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Posted 5 years ago
Thu Jul 5 2007 15:05:01
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http://www.pestweb.com/pestcontrolnews/article.cfm?x_id=3287
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Posted 5 years ago
Thu Jul 5 2007 15:09:47
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Thanks for posting the link! That makes me feel better about the PCO--Orkin--who did our treatments.
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Posted 5 years ago
Thu Jul 5 2007 16:55:04
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meckman, did you PCO use Bedlam and if so how does it appear to be working for you?
Please give us some details. If the Bedlam people are correct in their testing I would believe that Bedlam would be the first product that can kill 90% of the eggs before they hatch. Since my infestation the word has been that nothing can kill bed bug eggs so if Bedlam can do this I think that it should be considered a major breakthrough in the bed bug war.
When I posted the info about Bedlam weeks ago I was a little disapointed that warriors were not more excited about this news.
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Posted 5 years ago
Thu Jul 5 2007 17:51:48
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My PCO used Bedlam, Sterifab, and Delta Dust. He was out 4 times, and I had the dog from Advanced K) Detectives out twice, too. I haven't been bitten in at least a week (I've had a couple of small bites, but I'm not sure if those were from bed bugs or other insects), and the dog gave us the all-clear, although I know that's no guarantee (they're supposedly about 90+ percent accurate). I've also seen no signs.

The last two times he treated, I stayed with him the whole time, suggesting areas he should treat. By the 4th time, I think he was willing to spray absolutely anything I indicated with Bedlam, just to (maybe!) keep me from calling him back again.

I also stripped my room, my son's room, and the guest room to the bare bones, and I replaced our wall-to-wall carpeting in all the bedrooms.

Hope that helps.
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Posted 5 years ago
Mon Jul 9 2007 11:24:39
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Thanks meckman,

Please keep us updated.
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Posted 5 years ago
Tue Jul 10 2007 1:31:14
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From the link above:

"Only 12 percent of bed bug eggs
treated with Bedlam hatched, compared to a 97 percent
hatch rate of bed bug eggs treated with a placebo
aerosol. "

Okay, this is certainly good. But the bedlam has to be sprayed ON the eggs in order to kill them. In other words, if the bed bugs are laying eggs in cracks and walls where you cannot access them with an aerosol, they will have 100% survival rate.

In other words, it should lessen the number of hatching eggs, but there will still be many eggs surviving and hatching.
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Posted 5 years ago
Tue Jul 10 2007 10:03:08
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They also do not provide data comparing their product with any other product.

Not to say that Bedlam does not work, just be cautious of marketing claims. There may be many products on the market that are as good or better that have not received the same testing.

Sincerely,

Sean
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http://www.thebedbugresource.com
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Tue Jul 10 2007 10:28:24
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Yes nobugsonme, this of course is not the silver bullet that we hope for but you have to acknowledge that no other product as far as I know can kill bed bug eggs. Yes of course the eggs have to be sprayed directly and of course you will not be able to spray eggs behind walls but we should recognize that this is a powerful weapon which should be incorporated in bed bug management. I have used this product to spray into areas such as into cracks and screw holes in wood furniture and above molding, inside my couch, along zippers of upholstered furniture etc...
As far as the product not reaching eggs in walls, any product has difficulty or is impossible to reach eggs behind walls.
With all do respect I am having difficulty understanding the point.
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Posted 5 years ago
Tue Jul 10 2007 10:44:33
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Yes, Sean. The testing was done by an entomologist that works for the same company. And at the end of the article, it states something like "Bedlam can be purchased in cases" like they were promoting their own product. How come no one else outside of their company has done testing on Bedlam. I'm not saying that it does not work or that they are lying, etc. I just would like to have someone unbiased and unrelated to the Bedlam company do Bedlam testing.
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Posted 5 years ago
Tue Jul 10 2007 11:11:11
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I spoke to Robert Suranyi the Entomologist at the Bedlam company. He appears well educated and sensitive to our problems.
I believe him. Why other professionals are not speaking about Bedlam? Your guess is as good as mine.
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Posted 5 years ago
Tue Jul 10 2007 17:54:06
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I wish the original buggedinbrooklyn would weigh in on this discussion...I have a memory of him saying that he used Bedlam and it didn't work too well... I don't know how Bedlam could be any better than so many other products as, for now, they are basically using the same or similiar ingredients...I was sent a free can of Bedlam when I purchased a pump sprayer...What I do like about it is the ease of using it...it has a good far spray to it...with a shake of the can it can be applied....I go along with Jamin though that its hard to believe the testimonials when they are given by the maker....bias..of course...nonetheless , If it works ..Its wonderful to see it on the market...
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Posted 5 years ago
Tue Jul 10 2007 19:14:07
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He did.

I think the reason for the kind of apathetic response this news elicits, other than the natural skepticism of anyone who is fighting or has fought an infestation, is that Bedlam has been around. It's not new. PCOs have been using it, without any stellar results, as far as I can tell. Further, there is buggedinbrooklyn's experience, which is compelling. Further still, Michael Potter and colleagues tested Bedlam, along with Sterifab, and did not write anything very impressive about it. See this article in Nobug's post re Dr. Potter's do's and don'ts. (I've exhausted my two links.)

If it does have an ovicidal effect, it could be its alcohol content? In which case...

Maybe it's just that it's going to take a lot to impress bedbuggers.
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Posted 5 years ago
Tue Jul 10 2007 19:37:21
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I do seem to remember, however, that Dawn said her PCO claimed great success with Bedlam. Dawn's PCO was Stern Environmental in NJ.
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Posted 5 years ago
Tue Jul 10 2007 23:15:03
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LtDan,
I guess my point was, while other pesticides can't kill eggs at all, you are probably going to be able to spray only a small percentage of eggs directly. I don't know if I ever saw an egg.

Meanwhile, other chemicals and dusts also have residual effects, and so can kill hatched bugs that walk through them. So i don't think our treatments are going to be wildly more effective.
I did not say Bedlam was ineffective either. But I have heard from lots of PCOs that it is unlikely that one product will get rid of all your bed bugs, and efficiently. So a multi-pronged approach is probably best.
I also am not sure why you are so excited about Bedlam! But I am glad you found it useful.
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Posted 5 years ago
Wed Jul 11 2007 12:10:05
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Hello All,

I think that there may be some misinformation out there regarding the eggs.

There are plenty of products out there that can kill eggs. However, many (if not most) of the eggs will be impervious.

Because of this fact the experts on bed bugs shy away from telling you that a single treatment will rid bed bugs. Quite simply because not all the eggs will be affected, and new ones will hatch out.

Even treatments using steam (which will kill 100% of the eggs it contacts) will not be able to reach all eggs (some will be tucked away out of reach).

Here is another thing to consider; If I spray a residual product directly on bed bug eggs but it does not kill the egg and it still hatches ... It will walk across the residual that is in the vicinity of the egg itself.

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I do not doubt the findings regarding the ovicidal use of Bedlam. What I am suggesting is that the manufacturers have a very good marketing team. They found a "new angle" for marketing a bed bug product and did the relevant testing.

What I would like to see is a side by side comparison of Bedlam and the other similar products on the market.

Sincerely,

Sean.
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Posted 5 years ago
Wed Jul 11 2007 12:30:37
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Entomoligist Robert Suranyi's comment.

I told Robert that one Warrior claimed that when he/she sprayed a collected bug with Bedlam the bug would not die.
Robert pointed out the Potter's findings on the pesticide resistent bug. Robert suggested that the sample may have been of that category. A good point.

I have seen eggs. Check places such as screw holes or under wooden furniture close to the floor and near your bed and look for what appears to be little white specks of dust, most of the time it will in fact be dust. Use 3m painter blue tape to collect sample, then take a 10X photographers lupe($20.00) and use a steady hand and flashlight, that is how I found eggs. You will be able to see the eggs with no question. Of course mind blowing but at the same time exciting.
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Posted 2 years ago
Mon Nov 8 2010 16:17:19
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Our PCO used a permethrin based spray in our daughter's room and Bedlam on the mattress and box spring. It did not work! We found a group of 3 living on the mattress a few days later. I put them in a zip lock bag, sprayed them with Bedlam, and sealed the bag. 48 hours later they were still kicking and running around inside the bag. I finally got sick of looking at them and smashed them between my fingers....don't bet your life/well being/money on Bedlam...I live in the PA suburbs by the way.....
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Posted 1 year ago
Fri Nov 4 2011 11:02:38
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AS FAR AS I CAN TELL BEDLAM WORKS MY PCO USED IT IN MY HOME AND WHILE I STILL DONT BELIEVE ALL THE BUGS ARE GONE IT HAS KILLED MOST OF THEM I AM SURE OF I WENT FROM SEEING 5 IN A DAY TO ONE THIS WHOLE WEEK (AND I WAKE UP SEVERAL TIMES IN THE NIGHT TO CHECK) SO SOMETHING IS WORKING . ALSO MY PCO LEFT BEHIND A CAN THE LAST TIME HE TREATED AND TOLD ME AND MY HUSBAND IF WE SAW ONE TO USE THIS, WELL MY HUSBAND SAW ONE AND SPRAYED IT AND HE SAID THE BUG DIED INSTANTLY , CANT GET ANY BETTER THAN THAT FOR ME, I AM ORDERING A CASE OF BEDLAM TO HOPEFULLY KEEP THE WORK MY PCO HAS DONE WORKING SINCE TODAY IS MY 4TH AND FINAL TREATMENT BEFORE I WOULD HAVE TO PAY AGAIN.
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Posted 1 year ago
Sat Nov 5 2011 10:09:47
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I'm sure with intensive, careful searching you can find some eggs. But that does not guarantee you will find all eggs, as Nobugs pointed out. It's impossible to know exactly where all eggs have been deposited, and some of these could be in tiny cracks and crevices beyond our sight or reach. While having a great product (and perhaps Bedlam is one of them - I was told Temprid is best - some prefer Phantom and there are many other products out there) is a good tool, I think it's a little bit of luck and perhaps more importantly, having a PCO or even a lay individual, who is knowledgeable and willing to take the time to apply the pesticides in the most effective manner. The combination approach (dusts and steam) is just adding more tools that may assist in making the treatment most effective. There's no silver bullet. It's having good tools, skills and persistence that wins the battle.