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BBsBlow
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I woke up with blood on my sheets this morning. I changed them last night before going to bed. I've been itchy lately, but hey, I've been itchy for months. Nothing on me is bleeding. My landlord used something from Home Depot to exterminate my place on Monday for the bugs that I've had (mostly beetles). I wonder if this knocked BBs out of the woodwork or something. But at any rate, do these pics look like stains to you? They're all of the same area, just different angles. The one entitled "blood" shows it off best. I think I know the answer, but I just need to hear it from you guys. I'm remarkably calm on the outside, but on the inside I am crying. I think it's because the unknown has been going on for months, and I just wanted an answer once and for all! http://www.flickr.com/photos/11162997@N06/ Damn bugs must read US News, too, and didn't appreciate my letter!!!!!! LOL
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Wed Aug 8 2007 11:36:57
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I'm so sorry, Blow!
Did you see any blood spots on what you wore to bed?
The only time I saw blood spots there was a blood spot on the sheet underneath where my back would have been and another time there was a blood spot on my sleep clothes. They were both kind of round with a very slight smear.
Yes, obviously, they could be bedbug blood spots. Unless your nose bleeds or you have open bite wounds.
Plus on the third picture are what look like feces to me? Those raised dirt dots? Have you seen specks on your sheets?
Well, you know what the advice is going to be. I hope you get some help quickly.
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Wed Aug 8 2007 12:05:34
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Hi Hopelessnomore,
I wore a new, oversized yellow t-shirt with pink yoga pants to bed last night. (Normally I wear all white, but I just didn't last night.) I have something dark in the front of the shirt, which I can't identify. I sleep on my back or side, so then the blood wouldn't match up- I "should" have blood on the back of the shirt and I don't. From where the blood was located on my bed, it would have been around my stomach, and I don't bleed from there. It's been FIVE MONTHS with no physical sign. UGH. I've never seen any signs before today, and these were like "in your face" types of signs! Which PCO shall I beg my LL to call. Hmm...-Blow
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Wed Aug 8 2007 12:10:52
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I wonder if you'll see a bite develop later today. We move during the night, so not matching exactly doesn't mean much. But having a mark on your shirt too is an additional sign. Don't launder the sheet; keep it to show to the PCO, but bag it in case there is anything on it, small chance but you see what I mean.
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Wed Aug 8 2007 12:11:46
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But if it is bed bug - related, it has to be from you bleeding. Right?
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Wed Aug 8 2007 12:22:26
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those pics do not look like the streaks of blood that i had on my sheets. yours are so tiny and not really streaked. mine was like an asteroid trail. any ideas?
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Wed Aug 8 2007 12:34:38
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I am confused. Why do people think you can diagnose bed bugs from what the blood on the sheet looks like? Bed bugs aren't trailing blood around the bed. You are. Surely the pattern would depend on the size of the puncture in your skin, how much is was bleeding, how you moved, right? And it's source cannot be proven to be from a bed bug. It is just a possible sign.
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Wed Aug 8 2007 13:27:59
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Nobugs-
In my (somewhat freaked out) mind, blood on sheets=BBs. While it's true that I have dry skin and bleed from that, there's no blood on my clothes from my leg area, which is where my skin bleeds from dry skin. I guess from what you're saying that blood doesn't have to be in a pattern- it just has to be there? I don't want to wait and see things get worse. I need to get ahold of my LL to contact a PCO. Don't you think?-Blow
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nobugs...I heard sometime back...I don't remember from who...but they said that after feeding the bed bugs actually can leave a small trail of blood as they exit...kind of like a "little leakage"...this is why the "smears" have that comet tail or asteroid look to them...its not the bite bleeding...its the bed bug leaving the trail....
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Wed Aug 8 2007 13:40:31
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Nobugs, I didn't think our skin bled at all from the bites. My understanding of the blood spots was that they were from the bugs, pooping out blood as they walked away from our skin.
I thought the blood spots were just because they were standing still, and the trails were from if they were walking. Perhaps trails are from us rolling over and killing the bugs, or rubbing the blood spots when they were still fresh/wet.
Blow, I had spots like these when my infestation began. I'm so sorry, but this looks like bedbugs to me. But at least you have evidence. I washed my sheets and didn't think twice, then had a very difficult time convincing the PCO of my problem. Definitely keep these sheets, bag them up and be careful with them.
Also, on a morbid-yet-bright note, at least you know where the bedbugs are - they are in or near your bed. That actually helps because it narrows it down. They have found your bed. So, get a PCO to treat your bed, and then protect your bed with isolation. You can do this, I know it. You are armed with information and tools, plus all the support in the world.
Go get em!
And again, I'm so sorry.
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Wed Aug 8 2007 14:09:23
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Blow, I say this with love (a lot of love, ok?), please stop dithering. Make the call!
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Thanks, S. And I'm sorry to hear about your infestation- just saw. I've had carpet tape around my bed for a while now, and I guess it just couldn't catch them. Either that, or they came from the doorway area where I don't have tape because all I would do is step on it there! I'll take everyone's advice and save the sheets. So much for my bed and pillows always being covered!!!! <Grumble>
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Wed Aug 8 2007 14:41:22
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Bugalina,
I remember reading that about the blood trails too, just as you said. -
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Wed Aug 8 2007 14:44:11
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Sorry but forgot to mention.
BBsBlow, I had carpet tape all over the place, drove my wife nuts, I did not catch one bug.
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Wed Aug 8 2007 20:34:50
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Hopeless- I made the call.
To my landlord, that is. He gave his blessing to call whomever I want tomorrow. (It was too late to call today when I heard from him.) I am determined to nip it in the bud before they nip me there!Lt. Dan- I have caught a lot of bugs with the tape- just no BBs. Kind of gross to see what was roaming around my apartment! The tape long gave me peace of mind. Until today.
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Bugalina, S and LtDan, I hear you re: trails. However, if you look at the photo BBSBlow linked, it isn't trails: it's small spots.
I grant that for most people, this may well be a sign of bed bugs. It's just in the last few days we've had a lot of people say "see this photo--is it bed bugs?" Well, if you recently had bed bugs, as BBS did, it probably is, and I too would call a PCO. (I am just saying, not so much for BBS, but for others who've posted similar queries, blood alone is not enough for a diagnosis.)
But I don't agree about treating only the bed. Just cause you're bitten in bed, doesn't mean they might not be elsewhere. I'd err on the side of caution myself.
BBSBlow I am glad you called the landlord and will get the PCO in.
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I do not know -Blow ….
I'm coming in here late--Could be anything--you say skin is dry sometimes bleeds ... you say there are lot's of other critters crawling around on the floor. Could be, BB’s though, so, it's proactive “PCOing†I think.Then I hope you stay proactive and lay down some DE when the PCO's poisons are done and he’s gone.
Next get the bed up off the floor ASAP--I know it is all so costly. I've dropped $240.00 on BB supplies--and then the tent too—another 125-- uggghh!
to all of that!But being pro-active against bed bug infestations is the "cheaper" way, it seems.
(Note the quote on the word, cheaper.)NOTE:--I'll not enter into the discussion on, as to whether this beak dripping and bed bug pooping is one or the other--Both are true and yet neither of these seems to be the case in the blood spot--OK I entered into it anyway I’m quite sure both are true—truth is I don’t know enough about a typical bed bug blood spots appearance.
(That’s blood it is definatley not pooh).
A--The beak—may drip some of the anti-coagulant too, possibly causing the blood to thin out a tad and leak some. Mix it with slightly crushed bed bug goop—and it gets more yellowish looking too. Pink and yellow—I know that—first hand! As well--due to the action of the anticoagulant in the blood--the bite may bleed out into a mark similar to the tear drop stain we had talked alot about many moons ago ie 3 or 4 months.
The blood from crushed bed bugs in socks fresh out of sneakers is very thinned out and pinkish looking nes pas?
Has anyone see that in a shoe? I think it is crushed bed bug guts. Mixed with the blood.
B--They definitely eat and simultaneously pooh or nearly so, within a moment of feeding they very often do. Since I am my own source here on A and b-- I can’t site it!
All I can say is …“Willow speaks!â€
Yet above all of what I speak—I say …-Blow …I hope it all fairs out best! Getting the PCO is the best idea for many reasons.
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also -Blow ...
This tent??? for one person it is like $105--$110 total, a double person is like $125--$130,
total, shipping and all INCLUDED THERE in the qouote.Blow ... in a case like yours so many bugs ... A tent may be the answer--Even put it on the floor with the plastic tarp and sealed carpet tape.
It's my best suggestion to you and for you. This is not just for bed bugs think about the mosquitos, the cennepedes ... fleas and black flies ... I think it keps fleas out--I hope it does!
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Thu Aug 9 2007 11:58:02
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Hi Willow,
I hope to avoid a tent, but thanks for the advice. I left a message for a certain pest control company nearly 2 hours ago, and no one has called me back. Got the # of their competitor who had come to my house in the past, but I have to wait until lunch before I call them. Company #1's loss! No new blood today that I saw, but I did have a bump on my arm last night, and another on my leg today. Neither were as horrific as the welts I had last year. Let's keep it that way! On the plus side, at least I don't have a lot of stuff like I did then! Washed a lot of stuff last night, and took my sneakers out of the fridge. They'd been there since the beginning of March. I needed shoes that I hadn't worn indoors, or ones that didn't live on the floor. Have I mentioned these bugs suck? I really hope they'll exterminate without begging and pleading.-Blow
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i thought the trail was from the bb feeding and then trying to get away and the person rolling over on it and squishing it.
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nightshirt...that could be the cause of the "blood trail"...if they pull out their probisic ( or whatever that sucker is called) prematurely because of body movement it might cause the blood to leak....but bottom line is that the blood comes from the bug, not the bite..
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I finally had the classic B.L.D. ("Breakfast Lunch and Dinner") marks on thigh--so it seems--it is about 8-10 days old. Pre-tent.
My bites do take some time in surfacing. -
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Just found my first official welt a few minutes ago. Just shoot me now. I don't have the energy to go through this again. Add that to the fact that I've been trying to get a PCO from either Cooper or Stern since last week and it's like phone tag hell because my landlord has to be involved. (The company's rule, not my LL's.) And then add that to the fact that Stern is $650 for a one bedroom apt.! OUCH. (Originally was quoted $500 last time I called. I mentioned my kitchen and bathroom, and that drove the price up.) At least they have free follow-up after the second application. I am so desperate for someone to come that I left a message for my LL saying I'd pay the tax! Anything! I don't know who else to call in the area. I don't want to call AAA because I hear they're even more expensive. If anyone knows of a knowledgeable PCO in NJ, please PM me or write me here. I don't want to be defeated before the fight has even begun! But I think about how I used to look and that CANNOT happen again! Thanks, all.
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Mon Aug 13 2007 16:28:37
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Well, you need to begin and it can't really get worse. You will see an improvement at the first treatment, I think, since you cannot have a very large infestation if you have not seen signs.
I would not go with triple A. Either Stern or Cooper sound like good choices.
Hang in there, you will overcome this.
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Thanks, Hopeless. I appreciate your kind words. Landlord has decided to go with a company I've never heard of. The guy who'd spray is used by my LL's broker, though he's on vacation until Thursday. Swell. I am going to call and quiz him. If he uses foggers and whatnot, I am going to have to beg and plead with my LL not to use him. Otherwise, I'm going to pay myself for Stern even though they cost a bloody fortune. Welt #2 appeared today. Joy.
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sorry -Blow, again, the tent is only 120.00 not saying don't do PC0, but if the bites are going to be that scary for you, and that scaring, there is the tent. PM me and we can talk tent, if you want, or see it on the main blog page--either way, I wish you only well and best for a speedy, permenant, kill!
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Blow,
Remember SOME foggers are ok for PCOs to use, some are used to flush out the bed bugs. I'd get the names of what they use and run it by Sean at thebedbugresource.com. Sean and other PCOs clarified this for us.
Bombs are never good but some fogging agents are ok in the hands of the knowledgeable PCO. -
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Well, I for one cannot wait until the eradication chez Blow begins!
Blow, you've kept us on tenterhooks so long, now we want to see some action. I'm hoping you get to see some dead bugs.
Don't mess with your welts and they may go down sooner.
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Thanks Willow, Nobugs, and Hopeless! I haven't had any new welts today. Trying not to itch, though it's nowhere as itchy as I was used to. I'm in the process of washing everything. Hope to talk to this PCO tomorrow. Need to get this show on the road! I CANNOT deal with another horrible infestation- don't have the mental energy required. Blah. I'll find out if the guy uses foggers. I thought foggers and bombs were the same thing. No? I HOPE I don't have to resort to a tent, especially in this heat, but I imagine it's ventilated? No pun intended, but this Blows.
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Blow,
Doing your own fogging or bombing is always bad. Many foggers are also bad in the hands of PCOs. People who say, "I am going to bomb your apartment for bed bugs," are VERY likely to be doing the wrong thing. I would not use them.But there are a few they use as "flushing agents" in certain circumstances. Alongside other pesticides, and for a specific targeted purpose. This is why a knowledgeable PCO is so crucial. I'd get the name of the foggers to be used, if any, and check thebedbugresource.com. Sean and the other PCOs there will know if it is ok.
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Nobugs,
Talked to the PCO today and he's coming tomorrow. Thank G-d that I've been washing all of my clothes this week. Otherwise, what woman would be able to be ready for a PCO with one day's notice? LOL He said he was going to be using a residual called something like HPX, which is for bed bugs. I've never heard of it, and those might not be the right initials. (Wrote it down at work.) I did subtly quiz him. So, Friday at 4pm!-Blow
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Wait, he's only using one pesticide?!? That alone is a bad sign. UNless I missed something.
I would run HPX by the guys at thebedbugresource.com, who are PCOs and know their pesticides.
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Is HPX ..Delta Force...the stuff S uses ?? Can you ask your PCO what the delivery system is for the product or products he is going to use....in other words, spray cans or pump application..etc.
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I'm here at work now (on dial-up, which is making me age), and I have here that it is called HPX. I didn't think about needing more than one chemical. He said that it's in a can with a thin nozzle (I'm imagining a can like compressed air for computers comes in) so he can get into all nooks and crannies. Said the process takes around an hour, which is longer than anyone's stayed at my place before. When I asked him about bombs and foggers, he said he tries never to use them because they're so dangerous. He said that electricity and gas have to be turned off since they could explode! Lovely. If that happened, my problem would have been over long ago, and I could have bought new stuff from the lawsuit- ha, ha. I sure would have been spared a lot of the "fun" associated with these tiny terrorists!
Now I am paranoid about this chemical and am going to look it up. He said that it was made for BBs. Admittedly, I'd never heard of it before. But I am no chemical expert. NOW I am getting nervous. -Blow
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i also think only 1 chemical is not going to do the trick. never heard of that if your previous pco's didnt even stay an hour its no wonder you them again (or never totally got rid of them?). either way, one chemical not good and he also needs to spray the electrical outlets, behind any pealing wallpaper, picture frames, etc. places where "wet" cant go. have you caulked?
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I have never heard of a PCO who knows bed bugs using one chemical.
Please do not take our word for it. Go to thebedbugresource.com. Ask their opinion--they're PCOs. Then print out what they say and show your landlord, ok?
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Hi Nobugs,
I wrote Sean this morning, but haven't heard back from him. PCO came. Used Intruder HPX. And that's it. When I expressed my worry over using just one product (as you guys made me think), he said that it was very good and he's had excellent results with it. He checked my bed thoroughly and saw no signs of BBs. (I too checked my bed and didn't see anything. It's always been covered.) He sprayed my bedroom. I recognized the smell as being the same as whatever they used on me last year. Maybe it's the same primary ingredient? While he was spraying, I was talking about him coming back in 7-10 days. He didn't say anything. Finally he says that that won't be necessary as it doesn't look like I have bugs. He wouldn't even spray the rest of my apartment! He said that they stay really close to their target and have no reason to wander. I said that they can go up to 100 ft. for a meal, but he said why would they go that far? He also said that carpet tape would definitely catch them. Yeah, right. Lately, all my carpet tape does is catch me! I've seen bugs free themselves so I am no longer a huge advocate. He thought I cut myself or something! I told him that it matched up with my chest area, and nothing bleeds there. Then I showed him the picture of the welt and he said for a second that it did look like a welt, but then he said it could be a spider bite since he saw spiders in my closet! UGH. He doesn't think I have BBs. Why won't anyone believe me when I have physical proof? This is NOT in my head. I'm going to wait around 2 weeks to see what happens since I couldn't get exterminated again in that period of time, anyway. Now my LL is going to think I'm nuts and he could be uncooperative in the future. He's the 3rd PCO/BB person to tell me I don't have them. But I KNOW what a welt looks and feels like. I'm just really disappointed. This guy did not know as much as I thought. Oh, one thing I remembered was him saying it was good that my closet was made out of cedar because bugs don't like that. Has anyone heard that? I pointed to places where they could hide within the wood, but he didn't seem particularly concerned. He still thinks they'd only hide inches from the bed. He also said that electric outlets couldn't be sprayed since they would never live there!!! (My outlets don't have removable faceplates.) His last words to me? "You'll be all right, kiddo." Yeah, let's hope so... -
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I'm sorry about the PCO, Blow.
Let's see what happens tonight, ok? Keep a record of your bites and signs.
There's no reason to despair. You'll get someone more knowledgeable if you have to.
And any bugs that you find, you should keep, even if they're obviously not bedbugs. You can have them identified and rule out any allergic reactions to them. David Cain told us about chitin hypersensitivity he saw in his clients, so you can take steps to rule that out even as you continue to monitor.
Don't worry about what the landlord will think. Your landlord has been supportive so far, right?
I hope you can get some rest tonight. There is no other way but forward and we are certainly going to help, ok?
Best...
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I googled the label, and I don't think the product is bad, Blow, though I'd defer to Sean and co.
What I am concerned about is: PCO not finding signs of bed bugs, PCO not treating entire home, and PCO using only one substance, since it's generally the case that multi-pronged approaches are needed.
The main problem here is the PCO seeing no evidence.
Blow, when you mention "physical proof," you mean you had a welt and blood spots in the bed, right? No bugs so far, no fecal specks or spots, no other signs?
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Thanks, Hopeless. Didn't sleep at home last night- the chemicals were too strong. Plus, with my mattress being right on the floor, and the PCO spraying at floor level, I REALLY didn't want to be there. I won't panic. Yet.
In my favor is that I know what the enemy (potentially, most likely!) is. I didn't know what it was for two months last time. -Blow
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Hi Nobugs,
Correct. I've had two welts, and I saw blood in my bed a week or so before. Nothing before or since. My bed was completly clean. It's always had a cover on it. Pillows, too. He thinks they're instead hiding in the carpet. Or rather WOULD be if I had them. While my LL has been supportive, I'm positive that he'll hear from the PCO that I don't have them. One thing's for sure- there's no way I can look like I did last year! I just don't know what to do any more. I still don't think that I am needlessly worrying. I woke up today (while not at home) with a vaguely pink spot on my t-shirt. I didn't look it over before wearing, though I had just washed it. I freaked out and tried to find some peroxide, but didn't find any here. (I'm at my parents' where normally my mother has an endless supply of the stuff. Except when it's needed!) It doesn't look like the color of blood, but I'm just puzzled as to what it could be. At any rate, I'm off to the store to buy peroxide!-Blow
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