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How did folks rid their homes of bed bugs in the old days befor DDT?
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Itchybutdealing
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Thu Nov 5 2009 12:35:46
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Can we pick up tips from them? Anyone know this obscure bit of history?
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Louise
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Thu Nov 5 2009 13:08:37
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According to my mother-in-law, they just lived with them and tried to keep them under control. It was not an uncommon thing to have bedbugs. People would go visiting in the winter, the coats of the visitors would be laid on the bed, and when they returned home...well, let's just say that if they hadn't had bedbugs before the visit, they had a good chance of coming down with a case of them now!
She can remember helping her mom every Saturday with the beds and bedding. This was in the days before vacuums (and washing machines!), so her mother would pick them off with her fingers. I'm not actually sure what she did with them after picking them off...squished 'em , I guess.
No dryers, either. I can't imagine.
My dmil says that once they starting using plasterboard on the walls inside the house, they disappeared. I suspect some DDT and the flystrips hanging over the table may have had something more to do with their disappearance than the plasterboard...
I *really* don't want to go back to the "good old days"...at least not insofar as bedbugs are concerned...
Louise
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Thu Nov 5 2009 13:28:34
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Sulfur, arsenic, cyanide, pyrethrum, DE.
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Thu Nov 5 2009 18:14:51
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Also up to some point weren't mattresses stuffed with straw, and re-filled annually?
Anyhow I would guess that mattress re-filling would also be a measure taken.
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Louise - 7 hours ago »
According to my mother-in-law, they just lived with them and tried to keep them under control.
She can remember helping her mom every Saturday with the beds and bedding. This was in the days before vacuums (and washing machines!), so her mother would pick them off with her fingers. I'm not actually sure what she did with them after picking them off...squished 'em , I guess.
LouiseMy question to Louise is what did your MIL and her mom do about couches and toys and tables and chairs, etc. to help control bbs since bbs can also live in other things besides beds.
As far as what she did with the bbs after picking them off. Well I have an idea, she should've boiled water in a bucket and just threw them in there and watch their fate into burning hell.
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earthangel - 2 hours ago »
Also up to some point weren't mattresses stuffed with straw, and re-filled annually?
Anyhow I would guess that mattress re-filling would also be a measure taken.Yes, this is true. Hence the saying "making your bed". People really did used to make their beds in the old days, literally. They made them from straw. Now, by the term "make your bed" in modern times means just putting sheets on the mattress and/or make sure the sheets do not look messy. Also called "fixing your bed". Why should we fix our beds, are they broken? LOL! Just thought I share that little tidbit.
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i wonder about the other furniture too, in the old days
but my plumber told me that when she was young, they got bedbugs
her mother (with 11 children!) washed all the bedding every day!!!
and turned over every mattress every day and picked off the bugs and the eggsand it took years to get rid of them
amazing storymy plumber is about my age (50 or maybe a bit older)
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Well in the Caribbean my grandmother said they used kerosene oil, she said they don't like oil, someone else told me that to, but I don't advice y'all to do that cuz it is flammable, but yea she said kerosene worked
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Fri Nov 6 2009 19:39:58
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I heard that in some Algonquin tribes (the tribe my grandmother was from belonged to the Algonquin Nation) they would follow a "scorched earth" policy where every several years they would burn everything down to the ground, move, and start the vilage over again. Scientists now know that it is very wise to rotate the crops and move the plantings to different fields every couple of years, so what the Natives did made a lot of sense. I realize how the same policy could also address clutter, and bedbugs too. I went to a bed bug conference where they referred to people who threw everything out when they moved to make sure they didn't take bedbugs with them as following a "scorched earth" policy.
(Note: I'm not sure how much of this is true or just lore. I don't even know if there were already bedbugs on our continent or if the Europeans brought them when they arrived here.)
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Louise
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DeathToBBs - 2 days ago »
My question to Louise is what did your MIL and her mom do about couches and toys and tables and chairs, etc. to help control bbs since bbs can also live in other things besides beds.
As far as what she did with the bbs after picking them off. Well I have an idea, she should've boiled water in a bucket and just threw them in there and watch their fate into burning hell.Okay, I asked my MIL about this today. She just chuckled. She said didn't really have a whole lot of "stuff" (toys, books, clothes, etc.), and they weren't really a problem in other pieces of furniture (at least not that she can remember). They were mainly in the mattresses and the walls. The walls were made of wood boards - major cracks! Her mother would pour boiling water down the walls, making sure to get every crack, in order to kill the bedbugs hiding there. Eventually they papered their walls and painted it with something called "calcimine" (I think that's what she said) which had lime in it, and apparently the bedbugs didn't like lime very much.
She and her brother slept on a straw mattress, and the straw would be replaced and the cover would be washed in hot water.
Her parents had a "real" mattress, although it apparently had a zillion pleats. She can remember her father jumping up out of bed every once every couple of weeks and exclaiming that he just couldn't sleep!!! (Both her father and her brother reacted quite badly to the bites; she and her mother "weren't ever bitten"...) Her parents would then go and sleep on the floor of the dining room. The next morning her mother would work on their mattress, picking off the bugs (and I assume the eggs) from each pleat, and washing the sheets (by hand, in hot water, with lye soap and no gloves). She can't recall what her mother did with the bugs she found; she thought she may have squished them or put them into a pot of water or kerosene.
She insists that bedbugs were very common and that most people had them. (Shudder!) I'd like to know how anyone DIDN'T have them in those days!
Louise
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When you research for long enough you do find a lot of things that people did to control the problem in terms of physical processes because control with chemical products was still an emerging subject. There is a lot of talk about the "bug powder men" who would stand on the street corners and sell their wares. Most appear to have been sulphur based and using products that we now know are not safe to consider.
We even see gases like cyanide being used into the 1940's and there is one case of a scorched earth policy in a large part of London in the 1950's. The whole neighbourhood of railway workers cottages was demolished and burned, a top the pire was an effigy of a bed bug.
I just spotted an interesting reference from a war time diary of a POW in Japan in 1943:
http://www.far-eastern-heroes.org.uk/James_OToole/html/dairy_1943.htm
23-5-43
The bed boards are infested with bugs chaps up all night killing em & shaking blankets, can't keep the bastards down; doesn't effect us so much as we have iron beds & by de-bugging once a week they can be kept down.
I have interviewed people who used such processes up until the 1960's but they lived in areas of the world more adapted to such practices. In such environments I can only assume that the infestations were at such levels that exposure was due to more than just staying away from home.
As for if the Europeans introduced bed bugs to the USA I think you will find that the cave dwellers beat us to that one. A many have found moving without taking bed bugs is difficult, they hide well and not many are prepared to walk away from everything which frankly is not needed with modern treatment options. Strongly believe that bed bugs have been a constant issue for society for millennia and that rather than eradicating them we simple pushed they back into the dark corners where we stopped looking.
Now they have got brave and have pushed back out again and are on the move able to recapitalise on the evolutionary niche that they fill so well and this is due in part because society has changed. No longer do people strip and clean their beds in the same way that they did up until the 1950's. If nothing else it showed the early signs of an infestation and deeper cleaning and treatment could be started early.
We are also a more mobile species that our predecessors' and thus more prone to get exposed that generations before us.
I dare say if you throw in a loss of bite response through unexposed generations and you will increase the numbers that do not respond when initially exposed and thus more people spread unknowingly.
Will modern control be achieved by looking back at what people used to do and encouraging that as well as utilising modern tools and procedures I certainly hope so.
I can feel a wave of nostalgia wafting through me again and I may have to spend the afternoon reading the fine works of Tiffin and Son bed bug exterminators 1705 - 1940's. Enlightening text for anyone interested enough in bed bugs to wade through old English text.
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Pyrethrum and DE Dust really are two perfect weapons against the bedbug, one providing fast knockdown and the other for long term control and prevention. Whats needed to apply correctly and safely are the correct tools and the knowledge of "how to apply correctly." With all the fancy "Thermal, Freezing," I find its just not necessary and thew working with clients and staying in contact find that defeating bedbugs takes a few weeks and a really good careful first application of contact kill insecticides with no residual to using long term residual prevenatative insecticides to prevent ANY future inhabitants within ANY crack and crevice within a room. If you hit a possible harborage point with the correct pesticide you will make it very difficult for a future infestation to break out. DDT is not necessary in the war against bedbugs, whats needed is fair priced treatments, PCO's that specialize specifically in bedbug elimination and prevention, and enough time in your day to complete such a task. I find the new fancy thermal or the use of DDT have more of a chance for things to go bad than conventional crack/crevice/general/preventative treatments done by one who understands the bedbug.
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thanks bugboy! enlghtening, how people used to battle these things. I guess I shouldn't cry so much. I wouldn't if I hadn'tjust spent my whole back disability check on a compuer and a truck---yes, that's money I'll NEVER have again. EVER.
amy
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BugBoy911 - 3 months ago »
Pyrethrum and DE Dust really are two perfect weapons against the bedbug, one providing fast knockdown and the other for long term control and prevention.Really? Pyrethroid resistance is quite common in some places.
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Beth
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Sun Feb 21 2010 23:28:35
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yes my bugs are pyrethroid resistant. I'm not even sure why they try to use it anymore on the bugs in NY.
amy
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As a point of information in regard to a common misconception of available data not ALL bed bugs are resistant to ALL pyrethroids and not in ALL formulations. In the period say 40 -60s there are a number of sub factors that probably helped other than effective chemicals. A lot of those are house hold cleaning tactics like spring cleaning, washing and hanging out things, beating carpets etc. In addition clutter was probably not as prevalent and furniture was not of particle board with 100s of screw holes, seems, cracks and crevices. Vacuums were new and had some pick up as opposed to some of our current day hand held mini vacs. I am always surprised how many people don't have vacuums. Also there was less of a stigma involved and folks battled it together and openly. And of course a lot of dangerous old country methods were employed. But the most effective control was through the use of insecticides which were effective and in formulations that were available for bed bugs control.
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I can imagine how prior to the 1950s most ordinary victims were forced to use primarily manual methods of control. But I wonder how the very wealthy coped? Were other methods available to them apart from ordering their staff to fanatically clean?
It just seems so horrendous that in the 1930s some cities had an infestation rate of as high as 33%! I assume the rate of infestation must have gradually increased through the ages, so I wonder which time period one could compare our situation with today? Are we now experiencing comparable infestation levels with the 19th century, Middle Ages, Roman times etc?
For some reason I have trouble imagining famous figures like Lincoln, Churchill, Hitler, Napoleon etc just coping with bedbugs as a part of life!
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Itchybutdealing - 4 months ago »
Can we pick up tips from them? Anyone know this obscure bit of history?I know they used to use kerosene to get rid of them in the old days
Mike S
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People did many really dangerous things in the past in attempts to kill bugs. Just because it can kill a bug doesn't mean it is safe.
In the 30's the Ministry of Health had a huge report that detailed many a plan and kill method of the time. Using a powdered form of mercury, that is the form most hazardous to humans, was one.
Common in the days before DDT was cyanide fumigation which killed many a PCO and the gas was trapped in furniture and could harm the residents as it seeped out.
Jim
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greenapplepest - 15 hours ago »
Itchybutdealing - 4 months ago »
Can we pick up tips from them? Anyone know this obscure bit of history?I know they used to use kerosene to get rid of them in the old days
I am sure Mike meant to say "and this was extremely dangerous and so please do not try it."
People have been in the news lately trying to get rid of bed bugs using gasoline, and possibly kerosene, and harming themselves, burning down their homes, etc.
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Nobugsonme - 13 minutes ago »
greenapplepest - 15 hours ago »
Itchybutdealing - 4 months ago »
Can we pick up tips from them? Anyone know this obscure bit of history?I know they used to use kerosene to get rid of them in the old days
I am sure Mike meant to say "and this was extremely dangerous and so please do not try it."
People have been in the news lately trying to get rid of bed bugs using gasoline, and possibly kerosene, and harming themselves, burning down their homes, etc.well of course that is what I meant to say. Kerosene isn't very green and that is my philosophy. I am in the business so long and have been trained by people who have used those products.you are right that I didnt mention not to under any circumstances use kerosene!!!!! I thought it was common sense like telling people not to use DDT, Anyways apologies are def in order. I'm sorry all
Mike S
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greenapplepest - 9 hours ago »
well of course that is what I meant to say. Kerosene isn't very green and that is my philosophy. I am in the business so long and have been trained by people who have used those products.you are right that I didnt mention not to under any circumstances use kerosene!!!!! I thought it was common sense like telling people not to use DDT, Anyways apologies are def in order. I'm sorry all
Hi Mike,
No need for apologies. For most people that may be a given, but you'd be surprised what desperate people will try.
Even if kerosene was "green" it would still be extremely dangerous and not a good idea under any circumstances.
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Nobugsonme - 3 hours ago »
greenapplepest - 9 hours ago »
well of course that is what I meant to say. Kerosene isn't very green and that is my philosophy. I am in the business so long and have been trained by people who have used those products.you are right that I didnt mention not to under any circumstances use kerosene!!!!! I thought it was common sense like telling people not to use DDT, Anyways apologies are def in order. I'm sorry allHi Mike,
No need for apologies. For most people that may be a given, but you'd be surprised what desperate people will try.
Even if kerosene was "green" it would still be extremely dangerous and not a good idea under any circumstances.Unless you are trying to perform insurance fraud. :D (i'm kidding as well)
I'd imagine it would be a lot easier to control manually back then because there wasn't as much "stuff" laying around for them to hide in. Think about all the things sitting around you as you type on your computer. TV's, DVD's, photo albums, alarm clocks, a dozen pairs of shoes, clothes clothes and more clothes, etc. There are just too many places to search now a days.
Still, I can't imagine what i'd be doing right now if i didn't have my Packtite...
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earthangel - 4 months ago »
Also up to some point weren't mattresses stuffed with straw, and re-filled annually?
Anyhow I would guess that mattress re-filling would also be a measure taken.I had read somewhere that the dried leaves of a variety of plants called "bugbane" (or bugwort, snakeroot) were traditionally stuffed into mattresses in Eastern Europe and Siberia to deter bed bugs. Apparently they have some type of naturally occuring chemical that bed bugs dislike. The latin name for bugbane genus is Cimicifuga ("cimex" meaning bug--specifically the bed bug, Cimex lectularius, and "fugare" "to drive-away" in reference to the insect-repelling attributes).
I'd love to hear about it if anyone has used this plant in the war against bed bugs.
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4blossoms - 3 minutes ago »
I'd love to hear about it if anyone has used this plant in the war against bed bugs.
Repelling bugs is not a war strategy. Tactics and products that capture or kill are the only things that will win.
Trying to run them off is a losing proposition.
Put on your best Robert DeNiro voice.
I want that sonofbitch dead! I want it's family dead! I want it's eggs steamed to a crisp! I want to get up in the middle of the night and piss in peace!
Jim
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Put on your best Robert DeNiro voice.
I want that sonofbitch dead! I want it's family dead! I want it's eggs steamed to a crisp! I want to get up in the middle of the night and piss in peace!
*snort* giggle
spidey i *totally* want you to make a motivational youtube video on fighting the bed bug war -- in your robert de niro voice of course :)but seriously 4blossoms, spidey is right. what experts here repeatedly say is that repelling them just drives them deeper into their hiding places (like your walls, floors, etc) spreading them around your home and maybe even to neighboring apartments and thus making the war ultimately harder to win. the ONLY time i could see a repellent being even a little bit useful would be if you were going temporarily to someplace you thought might have bed bugs and wanted to keep them from wandering onto your stuff for a few hours (like on your bag at a movie theater). but even then, it makes way more sense and is probably more effective to just packtite or otherwise thoroughly debug your stuff when you get home.
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Hi,
This morning I received a new item for the bed bug museum. A set of 6 Victorian or earlier postcards unused detailing the story of a young lady who moved into a new apartment only to encounter bed bugs. It will take me a few days to scan and get them online (its a busy week) but the first reads:
"A lady took apartments,
Which looked quite clean and snug
And felt herself quite happy-
Never thinking of a bug"The last reads.
At last she pounced upon her foe,
And put him in a jug,
And let it have a cooling swim,
"that terrifying bug"David Cain
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Thu Mar 18 2010 9:12:22
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Hi,
The postcards are now live int he gallery here:
http://www.bedbugbeware.com/museumgallery.html
Enjoy and please let us know if you can work out an age for them.
David
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