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There's a new giveaway on the blog end of Bedbugger.com courtesy of Bed Bugs Limited which gives those of you in the US and Canada a chance to receive a Passive+ monitor to try for 14 days, a Passive monitor to install after that (like the one being marketed currently as the BBAlert Passive), in return for specific feedback on the 14-day use of the Passive+.
Please read Giveaway: try a new Passive+ monitor and receive a Passive monitor in exchange for feedback which explains the contest in detail and tells you how to enter.
After you read the post linked above, you may discuss the contest or ask questions below, but posts below do not constitute contest entries. (The reason for this thread is that the blog comments are for entries only, one comment per person.)
Got questions? Comments? Fire away.
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Wed Jan 18 2012 2:14:06
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Because this thread alerts forum users to the contest, please feel free to bump it up occasionally if it is not terribly active. Thanks!
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Wed Jan 18 2012 13:13:06
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Just keeping this current for the daytime crowd.
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Thu Jan 19 2012 3:23:19
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Anybody have questions? I hope you'll enter the giveaway if you think you might have bed bugs right now.
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What exactly is the passive+ monitor? How does it work? Will it help with just monitoring or is it expedted to help with elimination? I keep seeing posts such as, 2012 being an "exciting year" and "it will get easier", but curious to exactly what that means without all the "vagueness" thrown in.
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bedbuganxiety - 11 minutes ago »
What exactly is the passive+ monitor?Passive+ is a new version of the Passive monitor that I developed in 2008. It is a unique harbourage monitor which induces bedbugs to defecate upon entrance allowing you to easily detect activity through telltale faecal traces. It also has properties which anchor any cast skins shed on the detection skirt through electrostatic attraction. It is called Passive+ because it also contains an organic extract which acts as a harbourage attractant to bedbugs, although they naturally wanted to live in Passive because of the materials and install locations we have noted that this new edition can help to encourage more relocation than the previous versions.
bedbuganxiety - 11 minutes ago »
How does it work?It works in the same way as the older version, you install by removing the protective backing to the adhesive and following the recommendations of where to install, normally at the head end of the bed. It does not need plugging in or replacement chemicals nor does it require any maintenance other than looking at it on either a weekly or monthly basis depending upon your risk of bedbugs. They last for 12 months and can be read from significant distances if your eyesight is good enough. I personally can detect even nymphal faecal traces from about 2 meters away and adult faecal traces from about 3 meters, this unique ability is why I was given both method and product patent protection on it as it is a truly unique invention rather than an innovation of existing technology.
In the field we have noted that on average it takes between 12 and 72 hours to get bedbugs to investigate and move into the monitor and that the defecation response is not restricted to bedbugs that have recently fed. Often upon the conclusion of a tank trial (device placed inside an enclosed arena with live bedbugs) we often place a passive in for 24 hours to see what effects we get. On all trials to date we have had clear indication overnight, in the most extreme of these cases the bedbugs had not fed in 2 months.
bedbuganxiety - 11 minutes ago »
Will it help with just monitoring or is it expedted to help with elimination?We have been using Passives in our work for for about 3 years now. Its primary function has always been for early detection, one hotel in London has been under our "protection and detection" for over 3 years now and considering 68% of the 200+ rooms were infested on day 1 and we now have them down to weekly detection of 1 or 2 cases per month we consider it a great success as do they. On many occasions we have found that the only bedbugs present were in fact located inside the Passive and females often lay eggs in there as an ideal place. This means I often receive monitors for QC which contain recently hatched unfed bedbugs. Thus when they are removed as a result of faecal traces present we have literally eliminated some infestations.
We have also used them as an adjunct to treatment itself as part of our integrated approach. As any good professional will tell you physical removal is the most efficient way of dealing with bedbugs.
The Passive+ was actually developed as an adjunct to our non chemical treatment processes which we have been developing for both commercial and domestic customers so basically we know it works in our hands and the field trial is all about seeing what results domestic customers could expect to see in using the product.
Although we don't offer thermal or commodity fumigation services we always felt they make an ideal adjunct to those services as well to help QC the treatment to ensure that all bedbugs have been eradicated and to detect any further bedbugs brought into the home.
So yes as well as early detection they do assist in treatment.
bedbuganxiety - 11 minutes ago »
I keep seeing posts such as, 2012 being an "exciting year" and "it will get easier", but curious to exactly what that means without all the "vagueness" thrown in.Passive+ is part of what we are excited about in 2012. I am sorry for added vagueness but I am sure you appreciate that just in the same way that we are held by client confidentiality as to who we are treating some of what we know is currently in development has also to remain confidential. I fully understand that this can be frustrating at times but there is sometimes a long road between an idea, testing that idea and getting it ready for consumers to be able to use even at a professional user level.
I can however assure you that when you see a hint here first you will also see the announcement here first as soon as its cleared for release. Given what we know and the results we have had in testing I am 100% certain that 2012 will have many exciting developments and that as a result of several of them dealing with bedbugs will be easier by the end of 2012 than it is at the start of the year.
Outside of products and technologies there are also other factors which are now starting to come together to make like easier for people with regards bedbugs but again I am unfortunately bound by a significant number of confidentiality agreements on some of them and until all the pieces are in place there is no point in announcing them.
I hope that helps explain.
David Cain
Bed Bugs LimitedIn accordance with the AUP and FTC I opnly declare my vested interest in the Passive and Passive+ technology as the inventor
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Thu Jan 19 2012 12:04:39
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Thanks for the information on timing, David. I'll wait to buy one when they come out because 1) you'll get better information from people with the issue and/or who've had it in larger homes and 2) there are people who probably need it more. I'm OCD but not greedy
I'll probably just get two passives for now and wait.....
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Thu Jan 19 2012 13:29:56
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Hi theyareoutthere,
Actually part of the feedback in this case is about re-leaving the stress of not knowing which is why we are not selecting just confirmed bedbug cases to take part in the trial.
Although its not my target demographic audience I actually feel helping those with out bedbugs but bedbug anxiety is a worthy cause so long as its not overly costly in the process. It also has the major advantage that should you get exposed there is a high probability that the infestation will be localised to the Passive and therefore easier to deal with.
David
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Thu Jan 19 2012 16:55:09
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David,
GREAT information! Exciting to know that new products are on their way for this year. I don't have bed bugs but have been through the "I'm getting bites, oh crap, could it be bed bugs???" anxiety a couple of times in 2011.
As for the "vagueness" comment I made, I was just giving you a hard time!! I turned 40 today and have gone from "hot blond chick who drives a red mustang" to "40 year old Mommy driving a Mommy Mobile aka minivan", so I was feeling sorry for myself and decided to have a little fun at the end of my questions. Forgive me if I offended
Again, great info and I'm looking forward to hearing what comes out next!!
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Thu Jan 19 2012 17:14:57
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BBAnxiety: I wish I could like your comment. Wait until you turn 50.
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Thu Jan 19 2012 17:52:21
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Hi bedbuganxiety,
I turn 40 in March. I traded the S Class Mercedes and job analysing biotech portfolios and pharmaceutical companies for pest control. I feel for you on the car issue but I am working towards a Caterham 7 if I can hold back on reinvesting all the profits back into new technologies.
The difference however is as I get older I seem to become more youthful in other aspects of my life. I still go partying and clubbing in fact more so than when I was 25 and climbing the corporate ladder.
I know you were just giving me a hard time but what can I say beyond good news is always worth the wait and rarely disappoints when it arrives. That might have something to do with the fact that its usually been destruction tested in the field well the good stuff has been anyway.
Don't worry I don't offend easily I have dealt with too many people in distress to do that although I sometimes fall victim of the two nations separated by a similar language syndrome and make no apologies for my use of English spelling (after all it was our language first).
David
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Thu Jan 19 2012 18:54:36
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As part of the giveaway, would it be a couple for home, one for work and one or two for cars? Or is it home only?
It probably is stated somewhere.
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Thu Jan 19 2012 19:10:42
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Hi theyareoutthere,
You can install where you want but the format is Passive+ down for 14 days and then replace it with a normal Passive and return the Passive+ to us for QC and analysis along with the feedback form and activity log provided.
Otherwise we have no data to draw conclusion from the trial.
David
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theyareoutthere - 2 hours ago »
As part of the giveaway, would it be a couple for home, one for work and one or two for cars? Or is it home only?
It probably is stated somewhere.Hi TAOT,
One Passive+ is going to each winner, with a Passive to keep when the 14 days is up.
So installing multiples might work, the contest is going to supply just one for use on your bed.
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Nobugsonme,
Thanks! That makes sense (vs my question :)).
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So, I had to look up what exactly a Caterham 7 looked like.....very nice!! And very James Bond I might add!
As for the English language, I grew up on the Mississippi Gulf Coast, then moved to Los Angeles for 3 years and have now been in Chicago for 12 years. I still have a very Southern drawl mixed in with a little valley girl slang and finished off with a lot of Italian lingo (thanks to all my beautiful Italian friends from here in Chicago!!). I can slaughter the English language in under 60 seconds on any given day and leave a participle hanging with the best of 'em.....LOL And I make no apologies either
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Sat Jan 21 2012 2:32:33
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Good to see some activity!
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Does the passive thing only go in the bedroom? Our infestation seems to be worse in the living room, but we also are afraid they might be living in one or both of our cars. It took us a while to figure out what my strange rash was, so the bedbugs had a lot of time to spread around before we called the PCO..
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Hi terrified_newbite,
Yes you could choose to install on a sofa instead of a bed.
The trial information pack details beds only but if you are successful just email me or check the other threads on the forum for install locations.
David
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David, does the new technology have the same issues with the presence of pesticides? I believe that the regular ones are sometimes avoided when one has just been treated, unless I am remembering incorrectly...
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Hi Mam417,
The answer to that is why don't know, we developed them with non-chemical treatment in mind and not yet deployed them in chemical treatment jobs.
So at current the advise can only be clear any residues off the immediate area but the install locations tend not to be over sprayed areas anyway.
David
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Thanks, David. Obvi, I'm asking because I've been treated chemically, and if I get one, I wanted to make sure that it would not skew the results. I guess we'll have to cross that bridge...etc etc...
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Hi David,
I keep meaning to ask, but forgetting.... Can I use a passive on a protect-a-bed encasement? I encased our beds (both mattress & box spring) last summer on the advise of my PCO after a bed bug scare at a resort and have kept them in place. I didn't know if the adhesive backing would damage the encasement when I went to take it off.
Thanks!
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Hi bedbuganxiety,
I cant answer that one as I will not allow encasement's in my company and even if we did start using box spring encasement's which are the only ones that add any value I can assure you it would not be the brand you have mentioned on ethical grounds.
It's something of a soap box issue with me and best we move on to a different subject.
The reality is that with passives you never need mattress encasement (not that it adds any value anyway) as any bedbugs introduced will live there first and foremost anyway.
David
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Alright, I'll ask it:
Is the Passive plus better than FMC's Verifi?
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It would be very hard to make any statements about Verifi since it has not come out yet. It needs to be subjected to testing.
To be fair, the Passive+ is also a new product. The giveaway is a trial of the device. You also would get the regular Passive which is not new and which has been widely in use, so you could implement this after the 14-day trial.
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Hi,
Bump because the draw closes soon.
Also to say as Verifi is not on the market yet we have not been able to test field efficacy so at this stage the only way we can compare is based on costs. On those grounds Passives win as being a lot more cost effective on an annual basis.
Don't forget to enter the odds at this stage are good that those who enter will be successful.
David
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Thu Jan 26 2012 17:31:49
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I would really love to use these
Do these passives have to go on your bed though?
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Thu Jan 26 2012 23:05:42
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Dre,
I think that question was addressed above by David. Scroll up!
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Thu Jan 26 2012 23:09:10
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Only 25 hours left in this giveaway.
If you think you might have bed bugs, what have you got to lose? Please enter the giveaway!
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Is this monitor the kind of thing that a cat would constantly play with?
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David is of course the authority, but I don't think this will be an issue.
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bedbuganxiety,
I have used the passive monitor on a protect-a-bed encasement successfully, carefully removing it without damaging the encasement.
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reallyfreakedout - 7 hours ago »
Is this monitor the kind of thing that a cat would constantly play with?Hi,
No, for two key reasons:
- There is nothing that should appeal to a cat or attract it
- They are installed in places where cats would not normally be able to get
Hope that helps.
David
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healthimpacted,
Thank you for your reply!! Good to know that it can be used without damage.
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Nobugsonme - 11 hours ago »
David is of course the authority, but I don't think this will be an issue.It's mostly a moot point now since David has responded but I was responding to the cat
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Nobugsonme - 35 minutes ago »
It's mostly a moot point now since David has responded but I was responding to the cat
question. Sorry I did not quote the question in my response. It was very cryptic of me.LOL, after all the years I have read your words something told me it was the cat question so at least in my case it was not cryptic.
David
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bed-bugscouk - 14 hours ago »
LOL, after all the years I have read your words something told me it was the cat question so at least in my case it was not cryptic.
DavidVulcan mind meld?
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