correctly it will not affect that either. It has been demonized and I think the industry that charges us $600 to get rid of bedbugs and tells us that it is that much more expensive than getting rid of roaches is behind it.
I am bitten each night and need a solution. someone help me/us. lets work together and find stuff that works. I am trying my best to help you guys learn from what I find out.
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spideyjg
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Posted 2 months ago
Wed Sep 9 2009 8:38:55
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Steri-Fab is an alcohol based contact killer. No residual effect at all. May not have been the product but the time between where the alcohol rapidly evaporated to a non lethal degree.
If they sold you Sterifab as a residual, they lied. 91% alcohol works just as well.
Good that you have captives to confirm on.
Jim
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By the way they do not die from suffocation, they have been in zip lock bags for days and did not die at all, in fact they move fast in there.
They die from suffocation, but it takes a long time... a single BB needs a tiny amount of air to survive, because it can slow its methabolism.Last but not least, I researched why we seem to have this problem in the first place. I thought beg bugs were like unicorns, a myth. well, they banned DDT in 1972 or 3 and since then malaria & beg bugs and more have returned. It was the only product that killed both bed bugs and malaria (the mosquito) and more and cheaply.
Just so you know...DDT does not affect humans, it messes with the environment But, only if used wrong. If used correctly it will not affect that either. It has been demonized and I think the industry that charges us $600 to get rid of bedbugs and tells us that it is that much more expensive than getting rid of roaches is behind it.
DDT-resistent strains of bedbugs are known since the end of 40's, infact it was recommended to use Malathion against them instead of DDT... I agree that DDT has been demonized, but actually BBs are still resistent , so it's not the "silver bullet"...
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spideyjg
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Wed Sep 9 2009 8:55:16
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As EffeCi mention DDT isn't the miracle it appeared as in the 40's.
I'm sure you hear tales in the news of antibiotic resistant bacteria? Pesticide resistance is similar and just like back when penicillin was first used it was damn near miraculous, nowadays its use is very limited because very little succumbs to it.
The story is very parallel to DDT.
Jim
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solacex
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Wed Sep 9 2009 9:02:27
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Malathion
what products have it?
Yes, there are resistant strains, but then they should not ban it they should perfect it, and it still works on malaria and other bugs and may work on my bedbugs. Since 1972 it has not been used here so 30 years means they may not be so resistant anymore. I wish I could test a product with DDT in it.
the steri-fab was a new, sealed bottle and and fresh spaying of it.
thanks for the informative responses.
solacex
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solacex
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Wed Sep 9 2009 10:35:56
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I tried my scientific experiment on the bug with bedlam spray and it did not kill it. It did slow it down and the bug was not happy about walking into it.
I placed him back in his zip lock bag and will see if he dies over the next few days.
personally I think we are being lied to and these products do not kill anything - residual, walking into it, at the time or over time.solacex
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spideyjg
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Posted 2 months ago
Wed Sep 9 2009 11:26:19
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solacex - 2 hours ago »
the steri-fab was a new, sealed bottle and and fresh spaying of it.
thanks for the informative responses.
solacexIt isn't the time the Sterifab was in the bottle but how long it sat on the surface before the bug was introduced. Alcohol is a volatile substance that evaporates stoopidly fast. Bear in mid that 91% kills on contact, 70% doesn't. It doesn't take long for a spritz to lose 20% of the alcohol.
When and where they can be used, dusts kick ass over liquids for BBs. A recent PMP issue had a study done, by Michael Potter and his group at the University of Kentucky, on bugs from all over the country with varied resistance to pesticides. Tempo, Drione, and DE killed them all, 100%, within 10 days.
There is an art to applying any pesticide and dusts in particular.
Jim
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Yes, there are resistant strains, but then they should not ban it they should perfect it, and it still works on malaria and other bugs and may work on my bedbugs.
No, you're wrong... DDT resistence is widely diffused in pest insects world.Since 1972 it has not been used here so 30 years means they may not be so resistant anymore.
You're wrong again... the greater part of BBs (and mosquitos, flies, etc) are still DDT resistent.I tried my scientific experiment on the bug with bedlam spray and it did not kill it. It did slow it down and the bug was not happy about walking into it.
Residual insecticides have generally a slow effect, so they usually do not kill insects immediately. -
cilecto
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Posted 2 months ago
Wed Sep 9 2009 18:54:17
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There are scam products and services out there. SteriFab and Bedlam are mainstream products for consumer use. They are, however, limited in what they do: SF kills only the bugs it kills directly, then dissipates. No residual. No eggs. Good if you need to kill bugs you see, but avoid lingering toxins. Bedlam does offer some residual, but is a consumer-oriented concentration and may not be as flexible in getting to inaccessible places. Also, as a pyrethroid (most consumer insecticides today are), bugs are said to have developed resistance. I admire your curiosity. You might want to look up other peoples work, as well.
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