How long after first exposure do new "bites" appear?(9 posts)
I was exposed to bb's Friday night in a hotel. It's now been about 72 hours and I noticed some new bites on my neck and face today. Could this be a delayed reaction to the original exposure? How long should I expect this? There's no evidence of them on my sheets at home so I'm hoping against hope that this is just part of the original attack and when it's over, it's over for good.
The technically correct answer is that we're not exactly sure.
The answer that matters to you is that we have heard of some of cases in which bites took as long as 9 days to appear.
It's entirely possible that the "new" bites you're experiencing are bites that you received while at the hotel.
When you realized that you'd been exposed, did you follow the protocols for what to do after exposure to minimize your chances of bringing hitch hikers home with you?
i was still getting bite-like marks a few months after my home was inspected by a bedbug dog and confirmed to be clear of bedbugs (this was quite some time ago, so i now know that the dog was correct and that the bugs were gone). however the marks i was getting months later were smaller, and looked a bit different from the large welty bites i got in the beggining. they may have been delayed bite reactions, or perhaps reactions to the pesticides/diatomaceous earth that i had been using.
if you haven't already, i would suggest laundering/dryering the clothing you had with you at the hotel, and appropriately treating the other items that were with you as well (ie. a duffel bag can often fit in a dryer to be heat treated). if there were any live bugs on your items, they may have already moved from these items into your home, but you should still treat your items regardless because there is always the chance that there have been eggs laid in your bag as well.
after treating these items, i would suggest keeping an eye out for the next little while. if you're still worried, have a professional inspect your home. please do not use pesticides on your own as you may only end up scattering the bugs (if there are any) throughout your home, making them harder to treat.
hope this helps.
When you realized that you'd been exposed, did you follow the protocols for what to do after exposure to minimize your chances of bringing hitch hikers home with you?
I didn't have access to the article at the time but after I moved out of the infected room Saturday and into another, I checked all articles of clothing including seams etc. for any signs (in the bathroom). None. I also checked my bags and didn't see anything. But I think I was wishing and hoping it was confined to the bed. I was in a state of shock and opted for a stiff drink! When I got home yesterday I put everything in plastic bags, laundered the clothes, put what would fit in the freezer in the freezer.
Today I decided it just wasn't worth the risk. I threw just about everything out. My orthotics are still in the freezer and I'm using my laptop but the knapsack, tote bag, purse, makeup bag, my clothing and shoes I threw out. I don't want my rental apartment to be infected and I certainly don't want to cart these back to North America when I return next month.
In retrospect the only thing I would do differently than stay in that hotel is pitch the stuff out before I ever walked back in the door of my home. You learn these things the hard way ... we're way too attached to things and nothing is more important than peace of mind and a good night's sleep! If I have to leave everything behind when I go back to my real home, then I'm prepared to do it.
Don't stay at Hotel. I think airline Stewart's have technique they use when they stay at hotels.
i'd be so interested to hear how your story turned out. i will assume that since you didn't repost, you were in the clear, but..
i had a similar experience: spent a couple hours at a friends house, sat on a chair that had bedbugs on it. she called me right before i got home to tell me not to bring my clothes inside (she didn't know she had them until then). i stripped down in the yard and left my clothes outside in a bin until i could get them cleaned the next day (hot and hot at the laundromat) but my gf took her clothes of in the house and put them straight into the washing machine. we filled it with hot water to submerge the clothes, but did not let it run its full course since it was too late at night (neighbours are very noise-sensitive). both of our shoes were left outside in bags.
in hindsight she really should have taken off her clothes outside too, but i'm hoping that the hot water soak, addition of soap to break the water's surface tension, and the 4 or so minutes of agitation of the laundry got was enough to drown the [expletive deleted]. she took her clothes off in the kitchen, near nothing upholstered and i mopped the next day. no guarantee, i know.
anyway, about 3-4 days after sitting in the buggy chair, i started displaying small, itchy red bumps. on my chest, leg, back of neck, top of foot and arm. so i'm in full on panic mode now. i'm wondering if the chair had enough bugs to give me over 15 bites in one sitting, or if i brought them home and i'm getting multiple bites here.
i've scoured and searched and nothing has shown up. i'm not sleeping and have been turning on the flashlight at random intervals and have seen nothing.
i am praying i didn't bring them in. i can't wait to sleep again and stop worrying. this is hell.
Yes I was in the clear but the fact that I'm still trolling this board means that the aftereffects of such an experience stay with you a long time! For 3 days after the 'incident' I was noticing new 'bites'. In total I had about 40 from one night at the hotel. But after 3 days I didn't notice any new ones (I wrote in a log book where each of them were so when I inspected my body I could identify new ones). For me the bites seemed a lot like mosquito bites, with a small pinprick-size hole at the centre. Most didn't get really big except for one on my cheekbone which was the size of a loonie. If I hadn't seen the bugs I might have mistaken them for mosquito bites. They did last a long time but then I scratched quite a bit. I had to wear long sleeves for quite some time.
The whole experience was overwhelming and the lack of sleep, constant paranoia, etc. really ruined my life for a couple of a months. It was also quite costly. I ended up throwing out most everything I had with me at the hotel, nothing was particularly valuable but it all adds up (I just couldn't stomach the thought of wearing those clothes again or carrying those bags). To ease my fears when I returned home a couple of months later I had a bed bug dog inspection of everything I brought back with me, not quite at the airport but before anything made it in the door. That was negative and even though people say these things are not fool-proof it made me feel like I did everything possible not to infect my permanent residence.
Still, you're never quite sure. I lived out of ziplocs for quite a long time, dried the hell out of everything, spent a couple hundred dollars on dry cleaning. I have to say I don't think a day goes by when I don't think of them but I have tried to get on with my life. I have had to stay in a hotel again (yes, I inspected) and I survived the experience. I have had to rent a temporary apartment, furnished (shudder) and I am surviving that. I even stopped dropping by here until a couple of weeks ago when I got bit by something in bed in the wee hours of the morning. Even though I'm nervous about it, I'm a little more calm this time. I will not be throwing anything out. I will deal with it. I've inspected and am vigilant. I definitely got bit and my skin, which previously was not sensitive at all, is now very sensitive. The dermatologist prescribed me an antihistamine which worked well. Logically I know I do not have bbs and I'm trying not to let the mind game overrun the logic.
It sounds like you did almost everything you should have when you learned you'd been exposed. I hope like me you've dodged a bullet and come out the other end a little wiser. But part of me still longs for the good old days when I was living in a bubble and could enjoy travel, movies, riding the subway without worries. That more than anything is why bbs suck!
It''s crazy the way it play a toll on your mind. I feel at times I am going to lose mine and never be the same again. I moved and I do beleive I don't have them anymore, but I still get some little bite on me too and not sure why? We have searched and torn things apart and cannot find nothing. It has been long enough now that if a few got loose they would be bigger now and crawling out where we can see them, nothing I search each night before I go to bed. My daughter came up last night and she can see better than I SO SHE CHECKED TOO AND NOTHING. I think it is my nerves. There for a little while I would itch like somthing was crawling on me I got a magnifing lense and looked when I felt it itch or bite. Nothing at all, so what I did was exfoliate my skin real good. I have dry skin anyway and then I put oil in my bath water and since I do that I don't feel like I am itching or getting bit. I am a bit concerned about the new little bumps that come up but I sometimes do that when I get nervous too. So I am still looking each night and proably will for the rest of my life.
I have been suffering for almost two months with an ever increasing itchy rash. It started with a small patch of rash on my wrist and several weeks later another small patch on my hip and lower leg. As soon as the rash started, I tried cortisone cream. After a week of that not working, I tried a topical antibiotic and then an antifungal cream. The antifungal cream seemed to help a little. After about a month of this rash, I ended up out of the blue with too frequent urination (every hour). So then I started thinking the rash and the frequent urination might be an STD or urinary tract infection. I went and got checked but the Dr. didn't find any significant amount of bacteria but gave me medicine for a urinary tract infection and yeast infection anyway. I used the medicines and felt some relief. A few days later, I was waking up with mosquito bite type marks on my upper legs and rear. The original 3 rash spots started to spread. Each day I kept waking up with new bites, welts or rashes that weren't there when I went to sleep. The bites started to itch terribly and I was feeling hot quite a lot. I got on the internet to see if maybe bedbugs were the source of my problem. So I did my homework on the internet about bedbugs. I thought maybe that was what was bothering me. My husband didn't seem to be affected despite being in the same bed.
So my search of the bed and common living areas began for this elusive biting source that was making me afraid to go to sleep. I could not find anything. Each day I would have new bites, rashes or welts. I decided to get a vinyl mattress cover and also bought bedbug/lice spray to spray around the bed and furniture. When I went to spray the mattress before placing the cover on, I did notice about eight little black pepper type dots on the stitching near the top of the mattress. I sprayed and vacuumed those up. The next morning I woke up with bites again, despite being in long pjs and socks. I would get up in the middle of the night with a flashlight to see if I could catch anything in the bed. Nothing. Then the itching started. The most terrible itch anyone can imagine. Picture a dog when he scratches and his tongue is hanging out...that type of itch. I noticed it was worse at night and after a hot shower. Now an alarm bell went off in my head. Oh, please, please don't let this be scabies...I had these 20 years ago. I picked them up from my boyfriend who had them for a while on his feet and ankles. It took almost 6 months before I showed any symptoms, but once they were there, I had them everywhere on my body (from neck down). I remeber that itch, it was the worse I ever felt and would make me want to tear my flesh away, it's horrible. I've had dry skin rashes all my life and know how to ignore an itch but the itch of scabies, can NOT be ignored. We don't currently have medical insurance so I went looking for an OTC medicine for scabies. No luck. I knew that meant a trip to a doctor that we could not afford. I did end up at the Dr.'s office and told him I thought I might have scabies, because of the rash and the itching which was worse between 2am and 8am. It came almost the same time each night. I couldn't sleep. The Dr. said it wasn't scabies that it didn't fit the TYPICAL appearance of a scabies rash and that scabies usually occurs in an area and spreads evenly and progressively in a direction on the body. I knew this was bull because when I had them, I got them everywhere, except my face, hands, feet, and hair. He said he was sure it was a ringworm fungus and then said to use a topical antifungal cream for that. I had already been doing that. He said he'd give me a STRONGER medicine and that should clear it up. I went home with the expensive cream that I was supposed to use 2x per day till gone. I used the cream for 2 days and the cream was gone. I ordered a refill double dose and that lasted 4 days. It helped a little on the rashes but then I would wake up with new ones. I was so itchy and desperate that I decided to try drastic measures. I got Clorox Cleanup and squirted it on my body. I have sensitive skin and it burned like heck. I could only stand the pain for about 30 seconds and then I washed it off. It completely irritated the rashes to the point that it hurt to touch the skin. I started washing all the bedding everyday, thinking that the fungus was re-infecting me. The rash in some spots began to dry slightly but they were painful. I called the Dr. after a week and told him that the antifungal wasn't working and requested a scabies prescription.. I asked him to prescribe extra so that I could treat myself and my husband. He told me couldn't prescribe extra (even though we are paying out of our pocket with no insurance). I was PO'd. How can a Dr. think that I could be cured by only treating myself and not my bed partner. I treated both of us anyway with the 5% Permethrin cream from face down. We washed and vacuumed. I felt a little better the next day, but by day 3, rash was spreading again.
The itching became so intense and continued to spread, so I treated again with 5% Permethrin cream about 6 days after the first treatment. I even tried to spread some cream on my scalp. For the past 2 months since the rash first started, I noticed that I was losing a lot of hair, especially from one spot on the top back of my head. I didn't know what else to do, I kept waking up with rashes, bites and the terrible uncontrollable itching and was no longer sleeping. I could feel a pin prick in areas around my body at night and then sometimes, I got the sensation of something crawling on me. It was horrible. One of the rashes on my lower leg had grown into another rashy spot and was now a huge patch of irritated, darkened, dried skin that made it hard for me to walk. It was horribly painful. Since the scabies medicine didn't seem to be working, I was at a loss for what it might be. When I had scabies 20 years ago, it never spread this fast and didn't hurt like this rash hurts. I also never got it in my hair or private areas. This rash is down there the worst. I feel sometimes like things are actually crawling from down there. Yuk! By this time, I am back on the internet trying to figure out what the heck is crawling on me. Maybe this is not scabies, then what the HECK is this? I was delirious with lack of sleep. However, I did find an extensive amount of people with the same symptoms. That was somewhat comforting because I have started to question my sanity. So now I belong to the mysteriously bitten club. Can I please get a refund on my membership? This sucks...Okay I knew I needed to go back to the Dr. again because I was out of ideas. At this time I had some other unpleasant symptoms. I got nausea one day and chills and night sweats, all the time feeling like things are crawling and biting me. Then I got to thinking that if I can't find the source of the bite, the things might actually be on me but invisible. So before I paid for another Dr.s visit, I went to Toys R US and bought a microscope that had a digital camera with it. That night I stayed up, determined to find the culprit for this. I still was convinced that something was crawling and biting me. I also read that Dr.s have Poo Pooed this as a type of psychosis. I also noticed as several people have also noted that, I am the only one getting bit and itchy and that it seems to be worse in the chair at the computer. So I did my homework and sat there at the computer with a wide roll of very sticky packing tape. As soon as I would feel a bite, I immediately put a piece of tape around the bite and then made sure it was stuck to the skin well and took it off and folded the tape in half so that if by chance there was something there, it wouldn't crawl out of the tape. I did this about 8 different times on different parts of my body including my scalp which has begun to itch terribly as well. What I found...
The photos aren't the best, can't afford a top of the line microscope, all the money is going to medicines and Dr. visits. The first night I did this, each spot that I got bit on did yield the same filament type organism in all areas of my body. It kind of looks like a piece of string. Most were the same size and a few were longer. They had to be seen under the microscope at 900x magnification. There were not a lot of these, just here and there where I felt the bite sensation. There were also, a few oval or round looking organisms that I think now may be eggs. They were difficult to see. I found it strange that each place I felt the bite sensation I would find these filaments in the skin tissue on the tape. Initially, I didn't do a skin tape test on any parts where I was not bitten so these could have been some sort of fiber that was on my body. The only thing I found strange was that they were similar in size and shape despite coming from different parts of my body. I have heard of morgellons but didn't know much about it. My first thought was maybe these are bacteria or tiny worms. I have not been well for almost 5 years now. I get re-occurring bouts with my lungs and coughing and swelling of my hands and feet, as well as stomach problems and headaches. just don't have much energy anymore. The Dr.'s I had when I had insurance weren't the best and failed to find a diagnosis. All that kept coming back abnormal was a couple of blood tests. So, I was thinking, is it possible that a parasitic worm could live under human skin? Could this be the source of the rash or maybe my re-occurring sickness. I'm not a microbiologist, so I looked into it on the internet. It turns out there are parasitic worms that do live under the skin and migrate on the host. They are not common but they do occur. So I printed my photos and put them on a jump drive and went to the Dr. I wanted to give proof that there was something under my skin that was causing sickness and irritation. The photos weren't the best but the re-occurring fiber like substance was present in each of the bite areas, also there were sometimes black round spots. You can view the photos at:
So I went to the Dr. armed with my photos because I was feeling terrible, headache, nausea, bloating. The rash was getting worse and I was developing a cough. I asked the doctor if there could possibly be a parasite that could live under the skin that could produce my symptoms. Since we had already tried the antifungal and scabies treatment. He asked if I had done any international traveling and I said I had gone to Aruba a few years ago and some domestic travel as well. He thought I should be tested for Parasites and Their Eggs. I was thinking the same thing since I was so sick. He wanted to check in particular for a parasite that can auto re-infect a person that has the worms that crawl under the skin. I have been ill for about 5 years now and when I had insurance, I didn't have the best doctors so I was never diagnosed with anything. The only thing they found was an abnormality in my jaw and some granulomas in my lungs and 2 blood tests that kept coming back abnormal without explanation.
Many of the symptoms of this particular parasite, I have had. The mortality rate of this parasite is around 33% to 90%. Most people get diagnosed with it the day they check into an emergency room and then die shortly thereafter. Since the risk was high the longer treatment was delayed and the side effects are few, I asked to receive the medicine before the results came back. The doctor gave me Ivermectin to take, it turns out this is the same medicine that is used at times for Scabies. Two days later I was still getting bit and itching, especially on my scalp. I took out my handy dandy microscope and did the packing tape thing again on different parts of my body. One piece of tape that I placed over one of the most affected areas, above my rear, yielded a series of what appeared to be tracks, possibly from droppings or eggs. The trail was evenly spaced. I followed the trail with my microscope and at the end of the trail, I found a cluster of about 6 or 7 bugs on top of each other. They had to be viewed at 300x magnification. The bugs appear to sometimes be moving in a line together, which would explain the crawling sensation I would get. There is another photo that clearly shows a bug with two antennae or legs in front and two sets of legs off the body. There was fecal matter around as well. Gross, under my skin. Now wonder why I'm sick. I now have one in my left ear and can hear movement from there when the bugs get active. I am wondering now what type of bug this may be. Since so many of the scabie type treatments haven't worked, I'm wondering if this is a whole different bug. I had scabies once before but there was just a rash and a terrible itch, never the crawling or biting sensation. It seems to help to put antifungal cream on sometimes but it still doesn't get rid of the pests. I was thinking it was scabies, so I emailed my doctor and asked for the scabies treatment again and something for my hair because it was itching from bites too. I couldn't attach a photo for the doctor but I wanted him to see these bugs so he could see that there was definitely something there. The next day I checked for prescriptions online and found he had prescribed 3 medications. One steroid cream, some moisturizing lotion and another medication I was unfamiliar with but no scabies medicine. I looked it up online, it was an anti-psychotic drug. I was so angry, here I was with definitive proof that there really were bugs under my skin and wanted him to see them and try to identify them, so we would know what to do to treat them. If they aren't scabies, then what are they? He never even looked at the photos. I've had scabies once before and I will never forget the itch, well this itch was even worse. Now I am still suffering, angry and trying alternative methods for treating whatever is bugging me. If anyone can help me to identify the bugs in the photo, please do so. These were definitely under my skin in different places. So now I just want them gone and can't get any medicine to make them go away because my Dr. says that Typically, if it was Scabies it would be gone after the cream application. But these are in my hair and I need to keep up on them so they get better and don't lay more eggs. I've had scabies before 20 years ago and never had the biting feeling that these things give. So now I wondering what type of bug this is. Here are the images:
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