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Giving Up. I've had it.
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paulaw0919
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Okay. Had four treatments single family home. Last treatment was one week ago yesterday. I make every effort to vaccuum as much as possible. I can usually get the whole house done twice a week. I launder like crazy. My mother bought frm QVC and sent up a gift for my oldest daughter. It's a computer game for the TV. Well, I'm checking around the entertainment center and what to I find.... a very small bug that is paper thin reddish brown in color. I just mailed out some samples to Lou (again) and now I'm sending this one too. I would bet my life that this is one. It was alive, moving but slow. WIth the size of these things I feel it's impossible to rid them 100%. I think we'll just start packing our keepsakes in Ziplocks, store them in storage for two years and trash the rest. What really kills me is that I think I found a cast skin in the van two days ago. Because we have now 4 covers on our mattress we decided to get a new onethat is being delivered tomorrow. We plan on checking the bag that it comes in to be sure it's sealed completely, then putting it in the bug proof ones that we bought on line. I'm wrapping and duct taping the wood frame that we have chucking it. When I was at the mattress store I saw the same F@$%# cast skin on the floor that was in my van inly slightly wider and a bit lighter in color. I would rather start over now than when the kids are in school and have much more to lose. I don't know what else to do...
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paulaw0919
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Fri Aug 3 2007 11:11:05
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Maybe we can gut the house of everything we have, put pictures in the attic in plastic, rip up the carpet, finish the HW floors and treat again a few times....I need to rid these. Cannot sell otherwise.
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Fri Aug 3 2007 11:17:44
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paulaw0919.
It is common to see live or dead bugs after you spray. Unless the spray hits them directly they will not be an immediate kill. I did not seal everything I just found that impossible to do. I wanted them to come out to get me so that they will cross the chemicals.
Don't freak about the finding in van and tv. These bugs could be anywhere.
You may have more or you may have no more left, hard to tell.
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Fri Aug 3 2007 11:30:21
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Thanks for the encouragement. It's just soo hard. How can I possibly Vacuum every otherday... I'm by myself with three kids under 3 years old. They need time more than anything. At this point $$$ is very very low. I don't know if we should get the floors done before another treatment or schedule for next week.. that would make 5 treatments if we do that. I'm just soo worried. The kids need to get out of here. But I think the van still has them even after steaming and two treatments with Bedlam. The more I go in there the more chance I have bringing them into the house. It's only a little over a year old. I thought about trading it in but then if they aren't gone from the house then we'll just infect the new van..What the hell is a person to do...
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Fri Aug 3 2007 11:44:57
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First of all be concerned but do not drive yourself crazy. You have to keep some sanity for your kids sake. You are doing the best you can and in my opinion you are doing well.
Do not vacuum everyday if you are not able to, vacuum when you can.
It is normal to feel as you are feeling in these circumstances. Try hard not to let your mind get too carried away this will make you freak out. -
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Fri Aug 3 2007 11:45:37
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Oh.
Did you use DE yet?
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paulaw0919
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Fri Aug 3 2007 12:53:15
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The PCO used it onthe first two treatments. We purchaced some and did every out let and light switch in the house. I even puffed some on the concrete walls in our garage since that is below our bedroom. But on the last treatment they treated the garage with Demand CS.
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Fri Aug 3 2007 13:23:18
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I feel for you. Don't blame yourself if you launder, and vacuum, and throw things out and you still have bedbugs. It is not what you are doing or not doing. Don't blame yourself. You are treating with a PCO and doing all the steps you can.
As a vacuuming aside, there was some question at the First International Bedbug Conference about the efficacy of vacuuming in home treatment of bedbugs. They felt that home vaccums would not be strong enough to remove the eggs (and having seen bedbug eggs and the glue used to stick them to things, I'd agree). If you are not seeing bedbugs when you vacuum, what are you vacuuming up? Also, there are some pesticides, like DE and pesticides mixed with silica I think it is (it sparkles when it's on my floor) that you are not supposed to vacuum. So I was just trying to give you a possible respite from vacuuming (unless your PCO told you to, of course). There are people here who swear by it, so I am not advising people to vacuum or not vacuum, just offering some hope for the vacuum-weary.
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paulaw0919
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I know this much. I vacuum as much as I can and when possible like on the weekends my husband helps move furniture (kids beds, dressers etc.. our dressers all upolstered items are gone including all stuffed animals and all fabric toys, all but a books but about 10-15 for the kids) I was told I could vacuum. By reading here and on line wsa under the impression to vacuum very well by along the edges of the carpet. SO that;s what I do. I'm sure all the DE is probably gone by now. the PCO says no, it's lightly under the carpet in that we cannot see...I'm tempted to rip up the carpet and sand the HW flooring underneath but I was told by the PCO that would remove the treatment and is not recommended.
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Fri Aug 3 2007 14:16:00
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I would not sand at least not as of yet.
Give time to the chemicals and all of your work to work.
I think vacuuming will help. Does that get all eggs I don't know.
I was able to pick up eggs off of wood with 3M blue painters tape without a problem,
maybe the eggs were aged maybe not. -
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Hi Paula ... This is what I did/do--it may help I don't see how it can hurt:
You are all vacuumed out!This may be a good course for you to take personally--I don't know. It is a broad based suggestion, for me to say that it is always better to try many tactics, as in, rotational--with the PCO's guidance and permission. The last part is important and so, I'm not just throwing it in ....
Some POC's will not treat if you don't let them do it by their own methods only. They have good reasons for that. They may offer some other advice--if so follow that!
If you did this and stretch it out for a full month--you'd likely harm more Bed bugs and their eggs and the hatchlings:
(On the one hand just spraying contact kills all over is not going to help--but you don't always have to actually see the bug to spray it. That is a myth. It just has t make decent contact. So ... if you know the bugs tend to hang-out--often in corners and base-boards and floor-boards ... then hot soap and water will/may help too. (That--I'd reserve as the first measure in the SUGGESTION BELOW--AND ... watch for mold and mildew:1--hot soap and water ... towel dry and let dry .. watch for mold ie use some lysol ...
2--in a day or two steam close and well.
Again watch out for mold and mildew ...3--in a day or two ... contact kill ....
4--in a day or two--vacuum--
5--then place the DE down for a few weeks. Definitely use goggles and a mask and follow all diretions on the label.--Get all kids and pets out and close all the windows first. Let the De settle or YOU CAN JUST use a medium sized paint or blush-brush or puff it on low and slow.
Something similar to be done in the car maybe? Can you go a few weeks without driving the car? If so--in this hot weather and with DE on the floor--they will be more likely to dry out over time and die. it is the hatched eggs that'll get you.
As always--only a suggestion for you alone--and not for everyone. If you choose to follow it, be safe rather than sorry!
DE is not that great around kids. I myself find it irritating to my skin. It often makes me feel little pricks not related to DP or formication.Best
Willow
PS--any toys i.e. stuffed toys that can go into a pre-heated hot drier can and should. Some parents in the past then isolated certain toys in a baggie. That sounded sane to me. Not normal--but sane, time saving, and well ... watch for suffocation issues with very small kids. I'd not do it for a child under 4 or 5 personally. this is your decision to make. Only advice to help reduce the work-load, if ... you think it will help -
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De in the van only onthe floor is an option. Scarey cuz of hte kids (1yr old twins and almost 3yr old) I cna try to De areound the tv and toss the speakers. Only thing is is I can't keep the kids away from the tv. As for toys...all stuffed toys are gone. ONly plastic is left (my poor twins..) I sprayed them down a few times with kleenfree but cannpt bag them cuz then they have nothing... This has been going on since mid May.. I guess I can try for another treatment???
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Fri Aug 3 2007 14:49:07
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paula, I would only get rid of the carpets and sand the floors if you would rather have hardwood floors in your house than carpets. And even then, I'd wait until the PCO thinks the treatments have had adequate time to work. While vacuuming weekly is kind of a normal vacuuming schedule and makes some sense, vacuuming every other day seems like a lot.
Can you not launder the stuffed animals and plush toys? I thought a lot of these were washable - kids are often messy, after all! I don't think you need to take all the toys away - just try to keep them clean, as you have been doing.
Are you still getting bitten or have you been able to get the beds isolated OK?
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paulaw0919
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Buggeroff, Thanks. There are only two care bears left. My daughter cannot sleep/live without them. I wash ans dry on high heat once/twice a week. Last night I threw them in the dryer for about a 1/2hr just because... I need to be careful on how much I wahs them cuz I beheaded one about a month ago.....It was hard to come clean on that one with her.
Hard to tell on the bites...I think I got a few under my armpit..looked like pimples from shaving. But htey were gone in two days. I may have one on my face. Feels like an ingrown cyst but was irritated a night. Kids have nothing three in a row, nor I except the armpit thing. I did get what may be three small bumps on my belly, again gone in two days. When I was attacked by these thing in May I had over 70-100 bites on me within a weeks time if I remember correctly. Some very large and some small but all itched like mad and some actually hurt. I don't know for sure is the answer. Maybe nothing or could be from nymphs... it would make sense that their bite would have less effect do to size alone. I do feel itchy all the tim though...I don't have our bed isolated anymore..jsut pulled out about 5-6 inches from the wall. If they are here I want to know about it! If it gets bad then I'll DE the frame again.... -
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I believe my infestation was pretty bad. They said moderate-mils scatteration. I had them everywhere in the house. I know the bedroom was hit pretty bad. I'm sure I was getting bit for a whilw w/o knowing about them. After I flipped my mattress...about a week later...BOOOM... I also came home from the hospital (for dehydration) after being there for three days....about 2-3 weeks later is also when BOOM happened..
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As for isolation, the bed is away from the wall and no covers touch the floor and/or frame. I hope that's it. We had DE in the frame and taht helped but had to vacuum before the last treatment. New mattress is set for tomorrow. I have the bedbug proof covers on hand. Then if another treatmnt is done I will put DE again on the new plain metal frame that the new bed will be on. I took a nice long hot bath tonight. When I got out of hte shower and toweled off I noticed what looked like three bites on one side of my wait and one bite on the other side. They were itchy but small, raised puffy and red around the bump. Now, an 1.5 hrs later it's all gone. Could it be bites??
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Paula...Its so very hard to tell you or anyone that it could be bites. Itching is a sign...the pattern is a sign and as a "general' rule they go for softer areas....but they will bite any accessible area. You are really being put thru an awful ordeal. I came upon a quote online, an old Arabic quote that said "crying babies and bed bugs are insupportable"....and you have both ......It sounds like your infestation has gotten much better. I am probably the only one here who would say that if you could afford it, I would rip up the carpets and have the floors sanded and polyurethaned. Since bed bugs I don't like any carpet on the floor. However with babies it serves a "padding" purpose....Only you can make the call. Did your PCO recommend getting your carpets Steam Cleaned? I know he treated so this may not be a good idea just yet, but I would ask them when the residual wears away, and I would consider calling in a good carpet cleaning company....ONLY someone with high recommendations, and someone who uses "dry steam"...Its just a possiblity...Then I would treat again and use the de around the baseboards...What kind of window treatments do you have ??? I think that by nature bed bugs like to go into fabrics....Also, do you have any wallpaper in your home? As for your Van..this is a problem....I believe that bed bugs were in my car, but I didn't have any little kids so I bombarded it with chemicals and let it sit in the hot sun for a month while my husband and I shared his car....I would just keep in in the hot sunlite closed up, whenever possible, and use KleenFree or Bedlam in it....As long as you keep battling them, you will win......It sounds as though you have come a long way already..Please don't give up....
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Trying not to. My husband has had it with me though at times. This morning is one of them.... I'm thinking of trading the van in for it's only a little over a year old. But then if we do still have bugs then I'm chancing insfesting the new one.
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Hey, Paula, I'm sorry you are feeling this way.
Don't give up. How can you sell the house or trade your van or do any of that and possibly infest other people? You will not feel good about it and it will weigh on you. Also, I can't even imagine the financial impact.
You are in a single-family home, do you realize how many of us salivate for such a happy circumstance? It is the best possible scenario to get rid of bedbugs. You haven't gotten rid of them yet because you had inadequate treatments the first few times. Having to switch PCO firms always causes a delay and further aggravation. You had to start over, basically. And, when you did, there was a 3 or 4 week gap, was there not? Also, sometimes but not always, things get a little worse before they steady and then get better.
Hang in there, because you can do this, I am certain of it. The main thing is to have the best possible treatments at 2-week intervals.
I would get rid of the carpeting, or at least steam clean it, before I considered selling the house.
Don't give up!
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Also, if you are worried about Gentrol, discuss it with your PCO and ask whether it is best to not use it anymore! Gentrol is not essential to eradication, I say this because a lot of PCOs no longer use it. It's an adjunct. It may work, or it may not. There was one study that suggested it did not.
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Yes, I know. I can't sell the house. Not now anyway. We just replaced teh mattress and box spring today. I rid the headboard and foot board. Before the mattress entered the house we put the bug proof covers on and now we just have the metal frame. I'm wondering if I should DE the bed frame or not now that we have nothing on it to protect us.... My husband is pissed. Too bad. At this point, I'll rid every piece of furniture if I have too. He's mad abouthe headboard, and the kites of his that I threw out. He actually told me leave. When he cooled down I told him to bringthe bellows to his job and DE his office just in case. We'll see if he actually does it. I'm just freaked cuz I can't tell if they are bites or not... even with the kids. I did find a bug which I woud bet my life was one by the TV. I sent it to Lou. Then now I'm sure it was one cuz I found the same one under the bed when we moved the mattress out. These things are PAPER THIN and Small...I don't know how the caulking we did would even help. We need to get all the seams repaired in the walls and ceiling in the living room and dining room. Estimate was $1200. There are cracks there. One big seam is coming apart from the where the ceiling meats the wall. The guy can't start for 2-3 weeks. Last treatment I did have them spray all those areas. THe tech thought I was nuts. Because of the high ceilings in that one room I made him get on the dining table to do it. OKay do to the big production of hte matress nad vacuuming afterward, I need to keep up on laundry today, bedding, etc... plus baby threw up in his crib and we have to do that too... Husband showered and stepped out to buy more formula, milk etc. He should be a little better by then. I know this is stressful for him too.
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paula....This is stress for your whole family...I think you were perfectly correct when you have the wall cracks treated...I can't imagine why the PCO didnt' think it necessary. Is your husband handy at all?? Because you can buy a can of spackle and a spackle knife and smooth some onto those cracks...its a temporary solution...at least it would close them up..I would definitle put a lite coating of DE around the bed....the more they feed, the more they breed....so don't give them any blood if you can help it !!
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OH, the one I found under the bed was dead, the other still alive. I can't wait ot hear from Lou. I think I found a cast skin in my daughters room. I see the pics on the net, but that is totally flat. This is yellowish, round, an hard like a rock. Sound like anything?? I found another one in the van that was the same color as the bug, thiin like skin and you could see the lines that go horizonally. If that is a skin, then it's from a much bigger bbug. Maybe I'll I'm seeing is nymphs? Stage two or three? they were veyr light chesnut color andyou could almost see through them. Not as wide at the pics I've seen... Thank you to EVERYONE here..... I wouldn't last with out you all!!! I'm writing down the suggestions I get and will try to talk to husband in diciding what to do.
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paula...I wish I could say otherwise but it sounds like a cast bed bug skin to me...mine were clear yellowish and had the lines...I would send it to Lou Sorkin...maybe another bug sheds its skin and it looks like that...hope springs eternal !!
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NO kidding!! I don't think I could live through this thru the winter. Hubby is at Shoprite.. I just put DE around the bed, legs and frame. I couldn't left the mattress and box to do the middle, I just did the outer rails, legs, wheels and where tried ot get between the box pring and frame...I tried my best to do light puffs.
Now our next argument is about whether to send daughter to pre-k. He wants her to go, I wnat her to stay. I know she's ready and needs to go, but I can't contaminate the school! Especially that I think the bugs are in the van.... So muc hfor getting hte kids to the park a bit.... -
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paula...can you let your van sit in the hot sun for a few days untouched...my husband just called me and told me that a locked , closed car left sitting in the sun can reach 200 degrees...he read something in reference to leaving your pets in the car during summer...So if you could leave the van , sitting in the sun for a few days...it might be worth it...Also , did you read jimbs post about freezing...there are of course varibles but you could purchase an inexpensive small top loading freezer from Sears and use it to put stuff into..and when you are ok it will come in handy for real stuff...like food !!!
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Wow. 200 degrees. I have left it inthe sun last week for two days, withe the heat on for about two hrs each day. Then the next days when I went out ot buy a new vacuum with the kids, I saw the F^%@#%^ bug go across my son into the stroller. I Kleen Freed all the fabic, and put bedlam on the crevese by the wheels etc... where ever the kids wouldn't touch. It's been in the van since.
Question. Having a 2000 sq ft home... And lets say that the bug is in the TV center or downstairs in the family room (which is never used anymore...poor kids. itw was a play area) does one think it would go dormant and not move because it's 100's of feet from the sleeping area?? Thanks for info on the van. I have also told my husband to always park in the sun at his job. I'm praying for very very hot weather. Ya know, last summer was much hotter and I was 9 months pregnant on the couch all summer...why couldn't it be like that now??? -
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OH, before i showered I puffed DE in both cars on the floor area, but it did make alot of dust in the air... hope that's okay. No hubby isn't handy..not inthat way at least. We do have a ladder and I will try tonight to spackle what we can. I know I won't be able to reach the ceiling or due much able the one large split seam but I'll try to put DE in there....
I figure, I can't move right now and if I don't keep at it the bugs will grow and the bites will be a horror story again. At least we can afford maybe another treatment and see what else we can do.. until I don't know what after that...we'll just see. -
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I don't know about 200 degrees - maybe in Phoenix and places like that where daytime temps hit 115 and 120F. But I do know that when it's 97 or 98 degrees, if I park my Subaru in the sun, interior temps hit between 130 and 140F - measured with a candy thermometer. Never saw anything over 140F. A black car, one with a black interior, or one with larger windows might get hotter.
About the cracks in the wall, this one mystifies me. A one-gallon tub of joint compound costs about $10 and ANYBODY can seal up a crack in drywall just using their hands and a sponge (though a putty knife helps). It's non-toxic, no nasty smell, cleans up with water, dries in a couple of hours, looks nice and it's bug proof - why not go ahead and fix this? The big one you mention might require taping, but this is slso not complicated to do.
Would a bug head off on a long hike or just go dormant if it were stranded in the basement? No clue. My impression, based on where I think my bugs came from, is that they'll start walking, but I don't know how far they'd get before the expenditure of energy depleted all their reserves. I also don't know if they'll just wander aimlessly or do they only react to someone's CO2 or body heat.
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The reason why I aske is because they were found in every room in the house...including downstairs. We aren't down there as much, I try not to put the kids down there if I could help it. We have an office room that Hubby works from once a week, laundry room, garage nad family room. I just know there's alot more activity up here... but who's to say how long it will take for a bug that's down there to come up here... I did have them treat the entie house all 4 times.
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Your situation sounds so similar to mine. I live in a single family house in France and I have four kids (oldest is 5). I get so tired, I don't think I can keep up this battle. I have been fighting the bugs since May but I haven't been able to get a pco yet. Long story but first I had to convince my husband we actually needed one, then I have to keep bugging him to find one since we live in France and he is the french speaker. I have been throwing things away like crazy and we hardly own anything since we moved here with nothing but clothes one year ago. I have seen what I assume are bedbug nymphs in every room in my house and I find it so overwhelming. I was losing my sanity for a while trying to vacuum, yelling at my kids constantly because they decided to use their blanket as a superman cape or something. There are 6 of us and we generate a ton of laundry and the whole bagging thing in itself is exhausting. Right now this is what I'm attempting to do:
I vacuum the entire house twice a week (I first go around all the floorboards, sockets and doors with the attachement).I spray down the floor boards and beds with alcohol twice a week.
I do laundry..all day...every day.
My husband hasn't been helping at all but he did take us all away for the weekend which was wonderful but now I'm back home with all the laundry from our trip piled up and vacuuming our two-story house before me and I feel like crying...
I haven't been able to find bug proof mattress covers here or anything like kleen free so I just hope that I'm not damaging my kids with alcohol. I haven't seen any bedbugs larger than a first stage nymph in two weeks and there have been very few bites. I think I'm keeping them under control but I want them gone...
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crazy....I think I made some recommendations to you...not sure..but why don't you try and find a pet store or a veteranarian...and get your hands on some DE...its cheap...just make sure its food grade..you can put it into a sock and hit it around the edges of floors...etc....Also maybe they sell an enzyme based cleaner...also anything with d limonene in it kills them, ( on contact ) this is like a citrus cleaner....I am so sorry that your husband is not supportive..this has to make thing worst..I see that you have 6, which means 4 chlldren?? A lot of work....There is a woman who started a Blog in French, in Montreal....This might be good to show your husband...also maybe she knows of products in France....I would definitely be searching out for products in Pet Stores...And I would maybe go to a hardware store and or fabric store and look for material that you could wrap your mattresses in....Are you and/or your children getting bites ???? Why can't you find an exterminator????? Does your husband not want one??? Keep posting here..in the very least we here can be of emotional support...Deb PS ..PLEASE look for the DE...Can you phone David Cain in London????
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crazy wrote: I have seen what I assume are bedbug nymphs
It sounds like you don't know for sure what you have. It would be worth getting a sample identified so you know what you're up against.
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Hi buggeroff, I had bedbugs, or as so the PCO said. They never did an inspection before the treatment. I was told I had mild-to moderate scatteration.... whatever that is. After 4 treatments, the last two not done every 10-14 days...We are still getting bit here and there...Now can't find a bug..(of course) Just sent some samples to Lou, but all came up as no bedbug...I guess that's good???
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