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  1. OnlyKnowsAndroidBugs

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    Hey all. I've read up quite a bit since I found the first one one Sunday night on here. My roommate got a text from a neighbor earlier that I felt the need to register and ask about. We've been at a loss as to how these got here, as there's literally almost no comany or any movement. My roommate has OCD. I do know cleanliness does not factor in here - my point is he actually checks in the whole house regularly to ensure total cleanliness. This combination had us confused as to how we were finding bugs and remains (only in my box sprins, bugs only in my room and the bedroom so far). We finally heard back from a neighbor today, and she told us they had treated for it with the prior tenant in our apartment via a PCO. She also had to be treated in her apartment, and as far as she knows, everything was taken care of entirely in one visit from the same PCO that is to come see us. All three apartments are to be inspected in about 19 hours..

    As I said, I have read extensively on here, some of which alluding to the fact that in states like mine (Ohio), there is no clear defined law concerning bed bugs as there is in say New York. This means that if the tenant is found to be at fault for infestation, we must pay for it - this text appears to imply we are not the ones who brought these in at all, though. All of this leads me to one very important conclusion, which is that it appears bed bugs were not adequately exterminated, even though paperwork was signed by said PCO ceritfying the nonexistence of an infestation post-treatment. This leaves me with a very imporant question I've not seen an answer to on here, and I have been up for so many days I simply cannot even handle searching coherently right now. I'm sorry. If you understand my name, I am quite comfortable with things like forums.. but I have been up for days. I'm in bad shape. I need to understand this:

    Could it be possible for us to be in this residence for 8 months and just now begin to see bed bugs? I am aware they are hiders, but I suffer from insomnia and am commonly up at bed bug prime hours (3 - 5 am, usually I am asleep before 6am when some say they are out until more likely). Infestation is quite light in my bed, and it seems to have only also affected our bathroom thus far. I spend a LOT of time in bed, as I am an agoraphobe, and my only furniture I own is my bed - this is what makes me wonder if I could have possibly not noticed if the infestation was going on prior, given all of these factors. Could all of this be bed bugs from the prior tenant? I don't understand how all of this could be from eight months ago, almost nine. However, I also have no idea how they could have gotten in here between my own psycholgical issues that keep me quite home ridden most of the time, and my roommate having OCD and checking in everything of his and the common rooms of the house SO regularly If anyone could help me either with some explanation either for how this is possibly (or likely) bedubgs left from a previous tenant, or confirmation that this is impossible, I would be most appreciative. If anyone would like to also reach out for just some mental health support or to talk to me (I suffer from panic disorder, agoraphobia and bipolar disorder, and I am really, really not OK right now) I would be super grateful. Thanks all for your time and hopefully, your responses to my post.

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    Could it be possible for us to be in this residence for 8 months and just now begin to see bed bugs?

    You would have seen signs before 8 months if they had been there.

    While it's true that bed bugs can live a long time without feeding, if a host is available, they won't stay "dormant". They will come out to feed. That's a given.

    Are you getting bitten? Do you and/or your roommate react to bites?

    Can you post a pic for ID confirmation?

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    I react and have been bitten, don't think he has but he found one on him one day like a week ago. Is it possible for the treatment done between the last tenant and us being enough to kill them off, but not permanently? Or is it absolutely certain these came recently? Pics attached for id, definitely bed bugs.


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    Hi,

    Sorry about your situation. I would just try and relax as much as possible and wait for the inspection.

    If it shows that it's not just your apartment, then I don't see how the landlord can claim you brought them in. If it shows it's just your apartment, you might have a harder but not impossible case to make.

    The important thing is that it appears the landlord is doing the right thing by having a professional inspect all adjoining units. This bodes very well for the problem to be taken care of properly.

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    So it seems the landlord is going to make us pay half for a PCO treatment. PCO should be here in about 38 hours. I don't know what to do anymore, because we are one of three units in this building and the other 2 units are not going to be treated - just us. How can we possibly get rid of these things if only one unit is being treated? Am I going to have to leave - and leave my stuff too? I'm in Ohio, by the way - is there anything that can be done? I don't know how we can fix our problem if the two adjacent units are not to be treated. Hoping someone can help me or give me some advice, as I am at a loss at this point. Thanks everyone.

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    I would try to verify what the local laws say about bed bugs in rentals. The laws in Ohio are not the same for the whole state.

    This sheds some light on the variations and gives some leads to who you might call for more information: Ohio Healthy Homes Network on Bed Bugs.

    I started and run the site but am "not an expert."
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    We have spoken with Fair Housing and gone as far up as directly contacting the Mayor. There is absolutely zero liability for bed bugs in Stark County, OH - they are not considered a "health concern". Also, as per the [expert id needed] on the post - I have to point out that's inaccurate. The PCO who came on Friday and is scheduled to treat on Wednesday (about 37 hours away) positively identified both the samples I had posted here as bedbugs, and identified a live bedbug and nest on the premises.

    Basically, my question boils down to this - I've seen posts that actually mention having adjacent neighbors treated unwillingly, as law allows it. I am curious as to whether local law here would allow for that, as I don't care at all about maintaining my relationship with my neighbors at this point. If you don't care enough about my mental health to take part in ensuring an infestation is terminated, I simply cannot value or care about you as a person. I also agree that it's the compassionate thing to do to force treatment on someone, as no one in their right mind would allow a bed bug infestation to remain intentionally.

    What can I do, what can't I do? More precisely, I sincerely doubt that you know my local laws here in Stark County, OH by heart or off the top of your head. My hope is that you may know either what key words I want to search to see if it is possible to force adjacent neighbors to be treated without their permission, as all three apartments are rented from the same landlord - I would assume if authority to do this exists in Stark County, OH - he would be the one to do it. Any information you can give me (or direct me to find myself - sadly I am so burned out from insomnia and delusions I am drawing a blank no matter what search parameters I use) would be greatly appreciated.

    Lastly, what would you recommend if the truth of it is, I can't do anything, and they are simply going to treat my unit and mine alone and bill me for it? Do I need to move in this case? Will I be able to bring any of my stuff with me, or will there be no way to ensure infestation is taken care of so long as adjacent neighbors refuse treatment? I'm thinking I could probably bring some items like my TV, computer, most of my belongings and simply would have to leave my bed here, as I cannot imagine moving it with an encasement on top would be a good idea due to the likelihood of the encasement ripping.

    Sorry for the massive amount of questions - I am in a very dark place psychologically right now, and I am really just hoping for information I can use to make the best of a bad situation. Right now I feel like I basically need to kiss my life as I know it goodbye and find a new place, taking only a limited quantity of my belongings to avoid infestation. I sincerely hope it's not that bleak and would LOVE any feedback any of you might have to give me. Thanks so much everyone for your time, and thank you, NoBugsOnMe, for setting up such a lovely website for people dealing with such a horrendous epidemic. These are so embarrassing, debilitating and genuinely traumatic.. I can only hope more people like yourself take the time and energy to educate people like you have.

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    OnlyKnowsAndroidBugs - 10 minutes ago  » 
    We have spoken with Fair Housing and gone as far up as directly contacting the Mayor. There is absolutely zero liability for bed bugs in Stark County, OH - they are not considered a "health concern".

    You hadn't mentioned where in Ohio, unless I missed it. It sounds like you've looked into it.

    Also, as per the [expert id needed] on the post - I have to point out that's inaccurate. The PCO who came on Friday and is scheduled to treat on Wednesday (about 37 hours away) positively identified both the samples I had posted here as bedbugs, and identified a live bedbug and nest on the premises.

    This is a routine tag for posts with images. I removed it, however.

    Basically, my question boils down to this - I've seen posts that actually mention having adjacent neighbors treated unwillingly, as law allows it. I am curious as to whether local law here would allow for that, as I don't care at all about maintaining my relationship with my neighbors at this point. If you don't care enough about my mental health to take part in ensuring an infestation is terminated, I simply cannot value or care about you as a person. I also agree that it's the compassionate thing to do to force treatment on someone, as no one in their right mind would allow a bed bug infestation to remain intentionally.
    What can I do, what can't I do? More precisely, I sincerely doubt that you know my local laws here in Stark County, OH by heart or off the top of your head. My hope is that you may know either what key words I want to search to see if it is possible to force adjacent neighbors to be treated without their permission, as all three apartments are rented from the same landlord - I would assume if authority to do this exists in Stark County, OH - he would be the one to do it. Any information you can give me (or direct me to find myself - sadly I am so burned out from insomnia and delusions I am drawing a blank no matter what search parameters I use) would be greatly appreciated.

    I would look for information on landlord rights in the case of bed bugs-- those sites are likely to help you figure out if landlords can force treatment if an apartment shows evidence of bed bugs.

    I imagine that's pretty common actually. Landlords have a right to protect their property and other tenants.

    IMO you shouldn't push for treatment, but professional inspection. Units without bed bugs don't need treatment. The resistance to professionally inspecting neighbors is usually that the landlord doesn't want to pay for it.

    Lastly, what would you recommend if the truth of it is, I can't do anything, and they are simply going to treat my unit and mine alone and bill me for it? Do I need to move in this case? Will I be able to bring any of my stuff with me, or will there be no way to ensure infestation is taken care of so long as adjacent neighbors refuse treatment?

    There are ways to treat your belongings and move them without bringing bed bugs. You can have everything treated in a moving truck or pod with Vikane gas (sulfuryl fluoride)-- either locally or in some cases you may have to drive to where it's available. Heat is an option in some locations but I would not rely on it as fully.

    You can also treat items piece by piece in heaters designed for this purpose or using sealed containers or sealed bags with DDVP or Cirkil/Proof. There's information on all of that in the Useful Tools page. In these cases, it will be hard to treat furniture.

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    @Nobugsonme thanks so much for all of that. If I do have to leave, does anyone know of any resources available for people in a situation like this for a bed? I have a serious shoulder injurty and need a good bed, leaving and going somewhere without this bed and dresser I could do. But I am scared of the price of what a new bed would really cost me if I was unable to take it - that's about all the furniture that is mine. My roomate, on the other hand, would be losing a LOT of things.. I hope we don't have to go that route. I cannot live this way, though, so I am just preparing and curious what help or anything might be availble to someone in a situation like this. Given the nature of this forum, and the genuine trauma associated with this.. it's something that's kind of a "shared bond".. you feel for others who are going through this nightmare. Is there anything available in terms of afforadable beds for people who have been pushed out of their homes by bedbugs?

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    The Vikane treatment of a pod (container) or truck may actually be cheaper than replacing those things. It's not cheap but you can look into it. BBFS is one company that arranges treatment in various cities: http://bedbugfumigators.com/

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    Just to add-- I don't know of any affordable beds specifically for people who've had bed bugs. There are inexpensive mattresses out there but thy may not be sufficient for someone with injuries.

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    Hi,

    Out of focus but they are bed bugs or close relatives.

    As others have said if the property is occupied bed bugs would be active and feeding. If you can take a clear picture of the most stained area I may be able to shed some light on the duration of that part of the infestation.

    I was looking at a case today where the evidence is being used to see how long the infestation had been present prior to the property sale which is currently underway. There is a lot of CSI type investigation at the top end of specialist bed bug work.

    Hope that helps.

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    You mentioned a few days ago that the landlord was going to inspect adjacent units? Was this done and did they find anything?

    Assuming adjacent units were inspected, and it was just your unit...

    I would then not focus your energies on the neighbor's units being treated. In fact, it may even be against regulations to treat a unit where no bed bug activity is found.

    Given all the scenarios you've been mulling over, it would seem the simplest and least expensive option at this point is to let the landlord treat your apartment if it's just your apartment. If 50-50 is the best you can negotiate, and your research shows no other legal/code remedies, then that is what it will cost you, which I assume will be far less than moving, getting rid of stuff and/or container treating a bed and/or belongings.

    Hopefully, that will be the end of the problem and things can go back to normal. Later, you might talk to a lawyer to see if you have any other remedy such as small claim courts since you appear to have a reasonable case that the bed bug activity was prior to your moving in. But personally, I'd just get on with treatment at this point.

    Richard

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    Yes-- I agree that if they won't inspect adjacent neighbors, there's no reason to assume neighbors are infested. If you get treated multiple times and wait and the problem persists, then you can go to plan B.

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    We were told all three units would be inspected, but only ours has been. The other two adjacent units refused. Exterminator coming in 6 and a half hours.. trying to figure out if I can do my crazy naked run Dout the door post shower into a bag of clean clothes routine with them here, or if I'll be wandering for four hours. I have a bag of clothes and a place to go and a ride - just not sure if I'll be able to shower and leave once they are here or not. Hoping so

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    I didn't follow all that about the shower, but I hope it went well.

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    Sorry, my "shower routine" to get clean so I can go places without infesting people, as advised by PCO. Note, all my clothes are in airtight plastic bags, and were either already clean and dried on high heat for 40 -
    60 minutes, or washed and dried on high heat for 40 - 60 minutes. I keep a bag right by my door downstairs (infestation is upstairs in my bedroom primarily if not entirely). I get all my stuff done for the day, take say my keys, wallet and phone and set them on the table right by the door and I go to the shower. I take a hot shower, then immediately after I come downstairs totally nude (advised by PCO not even to bring towel downstairs with me to do this 100% safely) and dart to the door, open my bag and put on boxers, shorts, and a shirt. It's warm to hot here currently, so I'm not weairing socks and have all shoes bagged up (after drying on high heat 40 mins per pair). so then I just throw my flip flops on and leave out the door with my phone, wallet, and keys. If I need to bring anything more than that, I double bag it airtight in two shopping bags, and then I spray the outer bag with rubbing alcohol I keep in a spray bottle on my porch, as well as my flip flops. I then get picked up by others, as to not risk contamination in my vehicle on the way to my destination. I was told by the PCO that this was the only absolutely safe way to travel without heat treating items (I cannot afford a PackTite), so I hope this is truly safe as I am told. I've disclosed the infestation and such to the few people who I do go see or get in vehicles with, and they are all comfortable with the regimen. For what it's worth, most people around here, especially younger people and poor people (thosere likely to be in apartments - I am 28, so most of my friends are younger) are familiar with bedbugs, as I live in an area with a very bad problem. My mother is the only other person I visit, and she works in a public school in an area with a serious bedbug problem, so she is also familiar and not at all worried about tihs regimen. If anyone has any pointers I could add or would like to reassure me or tell me to quarantine myself, please do.

    As for the treatment, my unit was treated today. The PCO used is quite familiar with bed bugs thankfully, probably due to the severity of the issue in this area. I asked how often he dealt with them and he said "everyday a lot of the time". The chemicals used were Temprid and Gentrol - I don't know much more about it than that, but I do know that everything was still wet when my roommate came back - 4 hours after the treatment ended. Only a few damp spots remained when I got back, about 8 hours after treatment. I could definitely smell chemicals, and aired my room out for a couple hours - it seems to be better now. It seems the bugs are active after the treatment, as I found two live ones tonight hours after I had finished vacuuming my room and all. I only got my wallet, car keys, bedding, andelectronics out and (not even all of those) - and a few medicines. Other than that, I am choosing to live out of these bags in case this doesn't go as well as I am hoping, to avoid most of my belongings being exposed. Is it normal for them to be more active after a treatment? Part of me wonders if it could even just be the movement from him taking the bed apart and getting up under and inside it, but I am curious if it is the chemicals and I should be expecting to see them more often than I had before the treatment hereafter. I was expecting the opposite - to see less bugs after the treatment. Obviously I am not taking the first night or two bugs as an indicator, so I figure I would just report what I observed tonight and ask what to expect in that regard.

    The one final thing that really concerns me is vacuuming. Our vacuum is my roommate's, and it's quite a nice vacuum. He's pretty partciular about it, and other than sweeping my floor I don't hardly even know how to operate the thing. It has no bag, and I have been looking and seen clear explanation for what to do with bags from a vacuum, but I was not able to find a clear/simple method for vacuum care for a bagless vacuum. The model is this vacuum here. the Shark Navigator: https://www.amazon.com/SharkNinja-NV22L-Shark-Navigator/dp/B002IPHBNE He had already swept I believe before I got home this evening. As I said, the infestation is primarily in my room. i swept and emptied the container contents directly into plastic bag, sealed it and took it outside. As I have been unsure what to do with the vacuum canister, I bagged it up and left it in a bag so it would not contaminate anything before it was able to be dealt with/cleaned. Would anyone be able to instruct me on how to properly and simply care for a vacuum like this with a canister when dealing with bed bugs? I would quite appreciate it.

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    I would copy and paste just the info and question about the vacuum to a new thread with a title that makes the topic clear. Experts may have something to say on that and many people aren't going to wade through every thread.


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