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willow-the-wisp
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I’m a Father … A success story?
Well it finally happened yesterday or today ... the triple bagged, air-tight sealed Tupperware has a little action in it! They are so hard to see--at least one has hatched ... maybe two. Note--I am killing my children (eggs laid by the one bed bug I found a few weeks ago, wandering around on the wall in daylight) slowly.
Yes I'm starving my kids to a slow death--but I don't recommend this at home (unless, of course, your kids are triple sealed bed bugs). Send me cigars! Send me klean free! Send me best wishes!
For all the new bites.... I just wanted to see how long it would take for an unfed nymph to die. Well they are so small ... it may be hard for me to ascertain this.
Don't try this at home folks.
If the eggs were laid on days 6-9 after I found Olli … and they started to hatch today … that would be how many days until hatching???
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Sun Jun 3 2007 14:39:51
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Mozel tov! LOL
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Sun Jun 3 2007 15:02:16
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Wow, you could eventually have mega more if you fed them. Two bedbugs can become 6000 in a few months (if fed, of course, and you are not going to feed them because we know what you'd have to feed them! Praise to the entomologists here who feed their bedbugs.)
I think technically you are the Grandfather.
I forget why you called her "Olli" but everytime I see the note at the bottom of posts "Allowed markup: a blockquote br code em strong ul ol li" I think you got her name from the "ul ol li." So the kids can be "ul," "ol," and "li."
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Sun Jun 3 2007 15:11:21
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please let them die a long death by starvation! Also I am so curious re: hybernation. if you let them alone (don't touch or shake the tupperware) i wonder if they would go dormant, and if so, for how long?
on the other hand, i'd be tempted to torture them... stick them with pins... dessicate them with de... burn them with cigarettes etc.
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Sun Jun 3 2007 15:22:49
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Birhtdate (s):
After I found the stray bug—“Lady Oliviaâ€, and by my slip shod math …it is taking. 9 1/2 to 12 and 1/2 days (give or take 1/2 a day) given too, that all eggs are viable and will hatch accordingly on schedule—It took 9 and ½ to 12 and ½ days to hatch.
If they were laid: MAY 22, THRU—25th. I don’t really recall the exact days. Those days are recorded in my mind.
Now... of course … they must die.This egg flying scare and steam:
It is why I gather Frank at the (waronbedbugs--blog), is so careful about steam and not suggesting any blasting of it. (At least to me, a novice at the time, he hadn’t. And I can’t say what he’s got on there now. I can say-- Each time I look at his site it has always only gotten always better. Frank has all sorts of schematics and diagrams—they really helped. Thanks always--to Frank!Steam:
I’m so glad that when I DO recommend the blaster, I do so only if it is to be blown in, toward a corner seam, done on both sides with nothing left to chance, as much as possible—And …. Before hand: A two foot deep, lightly dusted barricade of Fresh Water DE (like one quarter of a circle) is pre-dusted to prevent bed bug “sliipage past yaâ€. This method is tricky—dangerously so perhaps. But the area should get at least fairly to almost fully damp. But you must really know how your steamer operates ahead of time and be hand with it--before you try this: and you must really lay out the DE fist. And it could really take hours to be very through for just one corner. 6 foot corner. (I suggest, say 2 feet inward from the DE).
Then for 36-48 hours, intermittently, I also suggest that a dry CERAMIC (safe) heater, blown, onto that whole area just inside the DE along with a few applications of some Lysol spray, both then help to reduce mold growth and increase dry time. This is all from hind sight (and a small burn). Had I to do it again … I plan more along the aforementioned lines. There are many techniques with the steamer … Franks a wiz at it! This is just my idea.Baby names:
OK—Blow The first one is named after you “Baby Blowâ€
I am making you her/his Aunt, Godmother really. I’m doing this for you—because the “piddly as**†ones’ you still have ... Where had you said they were? In the car was it? Inside a pill bottle?
Shriveled?
Dead? Dead as Dope Fiends? Yes … that is what I recall.
I recall you hadn’t sold them down at the sea shore with anyone’s sea horses so I felt sorry for you. Ahhhh! But I presume too much.
So what do you say, Blow; will you accept the offer???Nightshirt: Do I believe a bed bug egg can by shear force fly across a room by up to 5--7 feet? In theory I do believe that. Just thought you’d want to know that I feel that way and that I can still answer my own questions and I always hope you’ll love me.
Question for Nightshirt … Who do you think I’ll try to name the next baby bed bug after?Gosh, sorry I got so scattered guys.Sitting on these eggs ain't been easy!
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Since I want to check the longest possible survival with minimal air ...
(I mean common ... how much 02 could they possibly need ...?)I will handle the container through double plastic every day at bed time for 1/2 hour--I promise!
Parakeets--crack me up some more (Olli did have special meaning to me--but that ain’t it and they all have names in my minds eye already--and those ain't them! ;)). -
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now there are three of them. They don't really move unless I tap the tupperware and say hello: they tend to fall on thier backs--as do the adults, apparently, easily no matter what age brackett. But imagine, triplets and I harldy even showed. I didn't gain weight nor did i get morning sickness varivose vaeins--nada but I may still be especting. Anyway--My triplets ... all boys, look like dry land, adult sea monkies without tails--anyone ever had sea monkies or seen them?
Well it's like that for me. I have three land roving tail-less sea monkies. -
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Mon Jun 4 2007 9:22:33
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Sea monkeys! Remember the photos of them in the back of the comic books? Pushing baby carriages? Riding bikes? Boy, did those sea monkeys smell after a while.
Bedbug related, those sea monkey eggs could survive anything...being mailed, drying out totally, kids...maybe years from now (when they have treatment for bedbugs) they will send kids bedbug eggs in the mail and kids can grow and play with their own Ollies. Bedbug bunkers will be like ant farms and kids can watch them do their somersaults for entertainment.
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Ah yes those were the days... had many sea monkeys--watched them "hook up" not too unlike how the baby bb's sort of get “stuck together.â€
I sincerely hope all of my analogies to what baby bed bugs and eggs look like have given people a better idea of what to look for over the past few weeks.
One the one hand, they look very much like the digital photos we so often see now, but the pics are deceivingly large ...A smooth, long, oval, opal ring--the size of a period: (.)--That’s an egg.
Add six stubby little legs and a little sucker--that's an unfed baby bed bug.
They are about 1/3 the size of this: (*)
They are milky white/cream colored.
That is because they have not been fed.Put a dark spot inside it—and that would be a fed baby bb—That, I have seen, when I de-infested the Elderly Guys’ bed—scary!
This (*) is about like the size of a fed second stage nymph—and I hope I never see a live one of those again, (unless, of course, it is inside Parakeet’s new and enhanced “bed bug farm.â€)
Even though they are quadruple wrapped … Do I still get a bit queasy when I take the Tupperware still left inside one sealed plastic bag out, to examine them? Oh boy oh boy oh boy!—Oh yeah!—I do!
Last night (as most nights) there was this pinching feeling in the bed—but I know it is not bed bugs because their “stick†is so nearly painless. That is a good thing for people with Delusional Parasitosis and other skin related “itchies†to try to hold onto.
The bite is so nearly painless—it could NOT possibly be like the little pin pricks and or mini stabs I’ve felt on and off through all of this. This is because having been bitten, and having been awake and watching as it happened … I KNOW that such sharp pain is AT LEAST 6--8 times sharper and more noticeable than an actual bite of any Bed bug. Maybe such a pricking feeling is even 10 times stronger and more noticeable than an ACTUAL Bed bug bite..
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Mon Jun 4 2007 10:31:39
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I've had bedbugs for a long time--with the population cycling up and down as my landlord treats. So I know that while MOST bedbugs don't hurt when they bite, there are a few stupid ones that really hurt when they bite. Like OUCH hurt. I say they are stupid because it's a pyrrhic victory for them. Yes, they get my blood, but when I feel them bite, I slap the site and said sucker is smooshed.
I've been told there is an anesthetic that bedbugs inject into us when they bite so we won't feel it. Bedbug-novicaine of some sort. So I think a few bedbugs probably don't produce that due to some genetic defect and we can feel those bedbugs bite us. I definitely have felt a few bites, like a needle piercing me.
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Mon Jun 4 2007 10:37:41
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fair enough--perhaps it is becase they are so desperate to feed and can't produce the novocain too--not just a genetic defect. So I'd agree ... a very hungry bed bug "may not" take the time required or "may not" have been able to manufacture this novocain-like substance to inject us with first.
Corrected by a bird ...
Anything is possible on this site!
And so since your so smart--we now have '"Baby Blow" and "Baby Keets" And "Baby T-shirt"
Ladies ... I hope you know your "namesakes" are all on the strictest of diets! -
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"Baby Keets"? A nestling? I feel like an aunt.
If we were closer, I'd come and feed my baby.
I have a sort of macabre jealousy of the people who get to deliberately feed bedbugs, rather than just be a passive victim.
Bedbugs feed on me all the time when I'm asleep and not looking.
I can't control their feeding.
I wanted to have one bite me while I watched, while I controlled the variables.
I want to learn as much as I can about these little suckers (before I kill them).
I guess I want to TOY with them.Hi, Baby Keets. Auntie says hello.
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Mon Jun 4 2007 11:13:24
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“baby keets†is resting comfortably--for now .... Last night however, she was racing thru the "tupperware hut" sitting on her two sisters and in general, reeking havoc and creating major pandimonium!
Did I "slap her down"?
Hey I do not want the child protective services in here, so I'm saying ..." I'm sorry your Honor ... I just can't recall if I had slapped "baby keets' around a bit last night or not.
Since I will be starving her and her two sisters to death--honoring three of our most famed members here--at bedbugger, by doing so .... it's rather a moot point as to wheter or not I had slapped her around a little or not.
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Mon Jun 4 2007 11:19:41
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You could put a bulbous, fat and fed bedbug into the container and maybe the babies could feed off that bedbug by piercing its abdomen.
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Mon Jun 4 2007 11:24:13
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It would not surprise me if they tried it, but I wonder if they'd use the novocain-like substance, or not, ... in the trying to "bug feed"?
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Ms. Keets: how long have you had your bbs for? So sorry to hear that, and yet you still have a sense of humor. How do you keep on with the humor?
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I've known I have had bedbugs for 18 months, but I had them before I knew I had them, if you know what I mean. There have been times when I thought they might be gone, but it was just a low cycle and the population grew again. They have never completely gone away.
I think the bedbugs are in the ceiling (where I've seen them crawl into ceiling fixtures) and in the wall voids--and the treatment so far doesn't seem to get into the ceiling or eradicate them from the wall voids, though they did drill some holes along the baseboards. They just don't think UP. They seem to be treating baseboards. I'm not there when the place is treated or I'd give them a piece of my mind.
As for humor, it is the only thing that has gotten me through this time. I even submitted some bedbug jokes I made up to the Yahoo bedbug board which you can look up. When I am most upset, a kind of wry humor comes out. Otherwise I'm kind of sweet. So watch it when I'm upset!
Most of the tenants in my building simply moved when we had bedbugs (and sadly possibly taking bedbugs with them to their new buildings). The landlord rented to new tenants and didn't tell them the building has bedbugs. The cycle repeats itself. This is the cycle of bedbugs in multi-unit housing.
I don't know if it can be entirely solved. You cannot effectively treat every unit in a building unless you disclose to all tenants that the building has bedbugs (they don't want to do that) and spend a lot of money (they don't seem to want to do that, either, having intially tried to self-treat which made the problem worse). Even when they get rid of bedbugs, who's to say with normal turnover, a new tenant won't move in with bedbugs? That's how they came into our building in the first place I think. Even if someone doesn't move in with bedbugs, think of the likelihood of just one tenant in a multi-unit building (some of which have 50-400 tenants) staying at a hotel or college dorm and bringing a bedbug back with them.
I feel almost all multi-unit housing in major US cities will have bedbugs in a few years. Sell your REITs now!
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Hi Parakeets. It's important to remember that your situation is not without a solution. (It only seems like it is because you have been living it and surviving it for so long.) The options are not easy and I understand why you are unable to make a choice or move forward. We're here to support each other, and to support you in whatever actions you take. You and your fellow tenants have rights. And eighteen months is too long. At some point, even a small step can be an improvement. There is risk and uncertainty in whatever we do. We can stand still and yet be unsafe. Please let us know how we can help. It's not correct to assume that it would be pointless to try, that a new tenant could start it all over again. If you were standing outside that observation you would recognize the fatalism. Anyway, I just want you to know, again, as we've discussed, that we're all here for you.
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Keets, what is REIT? Also, how the heck do you keep going know you have them s..kers? I feel so desperate sometimes. I'm definitely going to see someone, but, still wanna know what keeps you going?
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Mon Jun 4 2007 16:15:20
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do you know which one is actually ollie? i bet parents cn tell their children apart. mozel tov
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REIT = Real Estate Investment Trust, a financial vehicle for buying into real estate properties with a group of investors, without buying the real estate itself.
Thanks for everyone's kind words. My landlord has been treating all along and it is getting somewhat better. Things were made much worse by the original bug-bombing they did. Until I get rid of bedbugs, I refuse to move to multi-family housing. That's how someone spread them here and I don't want to spread them. I got this close () to renting in a 2-family. I would have thrown out nearly everything. But I met and liked the kind old lady landlord who lived downstairs and I just couldn't expose her to the risk.
1) I am not the one who hires the PCO for my apartment. My management company is. So I don't have a say in what the PCO does, except to complain to the management company.
2) My management company is not very responsive. EG., it took them almost 8 weeks to remove a discarded mattress from the hall of our basement. That was after I contacted them, faxed them, called them, put signs up ...
3) I also can't forgive the stupidity of the tenant who dragged the nearly-new mattress into our building from the dumpster. That was not the management's fault. If tenants can be so stupid, then there isn't much hope for a building becoming bedbug-free, is there?
4) I could go on but sometimes I just give up.
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well Miss Parakeet... We should be able to help you with some stuff: get a steamer and we'll talk you thru it? 30.00--40.00 bucks. i know when the pheromones come out you'll probalby try to make wall paper out of them, and I don't blame you one bit. you have a feisty neice here, and she say's--SPrrkRAY! Auntie Keet-etta " SPrrkRAY! (She has a French accent by the way, and she sings like her Aunt)--but her choice of songs--goodness!
This morning she was singing from the Three Penny Opera!
"Show me the way to the next whiskey bar ... please don't ask why ... oh, please! don't ask why!"
"Baby-Blow kiced her in the 2nd shin on the R, side. So I hadn't had to slap her down or anything today--so far.
Thanks for taking care of my "light-work" "Baby-Blow!"I wonder if any of the hachlings will be boys?
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Keets, do you think that maybe the tenants are just in the "not in the know" about bbs? Maybe they REALLY do not know that the mattress was infested? I'm not sure, just speculating. Do they know anything about bbs? Maybe they just don't care. If that's the case then that stinks. You can start a new thread and vent if you'd like. I'd vented here before. I've had people "yell" at me from this site. Good, let them yell at me. It's for my own good.
We're here for you!!
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Let the official bedbugger Birth records and roll call state that "Baby U2" is the "runt of the litter" thus far. Also ... not all baby Bed bugs are equal--they are not exactly the same size or color. Some, such as "BabyU2" and "Baby T-shirt" are a bit smaller and more milky white than are "Baby -Blow and Baby Keets". These latter, tend to huddle together, whereas "Baby U2" is still somewhat lost. "Baby T-shirt not quite yet even two days old, is already requesting (rather demanding) that she receive ballet lessons before the usual 6 or 7 days one should wait before enrolling a kid into such a class.
But, she does demonstrate rhythm and since she won't ever be performing in public I figure what's it going to hurt—and if it does hurt-- oh well good for her.
These kids are being all mixed up with the cast eggs--and the few skin tags I had to toss in there just to make sure they were not eggs.Therefore, perhaps … two or three more yet to hatch. It is really hard to say—
I'M NOT SURE IF IT IS "BABY-BLOW" PULLING "BABY KEET'S"HAIR
or if it is the other way around. So long as they hurt each other, I ‘m all for it."Auntie Keets" may need to give a good talking to her niece.
(The little brat keeps bogarting ALL THE cardboard.We just had a six-legged race across the cardboard … some baby won—but which is beyond my technical skill to say! All hell and bedlam has broken loose inside the Tupperware, yet, I tend to turn a deaf ear and a blind eye to all of their hungry little cries for blood.
I admit … I’m a rotten Father and I suppose I’m now considered a rotten slumlord too!
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Tue Jun 5 2007 13:55:25
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We need a Tupperware-cam to show us all the goings on in the nursery! I just love your descriptions of young bedbugs at play. I wonder when they make their first pretend bites?
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"Baby -Blow" has a battle scar already Bird woman--(and I suspect it's from "yours" Cay you write her a sleeping poem that I can scream to her to get her to pipe down?
Maybe she'll even stop pulling "baby -Blows" hair and let her get some sleep? I'll scream it at them all--whatever it is, if you think it it will help.
(Can't even get them into thier jammies without some sort of a rucus.) -
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Tue Jun 5 2007 18:31:24
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Rockabye, bedbug.
Daddy's gone a-hunting.
No yummy blood in baby's bunting.
No food in sight.
Play and cry through the night.
Think we're torturing you just for spite?
It's ALL bedbugs we hate.
Because of our blood your parents could mate.
Yet you'll never taste blood, for sure.
You'll stay small and white and pure.
Keep your virginal allure.
You will die.
No one will cry.
You'll be forgotten in a blink of an eye.And good riddance to the thousands and thousands of progeny you would have had, too.
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well that did it thanks! i sang it as i tested the advantage on them. The singing killed them moreso I think than the advantage. That was very questionable--but needs real research for bed bug use. (It is doubtful, see the thread)
Those bugs helped us out!
All anunts and Uncles get a shocking well deserved round of applause!
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Wed Jun 6 2007 10:17:16
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Does this mean all the babies are dead? Does this mean we don't get to send you a Father's Day card?
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exactly
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