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bunnybedbug
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Posted 5 months ago
Mon Jun 8 2009 14:50:22
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Last week my house was treated by PCO. I asked: "Could this stuff hurt my dog?" He said: "not unless she licks the floor. She doesn't do that, does she?" I said: "Sure, sometimes..."
So we spent our obligatory day outdoors, then ventilated, then came home for dinner. The dog must have licked up something we dropped, because she began making these terrible wretching noises. She crawled out from under the table looking like she was trying to scrape a bad taste off her tongue. Then she began vomiting. So I spent the the next hour on the phone with the vet, the animal hospital & then 'animal poison control', who then looked up each of the six chemicals which the PCO had used that day. The final verdict: "these chemicals are 'typically not life-threatening' for dogs." Which wasn't quite good enough for me but since the dog was ok, I decided to go with it.
Word to the Wise: This particular PCO had left us a list of each chemical. The first company I used a few weeks ago had not. ** Get your PCO to list the chemicals!! ** Also: one of the reasons that the animal poison center had trouble was that he had listed some of them in the commercial name (like "Kills -All" or whatever). Get the PCO to list them by the chemical names, esp if you have pets or kids. Just a recommendation.
The PCO came back a week later for the follow-up treatment. Even though they said 'no mopping for several weeks' I took the liberty of washing the kitchen floor in the spots where my dog eats & carries her food, just to be on the safe side.
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DangerousDave
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Posted 5 months ago
Mon Jun 8 2009 14:55:30
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When my PCO left from doing my first treatment, on the receipt itself, it had a spot to list any and all chemicals, details, and their respective concentrations used on site, he later mentioned it was mandatory.
So I'm now really relieved this was the case for my pmp. -
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Posted 5 months ago
Mon Jun 8 2009 15:18:08
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As it should be Dave. Unfortunately experiences like bunnies are extirely too common. I've actually worked with clients who have had other pest control companies in that didn't even leave tickets behind to say they applied any pesticides let alone common names.
As for the dog experience, the poison control people were accurate in that many of the pesticides on the market today have LD50's (lethal dose to kill 50% of a test population) that are well higher then what you would encounter in a typical pesticide application. I.E. what you're dog contacted most likely wasn't nearly enough to have a noticable or acute effect. Just a classic "I have a bad taste in my mouth" reaction. Pesticides used today aren't nearly what they used to be and the LD50's for many you would be amazed at (extremely low toxicity).
Nonetheless, the pesticide record left behind is inexcusable.
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Bunny
Could you list the pesticides that were used?
I agree with Jim's assessment. I think you took the correct actions ... consulting vets & poison control... it is hard to distinguish a reaction to licking something distasteful from the start of a serious reaction, but most of the products used today have a pretty good safety profile
If the appropriate pesticides are properly applied according to label directions, then the short term (acute) health risks for dogs are minimal in most cases. Smaller animals are at a slightly higher risk due to body weight vs dose ratios... but if the house is safe for human habitation including children & infants... it would stand to reason that it would be safe for a domestic pet.
Just keep in mind that a minimum clearance time may be significantly shorter than an optimal period. If you want to err on the side of safety, you could go with longer ventilation times, use fans or otherwise restrict your dogs movements (confine to a dog crate) to minimize the exposure to newly applied products.
I would have concerns about mopping... both with the interference with the treatment success & that you might inadvertently contaminate areas where a given product should not be applied... such as using the same mop head in the kitchen that absorbed chemicals from another location.
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bunnybedbug
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Posted 5 months ago
Mon Jun 8 2009 20:44:18
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Doug - Here are the chemicals used by the 2nd team:
- CB-80, BP 100, Pyrocide = Pyrethrins
- "Conquer" = Esfenvalerate
- "Gentrol" = Hydroprene
- Temprid = Imidacloprid/Cyfluthrin
- Tri-Die = Pyrethrins
- Exciter = Pyrethrins(don't know what the first team used; different company)
Also: thanks for the comments re: mopping. I didn't actually mop the floor, just used a soapy rag & water & paper towels then tossed the rag. I just wanted to wipe up the chemical in the spot where the dog eats, since she tends to slop her food and then lick it up. Hope that was ok.
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Posted 5 months ago
Tue Jun 9 2009 22:01:10
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Good lord that's a chemical load. Talk about overkill with pesticides.
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bunnybedbug
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Posted 5 months ago
Tue Jun 9 2009 22:06:41
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Well then no wonder my dog was getting sick!! I wouldn't have any way of knowing what is the 'standard' amount or which ones should/n't be used. So then if they did all that, how come I am still having living critters running around??
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BugBoy911
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Tue Jun 30 2009 22:54:09
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bunnybedbug - 3 weeks ago »
Doug - Here are the chemicals used by the 2nd team:
- CB-80, BP 100, Pyrocide = Pyrethrins
- "Conquer" = Esfenvalerate
- "Gentrol" = Hydroprene
- Temprid = Imidacloprid/Cyfluthrin
- Tri-Die = Pyrethrins
- Exciter = Pyrethrins
(don't know what the first team used; different company)
Also: thanks for the comments re: mopping. I didn't actually mop the floor, just used a soapy rag & water & paper towels then tossed the rag. I just wanted to wipe up the chemical in the spot where the dog eats, since she tends to slop her food and then lick it up. Hope that was ok.
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bbbSeriously!! WOW!! Plus it doesnt make any sense really of the combo they used. I mean why would you use Exciter which is pyrethrins in your B and G and then use it in an aerosol? I can think of a few reasons but I doubt they actually used them correctly. That place must have been quite strong when you came back 4 hours later, Cb-80 plus BP-100 plus pyrocide!?!? Why, I mean did Cb-80 work better than Bp -100 and then pyrocide worked even better? THere all the same crap, plus exciter is the same thing on top of those three. THen is like, why would you use Conquer and temprid together? I was always told that Conquer is an oil based pesticide recommended to use with oil base, but can be used with water. To mix both I think is way to much chemical and would actually repell bedbugs more than actually kill them. I approve of the Tri-Die Dust/aerosol or dust and the temprid and hydroprene, yet I just know they didn't use them correctly. I think they wanted to show off and list all these potent pesticides, but really only used 3 of them if that... Welcome to toxic pest control at its finest.
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Adele
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Posted 4 months ago
Tue Jun 30 2009 23:15:21
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My tiny little dog also had a reaction to chemicals last year when I was in the first apartment that had the tremendous problems with bedbugs - the PCO at the time also used a lot of chemicals
my dog is 9 Y/O 6lb Pomeranian and was always very healthy - except for this one time which was about 1 week after the PCo visit. She went into a Gran Mal seizure - the very first time I ever saw her do that
well needless to say - after about a dozen different tests including MRI's. CAT scans, X-rays, blood tests, which all came back normal - the Dr surmised that the cause was overexposure to Pyrithins. These chemicals are not normally harmful to dogs - they can very harmful to cats - but not so to dogs
Since my dog was so tiny the DR surmised that she was more susceptible to the effects and was overexposed to them. At the time he told me to clean the chemicals up - which I did
She has never had any health problems or seizures since then
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