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Tue Aug 30 2011 22:43:43
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I don tkhow what to do, im sitting here crying and don't know what to do. Ive been suspicious lately and worried something was going on, blood spots on the sheets, but nothing else.
I came home and took and shower and all and went into my bedroom which was hot ebcause the ac was off and there on my ceiling out in the open was a 1st instar nymph and I caught it with tape but the piece of tape just went missing.
Please somebody help me, I cant deal with this. I had my house heat treated and reinspected multiple times with negative results and now this confirms my suspicions.
What am i going to do? what can i do?? ive not stopped crying since this happened. I feel so hopeless like this will never end. I was just sitting on the bed the other night crying about how much the last infestation took from me and that i could never deal with that again and now its happening.
if there are any pros out there right now who wouldnt mind talking to me please call me, ill be up cause im too upset and need to put the blankets in the dryer.
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Tue Aug 30 2011 22:59:41
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Take a deep breath, you'll get through this. Are you in a house or apartment bldg? Could this be coming from a neighboring unit?
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Tue Aug 30 2011 23:06:37
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I live in a row home and this is the second time Ive found a young one along the wall i share with my neighbour. Before heat treatment the pest control company did a visual inspection of both neighbours but there's no saying one or two hadnt been hiding out in his wall. Im so scared and just need to talk to someone. I have no idea what the extent of the problem is... im so upset i keep heaving.
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Tue Aug 30 2011 23:08:39
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help_me,
Are you sure it's a bedbug? I looked through some of your older threads, none of which had a post saying you actually found/had bedbugs. I believe a dog gave you an all clear, inspectors found nothing, pictures you've posted aren't actually bb's. Have you, or do you have any bb evidence?
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please post a pic if possible
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Tue Aug 30 2011 23:15:21
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I feel like they are everywhere! All over me every where I go. I can't get rid of them! they're everywhere I go. I feel like I got bit all over sititng in the stupid freakin classroom with carpeting and upholstered chairs.. almost positive the bug I had on my arm was a nymph after I got done class. I'll have them forever.
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Tue Aug 30 2011 23:21:21
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blargg,
I am 100% positive, trust me. There's no mistake about it. I'm trying to find the sample but it disappeared from my table and i think my cats got it and batted it away somewhere. Still trying to find it.
I know my other false alarms were false alarms but I am certain this time, especialy when considering the blood stains on the sheets and marks all over me. Just like I found for the first tme in my life last nigth when i turned the bedroom light on a German cockroach on my nightstand. Why am I being plagued in this way by pestilence?
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Tue Aug 30 2011 23:41:12
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help_me,
I'm about to call it a night here, but I just want to let you know that all hope is not lost.
First of all, a pic would really be nice at this point; it would really help if the experts could confirm. I'm not a bb expert by any means, but you've still got options. You need to continue treatments, and also get in touch with your neighbors, landlord (if you have one), and check if the heat treatment company has a guarantee. Did they treat all adjoining units at once?
If the heat company won't re-treat, you need to continue to have chemical treatments. Look, I moved into a rental that had a roach problem once. Treated, treated, treated. Took 8 months before their population was down to an unnoticeable level. Bedbugs are even tougher. Keep treating. You can do it! -
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Wed Aug 31 2011 2:01:39
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I;m really mad because the piece of tape with the sample is still missing. I've look all over on the floor and under furniture but it's just not showing up!!!!!! I took it to my mother and she looked it under her lens and agreed with me, it was absolutely first instar nymph. Very very tiny. Thank god for my amazing eyesight and impeccable timing, not to mention my automatic inclination to do a quick look over of the room whenever I go in because there it was, just there on the ceiling a few inches away from my crown moulding. Should have gone and caulked it up weeks ago. The last time I found one in the bedroom was on that wall a little higher than the top of my nightstand lamp. It was a litter older though. The one I found tonight was the size of the one I had found on my bathroom sink one morning.
I really don't need someone to ID as I know for sure I am right. Not book lice, etc. All I can really do for now is run the bedding through the dryer, which i did, for a little over an hour and remake the bed.
Can't believe I have to worry now about LEAVING the house in addition to COMING HOME! Want to get a K9 here asap and then see where I can go from here
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Wed Aug 31 2011 2:59:20
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I would also encourage you to get an ID before you worry too much.
I think that sitting in a carpeted room might make me quite itchy. I react to dust mites and other things in a lot of places.
Bed bugs don't usually live on people, and taking showers and changing your clothes will take care of that. If you feel they are "all over you everywhere you go" it is possible this is a different pest. Or that it is some kind of allergic reaction to something which may have happened earlier.
I understand you're pretty certain you saw a first instar nymph, but people do commonly mistake them for other pests. If you find another, you can post it.
Try to calm down and to find someone you trust that you can talk to. If you have bed bugs, you can get through this. But it's important to be sure of the cause before you panic.
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Wed Aug 31 2011 14:56:11
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Ugh. Just had written out a huge response and lost it by hitting back by accident.
Here's the image, I finally found the sample and I got my hand held microscope working so it seems I also managed to get a sample of a book louse right beside the you know what.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/53132982@N02/6100336987/
Gist of what I said in my previous well written response... my other half is cruel. He doesn't care, he's sick of hearing about bed bugs, if it wasn't for me looking hard to find them he wouldn't have them.
Wish I had someone in my life who was as concerned about it as I am therefore understands how I feel and would be WILLING to do whatever they can to help, even if they have no money.I need to get out of here, out of this house, away from this buggy area, away from him. All I want is a nice little clean, quiet, Victorian cottage in the woods where I can control everything that goes on.
No one I tried to contact has responded to me. Not the people who did the thermal here back in early spring or anyone. I feel like I have been left out in the cold to suffer alone because everyone is sick of it. My family tells me I overreact and that they're just bugs and I should learn to just keep them under control and accept them the way they did 100 years ago.
I lost my sister in May. You can imagine how that felt. I couldn't control that but it also won't get any worse! It's not a problem that has to be tended to.
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Wed Aug 31 2011 19:12:47
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I know it's only been four hours but I was wondering if anyone had had a chance to take a look at the photo. Even though I am sure it is a positive everyone was still emphasizing posting a picture for ID purposes, so I did. It's pretty unrealistic... and I have had some seriously close calls since summer started with mis-identifying things (some that even a pro might mistake as a BB) I think I ran out of freebies though and instead of an easy button which will get me out of a horrible situation fast this is the real deal. Why would it just be sitting (hanging?) on my ceiling 6 inches or so away from the crown moulding? I've been suspicious of this area for a while without having actually seen anything. The air conditioner was off yesterday, all day, so my bedroom was about 80 degrees and closed up. That's why there was a bug parade going on. I had also caught a silverfish, a little flying thing, and apparently a book louse which I hadn't even noticed. All in the same vicinity. Why why would a BB be up there and just sitting in the open?
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Posted 1 year ago
Wed Aug 31 2011 19:24:50
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The sample looks like a small book scorpion and psocid. No BB.
Jim
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Wed Aug 31 2011 19:28:12
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Yeah! Go spidey!
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Wed Aug 31 2011 19:35:18
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Hi,
I second that ID.
Nothing to worry about apart from maybe a small but manageable damp issue which is usually a sign of pscocids.
Stick around and have a look through the FAQ's on avoidance and hopefully you will not get exposed. I often ask people who have negative inspections to help spread the word about avoidance because its easier to share the facts you learn rather than socially to disclose an issue you may have experienced.
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Wed Aug 31 2011 21:28:14
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Wow. Thanks for your ID! Pirate bugs... Psocids... Book Scorpions... all these bugs just happen to look so similar.
I just looked up book scorpion (pseudoscorpion) and the images look like it but mine still looks a hell of a lot more like a bb than the images I found. Are there any images online that look exactly like my sample for comparison? I feel a lot better but still worry maybe the ID wasn't 100%.
How certain are you that it is a Book Scorpion? On the bedroom ceiling?
Please believe me, I WANT you to be right! But I just want to make sure I know the correct step to take next. In the event that it might still be something else I need to know so I can get someone in here to search and treat, otherwise I can stop freaking out. I don't want to stop freaking out though unless I know for sure I don't need to be.
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Posted 1 year ago
Wed Aug 31 2011 21:39:47
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I'm not an expert but how could you think that it was a bb with those long pincher looking things?
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Wed Aug 31 2011 22:09:24
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Well rs... I had trapped it under tape so for all I knew maybe its front legs got squished outwards and bent or something, I don't know. It's light brown, its round, no neck, two little eyes on either side, long legs that come out below the head...
The scorpions seem much more elongated, darker, and have much bigger pincers but I can't find any images of baby book scorpions.
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help_me - 8 minutes ago »
Well rs... I had trapped it under tape so for all I knew maybe its front legs got squished outwards and bent or something, I don't know. It's light brown, its round, no neck, two little eyes on either side, long legs that come out below the head...
The scorpions seem much more elongated, darker, and have much bigger pincers but I can't find any images of baby book scorpions.Gotcha. In any event, there are 1000s of species of pseudo scorpions so I don't think that you can expect to find an exact match for your photo or should be bothered that you can't.
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Wed Aug 31 2011 23:27:25
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If David and Spidey say it is not a BB then you can feel comfortable, these 2 guys know what they are talking about.
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Thu Sep 1 2011 19:35:38
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I just wanted to share this private message I got today, they sort of back up how I am feeling despite the ID I was given by Spidey and David.
Looked at your picture....I dont know Im far from an expert but I am with you thinking it looks more like a BB than any other bug anyone mentioned. Not trying to freak you but just telling you what it looks like to me. I think the legs look like they do because of the tape and the head looks BBish to me. Hope you have a good night.
Are us non experts really missing something or are people jumping to conclusions too easily and misidentifying this thing just to ease my fears? I would love to hear from some more pros with the ID of the supposed Book Scorpion. They describe the Book Scorpion as having a pear shaped body and dark head/upper body, this doesn't. And those pincers on the front do not look at large to me. I hope I am wrong none of the less but thought I'd share that someone else has the same feeling.
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Thu Sep 1 2011 20:15:44
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help_me:
First I am so sorry about your sister. I don't how I could have made it if I had to deal with that and bed bugs. You are a survivor!
Where do you live? Do you have a university nearby with a good entomology program? Some photographs aren't always reliable. Maybe taking your samples to have them identified in person is a better approach. A university would be best since you could trust they know what they're doing and they're not going to be deceptive in order to try to get your business. If that is not available, do some really good research and find a reputable PCP to identify it.
I know this must be very stressful, but if you can talk yourself out of panic-mode, you will be better prepared to deal with the situation. When I was trying to figure out if I still had them, when I found "evidence" I reminded myself to stop and think if there was anything else that could have caused the evidence. If there was, I told myself it wasn't enough to jump to conclusions. - A few examples: The bites - A. Could be caused by something else or B. Could be old bites coming back. Dr. Richard deShazo published a study in the American Medical Journal and noted that one of his subject's bites came back as a huge welt 8 months after the original reaction. Sounds crazy, but it was a controlled study and considering how delayed the original reactions can be, you just never know. Secondly, the blood on your sheets: I freaked when I saw a small blood spot and my husband and I have no sources of blood. A day later I noticed my cat (who sleeps with me) has a wound on her ear. Initially I freaked again because it almost looked like she got bit - 2 little spots. But I stopped myself because she also has ear mites and it's more likely she scratched herself while itching her ear. - So before panicking, try to think outside the box.
I think after having bed bugs, we're ultra sensative to every little tiny spot on our bodies, every little bug we see and any possible evidence. This is good because if we ever get them again, it's likely we'll catch them early since we know what to look for. However, this awareness can be bad for our mental health. - So stop, breathe a minute and realize that freaking out isn't going to do anything to solve the problem.
One last note - bed bugs are repulsed by our body heat. As soon as they are done feeding, they want to get away from your body and back to the safety of their hiding places. So it is very unlikely they are going to travel on your body. That's not to say they won't travel in your purse or your backpack. Just be extra careful about that stuff. I keep mine in the kitchen - after it has gone through the dryer, of course. - Best wishes to you
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Thu Sep 1 2011 20:30:56
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Thank you so much for your response.
Now I am feeling really not certain again. Yesterday's advice was that my sample definitely isn't a you know what and that I can relax and now today it feels like a different tune like maybe it still might be! I see KQ is online but I don't know if he'll respond or not to this thread/look at the image.
I just did something I have not done before, I pulled out my old samples from back in the fall/winter which i never looked at under the microscope before and they are quite obviously them. It's so scary to think about it. The little scorpion thing I posted an image of is actually a lot smaller than my nymph sample and darker in colour but it sure has a lot of similarities. I'd go crazy putting any thought into the possibility of cross breeding.
Just really hoping for some additional ID's from well informed folks though I appreciate everyone's feedback.
As for school... I carry a little tote bag only these days and no purse. I take only what I need and I don't lay it on the floor or chair. I try to keep my bag on a table away from where we sit or hanging on a coat hanger thing if available. Today, when I got done class I had a complete change of clean clothes in my car. I went into one of the school bathrooms, stripped down totally, put those clothes into a bag and tied it shut, wiped myself down with rubbing alcohol, and put the clean clothes on and left. Everything went right into either the dryer for 60 mins on high or packtite. The tote bag is still in there now, the thermometer is wedged in the center of a thick notebook in the middle of the bag and reads at 134 degrees. I want to be safe so I'll just let it go a little longer.
Please though.. ID... really a Book Scorpion??? Are they really that small and round??
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Thu Sep 1 2011 22:14:39
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Hi help_me,
I am not sure who private messaged you, but by his/her own statement, this person is not an expert. People who are not experts should not be providing bug IDs. I am sorry that person caused you to worry about this further.
I would trust the assessment from David Cain and Jim above.
If you have other samples which you feel are definitely bed bugs, please post photos of them. I recommend starting a new thread, labeled with something like "bug ID," because experts who ID bed bugs are not likely to look through every thread.
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Thu Sep 1 2011 23:03:31
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Arachnids molt so infants start off as small versions of adults. Many arthropods do this.
The presence of the pinchers to me confirms book scorpion.
Some people fixate on what trait can be on a BB, not considering that thousands of arthropod species can have that trait. For instance the segmented abdomen those are tergites and many arthropods can look similar, offhand Odd Beetles and ladybugs can look closest. They flat out ignore those traits that cannot be on a BB.
Zoom your sample to the max on your screen and compare the tips of the pinchers to the book scorpion below bearing in mind an infant will not look exactly like an adult.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/72/Ar_1.jpg
David is one of the best BB experts around and at that magnification he would be able to tell. He does this for a living.
I'm just a bug geek but I am pretty good at spotting "not a BB" and sometimes I see enough to offer a real ID as in this case.
If Lou or EffeCi see something different they will say and they are Entomologists
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I agree with no bugs. Let the experts tell you what they see. David Cain has said he has seen over 20,000 cases of bed bugs and to me that makes him an extremely valuable resource to this site, he literally has probably seen it all. I ask these people tons of questions have them identify tons of pictures, because it makes me a better each time on how to look and check my house. Spidey may claim to be a bug geek only but he knows his stuff pretty darn good. Every post I have looked at where he gave an opinion it was backed up by David, Effe Ci or the other experts, so his word is solid in my opinion. This site is great because of people like No bugs, Spidey, David Cain Effe Ci, Lou , Killer Queen, Doug Summers, So Cal,Cilecto and the countless other experts and people who have fought the wars with these dreadful creatures and they continue to fight to help people like us who are not experts. They are willing to spend their time on here as much as possible to help people that are scared, need a bug id, or professional opinions on what the heck to do. This site is great for that, to help people. Many of these experts are exhausted at the end of the day fighting these things but they continue to log on and help in anyway they can. That to me is compassion and character. I am a religious person and whether they are or not, I pray for them that they will stay strong enough to keep fighting until we have a "silver bullet" solution, God willing that we find one. Trust these people and send them a note every now and then to say thanks. Keep up the good work guys all of us non experts need you
PS: If the goal is education and awareness then this site is working because people are now looking at stuff much better, the more people that come on here for advice,the more people there are with at least some knowledge of the bugs.
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Fri Sep 2 2011 0:15:58
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By the way Spidey, maybe you should look into an Entomology degree, you have probably seen enough at this point to do pretty darn well
Second career?
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Help me,
I found this article about book scorpions (pseudoscorpions) and it explains a lot, like they like to hide in crevices manily outside but they will be found in homes with damp area so David hit the nail on the head there, and they prefer to feed on things like: psocids. Interesting that you found both.
http://www.extension.umn.edu/yardandgarden/ygbriefs/e610pseudoscorpion.html
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Just repeating what others have said, but I've been here for over three years now.
Spideyjg may not have the breadth of knowledge of someone like Lou Sorkin or David Cain, but I've watched as over time his ID skills have become absolutely as reliable for the bugs that are commonly mistaken for bed bugs as the professionals on this site.
(A little hint in critical reading and evaluating sources for people. It's the beginning of a new semester, so teaching people how to evaluate sources and read critically is at the front of my mind.
One of the things that I read in a totally unrelated article--Constance Penley's chapter on NASA and popular science in her book NASA/Trek--was that students who were children when the Challenger space shuttle exploded reported in interviews after the fact that they initially weren't necessarily that freaked out by the images when they saw the explosion on televisions.
But they did really freak out when their teachers--who were adults--freaked out in response to the visuals of the explosion.
In other words, children measure how upset they should be about an event they've never seen before by how adults--who've presumably seen a lot more stuff--react to that event.
When I'm evaluating how credible I find a source of information to be on boards like this, I pay as much attention to how the experts react to a person's post as to what I think of the post itself.
If a newbie shows up, and the voices that seem the most reliable confirm that person's information, that's a pretty good sign that the newbie is on the right track.
I remember when spideyjg identified the first book scorpion he found.
If you dig up those posts, if I recall correctly, you'll see folks like entomologist Lou Sorkin, the man who kept the study of bed bugs alive for decades when no one else was bothering to study an eradicated pest, and PCO David Cain, the man who invented the BBAlert Passive Monitor, and EffeCi, another European pest control professional with thousands upon thousands of cases under his belt, all writing responses that sound, to me, pretty darned impressed that Spideyjg spotted correctly a relatively rare pest.)
In other words, spideyjg, a layperson with an interest in this issue, has gotten good enough at ID to impress the experts enough that they were so surprised at how good he was that they were more complimentary than they would have been if that had been a routine feat.
I felt a little like the kid in the classroom going "Wow. The adults are kind of impressed!" just as the kids on the day of the Challenger explosion were in the classroom going "Wow. The adults are kind of freaked out!"
If I were trying to figure out whose opinion to trust, and I'd gotten conflicting reports--one in a PM from a newbie who hadn't really established his or her credentials in terms of IDing and one from someone who, sure, is an amateur, but an amateur who draws praise from professionals, I know which opinion I'd give more weight.
And it wouldn't be the one that came as a private message.
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Hi,
Thanks for the supportive comments people have made with regards the ID.
To explain a little of how I respond to issues, as a general rule I don't post unless I am at least 90% certain and when it comes to a bedbug or not as others have said I have been working with this pest for 8+ years and have only had 1 incorrect ID which was in the early days when I mistook 1st instar nymphs for bird mites. I have come along a long way since then.
If I say its 100% not bedbugs read that as 1000% certain its not bedbugs. I am not as good as Lou, EffeCi, Sean and a few others at other species ID but that is due to the focused nature of my work. I also give spideyjg the accolade of being the most accurate non entomologist I have seen, self taught and an inspiration to others, having lived through bedbugs they are still willing to hang around and help others, if you want a candidate for unsung hero's please nominate them and NoBugs for tireless work to help others.
To the person who sent you that PM, shame on you, look at the fear and worry you have caused and please think twice before you offer an opinion without having the expertise and knowledge to back it up. Had you have had the balls to post that on the thread we would have explained step by step why it is not. However given that non of us get paid for the time we put into this site we often have to be short and factual with our responses.
I hope this thread can now close with a satisfactory conclusion knowing its not bedbugs.
David
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Well, before the thread closes, I just want to say . . .
My my God, I'm so sorry I forgot Sean.
Blame it on me posting before breakfast.
I'm sure I've left other great IDers out, but I really should have remembered to put Sean on the list. Apologies for leaving him off, and I'm sure I left other people off too.
(Did I mention it was the first week of the term? And that I didn't get home until after 10:30 pm last night?)
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Thanks to all the ID'ers experts and all others who help everyone, we always forget to mention everyone, but you are all appreciated.
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Thanks for the kind words guys. I learned early on reading post fro David, Sean, Lou, KQ and EffeCi that the details were critical in identification and paid attention to everything they said and absorbed as much as I possibly could. This was all so that I can ID stuff for myself and just do that on here.
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To the person who sent you that PM, shame on you, look at the fear and worry you have caused and please think twice before you offer an opinion without having the expertise and knowledge to back it up. Had you have had the balls to post that on the thread we would have explained step by step why it is not. However given that non of us get paid for the time we put into this site we often have to be short and factual with our responses.
Couldn't have said it better David. Sometimes stuff gets missed.
With all the different photo hosting sometimes it isn't clear there are multiple pics. I recall a posting and the person had 3 pics and only one showed in the initial link and was clearly not a BB. Some other person who is getting good at ID called BB and sure enough looking back there were several pics posted and one had an actual BB.
Want to voice an opinion, do it in public. Wonder what makes or breaks it as a BB or not, ask.
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