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    Thanks 1st time posting. I did not know the 1st one got posted and I saw the link got broken however I could not find my post to correct or delete it. Thanks for fixing it. ...Scott

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    they have bed bug conferences? wtf?!?

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    jccrosby - 1 hour ago  » 
    they have bed bug conferences? wtf?!?

    Well, strictly speaking they're PCO and Entomologist conferences. The bed bugs themselves haven't quite reached that level of sophistication.

    Or have they?

    Eve

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    Eve - 8 hours ago  » 

    they have bed bug conferences? wtf?!?

    Well, strictly speaking they're PCO and Entomologist conferences. The bed bugs themselves haven't quite reached that level of sophistication.
    Or have they?
    Eve

    It actually depends on the hotel.

    The bed bugs do sometimes have their own conference concurrent with the pest control industry's conference.

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    no bugs im LMAO

  8. so unsettling

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    Is there any point in telling us this, when so many people discover that the "trained professionals" can't get rid of them either? Until something happens that convinces us that PCOS can perform the effective kind of treatment that Dr. Wang talks about, or until landlords become willing to keep up a long and expensive battle, people are going to self-treat.

    Given the fact that people are held liable for spread, they in fact have a RESPONSIBILITY to keep fighting the battle on their own when a professional doesn't seem to be winning it. You can't give people responsibility, without also giving them the power to carry it out. Most landlords are not going to Vikane an entire building, and no tenant can afford to foot the bill. I am aware of all the counter arguments, such as discovering the source and so forth. That is part of the responsibility as well.

    Seriously, there is no logic in telling people to rely on PCOS who don't seem to be able, or who are not being paid, to carry the job to a happy conclusion. We need state-supported, legally-backed, comprehensive methods or we will just try to do it ourselves when other methods failed. That is just how it will be, until something gives.

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    Hi,

    Just playing devils advocate here.

    This state-supported, legally-backed, comprehensive methods sound very much like the council offered service here in the UK. I wonder if any of the UK lurkers who have gone down this route want to chip in and comment.

    In some parts of London about 6% of our cases have gone down this path 5 or 6 times and we still go in to fix it. Often our prices are lower than theirs in private properties. One of them even had the cheek to have a go at me a few years ago for not agreeing to do a days training for their staff when they offered me $75 for the day to do so.

    Yes I agree that some sectors of the industry still have a lot of learning to do in terms of how to deal with this issue but to tar us all with the same brush is about as silly as expecting to treat all infestations of bedbugs the same way. Yes you can go to a bedbug university to learn but they don't teach the essential skills on how to develop a method just how to follow theirs.

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    Wasn't advocating, just describing what I see as a reality. We can't be given a responsibility without the power to carry it out.

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    Hi,

    I appreciate that, but what you describe is our reality and it is a long way from being an ideal utopia in terms of both efficiency and efficacy.

    We are all responsible for bedbugs and until society reaches that realization and starts to teach it as a message from primary schools up there will always be people out there loosing the battle and by that I most certainly include both professionals and self treaters.

    I think we will see what Stephen Doggett has noticed in Australia which is that many pest control firms will stop doing bedbugs and they in reality become a specialist problem which only those with experience and proven systems work on.

    David

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    David, the day our Environmental Health dept quits assuming it knows what it's doing just because it's the environmental health dept & begs you to come run training for all of their staff, field operative & management alike, is the day I'll believe that they even want to know what they're doing.

    To be fair, the PCOs do want to do better & I do blame the management & the wilful ignorance of our councilors for not enabling them to do better.

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    Unsettling, it's hard to put a finger on what the gov't should do, huh? I think what David is saying that they have funding for gov't pest control in the UK and it doesn't work well.

    What they shouldn't do is ban pesticides that are relatively safe and are effective against bed bugs (Dursban). They shouldn't make the regulatory process so long and expensive that no manufacturers find it worthwhile to develop new pesticides that work (they do). They shouldn't deny temporary emergency requests from states (Ohio, propoxur) based on health concerns for children and then not look for a way to at least use them in households that don't have small children. They shouldn't make the cure that was cheap widely used and widely available in the 30's and 40's (sulphur candles) illegal because they are afraid that people are to stupid to vacate the property when they use them. Or if they are just sure people would be stupid and use them wrong (in attached housing, or coming back home too soon) they should at least register professionals to use this inexpensive effective solution for people. So there's lots of things the gov't could do by getting out of the way. I wish they would do somethings, because you're right homeowners are responsible for eradication, but with the only tools that are available the job is very difficult and sometimes not possible.

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    Bed bugs refer to their regional meetings as conclaves and local ones as sleep overs.
    Scott huh? He's no Jeff White but an inrestin use of media but I kept thinkin da sound track shoulda been "Strangers in the Night" No disrespect!

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    BarelyLiving2 - 6 hours ago  » 
    ...cure that was cheap widely used and widely available in the 30's and 40's (sulphur candles)...

    Wow, could you elaborate on that if you have info about it? Maybe I'll just Google «sulphur [sulfur] candles» but would like to hear what you know about it. Sounds draconian to say the least. In high school chemistry class did you ever get a whiff of SO2 – sulfur dioxide. Would make bb's seem positively agreeable by comparison.

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    Hey Guys,

    I agree there's been a minimum effort towards developing a National Bed Bug public awareness and knowledge program. Sadly, the public seems to be steadily moving in the wrong direction. Think about it, the majority of the current public awareness and knowledge is coming from local newspapers, online ads, and T.V. news stations. Hell, most of them tend to share their own opinionated misleading comments, focusing primarily on only their personal self indulging benefits. Sadly, this will continue to happen, polluting the minds of desperate individuals who are starving for any quick inexpensive fix for Bed Bugs. Meantime, Bed Bugs continue to strengthen in their numbers and spread through out the world day by day. Look guy's, the only cure right now for Bed Bugs is your own will to EDUCATE and PREPARE yourself not to contract and/or spread these parasites. If you are currently having issues, then start preparing for a territorial war! In every war, there has to be a strategical battle plan. Know your enemy, find their weaknesses, and you must have the leadership of a great General. They have many PCO(Generals) that have no experience on the elimination and battles of bed bugs, but then there's Generals that have developed great bed bug battle plans through years of experience, showing superior leadership and many victories. So in conclusion, please watch out for the Benedict Arnold's of this world, and start realizing this is your personal war, and it's your war to lose.

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    jrbtnyc, yeah, you have to vacate the property for, I think, a whole day, maybe 12 hrs while you do it. It has to be done in good weather so you can ventilate at the end. You cannot do it in attached housing (apts, condos, coops, etc.) because the fumes would go into other units. You have to set up a tub of water underneath where it is burning, so it won't catch your house on fire while you're gone. And it tarnishes metal, I've been trying to find out what that would do to electronic equipment. But it was VERY common before DDT. So people had to be educated responsible adults-- probably wouldn't work now, right. W/ today's moron culture someone would burn the candle and go in the other room to watch tv. Then their survivors would sue the candle company.

    But anyway, there's a discussion about it one of the front pages (General Treatment, I think) of bedbugresource, with Sean saying, of course, "Don't do it, it's very dangerous."

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    You read documents from the '20s and 30s and will find many an ungodly hazardous remedy.

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    All good ideas, great discussion. I don't really know what they government should do, or how. But I think both governments and health industries should ban the word "nuisance" from their vocabulary. Also, I would like to see a shift away from the recycling that has been all the rage for the last 20 years. Burn it all, I say. It would also boost our economy, if people had to buy everything new.

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    Jim,
    I've corresponded with a guy who burns sulphur every time he goes to his summer place, to this day for spiders, etc.. From pest control literature I've discovered that it works against all stages. And a little sulphur dust around would be infinitely more healthy than all these pesticides that people have to spray and spray and spray. And how about-- better than wrecking a family's financial future because of the huge amounts of money necessary to fight these things ($16,000 for my family-- who has that kind of money to flush down the toilet?) If a professional could be trained to do this for people so you wouldn't have to worry about reading challenged people not following precautions-- you have a solution for single family homes where the raw materials are less than $20. It's a really good solution, that's why the candles are illegal I'm sure.

    They have to give us something or we're going to see more of the desperation that causes the suicides and the serious misapplication of outdoor chemicals, etc.

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    so unsettling - 17 minutes ago  » 
    Also, I would like to see a shift away from the recycling that has been all the rage for the last 20 years. Burn it all, I say. It would also boost our economy, if people had to buy everything new.

    I wish everyone could afford that however they can not and anyway you can get it from new stuff too if someone who has them is looking at something in the store and they rub off or climb off so probably not the most effective thing. My opinion is that the government needs to step up and do something to eradicate these bugs again.

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    Here in NYC bed bugs are considered a “health hazard”. Landlords are obligated to eradicate them from their property. They can be fined, summonsed etc.

    There is little recourse though for the individual homeowner scraping by.

    PCOS charge an arm and a leg, which deters the average person from calling them first. Trying and failing home remedies allowing the problem to grow.

    it would be nice if homeowners insurance covered some or all of the eradication costs.


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