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petlady
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petlady - 9 hours ago »
Hello Jason,
First I want to say that I do not understand why people are always looking for someting to pick up on. You are just trying to help and I am sure you did.
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Anyways, I bought Ortho and sprayed around the house today and I hope it will work.
I will keep you updated.No offense, but I don't understand why people would join a website about bed bugs, and within one hourof joining the website, post that they had run out and followed the first piece of advice they read
That's what it looks like, anyway.
No offense taken.
Like I said I have them for a few months now. I also had bb two years ago in the app I just moved into (at that time after unsuccessful afforts of landlord and exterminator we moved out). Just because I did not join the website earlier it doesn't mean I haven't actively read it. On my own I used exterminator( I know it's not correct name), bunch of 100% guarantee sprays and powders, and I threw out bed. I also washed, vacummed and bagged all my cloths. I even bought a hand steamer. Nothing works. At this point I am desperate because I cannot live like that any more :(For my daily report I have to sadly admit I do have a few new bites. However, they are not big. Bb in all stages need blood to grow so even small bugs bite. My skin is very pale and I can see the smallest bites. So after applying I don't have any major bites but my skin is read in at least two places. Maybe I didn't spray enough, maybe because I sleep in the floor:/ Anyways I will keep trying and I let you know tomorrow. Another thing is that my boyfriend has no bites at all so he hardly believed me until he saw one.
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petlady
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Tue Oct 13 2009 13:34:28
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I know this post was chaotic. Sorry for that. It's hard to write about bb habits when shopping with grandma :)
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Jason1
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petlady - 2 hours ago »
I know this post was chaotic. Sorry for that. It's hard to write about bb habits when shopping with grandma :)Not a problem, your post was easilly readable.
These new bites may be left over from the old ones. Sometimes bites won't show up for several days after one has been bitten. It's really hard to say. They could also be new bites. For myself, once I started spraying....my bites pretty much imediately ended. But as i've said several times in this thread....results are not going to be the same for everyone. Similar results as mine have been reported on this thread, though.
By the way, you mentioned sleeping on the floor. Can you move your bed to another location in the room? That's one thing I did. Not sure of the difference it made, if any, but I did it anyway.
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don’t fell bad pet lady we all hear it they are just concerned for all our health and safety!! So if you have to spray the stuff which I Started about two weeks ago BE SAFE it is A pesticide I really know how you fell!! I have only learned that BB were Real A little over two weeks ago!! up date NO new bites and I did see two last night!! Jim please reply to your PM!! I have not sprayed in quite a few days I am really nervous about that!! considering I saw the two 2nd and 3rd stage last night!! This Crash course has really taught me a lot!! Oh yea Found A PCO to service my area!! Orkin!! They Answered all my questions with out me asking oh I did have to ask one Will my daughter be used as Live bait! She said most defiantly NOT we would never do that to an innocent child!! said the ORTHO was okay to spray BUT was A temp fix! and said I can sign a year contract!! Which I am relived about! too many critters here in the south i had to stop the lady mid sentence cause I was gettin creeped out!! they will do the whole house and will have a 12 month guarantee and is backed by anthropologist! I know I got the name right this time Spell check I love you!!ooh yea all I have to pay up front is 450.00 Christmas is Back on!! total with the 1 year long contract is $900.00 which in NY would be about 1800.00 I guess I really do love the South again!! remember We are behind the times here!! they don’t need to do a inspection They will just Start treating I think cause I told her it was already confirmed by another company!!
I know yall got some input so I would love to hear it!! anything and everything!!
OOH yea If I had to go back and do it all over again I would still use the ORTHO It really help me when I needed it!!and who knowes It may be a permant fix for some!!Just not me!! I will always keep it in my home!! locked up safe an tight that is!!
~~~so KUDOS to you Jason~~~ Thanks alot!! I would say ILOVE U but I think my hubby would get jealous!! -
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watkinsnewan - 9 minutes ago » OOH yea If I had to go back and do it all over again I would still use the ORTHO It really help me when I needed it!!and who knowes It may be a permant fix for some!!Just not me!! I will always keep it in my home!! locked up safe an tight that is!!
~~~so KUDOS to you Jason~~~ Thanks alot!! I would say ILOVE U but I think my hubby would get jealous!!LOL, you're very welcome.
Keep us updated on your progress with the PCO.
As always, the best of luck to you and your family in this bb battle!
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petlady
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Tue Oct 13 2009 18:26:33
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By the way, you mentioned sleeping on the floor. Can you move your bed to another location in the room? That's one thing I did. Not sure of the difference it made, if any, but I did it anyway.
I did moved my bed to the middle of the room and I sprayed ring around it. I hope it will work.
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watkinsnewan - 2 hours ago »
don’t fell bad pet lady we all hear it they are just concerned for all our health and safety!! So if you have to spray the stuff which I Started about two weeks ago BE SAFE it is A pesticide I really know how you fell!! I have only learned that BB were Real A little over two weeks ago!!Thanks for your support! I'll hope it will work for me too:)
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Yes I am using the US verion!! WE ALL NEED words of encourgement!! so dont get down and remember to wear gloves and Air out you dont want to cause long term problems and dont spray and smoke if you do smoke!! !!R you looking into do it your self treatment or is this A temp fix!!Never spray your bed or couch just follow directions on bottle an no where else!! what other precautions are you taking!!
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petlady
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Daily update :
Few little bites on my hands. That's what I see so far. I left early to work so I couldn't examine the rest of the body carefully. So far looks it's only on my hands (2 bites). I don't know how those little b@stards are getting to me. wrrrrrrr.......
To watkinsnewan:
Clothes are in baggs and I am streaming my bed every second day. After spraying I open windows and doors and leave the house.
This is really my last try before I'll get the whole house steamed, especially that my smart boyfriend just bought the puppy and I really don't want to harm this little baby :(
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petlady
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Sadly I found more bites on my leg and the pco gave me a price for therm - $ 2500 :(
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Jason1
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I wonder if they're new bb bites, or delayed? Like I said before, it can take several day's for new bites to appear on people. Everyone is different. Some people get them right away, some don't.
Have you tried non-thermal pco's also? It may be less $$$. Then again, it may be more....but I would definately weigh all options first.
petlady - 17 minutes ago »
Sadly I found more bites on my leg and the pco gave me a price for therm - $ 2500 :( -
petlady
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I didn't spray around bed yesterday because my boyfriend cleaned, bleached and sprayed all house before I came home. He found, behind he furniture, in all house, about 8 bbs in different staged. All dead, all fed :( My guess is that they die with the contact with Ortho after the meal. Anyways, today (without the ring around the bed, but everywhere else) no major bites. You can call me crazy but I circled all bites with maker onmy body so I know for sure which ones are new. Usually I can see the bites the same day.In the morning just as red rush, then it concetrates around one spot that changes to red pimple by the end of the day. My skin is really very white and I can usually say if I was bitten by young or adult bb. It looks and develops differently.
As of my daily report. I stayed in bed until 10 o'clock today (i Know I took a risk but I was really tired) and like I said no major bites. HOwever my plan for today is laundry and than steaming the wholle house with my hand steamer! and spraying of course. Jason what time a day you sprayed your house and how is the situation in your house now? -
petlady
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Jason do you remeber when, in this topic, someone was saying how they hear popping. Thisis the third time I hear popping in the places that I sprayed. WOuld that be a noice of those little b@stards dying? I hope so!
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petlady - 9 hours ago »
I didn't spray around bed yesterday because my boyfriend cleaned, bleached and sprayed all house before I came home. He found, behind he furniture, in all house, about 8 bbs in different staged. All dead, all fed :( My guess is that they die with the contact with Ortho after the meal. Jason what time a day you sprayed your house and how is the situation in your house now?That's good you're finding dead bugs. Have you seen any "live" ones the last few days?
When I sprayed the ring of death around my bed, it was usually early evening. Cracks/crevices, under countertops, etc, I sprayed during the day.
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petlady - 6 hours ago »
Jason do you remeber when, in this topic, someone was saying how they hear popping. Thisis the third time I hear popping in the places that I sprayed. WOuld that be a noice of those little b@stards dying? I hope so!I've never heard a "popping" sound myself, but I did read about it from someone on this thread, and perhaps elsewhere too, can't recall exactly. I think I would be creeped out if I heard that, kinda spooky, lol. But if it's the sound of bb "death", well, I could quickly get used to it ;)
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petlady
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That's good you're finding dead bugs. Have you seen any "live" ones the last few days?
One today, but not an adult. I don't know how to call it but was transparent and I sprayed Ortho on it and it died right away and turned up-side-down with leggs up. No popping though:)
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I havent sprayed anywhere from 5-7 days i am not sure, But i have only seen 3 tor 4 since I have stop spraying!! me or the older kids have not gottin bit my lil one has two bites on her I really think that they may be flea bites from my sister in laws house(DOGS)!! BUT I am not sure!! they dont liik like the bites she gets from theBB's!!
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petlady
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Sat Oct 17 2009 6:21:51
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Hello,
I am sorry I didn't update yesterday. Two nights, both with the bites. But I am not giving up because the amount of bites is less and less everyday. I keep spraying, steaming and vaccuming and hopefully one day they will all die :( -
Pet lady did you encase your bed and box spring!!My husband also put duct tape around all the beds sticky side out!! and a lift up on my baby's bed!! I have been cleaning like a mad woman!! I also bought!! Space bags you know the kind you vacuum all the air out and stored 80% of my an the kids clothes in them!! Not one bite on me my husband or the kids !! I still haven't sprayed any more!! But I am not above it if I find more than one!! Not even in my dryer or washer!!
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watkinsnewan - 3 days ago »
Never spray your bed or couch just follow directions on bottle an no where else!!FYI, since the product is not approved or listed for use for bed bugs, no one using ORTHO is "following the directions on the bottle."
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petlady - 4 days ago »
Like I said I have them for a few months now. I also had bb two years ago in the app I just moved into (at that time after unsuccessful afforts of landlord and exterminator we moved out). Just because I did not join the website earlier it doesn't mean I haven't actively read it. On my own I used exterminator( I know it's not correct name), bunch of 100% guarantee sprays and powders, and I threw out bed. I also washed, vacummed and bagged all my cloths. I even bought a hand steamer. Nothing works.
Hi petlady,
Thanks for your response.
I am sorry you are going through this. We know all pest control firms are not the same. Sometimes there are issues also when you get someone to treat but attached neighbors are infested (not sure if this is the situation there).
I would encourage anyone seeking a PCO to interview a number of people and ask about their methods. (We have a faq on choosing a PCO here.) Thermal is pricier than spray treatments in many cases. And even thermal prices may vary.
I would urge extreme caution and do not approve of much of what is suggested in this thread, but I do hope your problem is gone soon.
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petlady - 1 day ago »
One today, but not an adult. I don't know how to call it but was transparent and I sprayed Ortho on it and it died right away and turned up-side-down with leggs up. No popping though:)
I alway's enjoyed seeing those d@mn things legs up, lol. Although, I much prefer not seeing the little buggers AT ALL! It's now been almost 5 months since I was last bitten....and over 4 months since i've even seen a bed bug.
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watkinsnewan - 1 day ago »
I havent sprayed anywhere from 5-7 days i am not sure, But i have only seen 3 tor 4 since I have stop spraying!! me or the older kids have not gottin bit my lil one has two bites on her I really think that they may be flea bites from my sister in laws house(DOGS)!! BUT I am not sure!! they dont liik like the bites she gets from theBB's!!How long has it been since you were last bitten? And yea, flees are also a pain when you have them. But not nearly as bad as bb's!
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petlady - 13 hours ago »
Hello,
I am sorry I didn't update yesterday. Two nights, both with the bites. But I am not giving up because the amount of bites is less and less everyday. I keep spraying, steaming and vaccuming and hopefully one day they will all die :(Glad to hear the bites are decreasing.
How about "chaulking"? Have you considered it, or done any? I did quite a bit of chaulking with my bb infestation.
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This is all new for us. A couple of months ago we saw a single trail of something dark and gross on our bed skirt. I did some research and thought it might be bedbugs. When I did a thorough investigation of the bed and wooden bed frame, we found several dead brown bugs about 2-4mm in size on the wooden frame. The dead bugs have no legs that I can see. We found nothing at all on the mattress or anywhere else. The only excrement was the original single trail of yuck that I saw. I have never seen anything alive. I sometimes get these itchy tiny hard blisters on my hands. Does this sound like bedbugs to those of you who have battled them?
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Jason1 - 13 hours ago »
watkinsnewan - 1 day ago »
I havent sprayed anywhere from 5-7 days i am not sure, But i have only seen 3 tor 4 since I have stop spraying!! me or the older kids have not gottin bit my lil one has two bites on her I really think that they may be flea bites from my sister in laws house(DOGS)!! BUT I am not sure!! they dont liik like the bites she gets from theBB's!!How long has it been since you were last bitten? And yea, flees are also a pain when you have them. But not nearly as bad as bb's!
wow it has been forever!! almost all my sores have healed I can only count about 40 scares!! I don't think I have been bitten since I started spraying!! BUT I went on a rampage I cleaned and cleaned and washed and cleaned and washed And vacuumed I also wiped my white walls down with bleach mixed w/water moped my floors with Murphy oil soap and used the vacuum seal bags after I washed and dryed 80% of my and the kids clothes!! I took the babys bed apert cleaned with the Murphy then completely isolated my baby's bed too!! and The first thing I did was encase all the beds!! I still don't have any bites and I have not sprayed since I last posted that I sprayed!! so far so good!! I really think I caught it early!!But I hate bugs and don't want even one in my home!! I can really care less if they are out side or in the walls as long as they are not in the home!!
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First off I want to mention that Killer Queen although probably good at what he does, is running a business.
Killer Queen those people who had Bed bugs crawling everywhere did they tell you what product they were using in which it was causing them to hide ? Third for a major infestation as in the case you had, I also recommend that they go to a PCO. For anything less I suggest the do-it-yourself approach. You're over looking Killer Queen, you may get phone calls and it's helping your business and the results are positive, but what is the financial cost that those have to contend with after your last visit and the bed bugs are gone ?
Now they have a new problem, a financial problem out of one mess and into a new mess, now instead of not sleeping from bed bugs there not sleeping cause they have to pay off a debt. Telling those that are using the Ortho method that there out of there minds is not the appropriate thing to say, if these people are having success then instead of going off on a tangent, you should simple be praising them and hope it works out in the end, instead you give a back handed comment.
Those that continue to see bed bugs may want to check any holes that are linking you to other apartments, and there can be many. I've stressed this you cannot eliminate them on your own if they keep coming though from someone else, that means you have to check and caulk and/ or foam:
Kitchen
Bathroom
Living Room Holes
Checking Radiator holes (lifting up Rad cover if any exist)
Bed RoomsAny place where you are joined with someone else, or if there coming from above the same holds true, buildings won't renovate your apartment when you first move in and bug proof it , they should but landlords are cheap. You have to spend the money and do it yourself then if your infestation is small you can probably eliminate it.
That is what Jason did, he is smart, why do you think he can get on with his life at this point ? From contemplating what method to take, or what PCO buster he should call ? NO he acted fast so he could be on ontop of the Bed bugs and stay ontop of them.
I've wrote numerous warning signs and methods some common sense that others have written but if you don't take simple measures you can spray Ortho until you become the Mascot, and bed bugs will still come though. You have to block off access points, so you can focus on what is within your home. If you live in a house you have nothing to block off, you just have to focus on what's in your house and eliminate it, or maybe it's your friend who you keep inviting or relative that has them that keeps bringing them over, in which case someone like Killer Queen won't bat an eye and come over and do his magic which he probably is good at.
Unless you got a good stash of cash you'll end up with no more bites, just a financial bite.
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DragonFlight - 3 hours ago »
Third for a major infestation as in the case you had, I also recommend that they go to a PCO. For anything less I suggest the do-it-yourself approach.DragonFlight,
You are not qualified to recommend that others do their own bed bug treatment with pesticides. And this is not the purpose of the site.
It is fine to describe what you did, off-label as it may be, but you cannot prescribe treatments for others. People may endanger themselves or their property. Professionals have been asked not to do this, and amateurs certainly should not be doing it.
There are dangers involved with self-treatment, and each individual must do their own research and decide for themselves if they have the knowledge and skill set to do this. It's not for most people. Not only can you harm yourself or your family (or pets), you can also make bed bug problems worse. Mismanaged bed bug problems may spread in your home or to others, which may even cause you legal or financial problems, depending on your situation.
This is an official administrative warning.
Do not give others advice about self-treatment with pesticides. You simply are not qualified.
Do not encourage others to self-treat with pesticides.To clarify that:
You may stick to describing what you did, or asking others what they did.
You may not be a rah-rah cheerleader, encouraging others to copy Jason's methods (or yours or anyone else's) as you have done repeatedly here.I am stating this publicly as it applies to everyone.
If you ignore these rules, you may be banned at admin's discretion.
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As an aside, it is fine to talk about caulking methods, but experts tell us the home should be properly treated before you caulk. Spraying an off-label pesticide which may have repellent qualities before caulking is a good idea. I would recommend people who want to caulk get their information on it from a reputable source.
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DragonFlight,
You are not qualified to recommend that others do their own bed bug treatment with pesticides. And this is not the purpose of the site.
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There are dangers too, not doing nothing either. Many are not going to have Killer Queen in there area, so they are going to call there regular PCO, which most of the time does not eliminate the problem, and if it's a small infestation that self-treatment could solve, spending hundreds if not thousands is not the route many probably want to go. Then to add insult to injury finding out after three or more visits or a few months have passed they still have bed bugs that is a slap in the face.How many threads have I read on this forum, where people have them return ? Just as equal to how many think they have bed bugs but don't. Why are they returning ? Do they know someone who has them ? Do they live beside someone who they are unaware has them ? Are they bringing them back them-self ? Then the cycle repeats, calling the PCO and spending the money, why do you think most throw out there stuff especially after spending in the range up to $2K, because there fed up and now there back and they have to spend more money. Killer Queen is one person. North America is a huge continent with millions of people that may never get a Killer Queen in there area and besides if they have a small number why even call whoever do it yourself. This has been brought up before in the past few hundred messages in this thread, at one point everyone agrees then, some common regulars on this forum jump back on the PCO bandwagon. If you can do it yourself, why not ? It's common sense to protect animals and the like, but I nor others can hold peoples hand if they neglect how they are applying these chemicals and someone or something gets ill, that is on there head.
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DragonFlight - 3 hours ago »
DragonFlight,
You are not qualified to recommend that others do their own bed bug treatment with pesticides. And this is not the purpose of the site.(rest of nobugs' entire post removed from quote)
First, please do not quote entire posts. The purpose of the quote function is to quote brief snippets, not the other person's entire post, as you did. I have removed it. (I have repeatedly warned jason1 about this in this thread, but apparently, DragonFlight, you don't read very carefully.)
There are dangers too, not doing nothing either."Not doing nothing" is clearly a problem.
Many are not going to have Killer Queen in there area, so they are going to call there regular PCO, which most of the time does not eliminate the problem, and if it's a small infestation that self-treatment could solve, spending hundreds if not thousands is not the route many probably want to go. Then to add insult to injury finding out after three or more visits or a few months have passed they still have bed bugs that is a slap in the face.
I am not sure why you are referencing forum user Killer Queen. He is only one of a number of bed bug professionals and experienced bedbuggers who have suggested the methods in this thread are not a good idea.
What kind of data are you working from that tells you "most of the time" PCOs do not solve the problem?
From what people tell us, it seems the majority of people on Bedbugger who have bed bugs and get rid of them use PCOs. A minority of our users are in NYC. (And FWIW it appears most of these do not use KillerQueen.)
It's common sense to protect animals and the like, but I nor others can hold peoples hand if they neglect how they are applying these chemicals and someone or something gets ill, that is on there head.
DragonFlight, you are responsible for what you say on an internet forum. And I am asking you not to encourage people to self-treat (in general or with a specific product) because you are not qualified to give such advice. And because you don't want to be responsible for the consequences.
PCOs who are qualified to apply pesticides generally are wise enough not to give such advice to strangers on a public forum. I have only had to ask one person here who claimed to be a PCO not to do so.
If someone did want advice on self-treatment, they should not take it from unknown random strangers posting on an internet forum. I would send them to a reputable source. You, DragonFlight, are not one. (Note, I also tell people I am not qualified to advise on how to do self-treatment.)
I would commend to anyone the latest (3rd) Edition of the Bed Bug Code of Practice, written by Australian entomologist Stephen L. Doggett (this and the previous draft included input from bed bug experts around the world). You can download it free here, and it's linked from the "resources" tab above.
It gives information on identification and treatment. However, it does not go into detail on how to safely and effectively apply substances. Presumably because in most cases, this is something that a licensed professional will probably be able to do more safely and more effectively than you will. (For one thing, they should not overapply pesticides, as several of you describe doing above.)
I say that PCOs will probably be able to do a better job, even if they are not Killer Queen, David Cain, EffeCi, Jeff White, Winston O'Buggy, Sean Rollo or any of our other knowledgeable resident professional bed bug experts. (My apologies to those pros who are forum regulars who I have not named just now.)
That is not to say every PCO is equally skilled at treating bed bugs. (We have a FAQ to help you choose a good one, for this reason.) Some are great, many are probably just fine, and some, I'm sure, are clueless.
But IMHO even a second-rate PCO has a lot more knowledge and experience of treating bed bugs safely and effectively than you.
I will not further justify the policy on you not giving advice on treating with pesticides. Period. You can say what you did to treat your bed bugs, but you cannot encourage others to self-treat with pesticides, nor can you tell them how to treat with pesticides.
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Hey Dragon,
Thanks for your support, nice to see you have my back :)
But really, don't push it too hard, you'll just get yourself banned.
You know as well as I do what the deal is here. I pointed it out shortly after I joined.
It does not take a rocket scientist to understand....and i'm sure you do.The only reason I remain on this site is so that I can continue to help others, as I have been doing. No other reason for me to stay, since I am now 100% bb free. Which of course is the last thing certain people want to hear, which are again, reasons i've mentioned previously. But it's FACT.....and I really don't give a damn if less than a handfull of people with obvious agenda's....like it or not. If I get banned for stating the truth, that say's it all. And if I do.....at least I was able to help several people while I was here, explaining my self-treatment.
It's funny, you were called a "cheer leader" for simply saying you appreciate what i've done, in bringing my story here to this board and trying to help people.....for which i've succeeded in doing. Yet I see certain pco's also have "cheer leaders". Oh, I forgot, that's "different" ;) I don't have an ad running on this site....nuff said!
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Jason1 - 3 hours ago »
The only reason I remain on this site is so that I can continue to help others, as I have been doing. No other reason for me to stay, since I am now 100% bb free. Which of course is the last thing certain people want to hear, which are again, reasons i've mentioned previously. But it's FACT.....and I really don't give a damn if less than a handfull of people with obvious agenda's....like it or not. If I get banned for stating the truth, that say's it all. And if I do.....at least I was able to help several people while I was here, explaining my self-treatment.
It's funny, you were called a "cheer leader" for simply saying you appreciate what i've done, in bringing my story here to this board and trying to help people.....for which i've succeeded in doing. Yet I see certain pco's also have "cheer leaders". Oh, I forgot, that's "different" ;) I don't have an ad running on this site....nuff said!Hey jason1,
Which of the PCOs posting here with a following has an ad running on the site?
I can think of only one and it is not someone I have seen responding to you. If KillerQueen does, I have not seen it.
Now, let me be 100% clear:
I have been very patient with the both of you and your "obvious agenda" of promoting self-treatment with a chemical not legally approved for bed bug treatment, and your insistence on giving others advice (directly or indirectly) about how and how often to use pesticides when you are not qualified to do so. You have done all of this without regard for advice from those who know more than you about pesticides and bed bugs that this can be hazardous both in terms of danger to humans and also in terms of potentially making bed bug problems worse or making them spread.
Many people have complained off-thread I have been too patient with both of you. (And here's a tip: not one of them was a PCO!)
You have been asked by me previously to address your concerns about the site to me directly, and not -- instead -- to discuss myself and others passive-aggressively in the third person on forum theads (something I have not been doing to you, I note).
In case it escapes you completely -- because you, Jason1 and DragonFlight, have both repeatedly shown yourselves nearly incapable of reading carefully what others have to say -- it is okay to cheerlead about some things.
But rah-rah posts in response to everything posted on a thread which has drawn wide critical concern (for good reason) from a wide variety of pest professionals and former bed bug sufferers who demonstrate much wider knowledge of bed bugs and their treatment than you do -- this is not worthy of cheers.
I have a right to say so and I say it directly to the people who need to hear it.
Others, like myself, who are not PCOs and who do understand why self-treatment can be a bad idea were respectful of your views, if critical.
You have shown no respect for ours. Your repeated argument that "of course people here are against PCOs because they're making money off of us" is a fallacious one. You miss the point. Do you know that PCOs here regularly assist people in areas far from them? They are here to help. Many of them do so even though they could more easily gather up clients in other ways. Some of them post here without revealing their identity.
And besides that, most of the people here who are telling you that self-treatment can be dangerous are bedbuggers who have beaten their bed bug problems and who have gathered much more experience with bed bugs than either of you (both personal and secondhand). These folks gain nothing from promoting the use of experienced, knowledgeable PCOs (nor from posting to the forums in the first place, for that matter).
So, let's be clear: you are not being banned for describing your own self-treatment.
You are both being banned for being hugely annoying, not just to me but to many others.
You are being banned for not respecting the rules of the site after repeated warnings.
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I don't like that you did this BUT I RESPECT your decision!! I knew that it was going to happen!!
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There goes hope...it "was" nice to hear some good news..especially since "most" of us are going through it right now...when you are dealing with BBs you hear the same things over and over, but this thread "did" bring some kinda hope :(
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spideyjg
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Thu Oct 22 2009 14:29:16
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dee - 1 hour ago »
There goes hope...it "was" nice to hear some good news..especially since "most" of us are going through it right now...when you are dealing with BBs you hear the same things over and over, but this thread "did" bring some kinda hope :(Dee,
There is hope that doesn't involve overapplication of pesticides and risking human health.
Stop reading the BB woe tales and read the success stories.
Jim
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dee - 1 hour ago »
There goes hope...it "was" nice to hear some good news..especially since "most" of us are going through it right now...when you are dealing with BBs you hear the same things over and over, but this thread "did" bring some kinda hope :(Dee,
The thread is not closed and the ideas were not censored. They're still there.
You have to understand that if people want to express their ideas, they have to respect others on the forum and the forum rules. It's a shame these two posters did not, and they are gone because of it.
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Nobugsonme - 2 hours ago »
dee - 1 hour ago »
There goes hope...it "was" nice to hear some good news..especially since "most" of us are going through it right now...when you are dealing with BBs you hear the same things over and over, but this thread "did" bring some kinda hope :(Dee,
The thread is not closed and the ideas were not censored. They're still there.
You have to understand that if people want to express their ideas, they have to respect others on the forum and the forum rules. It's a shame these two posters did not, and they are gone because of it.understood :)
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it will be okay I think they are big boys and can take it!! at least the thread is still alive!!
NOBUGS even if they are banned can they still read the thread!! just not allowed to post!!
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I know ....I know.... STOP bumping this thread to the top..... you are tired of seeing it..lets just agree to dis agree Please... . just wanted to update I have not sprayed the Ortho in A few weeks.... Me an the kids Have only seen 3 live ones and have not gotten bitten since I sprayed it and... I cleaned the house from top to bottom, encasements, isolate the baby's bed, and washed and sterilized everything.......
My PCO comes Friday morning 9 am sharp.... FINALLY... Hy heater went out and my husband had to order the part which took a very long week to get here..... He will be bringing the year long contract with him cause this is the ONLY way I will fell safe enough to NOT infest ANYone else...besides in this neck of the woods they will get rid of a lot of other bugs, critters that I had no idea were living around me...I HATE BUGS...I know I am not suppose to but I really do...Thank you NOBUGGS for not closing this thread all together....
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I didn't mean to bummp I was trying to quote... But while I am here this is the post that got me to STOP spraying so as the post is still open... pay Attention to the word below.......
spideyjg - 1 month ago »
If you care about your 5 kids, do not go hog wild overapplying this stuff around your house. Never, ever, ever, forget that what you are spraying is poison!
Glad to hear it inflicted BB causalities but do not overexpose your family by applying off the label.
Don't be "the most ignorant person in the world" and poison your family. People have done that.
JimPlease post more like these JIM...
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okay so i didn't quote right... sorry Jim .... still new at this...
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rudyping
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Wed Nov 11 2009 23:07:54
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Jason,
I am back to tell you my updates about dealing bbs with this product, It has been 2 months since I sprayed my US version, wow, I can't believe that I haven't bitten sicne then, it is really amazing, It seems it really does a good job for the bbs in my room, I have sprayed it for 4 times in the two months, maybe my room is not in a severe condition of bbs after I threw off my affected mattress, so it could achieve a great success. Thanks for your reply about my question before, and I hope everyone here can be bbs free.
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