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I don't have bedbugs but a friend of mine does so I'm paranoid and have been doing lots of research. Newly invented is this product, a handheld detector. I called the inventor today and asked him more about it. They're in production right now and will come out with the device within 8 weeks. It also detects eggs, so it's good for traveling.
During this conversation, he told me he has learned a lot during this process, including the fact that 85% of the info on the Internet is accurate. One myth he mentioned was that bedbugs only come out in the early morning. They can come out anytime to feed they like, even 10am.
Anyways, just an interesting fact.
Here's the URL for the news article.http://www.starnewsonline.com/article/20110119/ARTICLES/110119590/-1/news06?p=all&tc=pgall
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This was brought up here a few weeks back. http://bedbugger.com/forum/topic/bedbug-detection-product There was some concern, as there was a similar story of a hand-held bomb detection device that turned out to be an empty plastic shell, with people getting hurt and fraud charges filed. http://bedbugger.com/forum/topic/technology-an-electronic-super-nose
The newspaper article you posted is dated January 19 and this device is due to be out in six to eight weeks. Six weeks is tomorrow and eight weeks is March 24, so we should be getting a look at this device real soon.
Meanwhile, if you're concerned about bed bugs or want to learn more, this site has an excellent FAQ and a Resource page, with publications from universities and public health professionals. If there's one guide to read about bed bugs in the USA, my current personal favorite is the "State of Michigan Guide". http://www.michigan.gov/documents/emergingdiseases/Bed_Bug_Manual_v1_full_reduce_326605_7.pdf
And of course, there's this forum, whose participants include people fighting bed bugs, people who've beat bed bugs, inventors of bed bug fighting tools, entomologists and professional exterminators.
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Tue Mar 1 2011 23:55:45
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Anyone wanna bet he will never provide one to an independent entomologist and or PCO to test?
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Well I was intrigued and so I clicked on the link. I was skeptical but it does sound like it could work IF it really can detect what he says it can. But I wonder, if it does do what he claims, how long would it take to go over an entire hotel room to "check" it. Would it detect a single bed bug? If this actually works (and it would be fantastic if it does), just imagine how we could use this. You could have one built into the doorway of your home, and it could screen your guests! You could pass one over your body after you sat in a restaurant, movie theater, bus, taxi, plane etc. It would be definitely a lot quicker than having to packtite everything after a trip.
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spideyjg - 8 hours ago »
Anyone wanna bet he will never provide one to an independent entomologist and or PCO to test?
JimFor the record I have been waiting for just that for about 8 months and am yet to receive an explanation as to how it can distinguish between the CO2 produced at low levels by bedbugs and the CO2 produced at low levels by any other creature. I also know I am not alone in that thought.
If this one turns out to be another empty box bomb detector I vote we collect samples and send the blood sucking parasite a few friends. I do get annoyed when a new Johnie come lately tries to jump on the bus with a new flavor of snake oil.
It is feasible to make an electronic nose for bedbugs but the detector would need to be based on a GC/MS (Gas Chromatography Mass Spectrometer) and if you had not already guess they are not check and certainly not hand held. The only other feasible option is to use trained wasps but its not all that cost effective as the wasps only last a few weeks and need training.
I hope that shines a light on a few of the issues but as others have said this is a subject that has been discussed before.
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@David. Goggins' detector purportedly detects not CO2 exhaust, but "two kinds of pheromones" emitted by BB. As the unit is allegedly in production, and should hit the market 6-8 weeks from Jan 19, it should not be long before someone tests it, right?
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I believe that we will indeed develop an electronic nose that can detect a single bed bug, but currently that kind of machine will cost roughly 1/4 of a million dollars... It will not be battery powered and it will be the size of a hot dog cart.
We are working hard on this problem for use in the detection of bombs and biological weapons... This same technology will eventually produce an electronic nose that can match the sensitivity of dogs nose, but I can assure you that it will not be an affordable reliable battery powered device that fits in your pocket... False positive and false negative alerts will likely be common as well.
We will see a number of electronic nose devices come and go in the market before we see anything that is really useful.
I suspect that this device will be like the radar jamming devices that you see advertised in the back of car magazines for $300 - 400 dollars... (Rocky Mountain Radar passive jammers, for example -Not actual radar detectors like Escort, Bel, V-1 or Cobra) ... Radar jammers don't work... They are not even designed to work... The RMR company has scammed the American public for millions of dollars for decades... A former cop named Radar Roy has a standing offer of $50,000 dollars for anyone that prove that a passive jammer will work, but the device continues to be touted in RMRs advertising as an effective device and the scam continues... http://www.radarjammer.com/
I would be happy to test the electronic bed bug detector vs the performance of a BedBugDog on camera or live in an exhibit hall under realistic test conditions here in eight weeks when the device is released... if anyone wants to see a comparison of dog vs machine under real life conditions.
I am betting my career on the the fact that it will be some time before we identify a portable real time bed bug detection system that even comes anywhere close to the affordability, sensitivity, portability or reliability of a properly handled K9 team.
On the other hand... Does anyone know what the starting salary might be for a good wasp wrangler that always performs a visual confirmation on his alerts?
I am a lot more anxious about the practical applications of wasps than the electronic nose that is being hyped in that press release... This device has been hyped on their website for some time now... Their current device which is actually a CO2 detector that was developed for finding termite nests is worthless for bed bug detection.
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Wed Mar 2 2011 10:43:50
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Cilecto - regardless of what it's detecting, there's only going to be tiny amounts in most rooms so surely the same reservations apply to how it's going to detect anything?
There are handheld devices for fire investigators who suspect that accelerants may have been used, but even with the far larger volume of volatile trace they'd be looking for, they still have to take the device to what seems to be the source of the fire - they can't just wave it about & be led to the fire source.
One other thing that concerns me about this box - I can't find a patent filing. No patent = no explanation of principle; no explanation of principle = magic. Anyone able to point me to a filing? I'd dearly love to see it & if the box is as good as he says, surely he'd want to patent it?
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Nobugshere,
Thanks for posting the link for the article about Goggins and the Bedbug Detective.
My comments about the re-named termite device referred to the $1358 device from the Oak Island inventor of the TDS.
First time that I have heard of the $200 dollar device... I wonder if he could make one of the Detectives detect bombs or chemical agents... That would save Homeland Security a ton of money... TSA spent $500,000 dollars a piece for phone booth sized MS GC device that never found a real bomb... These booths are now being replaced with electronic strip search imaging machines because the MS GC devices proved to be ineffective under real world conditions.
One of our bomb dog handlers inadvertently wore C4 scented boots and was selected for advanced screening at an airport... The machine failed to detect explosive materials on his boots that our explosive dogs continued to detect for weeks.
I am mean no disrespect to Mr. Goggins, but I'll believe it when I see it... A reliable $200 dollars "Walkaman sized" device just sounds a little too good to be true.
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Chris Goggin's patents and applications can be looked up here. Understanding them is beyond my expertise.
http://www.google.com/patents?q=Christopher+M.+Goggin&btnG=Search+Patents&output=html_text -
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nobugshere - 18 hours ago »
I don't have bedbugs but a friend of mine does so I'm paranoid and have been doing lots of research. Newly invented is this product, a handheld detector. I called the inventor today and asked him more about it.HI nobugshere,
Do you stand to benefit in any way from the production or sales or advertising or other promotion of this product?
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David, are you serious or joking about the wasps? For the record, I am terrified of wasps. Cruel irony that wasps might end up being the arsenal in a serious fight to abolish bed bugs. And here I believed for as long as I can remember that the only good wasp, was a dead wasp (well, at least within a mile of me!)
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Thu Mar 3 2011 2:41:28
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MyWorstFear,
Here's a recent article from the NY Times, A Swarm of Wasps, if Not Investors.
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Thu Mar 3 2011 7:59:57
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And rats (in this video, trained to detect explosives, but can detect anything). Via TEDTalks:
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Thanks so much for the link, Nobugs, and Cilecto for the video. Very impressive.
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Wed Mar 16 2011 13:52:39
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The paper on 1/19 said that Goggin's device should be on the market in 6 to 8 weeks.
http://www.starnewsonline.com/article/20110119/ARTICLES/110119590/-1/news06?p=all&tc=pgallToday is 8 weeks, so the device must be around, somewhere.
Meanwhile, here's a link to YouTube with several videos publicizing the device
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If I were trying to do this, I would be looking at biotech rather than gas chromatography. These are compounds that the bugs use to communicate and aggregate: they have to be able to smell each other, so the compound has to be detectable at low enough concentrations that the bugs can find each other. So there has to be a molecule in the bug that can bind and respond to it. That would potentially be cheap and handheld.
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Independent testing is a must, we sent our packtite and bed bug beacon to numerous experts and received helpful input and gained credibility in being willing to do so. Customer reviews are great and we always welcome them, but i would not rely solely on good customer reviews when buying a new bed bug control product. The general public doesn't have the experience of what bed bugs are capable of and what hidden problems may exist and a lot of ideas look good on paper until you actually build the thing and introduce it to bed bugs for the first time. One of these days I'll compile a list of the ideas we had that became dumb instantly when we put real bed bugs in the picture. If this new handheld works, it should work when tested by the usual suspects in the bed bug researcher community. I think Mr. Cain raises an interesting question, what about the other insects in the room?
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Bed bugs can distinguish between their own aggregation pheromones and whatever might be produced by other insects. If this thing is for real (which I doubt), it would presumably be looking for cis-2-octenal or cis-2-hexenal.
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David James,
I got this video from the link Ci provided:
[+] Embed the video Get the Flash Videos It shows the device alerting to bed bugs and not to roaches.
The interface of the electric schnoz has a lovely retro vibe, to my eyes. (The square letters spelling out "Sniffing!") I like the antenna, also.
However, aesthetics aside, I agree with you 100% about the device being tested by independent entomologists. Firms may hire an independent entomologist who specializes in bed bugs to test the device, or they may simply send it out to people like David Cain and others.
Until we see some reports from independent sources about this product working as described in the video, I would not spend any money on it.
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From the video it looks like you have to get pretty close for the device to work with the bed bug the sensor almost touched it. Would it work if it was held even just above the container? If you have to stick it that close to an insect to detect it, you could just look instead and once again, send it to the university folks, mr. Cain for verification
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I only wish it were so simple.
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KEY QUESTION!
If the handheld works even with the limitation that you have to hold it quite close, could it be usable to check people coming to work including their briefcases etc..
If so, and if any layperson such as building security people can use the device with light training, this could be fabulous as a way for employers and office buildings etc. to protect themselves from infestation because it wouldn't have all the limitations and expenses and logistical headaches required by trying to use canines for this purpose.
Compare: http://bedbugger.com/forum/topic/in-future-will-some-dogs-sniff-people-not-locations .
Furthermore, it might give the technology extra latitude because perhaps it would be sufficient if the device detects *any* insects, in other words the device wouldn't have to be guaranteed to be bb-specific because how many people going to work have, say, cockroaches on their person or in their briefcase? And if they did, detecting those would be a bonus – not a drawback as it might be considered to be if being used to detect bb's in a home or apartment.
So, just for this particular application, the handheld bears very serious watching to see if it indeed comes to market and can do at least this technologically less-demanding, but still enormously important in the future I think, task.
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djames1921 - 31 minutes ago »
From the video it looks like you have to get pretty close for the device to work with the bed bug the sensor almost touched it. Would it work if it was held even just above the container? If you have to stick it that close to an insect to detect it, you could just look instead and once again, send it to the university folks, mr. Cain for verificationYes, this is a really good point.
If you can get that close, post a photo!
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Some of the videos claim it can be programmed to detect other insects, also that it works by sniffing pheromones, plus CO2 and methane "which BB give off a lot".
Is this a working prototype (ie, this thing works as is and is ready to manufacture) or is the unit's function "simulated" (and the real technology is still in larger scale "rough" form, if it exists beyond "concept")?
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Tomorrow is 16 weeks from the 1/19 article that projected that the device will be on the market in 6-8 weeks. Any news? Any hands-on experience?
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Here is the updated manual for the new model of the TDS
http://www.sternenvironmental.com/pdfs/Finding-Bedbugs.pdfDoug Stern usually gets new products up on his website quickly
Didn't find any new info on the Bedbug Detective... Has anyone called Mr Googin's lately?... His phone number is listed on the YouTube video.
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Stern Environmental is listing a "BBD-100" handheld bed bug detector on their website for $299. It says it can only detect bugs in enclosed areas so I was suspicious that it was that carbon dioxide detector just repackaged. Their handy dandy customer service rep didn't know what it sensed, but she had someone e-mail me back who says that this doesn't detect carbon dioxide, but "other gasses". Maybe I'll ask them to be more specific.
But anyway, they've got one on their now. It was hard to find for me, you didn't go through the bed bug monitor section (they've still got one listed as a coming attraction there). You almost have to know the name of it. I don't know if this is the one that Goggins guy came up with or not. I'd love to start hearing feedback about if this works. Maybe Mr. Stern can send one to Mr. Cain or someone to test.
Baby steps of progress, YAY!
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**their site now**
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BarelyLiving2 - 20 minutes ago »
**their site now**You can still edit the original for another 40 minutes! (One hour total.)
See over on the left where it says «History Edit». Click on Edit.
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Oops, looks like I looked back just a bit too late for your tip. But thanks, that'll be helpful in the future!
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I was the original poster for this thread. It's May and I had been planning to buy one of these in May, but when I did a google search, this forum came up instead. Wow, there is certainly a lot of discussion about this device.
So... has anyone found out any more information about it? I'm a little disappointed that it's not more promising technology based on what some people here have posted.
Please let me know if anyone finds out, because I am planning to move in a couple months, and want to remain bug-free. (Any other suggestions for moving without getting bedbugs is also appreciated.)
Thanks!
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I think the jury is still out on this one, nobugshere.
It sounds like you don't have bed bugs. Is your concern a need to test the new home for bed bugs before moving in? Or something else?
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Popular Science has awarded the Goggin device a 2011 "Invention Award". Article states that it will be on the market sometime this year.
http://www.popsci.com/gadgets/article/2011-05/2011-invention-awards-sniffing-out-bedbugsArticle describes the device's sniffing action (CO2, methane, pheromones). No indication if the invention is on the basis of a working device or for a concept.
Goggin’s electronic version uses CO2 and methane sensors, as well as a proprietary pheromone detector, to pinpoint bedbugs to within one square inch, from a distance three times as far away as a dog could. The device can also tell the bugs’ sex. The handheld unit will go on sale this year for $200. Goggin says a new model that works for a wider variety of pests, including cockroaches, ants and mice, is on the way.
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I've posted the following comment on Popular Science's 'blog:
Would you please clarify the criteria for qualifying for these awards and the judging process, particularly for the bed bug detection device?
If this device worked as described in the article, it would be a quantum leap in the fight against bed bugs, which is now quite arduous and filled with uncertainty. For example, people who are about to move to a new home but discover bed bugs in their current one, or who need to move because their current building has an intractable problem, need to determine which of their belongings is harboring even a single stray insect. Ultimately, people pay thousands of dollars for gas fumigation, abandon property or transfer bed bugs to their new home and neighbors. With a maintenance-free hand held device, not susceptible to fatigue or subtle handler biasing (as dogs can be), this becomes a less onerous issue.
Was this award given for a device that was convincingly demonstrated to expert judges to work? Or, is Popular Science going on the inventor's statement? Or, is the award for "concept"?
Can such a device be brought to market in 2011 and sold for $200? When companies with the "economies of scale" like Apple or Samsung struggle to bring to market evolutionary devices and sell them for $500, can a solo inventor pull it off and sell his for $200? And as it serves a unique and critical purpose, why price it so low? A Colorado inventor created a relatively low-tech device (the Pack-Tite) which is used to gently bake items known or suspected to harbor bed bugs (bed bugs die at around 115-125F). It sells for $300. People will pay multiples of that for a device that tells you if an item even requires treatment.
The ink is barely dry on the story of a device called the "ADE-651" explosives detector. A small hand-held device, it sold for $15,000-60,000 and was purchased by, among others, security forces in Iraq. Investigators found the item to be an empty plastic box containing a merchandise security RFID tag. British Authorities are prosecuting the producers of this device and banned its export.
Are we witnessing a breakthrough product, something useful, but limited in ability (as similar termite CO2 detectors are), or a re-hash of the ADE-651? Is this invention market-ready, or is it, like many concepts that have graced PS (which I've enjoyed all my life), just a concept?
By granting this award, you've raised expectations. Fairly soon, people will be recommending to those fighting or fearing bed bugs to "just get a bed bug detective device". Hoteliers whose guests just found bed bugs will tell this to their guests. Landlords whose tenants just found bed bugs. Workplaces. Will there be a $200 (or even $1,000) device that will solve their problem and soon?
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Well I just bought the BBD 100 and tried it out tonight. We have had no signs of BBs in almost 7 months and it found several positives on my bed! Then I realized it was finding them where I was sitting while setting it up....I scanned myself and nothing. I breathed heavily into my shirt, scanned again and there it was lighting up like a Christmas Tree. Not sure what it scans for but it seems to be something we give off. I also realized if I leaned on a spot on the bed and then scanned the spot sure enough there it was. So far I am really dissapointed, I don't feel I can trust this thing since it seems to find me as a BB.
I scanned again when I got home tonight and it didn't find anything. I didn't even touch the bed, it was the first thing I did when I walked in.
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NoBugsOnMe - are you a exterminator in NY? I would be happy to "lend" or "donate" my BBD100 to you to try and if you think it is useless discard of. I don't want to drive myself nuts scanning and freaking out that something is there when it is not really finding anything.
Let me know!
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Briarcliff. There are two devices being discussed. The TDS or it s smaller sibling are CO2 detectors. They seem to be adapted from CO2 leak detectors used to service beverage systems. There is also the Goggin device (aka Bed Bug Detective or Electronic Bed Bug Nose), which supposedly, detects pheromones. To the best of my knowledge, the Goggin device is back ordered.
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cilecto - 6 minutes ago »
Briarcliff. There are two devices being discussed. The TDS or it s smaller sibling are CO2 detectors. They seem to be adapted from CO2 leak detectors used to service beverage systems. There is also the Goggin device (aka Bed Bug Detective or Electronic Bed Bug Nose), which supposedly, detects pheromones. To the best of my knowledge, the Goggin device is back ordered.I believe it specifically said it is not a CO2 detector though and therefore will not pick up the handler. Doesn't like everything let off CO2, how is that ever useful. It could be any bug couldn't it?
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Hi briarcliffeangel,
Sorry, I am not a PCO or entomologist, so I am not a good candidate to do the testing.
If the BBD100 works by sensing CO2, then maybe this would explain why breathing into your shirt set it off? Just speculating.
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If that is true I wish it said that make sure no one has been sitting around where you will be testing because that will set it off.
I guess it was another user I'm thinking of.
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How close to the bug did the sensor have to be? You said "only one bedbug" was found on two of the buses. Isn't it possible there were some deep in the cushions, or in a hard to reach place, and the little sensor wasn't close enough to detect them?
Also, Ikari, isn't chlorpyrifos still available for home use in Thailand? Is it still being used? I've heard it is still pretty effective...
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Hi BLARGG,
Thanks for reading my post. In every situation that we found bed bugs the tip of the device needed to be within about 8 inches of the insect. Also, the device sucks in air and analyzes it so it was also able to find bed bugs in several areas where the gases had built up even though the bed bugs were about 8 - 10 inches away. True, some bed bugs were deep in the crevices of the seats but the seats facilitated an adequate amount of space to be able to find the insects. I have been in many types of buses, in Thailand and in various other countries and most of the seat cushions that I have seen do not have deep enough crevices to where this device would not work properly.
Yes, chlorpyrifos is still being used in Thailand and thankfully it has become more regulated because of misuse. As you probably know, this type of pesticide should never be used in the home but unfortunately we have had some tragic situations here with it's misuse in homes and most recently in hotels. -
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Until I see rigorous independent test data on this gizmo, I'm afraid I won't have any confidence in it.
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Ikari Trading Co. - 1 hour ago »
Hi BLARGG,
Thanks for reading my post. In every situation that we found bed bugs the tip of the device needed to be within about 8 inches of the insect. Also, the device sucks in air and analyzes it so it was also able to find bed bugs in several areas where the gases had built up even though the bed bugs were about 8 - 10 inches away. True, some bed bugs were deep in the crevices of the seats but the seats facilitated an adequate amount of space to be able to find the insects. I have been in many types of buses, in Thailand and in various other countries and most of the seat cushions that I have seen do not have deep enough crevices to where this device would not work properly.Imari Trading Co.,
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Ikari Trading Co. - 1 hour ago »
Hi BLARGG,
Yes, chlorpyrifos is still being used in Thailand and thankfully it has become more regulated because of misuse. As you probably know, this type of pesticide should never be used in the home but unfortunately we have had some tragic situations here with it's misuse in homes and most recently in hotels.Misuse, precisely. That's why it is becoming banned. You'll find varying opinions on this, but I believe, through experience years ago (before the ban), that proper home application of this chemical is safe. Dumb people ruined that for us.
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I bought the BD 100 recently (did full review in an earlier post), and although the website and the instructions say it will not detect a bug out in the open, it actually does. We were using it last night inspecting the room where we slept after our initial panic as we found a bug in there a week or so ago and have been vacuuming/Rest Easy spraying/DEing ever since. The detector tripped off and we found a nymph where it alerted. Since it was small, we used a magnifying glass to confirm. Holding the detector nozzle to it while it was in my hand still kept tripping it. Odd, since it's supposed to work from the buildup of CO2 in an enclosed area, not in the open.
It has some merit as it also hits on the baseboard areas where we found the initial harborages. I'm sure they're still there and we just drove them back behind the baseboards with our initial Rest Easy hit and then abandoning the room.
I'm pretty sure some of the alerts are false positives too although who knows. It keeps going off on one spot under my couch, although I've sprayed the heck out of it and dusted DE all around. Even if the bug(s) lived, surely they'd abandon that particular spot for somewhere more hospitable like another spot on the couch or in the loveseat. I see nothing on manual inspection but don't trust that 100 percent because the couch is built as a bug haven.
I wish the PCO we had out for our initial inspection had one of these. He found nothing and didn't really believe we were infested until we showed him a removed/bagged item outside. After he left, we found one in the seam of the bed. I think the detector would have pegged it since it pegged the nymph in the futon mattress that I mentioned above.
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