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Jason1
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Hey Brettman,
Very interesting and informative post, enjoyed reading it.
I'm glad these messages have been useful to you, and that your bb problem has improved since the nightmare you detailed it was at the beginning.
That first PCO you had sounds like a complete jerk, but unfortunately....there are MANY like this. Both PCO's I had were a complete and utter waste of time and money. The second one was exctly like the one you mentioned. Very defensive, and quite frankly, didn't know hi azz from a whole in the ground. Good thing not all pco's are that bad. I'm just glad my self-treatment did the jod so I didn't have to hunt for pco number 3.
Good luck to you and continued success!
brettman - 5 days ago »
I have been reading everyones responses to the the original post and find all the info to be very useful. I've had B Bugs for about 4 months. It started as a nightmare but has dramatically improved. My girlfriend was getting bitten multiple times a day while I had no signs of any bites. I though she was going crazy or something. Bugs in my house?? Don't think so. I now know that some people don't respond to bites at all. Heck..I probably got bit as many times as her and never knew it. I too hired a PCO and I have mixed opinions on and I need some help. Anyone used Orkin?
What I'm finding is that a good PCO coupled with some supplemental self pest control works the best, as long as you communicate what you are doing to your PCO, and obviously don't make the problem worse. I my case, the origin of the infestation started in my couch. It is now in pieces, wrapped up nicely and on the way out the door. I had the pest control guy come out twice. Once for the original treatment and another treatment two weeks later for a touch up work. The guy didn't stay for long so not sure how much he really did to 'touch up' his work. He was pretty good I guess but its hard for me to really know that because this is all new to me. I've heard from various people not to get rid of your furniture just because you have B Bugs, but to just sit there as bait and wait for the bugs to come out and cross the pesticide on the way to their meal (uh..thats me).
Well, I'll still go to sleep in my bed and let the pesticides do the trick but I refuse to get bitten every night and get 2 hours of sleep. I've set up Climb Up Interceptor traps and Protect A Bed covers to get piece of mind. Trust me..they work!! The PCO officer said it doesn't hurt to 'isolate' your bed, but got really defensive and said that 'what?? you don't trust my work??' Why you asking so many questions? just let me do my thing and everything will be fine!!" . He also said the pesticide works like microsperes that lay on the ground until the bugs cross it and get poisoned. Kind of like walking through a lind mine field. He also got really defensive when I told him I've been researching stuff online. The PCO guy told me the same old 'Why are u doing all this stuff when I told you my method works..huh..you don't trust me??' When I asked then 'ok tell me all the top chemicals in the cocktail and he each works to kill the bugs and eggs. Are they neurotoxins?Do they kill on contact or does it take a while?' he was at a loss for words. and fed me some coorporate sales jargon. I knew then that B Bug extermination is not going to be easy and it will take alot of patience.and I would need to find a new PCO.
At this point, I'm pretty skeptical that I will get rid of the problem totally, but at least I can keep them under control. I understand your frustration when you have the PCO guy come out and then you see bugs crawling all over the place 7 hours later. In fact, when I saw bugs alive and well 3 weeks later with more eggs, it was a major concern. Houston..we have a problem!!! It seems that all the treatment did was piss them off. I still have yet to see a dead bug after a treatment. I'm sure it takes time for the poison to work but I will be a cold day in hell if I lay in my bed and just let them continue to bite me months after a treatment was supposed to work.
So I guess what I am saying is get a good PCO officer that explains what he is doing and why he is doing it. Find someone with a guarantee (usually 30 days). Take advantage of that and do as many treatments as necessary until you stop seeing the bugs. I'm still searching for that silver bullet but everyone's situation is different and not sure how mine will end up yet. I'm beginning to think this will require multiple treaments along with products like you r descibing (Ortho)/Boric Acid /traps to at least get piece of mind while the pesticide does its thing. Whatever works..do it and stick with it. I'm no expert yet but I have seen a dramatic drop in bites seeing the bugs around my house. Use common sense..if you keep seeing bugs coming out of your couch and you've tried everything but think they are still inside the couch..get rid of it if you can. Thats my take on it. -
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Hello all! I'm new here and been reading all the posts trying to gather any & all information I can.
Jason, it's good to hear you've been having success thus far, especially after having an infestation for so long so that is encouraging. Here's my story:
I have determined that my infestation started and pretty much isolated to my couch(& matching armchair). I have had bites(some now scars unfortunately) on my arms, and a few on my ankles for about 2 months now. I was always a night owl and for reason, made a habit of sleeping on the couch. I noticed that the times I would decide to go to my bed, I would not have a problem. At first I thought my bites were from a trip I had taken to the mountains & well, I knew their insects were different than my suburban insects so that's what I attributed it to. I went to the Dr. who gave me a cream, etc. My younger son(8) who would sometimes sleep on the couch ended up with a few bites on his arms but I figured it was from him playing outside(his weren't as bad as mine). My older son(17) took a nap on the couch a couple of times last week and some time the next day, he came to me and had all these red bites on his upper arm, below the shoulder. He made a what turned out to be true statment saying "It's the couch, it's possessed!". He never slept on it again & eventually has healed pretty good thus far. Then a girlfriend of mine came down last week for labor day weekend, left that Tuesday morning and called me Saturday to tell me she had a red rash on her body. She had just had in & out surgery the previous Thursday so she attributed it to that but in the back of my mind, I'm thinking something else. I remembered watching an episode of Animal Planet's "Monster's inside me" and got on the internet to pull up the episode they featured on bed bugs.. I immediately suspected that's what I probably could've had. Now having a home, you see bugs sometimes, you just kill them or swat them, you don't think anything of it, we get bugs all the time. I've seen a bug or 2 on the couch or crawl on me but never would I have thougth it was a bed bug nor had I ever knew enough about them or thought enough aobut them to think that's what they could be.So I grabbed a flash light and began my thorough search down of the couch. Low and behold I found in the crevice in the front of one of the arms of the couch, a grouping of what I now know to be bed bugs, a couple of I guess would be adults, a few adolescents and babies...ewwww. Through my disgust, I continued. I found about 3 or 4 more sections of "families" of the like. In the back, a couple going down the seam of the couch. I also found a couple on the matching wingback chair which I had touching the couch so I guess they crawled from one to the other? Anyway, I immediately banned me,my 2 boys or my dogs from sitting on the couch & began my research on the computer. Amongst other websites & info, thank goodness I stumbled across this site. I found that rubbing alcohol seemed to work in the interim so I put some in a spray bottle and tried it to see if it worked. I sprayed the first "family" of BB's and it did.
The next day, I started calling around to different Pest Control Companies. There were some I felt were just out for my money. There were some I really liked but didn't service my area. They also informed me to stay away from the big named companies like Terminix & Orkin for some reason(not sure why?)..I finally found 1 I felt was believable and knew what he was talking about & wasn't all about my money!! He came over on Weds for an inspection. He was also the owner/Pres. of the company. He stayed and together with his flashlight, we searched again. I showed him what I'd found & he found a couple others(I probably could have but was too grossed out to continue doing so). He was very informative, saying how a long time ago when they would use real pesticides(can't remember the term he used but I guess something like solution/fumes type stuff), to kill the more common pests, they were told not to use them anymore and to use more baits instead and that they suspect in doing that (using baits) made the more "uncommon" pests such as BB's to become more prevelant. Not sure how true that is and he says it's just a guess.
So we discuss my options.
I could vacuum my sofa & chair thoroughly, then have it professionally steam cleaned, then have Belfoam(sp?) applied.I've had my sofa about 5 years so it has had it's wear & tear and in my searching, I noticed it has a small tear in the back, kind of behind the cushion. I'm afraid of that just by vacuuming, if there is even a small chance that even 2 of them escaped thru that tear and I don't get them, this cycle could repeat, even after the steam cleaning and Belfam application...is that right?
Or they could come and professionally treat it. He stated he was trying to give me all inexpensive methods first. I'm glad because to be honest with you, I cannot afford the professional method.
I may have put out the $150 it would have cost to do the sofa or I may can do a room but that's it.
I am a single mom to 2 boys and am struggling right now. So bummed, depressed & overwhelmed that this has had to happen to me. I live in the suburbs and have no idea where it could have come from. I have a 3 level fairly new end unit town home.. My living room area where the couch was is on the main floor which is when you first walk in.
So my question to you is what hsould I do? After reading this thread, I'm really opting to try the Ortho. The PCO mentioned that he thinks mine isn't that bad??? huh? really??? To me, it is devastatingly bad!!! lol He stated he's walked in a house & they were lined up on the ceiling wall......OMG!!!! I would move at that point...I can't take it. I"m a night owl as it is but really a night owl now! HELP
Oh, I forgot to tell you what I decided....That couch & chair had to go...unfortunately don't know when we will be able to get another. I went to home depot, got some painter's plastic & Me, my son & his friend wrapped them up & put them out...Bulk trash is coming Monday. Now since then, we have seen a couple...crawling on the wall around the living room. My son saw a couple ont he wall leading to downstairs and I saw a couple on the wall in the foyer area at the front door. I guess once I started spraying the couch with the alcohol, some tried to scatter elsewhere because if they were on walls before, I would've noticed. Now I wish I wouldn've have even done that, that way, they would've all stayed in the couch which is where they were obviously content at since that's where I slept so I could kick myself. Nonetheless, we've been spraying those stragglers as we see them. I figure they need at least 2 to mate..that's why I haven't slept, I'm determined to get all straggler's.
What do you guys think? It sounds like most of you are in apartments whereas I'm in a 3 level town home.
I failed to mention, I made a habit of sleeping on teh couch every night...sometimes I would wake up scratching like crazy. I did notice that when I slept in my bed, no bites, no bugs ...a good nights sleep. But still didn't think it was the couch...silly me. After the diagnosis of the couch, I inspected our matresses just to be on the safe side and nothing. Again, as long as we slept in the beds we were fine....
I was thinking on trying the Ortho, first starting around a perimeter of the doors to our bedrooms. I figured I start with putting it around the door frame/baseboard as opposed to around the bed/matteress due to the fume/human inhalation issue unless absolutely necessary. I will eventually work my way backwards to where it all begain....ending in the living room where the couch/chair actually was. The reason I'm doing that last is because I don't want to treat that area first and they have another chance to run to an un-infected area to start the cycle over. Man do I hope this works....since the couch & chair have been gone, well since we have not sat or slept since discovery, we have not been bitten but we have seen the stragglers. I'm just praying with this final step, they will eventually die off.
I just hate not knowing where they could have come from...that too helps with preventative measures.
Thanks so much for this site & for you all sharing your stories. Sorry James for hijacking your thread. I just took to yours the most and made my final plan of action after reading it so thanks & I'm glad you've been so successful. I'll be checking back in on ya!
--Yolanda
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Yolanda,
I'm no expert, but based on what I've read on this site, I recommend that you isolate your bed, encase your mattresses and use climb-ups or cups with murphy's oil soap under each foot of your bed frame. You don't want them to find your mattresses and start to infest them too, especially if you can't afford to replace them. They are attracted to body heat and CO2 in your breath.
See areas of this site for info on mattress encasements. Be careful with vinyl. It can rip.
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depressedandconfused - 49 minutes ago »
Yolanda,
I'm no expert, but based on what I've read on this site, I recommend that you isolate your bed, encase your mattresses and use climb-ups or cups with murphy's oil soap under each foot of your bed frame. You don't want them to find your mattresses and start to infest them too, especially if you can't afford to replace them. They are attracted to body heat and CO2 in your breath.
See areas of this site for info on mattress encasements. Be careful with vinyl. It can rip.Thanks so much for your reply! That is on my agenda for this weekend also....getting some encasements for the mattresses we have. I have inspected them already & so far, nothing so I want to hurry & do it before anything happens. Do I encase the box spring also or do I just start with the mattress? Will they climb plastic? Is that what the encasement made of if not vinyl?
Thanks again!
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You should encase the mattress AND the box spring. The encasement is actually fabric, but it's woven in a way to prevent bed bugs inside the mattress from biting you and bed bugs outside the mattress from getting in. Even if a bed bug finds its way on your bed, it won't be able to get inside and infest the mattress. So, yes, the bed bugs can crawl on the encasement fabric, but they can't get through it. Encasements can be laundered. And it's not a bad idea to launder all bedding often in hot water and ON HOT IN THE DRYER. 20 to 60 minutes of heat over 120 degrees is supposed to kill bed bugs and bed bug eggs. Laundering all clothing in the same way and keeping it sealed in large ziplocs is another way to keep the infestation under control and out of your things. You can also put bowls (old yogurt containers, etc.) under each leg of your bed. You can fill the bowls with murphy's oil soap or mineral oil and/or use double-sided sticky tape all around the outside of the bowls to catch bugs trying to climb up into your bed (or trying to climb out).
The protect a bed encasements advertised on this site are supposed to be the best.
Caulking and sealing cracks and crevices is another good self-prevention/treatment tool.
Good luck to you!
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jason 1 your freaken awsome and a life saver I am Roxanne mother of 5!! and I have bb!! I am scard to death of these things and the pestasides that go with them!! usally I have my husband do that kinda thing!! NOT THIS TIME He is out of town for the next week!!I got woke up last night with bites on me I thought when we bombed two week ago and three days after that we got rid of them NOPE i got bit las night!!I saw your post on the ortho and after only getting 3 hours sleep last night I figured what the heck lets just check on this stuff at walley world saw the awsome spray nozel and said to my self just like spraying Pam in the skillet !!those freeken things didn't know what to do!! I loved killing every one of them !!I was actually looking for a company to come out and do a thermo heat treatment.. when I came across your post!! It might work but it is expensive and with 5 kids i would rather spend the 10 dollars and save the rest for feeding the kids and rent of course!! going to treat my yard and the rest of the house tomarrow!! I am also going to make my husband do another better treatment than I did when he gets home!! and a month after that and a month after that ect!! your freaken awsome Thank you so much for your post!!
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~~~YEA A GOOD NIGHT SLEEP MAKES ALL THE DIFFERANCE~~I---D-E-C-L-A-I-R---W-A-R and found the perfect wepon!! if you dont ues this product you are the most ignorant person in the world!! do it your self in this day and age~~
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watkinsnewan - 5 hours ago »
~~~YEA A GOOD NIGHT SLEEP MAKES ALL THE DIFFERANCE~~I---D-E-C-L-A-I-R---W-A-R and found the perfect wepon!! if you dont ues this product you are the most ignorant person in the world!! do it your self in this day and age~~Do you have the US or Canadian version? If you care about your 5 kids, do not go hog wild overapplying this stuff around your house. Never, ever, ever, forget that what you are spraying is poison!
Glad to hear it inflicted BB causalities but do not overexpose your family by applying off the label.
Don't be "the most ignorant person in the world" and poison your family. People have done that.
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I got the US virsion!! that is soooo funny my husband told me the same thing! I had to remind myself what I was spraying about 30 sec into it cause there was no smell to it or fumes~That kinda scared me ~~ I just sprayed my room and my bath room not the kids rooms or there bath room to test the stuff !!and I did it according to the lable base boards, window seal, door jams then I closed my door and aired the room out!! the death ring too around my bed !!I sprayed my kitchen and laundry room this morning then went to church while it aired out!! I have a little one with broncidas so I really have to be cautious with EVERYTHING~~When my husband gets home he will do the big spraying Like the attic and crawl spaces and kids rooms while we are out of the house !!~I am the type of person when I see a bug I get out the tape and tape it to where ever it is till one of my kids or husband gets home!! when I started spraying I saw how they hide in the tinest crack in the window seal~~they stood strait up DIED and then dried out!! it was instant I had sprayed RAID on them before with out it effecting them it was like candy to them!! when I bombed They vanished for a while but they returned!!! thanks for the advice always apricated!!!! ;) we have a joke here in the south!!
There is a million bugs in the world and 999,999 live here in Georgia!!
I am still declaring W-A-R on the creapy crawlers who invaided ~~~MY HOME~~~ I am going to go all out to protect me an my family~~~While being cautious~~~of course~~W-A-R~~
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hey watkinsnewan,
Im also living in the US, can you tell me what the US version of Ortho is? I went to Home Depot and tried to find it but no luck.
My BB problem just started about 3 weeks ago, not sure yet how bad it is, no bites yet. I threw away my mattress and am getting started on the rest of the apt. I called an exterminator but would rather try and get rid of them myself first.Best of luck to you!!!
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Hey what is going on Jason and gang. How are things ? How are peoples results using this product ? It's a good product to use on Roaches and Bed Bugs, although for Roaches it's best to get the best stuff.
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it is the Ortho home defence max it is at Wal Mart in the gardening section it has a awsome spray nozel don"t pump it just pull(Glad i was paying attion to that one I pumped it and when I pushed it back in some sprayed out )!!!!!!they also have the stuff you hook up to a water hose and spray the outside of your home!! I think the others on here can give you better advice of what the US virson is somthing about the chemicals are not the same!! You dident have to throw your matress away you you should of encased the mattress and the box spring I found them and walmart pretty cheep!! not cheep as i would like them to be but whatever!! To me one bug is an infestation!! I am still in the battle field with them cleaning like crazy my kids think I have gone mad not to say my house was a mess or anything like that !! I thought there was no hope for getting rid of them till I saw what it did to them they are worst than cocaroaches~~I would say they are like a cocaroach ,flea and lice all wraped up into one!!make sure you read this whole thead (5 pages)lots of good advice on this one
~~~Jason where are you~~~~
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Hey everyone!
Some very interesting and well wriiten posts since I last checked in.
On one hand, it's good to see my thread is staying active :) but on the other hand, it's not so good because it means more people have bed bugs :(
Overall it's good though because the thread, and YOUR messages and experiences, are helping people....and that is the important thing.
I've been very busy, that's why I havn't had the time to reply/comment on individual posts like I normally do. Don't have long today either, but at least wanted to read the new messages.
I wish all of you the best of luck, and very happy to see how many are having similar success that i'm having using the Ortho product. And even if the success rate isn't quite the same as mine, at least it's a start....and will hopefully improve.
I never said Ortho Home Defense Max was the magic bullet, and that it would work for everyone,in every situation....but after 4 months of not being bitten, not once, after being bitten nightly for almost a year, well, it's safe to claim success....at least for ME, aswell as others who have posted in this thread/board, pm'd me, and elsewhere.
Just a word of caution, the same caution folks like Spidey, and other good people have mentioned. Be a little extra careful with the US version as it containes the chemical " Bifenthrin", which is not in the Canadian version that I use. Both products however do seem to produce similar results (dead bb's) which leads me to believe it's the "other" chemicals in the Ortho, which are the same in both versions....that are the real catalysts. I have no idea really as i'm not a chemist....but logical thinking leads me to this thought.
Again, good luck everyone. I'll try to check in more often.
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Jason, thank you so much for your insight and time. I really appreciate everything I've read in this unfortunately popular post.
My story begins with buying a dining table and chairs on craigslist. I guess the alarm bells should of went when I saw the table and chairs sitting in the sellers driveway. hindsight is such a bitch. I'm still not sure if I have bb cause I haven't seen one yet. but the night i brought the table into the dining area. i gave the table and chairs a wipe down. finding a couple of spiders underneath the chairs and 1 bug which may have been a silverfish or bb but i missed the chance of killing it. It looked too big to be a bb.
I bought the table the first week of august and it wasn't till last monday (sept 21st) i noticed a bunch of big red inflamed welt marks on the back of my upper left leg. while either sitting on a dining chair or on my couch. I'm assuming if it is bb and it's moved to the couch. my heart sank as i'm assuming that bb are in my apt. following night i sat on my couch and noticed a few more marks while watching tv on my upper right leg this time. the following week my paranoia, fear and depression have left me sleepless and leaving the light on at night. wearing long sleeved clothing. turned my bed upside down and inspected a few times to find no blood stains or bb droppings or bb.
after finding this site, i took the advice of using DE and i've blanketed base boards, gaps, carpet, couch and bedframe and edges of my mattress with the stuff hoping to rid myself of these invisible parasites.
tonight, i tore up the upholstery of my dining chairs cause i was going to reupholster them anyways and i saw what i'm assuming are a lot of blood stains from bb in one of the chairs. no bb found tho but maybe a shell but not sure. no appetite, no motivation and i've been on this board for hours finding out how to deal with this.
also noticed bumps above my neck line in my hair but not sure if they're bites. do bb bite in the scalp even with all the hair? going to try the ortho product this week and find a mattress cover. really wish i could turn back time now.
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604bugger - 11 minutes ago »
after finding this site, i took the advice of using DE and i've blanketed base boards, gaps, carpet, couch and bedframe and edges of my mattress with the stuff
You missed the parts about how to properly use DE and the fact it is an inhalation hazard. Don't do squat until you get a HEPA vac and P100 respirator to clean that up.
Read the DE hazards tag up top. DE used properly is effective and not harmful to you.
Jim
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~~~well it has been 5 days since I sprayed and only have seen one I sprayed last night too!! thank all of you for this thread and all the post !! if it wasnt for you I think I would have gone into debt or 5150 trying to figure out what to do!! I sprayed the out side of the house with the ortho that you hook up to a water hose It was so easy!! The funny thing is I have not seen any live bugs ants slugs water bettles crickets, masquitos,wasp, or any of the flying bugs usally hanging out side of my screen window (((PEACE)))and I am finding alot af dead bugs!!!((yuck)) I cant belive it is as simple as to go to the store and pick up some ortho and just spray it!!well not that simple encasements and a lot of washing and cleaning!! to get rid af all the bugs!! I am so Glad I did not use the de or dvcdsfsklaf or what ever that other stuff is it looks to be soo dangerous!! to thank all of you is beyond words expecially since I have all the kids and cant be on the puter reshearching alot!! my hubby will be home tonight and he is going to take the day off tomarrow and spray the whole house top to bottom!! while me an the kids are gone!!~~~THANK ALL OF YOU~~~:~) :~) :~) :~] ;~} THANKS SPIDY FOR THE CONCERN THANKS JASON FOR THE DISCOVERY THANKS ALL ~~~~
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Hello all. My roommate brought in a bed-bug ridden couch from the street. Bad move, but we were not aware that bedbugs were as big of a problem as they are and that they even lived in couches for that matter. Anyway, my other roommates boyfriend was sick, so she decided to sleep on the couch instead. Woke up the next morning with all of these red welts all over her body. It took us a week before we finally realized that the couch had bugs and that we had to get rid of it. I wish people were more open about this subject so that we understood the problem! agh! Unfortunately, we have bed bugs now.. our landlord had the place sprayed by some guy (which I highly doubt was even a real exterminator) (sorry I know thats the wrong term for professional bug killer.)
So I was really crazy about spraying my room with the OTC bed bug spray, as to not get them in my room, but one night, right before crawling in bed, I saw a bug scurry across my sheets and I killed it. Didn't ever go back into the bed that night, but at least I killed the god forsaken bug. A couple days later I woke up with bites on my arms and legs. They didn't look like my friends bed bugs bites... they looked like itchy pimple like inflammation. I actually thought for a few minutes that maybe I was just getting bit by a spider. Wishful thinking! It's bad when you want to be bit by a spider. I found this thread and finally can sort of sleep at night. I sprayed the entire apartment, and around my room and bed. I don't think I have been bit since spraying around my bed. I also wrapped carpet tape around my sheet... but haven't caught any bugs yet. I haven't actually seen a bed bug, since the night I killed it on my mattress. My other roommate did the same as me, but he was still bit... and didn't catch any bugs on the tape... which leads me to believe he either has them in his pillow, or the tape doesn't work. I've probably been over spraying... I realize the danger of it (so please don't reiterate that fact people!) I just really have to get on with my life... bed bugs seem to be on my mind every moment of my day and I just really can't live like this! I'll update.. I really hope this works.
I'm just afraid that if my roommates don't jump on board with me (i.e. one of them hasn't even got a mattress encasement yet) that we will never get rid of this problem!
If we aren't seeing bugs is it still really that important to only wear clothing once and wash everything in the closets and keep everything bagged up? I just don't have the time or money for that!! Anybody else used this method and had success?? Please post so we can decide if this is really a cure!
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I'm back....mostly just checking in to see how things were going with Jason1. Glad to hear your four months bite free. Very encouraging. As for me, I haven't had any bites since June 28. I've yet to find any bed bugs, dead or alive but I realize that doesn't mean they're not there. I'm still living out of ziplock bags and still doing my inspections, though I'm not nearly as vigilant as I was in the beginning. I can honestly say that I don't think about them most days.
I heard a very disturbing story from one of my colleagues earlier in the week. Her 13 year old daughter had a class mate with bites all over him. Worse than that is the fact that the bed bugs were spotted running from his bookbag all over the classroom floor. The teacher made all of the kids in the classroom stand on one side of the room and isolated poor 'Jimmy' while she swatted his bugs. Now I don't know anything about 'Jimmy's' upbringing, but I can only imagine what being singled out in a classroom of 24 kids must have done to his self esteem.
A scary thought -- what if the teacher hadn't noticed the bugs, they would have probably latched on to the other book bags on the floor, 24 kids would have taken them home and possibly infested their own homes. 24 mothers would carry their purses to the grocery store, 24 fathers could possibly carry their infested brief cases to work and it's just a scary, crazy, ripple effect.
Wishing everyone a bite free weekend
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~~~Can this really work does any one know~~~ killing bugs with a tree seems a little far fetched too me!! ~~~web site below to video!!
" http://vids.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=vids.individual&videoid=55503477 "
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DragonFlight - 13 hours ago »
I think I posted something similar in what I'm about to say a while ago. There appears to be a trend in common ways that Bed Bugs are spreading and this is a run down.Please keep messages in this thread ON TOPIC or they will be deleted.
If you want to write about something else, DragonFlight, start a new thread or choose one on that topic.
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watkinsnewan - 12 hours ago »
~~~Can this really work does any one know~~~ killing bugs with a tree seems a little far fetched too me!! ~~~web site below to video!!
" http://vids.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=vids.individual&videoid=55503477 "We have seen no studies or proven information about this product yet.
It may be an effective contact killer, but you need more than that when you're trying to eliminate bed bugs, and I'd want to see proof that it worked as a residual or otherwise.
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~~thanks ~~still new here I just figured out I have a profile!! still dont know what pm is!!~~
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Please keep messages in this thread ON TOPIC or they will be deleted.
If you want to write about something else, DragonFlight, start a new thread or choose one on that topic.
You deleted the message, because you don't want people to know the way bed bugs can spread ? Do you want people to continue to do the practices in which there doing so they will get bed bugs ? I'm sure Jason wouldn't mind a bit that, the message I posted be posted to inform. I think you should have let Jason be the one to judge the message and not yourself.
We have seen no studies or proven information about this product yet.
It may be an effective contact killer, but you need more than that when you're trying to eliminate bed bugs, and I'd want to see proof that it worked as a residual or otherwise.
More discussions of CedarCide here.
That product you mention is not any different then Ortho Home Defense. In-fact the Cedarcide is a contact killer whereas the Ortho has proven if you spray around where they are hiding they will cross and die and that is better reassurance then having to literally wipe areas where you suspect they may be hiding.
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DragonFlight - 3 hours ago »
Please keep messages in this thread ON TOPIC or they will be deleted.
If you want to write about something else, DragonFlight, start a new thread or choose one on that topic.
You deleted the message, because you don't want people to know the way bed bugs can spread ? Do you want people to continue to do the practices in which there doing so they will get bed bugs ? I'm sure Jason wouldn't mind a bit that, the message I posted be posted to inform. I think you should have let Jason be the one to judge the message and not yourself.DragonFlight, you did not READ my message. Your post was perfectly fine and informative but OFF TOPIC in this thread. People who read this thread are already scrolling through five pages of messages to do so. We do not need to bloat the thread with messages on another topic. "Ways bed bugs spread" is another topic.
It's a common rule on internet forums to keep threads on topic. It's fine to post "Ways bed bugs spread and how to prevent this" (or whatever the title was) but start a new thread.
That product you mention is not any different then Ortho Home Defense. In-fact the Cedarcide is a contact killer whereas the Ortho has proven if you spray around where they are hiding they will cross and die and that is better reassurance then having to literally wipe areas where you suspect they may be hiding.
No -- you cannot say these products are the same. You're implying Ortho Home Defense has some residual effects. I do not dispute that. If it's true, Ortho is NOT a contact killer.
I am saying we do not know CedarCide has any residual effects.
A contact killer by definition has NO residual effects.
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Regardless it's only a contact killer. As with the Ortho you can spray around where the bugs may come out and when they make contact rather when you make contact with the bugs, so far the proof is showing the bed bugs will die.
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Dude! Read up on "contact" killers vs "residual" killers. Cripes get it straight will ya! Don't spread wrong info.
Contact killers in a wet form kill on contact and when they dry have no effect. 91% alcohol for example or a well aimed shoe.
Residuals will not only kill on contact but leave a residue that is still deadly to pests that contact it for a period of time.
Ortho claims 12 months of efficacy but CedarCide claims nothing nor has anyone mentioned any residual action.
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Hi everyone..I have just found those rotten little buggers and you would not believe where I picked them up from !! I work in a nursing home in Canada and it seems one of the new residents came in with them and the management forgot to mention it to us....I am so mad about this. If they didn't mention this then what else has come in. When I called in to work today after finding one in my bed at 5 am they seemd unconcerned about it. I have been at war with these things all day. I hape cleaned and bagged forever. I couldn't find the Ortho you mentioned but did find a Raid product that seems to be killing them off. Where in Canada can I find this Ortho ? I will continue the fight and be out looking for a new job tomorrow...
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Dude! Read up on "contact" killers vs "residual" killers. Cripes get it straight will ya! Don't spread wrong info.
Contact killers in a wet form kill on contact and when they dry have no effect. 91% alcohol for example or a well aimed shoe.
Residuals will not only kill on contact but leave a residue that is still deadly to pests that contact it for a period of time.
Ortho claims 12 months of efficacy but CedarCide claims nothing nor has anyone mentioned any residual action.
That is exactly what I meant. I understand it completely. Why you want to search for where they are hiding in hopes to wipe them out with a contact killer, when you can use a Residual killer that you can spray in an area where you know they will come out at night and let the Residual killer do the work. A contact killer makes not sense unless you know that they are all hiding in a cluster and there are none randomly elsewhere in your home, which realistically speaking that the odds of that are slim.
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~~wow alot of very good points~~ But I will hunt them down like a ex who has done me wrong and srpay in ever crack and nook I can find I even some I can't I sprayed it on the walls too and this is all I have used besides cleaning with bleach water stronger than the normal~~ then spraying again~~ All the while the kids are out of the house !! and I let it air out for a few hours~~I dident even bag clothes or even drive my self nuts doing this I sprayed the yard 3 times and I have only seen a couple which I spray or squish then wipe with bleach!! I also do the ring of death around my and my kids bed and have been keeping the house very very clean I have only been biten once maby twice!! i think thay are misquito bites cause they don't itch as bad~~ I Havent been sleeping all night cause I wake up to see if any are around me or the kids!! NOne so far~~ I also pulled the beds away from the wall and I calked some cracks today I am only going to do this a little at a time!! so as i sit here with my baby in my arms rocking her to sleep I am confident that i am doing the right thing !! and thanking the one above for finding this thread !!Freaken awsome~~ and all who have shared and been open about this imberasing subject!! all 5 of my kids have not been bitten since i started using the Ortho Home defence Max~~ I dohave a perfesional coming to do a free inspection tomarrow just as a secondary measure I am confident in him he really knew a lot about the blood suckers!!~~Thanks for the info about ("contact" killers vs "residual" killers) I dident understand it at first~~ with u guys going back an forth like that made me really think about it!!~~~ Thanks~~ I-STILL-DELCLAIR-WAR-ON THE LITTLE BOOGGERS~~YOU GUYS R AWSOME~~
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brenshaw - 2 hours ago »
Hi everyone..I have just found those rotten little buggers and you would not believe where I picked them up from !! I work in a nursing home in Canada and it seems one of the new residents came in with them and the management forgot to mention it to us....I am so mad about this. If they didn't mention this then what else has come in. When I called in to work today after finding one in my bed at 5 am they seemd unconcerned about it. I have been at war with these things all day. I hape cleaned and bagged forever. I couldn't find the Ortho you mentioned but did find a Raid product that seems to be killing them off. Where in Canada can I find this Ortho ? I will continue the fight and be out looking for a new job tomorrow...~~ I found mine at walmart in the garden section!! But I am in USA~~Hope that helps~~Garden section~~
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ooh yea I encased the beds too forgot that was the hardest part!! i also washed the pillows and dried them for 3 hours!! put on my whith sheets!!an pillow cases
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DragonFlight,
Jim said,
Dude! Read up on "contact" killers vs "residual" killers. Cripes get it straight will ya! Don't spread wrong info.
Contact killers in a wet form kill on contact and when they dry have no effect. 91% alcohol for example or a well aimed shoe.
Residuals will not only kill on contact but leave a residue that is still deadly to pests that contact it for a period of time.And YOU said,
That is exactly what I meant. I understand it completely.
Well, okay, you understand contact killers and residuals are two different things.But here you said,
That product you mention [CedarCide] is not any different then Ortho Home Defense.
And you agreed Ortho has a residual. So you see, you contradict yourself.
And that is why myself and others responded to you in the way they did.
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Unfortunately I have very little time to post these days, but wanted to reply to your post to let you know the Ortho Home Defense Max product is available at Canadian Tire. That's where I buy mine. I think it may also be available at Home Depot.
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Hi everyone..I have just found those rotten little buggers and you would not believe where I picked them up from !! I work in a nursing home in Canada and it seems one of the new residents came in with them and the management forgot to mention it to us....I am so mad about this. If they didn't mention this then what else has come in. When I called in to work today after finding one in my bed at 5 am they seemd unconcerned about it. I have been at war with these things all day. I hape cleaned and bagged forever. I couldn't find the Ortho you mentioned but did find a Raid product that seems to be killing them off. Where in Canada can I find this Ortho ? I will continue the fight and be out looking for a new job tomorrow... -
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Thanks Jason....appreciate any help i can get
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NoBugsOnMe, you are just repeating what I had already said then quoting me on top of it which made no sense.
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Dragon,
Could you please inbox me that message the "hall monitor" deleted? I do NOT like censorship. If I didn't like the freaking message posted on MY thread, I would have damn well said so!!
Thanks!
PS, i'm in a bad mood tonight, and CRAP like this doesn't help. Neither does not getting enough sleep. But this kind of lack of sleep is MUCH better than bb lack of sleep, lol.
Good night!
DragonFlight - 2 days ago »
Please keep messages in this thread ON TOPIC or they will be deleted.
If you want to write about something else, DragonFlight, start a new thread or choose one on that topic.
You deleted the message, because you don't want people to know the way bed bugs can spread ? Do you want people to continue to do the practices in which there doing so they will get bed bugs ? I'm sure Jason wouldn't mind a bit that, the message I posted be posted to inform. I think you should have let Jason be the one to judge the message and not yourself.
We have seen no studies or proven information about this product yet.
It may be an effective contact killer, but you need more than that when you're trying to eliminate bed bugs, and I'd want to see proof that it worked as a residual or otherwise.
More discussions of CedarCide here.
That product you mention is not any different then Ortho Home Defense. In-fact the Cedarcide is a contact killer whereas the Ortho has proven if you spray around where they are hiding they will cross and die and that is better reassurance then having to literally wipe areas where you suspect they may be hiding. -
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Also to note, there have been many examples of so-called "off-topic" posts on my thread. IE, bb problems with the upcoming Winter Olympics here in Vancouver, which I posted about, along with others. NoBugs, you were as quiet as a church mouse, didn't say a word. And that is just one of MANY examples.
I apologize if you did this to somehow protect the integrity of my thread, but as long as the messages pertain in some way to bb's, it's fair game as far as i'm concerned. Now of course I would prefer the majority of messages to be about self-treatment, but they don't all have to be.
By the way, my previous post may have been a little harsh, but to my credit....I did try to edit parts out. But alas, the one hour time limit had expired ;)
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Exactly what I had mentioned Jason. Unfortunately I don't have the message saved, that I wrote up because I didn't think that it was going to be deleted, especially after proof reading it. The only way it can be brought back is if it's not permanently deleted, in which case the burden lies on NoBugsOnMe.
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Are you guys new to the whole internet discussion board thing? The administrator sets rules and you agreed when you signed up to abide by them.
Nobugs is the admin and it is her house. Don't like it? Bail, don't bitch.
The internet is free speech but a discussion board can be censored by the admin or mods. It is like that on every damn board you could be on.
DF's post had some interesting observation of commonalities in reading many stories and all nobugs asked was he put it in a different thread but he got his shorts in a wad.
Again it is Nobug's board and she rules. Just like the board owner of every other board out there. Deal with it.
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Jason1 - 22 hours ago »
Dragon,
Could you please inbox me that message the "hall monitor" deleted? I do NOT like censorship. If I didn't like the freaking message posted on MY thread, I would have damn well said so!!
Thanks!
PS, i'm in a bad mood tonight, and CRAP like this doesn't help. Neither does not getting enough sleep. But this kind of lack of sleep is MUCH better than bb lack of sleep, lol.
Good night!Jason1,
I am not a "hall monitor." I own the site. I have been very tolerant of views which do not agree with my own.
However, you have a 5 page thread here. You may not realize it, but it gets annoying for newcomers to have to wade through 5 pages of information -- some relevant to the topic, some not relevant.
Yes, this "off-topic" rule was not enforced much earlier because the thread was not so very long. Now it will be. It's to ensure people are able to use the thread.
It also is not strictly enforced on other threads because normally, threads do not grow so long.
Another thing I will remind you of, Jason, is that you frequently "Quote" entire messages in your responses. Please stop this. I have asked you previously and you seemed to have understood. The reason is because this is not the purpose of quoting. The point of a quote is to show what you're responding to in a message. Recopying entire messages is a problem for lots of reasons (and may affect how internet searchers are or aren't able to find the thread).
It's also annoying and bloats the length of the thread further, making it hard for people to find the good information in a thread, if there is any.
Jason, you've often posted messages consisting entirely of a quote, with no content added by yourself. Those have also been deleted. They add nothing. And they bloat the thread and make it longer.
I hope that clarifies things. If you have questions, feel free to ask me directly, instead of discussing me in the third person, a courtesy I also extend to you.
Do not call me names in future, or you will be ejected. Besides, it's rude and makes you look bad.
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DragonFlight - 15 hours ago »
Exactly what I had mentioned Jason. Unfortunately I don't have the message saved, that I wrote up because I didn't think that it was going to be deleted, especially after proof reading it. The only way it can be brought back is if it's not permanently deleted, in which case the burden lies on NoBugsOnMe.DragonFlight,
I have reinstated your post for 24 hours so you can copy it to a new thread with an appropriate title.
Please do that. And I will delete it again.
In future, if you have an issue, simply get in touch with me and I will try and help. It's much more effective than complaining to other posters.
But if you want to go off on a tangent, just start a new thread. As I clearly stated there was nothing wrong with your post, but you need to start a new topic. As I explained to Jason1 above, the thread is long and difficult to navigate. I am trying to make things easier for everyone.
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DragonFlight - 1 day ago »
NoBugsOnMe, you are just repeating what I had already said then quoting me on top of it which made no sense.Go back and read my previous messages, and I am pretty sure you will understand.
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For anyone thinking that this thread holds the magic bullet to eradicating bedbugs, please reconsider:
Jason has described having a massive bedbug infestation for at least a year - likely more. He described multiple bedbugs being visible in all rooms of his apt including his outdoor balcony. Knowing how stealthy bedbugs tend to be, that kind of visibility indicates an infestation that was beyond out-of control.
When an infestation is that bad and that spread out, spraying almost anything will lead to a reduction in bedbug numbers.
But are all bedbugs eradicated in Jason's apt? Who knows? I don't think anyone can reliably get that answer out of this thread.
The fact that Jason tolerated such an out-of-control infestation for a while indicates to me that he may not consistently react to bed bug bites. Therefore, the absence of skin reactions on Jason - as with many people - is not conclusive evidence of eradication.
Jason is not seeing bedbugs swarming around his apartment anymore. So what? That doesn't mean there isn't still a smaller bedbug population in his apt hanging out - as they typically do - in concealed area. I had bedbugs for a few months, before finding one. Just one. Through the ordeal, I saw five bedbugs or less.
You want bedbugs completely eradicated from your home, keep reading. Self-treatment can work. But if you don't have the energy or capabilities to do intensive research beyond this thread, and comprehend and apply that research? Forget it. Go hire a professional.
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Ditto what spideyjg said.
I will just add this. The boards here are not public space, which is where freedom of speech applies. Private institutions do not guarantee freedom of speech. Private institution get to set whatever rules they want. This is why protests on, for example, church grounds or outside specific stores are often broken up--since freedom of speech and assembly are only fully protected (aside from exceptions like imminent threat and national security) in public spaces.
If a person doesn't like the rules in a particular forum, of course, he or she can always start his or her own community and set the rules as he or she desires.
Dragonsflight:
If you decide to repost that info to another thread, I would consider adding information on hotels and other travel. I didn't get my bed bugs from any of the sources you listed. (I didn't post this suggestion before because I didn't see the original message as it was posted when work was really busy). -
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Persona,
Perhaps you need to re-read my posts, I never said I had a "massive" infestation, or that bb's were running rampant on my balcony. Nor have I EVER said Ortho Home Defence Max was the silver bullet, in fact, i've consistantly said NOTHING is, including this product im using.
As far as my infestation goes, I said it was on the medium side, never massive.
But I will tell you one thing, Ortho has worked for ME, when NOTHING else did....including 2 pco's, well, 3 actually, but the 3rd one was a hack!
You say "so what" if I don't see, or get bitten anymore by bb's? Right, ok, I think I know where you're coming from. Makes perfect sense to me. Not!
I hate to break this little tidbit of news to you....but bb's often come back after the pco's are done, also. "SO WHAT" to this also? didn't think so. The difference is....it's not costing me thousands of dollars IF bb's do come back. And I don't think they will....but it's yet to be determined.
Also, since you did not read my posts, obviously, I said clearly....I DO have a bad reaction to bb bites. For some reason, you said I don't. Please get your facts straight. I'm not mad, it's just that you have made many errors in your posting.
I have not seen a SINGLE BUG, not ONE, in over 4 months, simple as that. This is after seeing bugs pretty much every single day for almost a year. Don't tell me "so what", that's ridiculous. The fact of the matter I am now bed bug free, and only spraying twice per month.....soon to be once a month, then not at all.
By the way, if you think it's only myself seeing excellent results with this product, you havn't read the thread very closely, or seen my pm's from others thanking me over and over for my help.
I'm bb free now, so the only reason I hang around here is so I can help others by sharing my success. For me, that is even more important than the success iv'e achieved!
There is a reason why this thread has 10,000 views....it's not smoke and mirrors either, lol.
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Will do, NoBugs, thanks!
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Jason1 - 1 hour ago »
There is a reason why this thread has 10,000 views....it's not smoke and mirrors either,You can bloat views easily by refreshing the thread and clicking on it repeatedly.
I think the relatively small number of people posting enthusiastically about these methods says more about how many people are interested than the view count.
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Persona,
Perhaps you need to re-read my posts, I never said I had a "massive" infestation, or that bb's were running rampant on my balcony. Nor have I EVER said Ortho Home Defence Max was the silver bullet, in fact, i've consistantly said NOTHING is, including this product im using.
Jason,
This why I'm suspicious of your situation. You describe it as a "medium" infestation. Your subjective view - your choice of that adjective - has me shaking my head. The fact that you would characterize an infestation as yours as "medium" is one of the reasons I'm extremely wary of your take on things.
Your own description involves seeing MULTIPLE bedbugs in every room of your home, roaming OUT in the OPEN - even on the balcony. The balcony. That is bananas! If they were on your balcony, then I'd be shocked if the infestation hadn't spread to more neighbors. Also, the bedbugs have been in your home for over year - probably more.
I would quote your some of your vivid descriptions of how you were besieged and attacked by these bugs, but that would send this post into spam.
By certain standards - like David Cain's scale for rating the severity of bedbug infestations - your description of your infestation would grade it on the upper reaches of his 1-10 scale.
I have not seen a SINGLE BUG, not ONE, in over 4 months, simple as that. This is after seeing bugs pretty much every single day for almost a year. Don't tell me "so what", that's ridiculous. The fact of the matter I am now bed bug free, and only spraying twice per month.....soon to be once a month, then not at all.
Take a look around the forums and FAQ and see how difficult they are to find. I was being bitten by bedbugs for at least three months before I saw a single bedbug. Dealing with a once-massive infestation like yours and then not seeing bedbugs walking out in the open does not mean they've been eradicated. For whatever reason, you just don't get it. You don't understand this basic concept of stealthy bedbug behavior. Another reason (among many) that I have real concerns about your take on things.
Look, I'm glad you found some relief, and the problem seems to have abated significantly. But you're holding court in here and dispensing some frankly fucked-up advice. People should be warned before they make a decision.
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Well, Persona, it may be "fu$$ed" up advice for YOU, but for myself, and the others who are having good results, we would take issue with that.
I fully understand their will always be people like yourself blasting certain self-treatments, but once again....what i'm doing is working when nothing else did. You can rant and rave, swear the f word all you like....but as long as I remain bb free, that's all that matters.
Have a nice weekend!
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I, for one, am grateful. Grateful for the site and grateful for the thread. Yes there are a lot of posts to get through but it is well worth it. Jason1 I'm glad you hang around to keep us informed of your progress which is starting to sound like victory IMO. For a person on a very tight budget, the knowledge of knowing I could self treat and have some sort of impact meant the world to me when I was in my level of deepest despair. Before I found this particular thread I wanted to just leave my house and all its belongings and hope that some friend/family member would take me and the dog in because a lot of the other posts made it seem like something insurmountable. Fast forward 103 days and I'm no longer waking up to bed bug bites, no longer coating my face, arms and neck with vaseline before going to bed at night.
Of course I also followed steps outlined in the FAQs, like laundering and bagging all of my clothes, encasing my mattress and box spring, moving my bed away from the wall, removed all pictures, etc from wall, removed curtains and (attempted to) caulk openings (I'm sure I missed most of them).
The info about over spraying was heeded and Jason1 himself admitted that he thought he may have done it a little more than he should have.
Nobugs, without this site I would have felt completely isolated and alone in my fight. Bugsyinsocal, your answers to my questions early on were comforting and offered some hope in regards to PCO treatment, knowing that at least one person was bb free after their treatment; but again my purse strings and living situation do not allow for the thermal treatment that you received. Though I realize the Ortho may not work forever...and I'm sure I will have to revisit the problem some time in the future considering the fact that I live in a townhome with the only thing separating me from my neighbor being a fire wall. But for now, the ortho has offered a solution to my problem and has been responsible for many, many restful nights.
Persona, I think your post was very relevant; it is quite possible that readers of this thread are skipping the other things that Jason1 did and going straight for the Ortho. That is definitely a BIG mistake.
Spideyjg, your research, especially on the whole DE issue back in the beginning was most helpful and prevented me from DEing my place as if I was preparing for a fish fry.
Dragonflight, you are like Jason1's security guard and I am very thankful that you encouraged Jason1 to stick around and report on progress.
In other words....can't we all just get along. We're all fighting a common enemy -- BedBugs, let's not fight with each other too.
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Jason,
Self-treatment can work.
I'm not anti-self-treatment, when people do their due diligence with research.
People who self-treat need to go to primary sources from entomologists and universities and research what to do. If they're going to do it, do it right. You CANNOT casually pick up this info by reading random posts on an internet message board.
I think you have difficulty grasping some basic concepts about bedbugs and how to properly use the quote function. If someone thinks your unproven and ill-informed assertions should not be accepted uncritically, then that doesn't mean they're angry at you. Just means they think people should be warned about the flaws on which you base your statements.
And doing what little I can to help others refrain from screwing themselves over in the long run by following bad advice is something I am passionate about. Sorry if I offended with the F-word. My intent was to communicate strongly.
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WEll done Personna - as usual your posts are spot on and very meaningful (not to mention your points are well put).
For what it may be worth I totally agree with your argument and the points you made even though I am a big advocate and believer in "well-informed" self treatment
i would love to see more of your rational and intelligents posts on some of these other threads that get crazy as well - could only help
we could use a level-headed intermediary sometimes
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DragonFlight - 15 hours ago »
Exactly what I had mentioned Jason. Unfortunately I don't have the message saved, that I wrote up because I didn't think that it was going to be deleted, especially after proof reading it. The only way it can be brought back is if it's not permanently deleted, in which case the burden lies on NoBugsOnMe.DragonFlight,
I have reinstated your post for 24 hours so you can copy it to a new thread with an appropriate title.DragonFlight's post has been recreated here:
http://bedbugger.com/forum/topic/how-bugs-can-spread-or-be-picked-up
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BBsonme - 31 minutes ago »
Spideyjg, your research, especially on the whole DE issue back in the beginning was most helpful and prevented me from DEing my place as if I was preparing for a fish fry.
:) I'm so stealing that analogy. LOL.
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Well said, and thank-you for the kind words BBsonme!
This is why I stick around, even though i'm bb free.....to help others, like yourself, if I can, from the success i've achieved.
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Well, I suppose we will just have to agree to dissagree, and leave it at that!
I understand what you're trying to say, I just don't agree with it, and you don't agree with me. What are ya gonna do? lol, it is what it is!
Anyway, i'm off to LA early tomorrow AM for 3 day's over the long-weekend. By the way, what is the holiday in the USA? Here in Canada it's Thanksgiving on Monday.
Better not be any freaking BB's in the LA hotels!
As someone else likes to say in this thread....wising everyone a bb-free weekend!
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Jason,
Self-treatment can work.
I'm not anti-self-treatment, when people do their due diligence with research.
People who self-treat need to go to primary sources from entomologists and universities and research what to do. If they're going to do it, do it right. You CANNOT casually pick up this info by reading random posts on an internet message board.
I think you have difficulty grasping some basic concepts about bedbugs and how to properly use the quote function. If someone thinks your unproven and ill-informed assertions should not be accepted uncritically, then that doesn't mean they're angry at you. Just means they think people should be warned about the flaws on which you base your statements.
And doing what little I can to help others refrain from screwing themselves over in the long run by following bad advice is something I am passionate about. Sorry if I offended with the F-word. My intent was to communicate strongly. -
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Come on now Nobugs, lol, do you really think I have nothing better to do than to sit around clicking "refresh" to increase page views ? ;)
Trust me, I do not get paid a penny from Ortho, so no benefit to me.
But there is always the Nobel Peace prize for '09. Oh wait....
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There is a reason why this thread has 10,000 views....it's not smoke and mirrors either,You can bloat views easily by refreshing the thread and clicking on it repeatedly.
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I can't believe the English major is about to analyze something statistical, but I feel like I have to since no one else has said it. It should be noted that to get to the most recent page of this thread, most people have to view a minimum of two pages of it. The link will take you to page one 1st, and then you have to click on page 5 to get to the most recent discussion. Even without purposeful totally artificial view inflation (i.e. someone repeatedly hitting refresh to inflate number of views), that skews the numbers on how many views this thread receives since each actual view will register as a minimum of two. For people who are going back and reading multiple pages, the numbers are even higher.
And when the English major is pointing out something about statistics, I would think that would be fairly convincing proof that that statistical fact in question should be obvious to everyone--English majors generally not being known for our mathematical prowess and all.
Of course, I don't evaluate threads by number of views anyway. I also know a little something about marketing, so I expect that the title of the thread is probably a pretty big draw. Had I entitled my thread on thermal as "Finally--Relief From Bed Bugs in One Treatment!" that thread would probably get a lot of hits too. Being a student of language and rhetoric, such a title struck me as not especially informative and veering towards the selling snake oil tone that tends to weaken the ethos of the writer. Since I take author credibility very seriously (occupational hazard), I thought I would have more credibility if my posts didn't sound like the snake oil fixes that so often get shopped around on the internet. Even if a strategy is legit, marketing it in a way that makes it sound like a non-legit one didn't seem like a good plan to me personally.
However, it's also worth noting that I was always the kid in school who resented the awards given for perfect attendance because even in elementary school I grasped the difference between quantity and quality, so I'm probably not to be trusted.
BBonme,
There are also plenty of people in the world who are bed bug free after successful chemical treatment from a PCO.I know that thermal's upfront cost puts it out of the reach of many, many people. The only reasons that I was able to afford thermal were that one, my landlord split the cost with me; two, it happened in a school year that I'd had more work than usual, so I had some savings set aside (unlike this year); and three, I was able to borrow some money from my family to cover what I had already laid out from those savings for other bed bug expenses. I have always been crystal clear that in another year, I would have been unable to afford thermal. That's one reason that I advocate now for more research into a wider variety of chemical pesticides; I know that not only can everyone not afford the upfront expense of thermal, but I also know that I'm lucky in that my landlord owns only a few units and lives on the property. That makes my landlord see tenants as more than sources of income which means a much greater chance of listening to what we have to say.
Not everyone is going to be in that position. Even tenants who can afford thermal may not have landlord who are willing to work with them.
Thermal is a great treatment option, and I wish it were more widely available. Part of that is personal: I already had insomnia before the bed bugs, so the thought of having to be bait would have sent me completely around the bend. Part of that is practical: I believe that bed bugs will adapt like any other pest, so relying on any one chemical pesticide is a bad strategy in the long run. In the medical world, treating antibiotics that way created an awful lot of drug resistant bacteria. Having a variety of treatment options available will help all of us in the long run.
However, it's also important to note that plenty of people do get relief from bed bugs with chemical treatment from a PCO without spending a fortune on it either. It's all about finding a good PCO. Yes, that takes work, and a lot of critical thinking and evaluation skills, but it's a good investment because what you're paying for is someone else's expertise.
I do understand that in some cases, people live in places where finding a good PCO is impossible. In that case, self-treatment, when done safely and with a lot of advance research, may be the only option.
But it wouldn't be my first choice knowing what I know now precisely because I know the limits of my own intelligence and experience.
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Bugsy, it was not my intent to imply that individuals with PCO treatment had little success. I was happy to hear that one person had success after treatment. Perhaps I should have used a period instead of a semicolon. That was the end of that thought; my next one being I personally cannot afford professional treatment, thermal, chemical, or otherwise.
I am not here to debate, but rather to learn. Your posts, like those of Jason1, Spideyjg, and others were very helpful -- Thank you {end of thought} :-)
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Update~~ Saw two dead in my washer today~~ Don’t know what killed them but they r dead! about 20 in my dryer vent so far!! besides the one adult the PCO pulled out of my encasement when he unzipped it!! I have only seen one!! Today in the laundry room !!an I don’t know how many I have vacuumed or moped up but I have not seen one in my kids or my room crawling around in the middle of the night like taken care of a baby I wake up at 11, 1, an 3 to check with out the alarm I have no clue why I am waking up like that but I go right back to sleep !!Don’t remember how long I have been spraying but My room gets it every two days!! Kids room Ever 4 days!! I haven’t been spraying much of the rest of the house Kids bathroom, kitchen, living room and dinning room and laundry room twice!! aired out each and every time!! I sprayed the outside of the house twice! with the outdoor!! Hepa filters in the kids room I had pre BB Just to be safe I am wearing gloves and wrapping the bottle in a old towel while I spray not to get any on the important stuff like Beds and clothes!! then I throw it away! I am also wearing a mask!! I haven’t sealed too much of my house Just mainly my room Cause of the smell!! going to send kids away for a day or so, so I can do some real Sealing next weekend! I still don’t know about PCO haven’t found A good one yet!! So far!! I still have time with the ORTHO working so good I know Its probably driving them deeper in to the house and will be harder to treat but SO WHAT I have not been bitten in a very long time and the kids either !
Do any of you think that they r living on the squirrels and possums out side!! My sores are slowly going away just like the panic!! Clean body clear head~~ Thank god I work seasonal !! I still told my boss an co workers!! Cause I have been attending class two times a week!! Just to be safe!! My husband also told his boss an co-workers!! Very supportive and now THEY know to take precautions around us and all my family and friends have checked there house an said they will keep checking!! !! For now!!
I have been sober 4~~ almost ~~10~~ years now!! Right before I found this thread I was on the verge of going down and picking up a bottle!! So thank all of you who have said Kind words and advised me!! I have really learned a lot~~
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I can't believe the English major is about to analyze something statistical, but I feel like I have to since no one else has said it. It should be noted that to get to the most recent page of this thread, most people have to view a minimum of two pages of it. The link will take you to page one 1st, and then you have to click on page 5 to get to the most recent discussion.Experienced users may know to click on "Latest reply from..." two lines under the thread title, and go to the latest post directly. Just a tip!
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My room gets it every two days!! Kids room Ever 4 days!! I haven’t been spraying much of the rest of the house Kids bathroom, kitchen, living room and dinning room and laundry room twice!!All the rah rah Jason cheerleaders won't care but you are putting down a substance that is highly diluted to .05%, the carrier evaporates leaving a residue that is toxic to insects for 12 months.
So you reapply it 2-4 days later, that carrier evaporates, leaving more residue, and has now doubled the amount of toxic material on that surface! The first application hasn't broken down. You do it again and again and again and again and you magnify the concentration of pesticide over and over. Increasing the risk in magnitudes.
Nobody following Jason's methods seem to give a damn about this but it is fact.
You are free to poison your home by over application or misapplication going against the makers label but don't say people haven't warned you.
Jason will come back and say I'm am against self treating blah blah blah but I'm not.
I am against any treatment that endangers human health, be it done by a hack PCO or a self treater.
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Jim so is the ORTHO a residual killer on top of contact killer for BB!! Because I thought it was just a contact killer and repelled them!! Deeper into my home! I also have been wiping the stuff off before I spray more with MrClean W/febreze then I let dry over night then spray the next morning! Sorry I forgot to mention that just to much I am doing to put in words! !those are just the basics things I am doing! The only cheering I will be doing is at the kids games and when I get rid of these d** bugs!! I am just thankful I did not in fact pick up a bottle of alcohol instead I got in to my car drove to nearest WALMART and picked up a bottle of ORTHO instead you forget these things drive people to insanity and suicide and in my case almost drove me to drink!!now I will in 6 nonths be able to say 10 sober!!
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an another thought about BB going deeper in to my housespraying the ORTHO!! Shouldn't the PCO treat the WHOLE house not just one room including outside!! whith all the money I see alot of people have been payin and that I an going to fork out!! I mean If they dont then what is purpose of them coming in !! There is always going to be a chance that they got some where else!!Right or wrong!!I see right!! I am going to pay Them to do a job thats what they need to be doing!! any employer looks at it that way !!
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I've posted the thread again in a new subject, it is a important FYI that I think everyone should read because most think of the common ways they can pick up bed bugs but over look the uncommon ways and that FYI opens the doors to the possibilities because I believe if a roach can hide there then so can a bed bug.
To a extent you have relate bed bugs, roaches and lice as having similar common ways of getting around. Roaches can get in your bed, I've had this encounter once at a place I lived at a long time ago but the difference is they won't bite you for blood they just will run aimlessly. On the other hand Lice and Bed Bugs need blood and both will hide in clothes, beds, pillows, sofas, baseball caps, you name it. When you're at the store don't try on a article of clothing your best recommendation is to buy it, wash it, try it on keep the receipt and if it doesn't fit, return it. It's work that is true, but you'll save yourself more grief in the end then becoming Inspector gadget if you go the self-treatment method, or money if your insistent on a PCO.
There has been numerous articles written in the 30's and 40's on bed bugs, as lot of todays seniors did live with them or had to deal with them during one of the first two World Wars, they had to do practices so once they had eliminated them, they wouldn't return. As a society we have abandoned all these practices. In the past decade bed bugs have returned with a vengeance, we can learn from past mistakes until a solid, safe solution is amongst us which at the rate, levels of governments are going could be a very long time so our only solution is to adopt the practices of the past into our lives of today.
The Ortho product, has not been tested with bed bugs, and Ortho has responded to a few members here who have written Ortho on the "Home Defense Max" product, but the miracle comes in that it does work on bed bugs, that is what Jason has to be given a big thank you for, because neither I or many others would have walked into a store and randomly picked up this product. Bed bugs don't realize it's there, therefore they won't hide from it, instead they cross it and only after realizing what they've done it's too late and they die, the main ingredient in the Canadian version of Ortho is based from a flower, you read right, a earth grown flower. This flower has an extract that not only do bed bugs but other bugs hate, which is why they won't go on the flower, destroying someones beautiful array of flowers just by spraying this natural chemical. How long before bed bugs get immune to this chemical is unknown, but we can only hope they never get immune to it.
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Watkins, please, please do not spray your room or your children's room anymore. Please go back to the beginning of this thread and read the warnings about spraying this chemical. Yes it works on bed bugs. But you do not want to risk you or your children's health to kill the bugs.
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Digitalis comes from a flower (foxglove) too; doesn't mean it's safe to be exposed to in large doses.
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I am going to only do one more treatment on my Laundry room (Cause I saw a live one in there in the laundry)today then wait to see!! I think I have found a PCO I contacted them through email just waiting to hear! Adcock Pest Control Services they are an hour and a half away so lets see if they will service my area!! they have every thing in there website I am looking for! I may even look in to a contract with them!! Lets all cross our fingers!! anyone heard of them! This is the 5th PCO I have contacted!! PCO # 1 incompetent!! 2 no call back in 4 days (All good pest solutions)!! 3 un trust worthy 4 incompetent!! SO ORTHO may or may not be a permanent fix but it is something that help me!! an who knows I may of only had to spray one or two times for the stuff to work!! NO bites an none around beds!! But do you think they are living on the squirrels and possums and armadillos outside!!I do!!!
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Jim so is the ORTHO a residual killer on top of contact killer for BB!! Because I thought it was just a contact killer and repelled them!!Anything that says it last for X months is a form of residual. Many products that have residual killing ability will kill on contact also.
If anything says last for X months, you apply it per the label and leave it alone. If pest activity returns quickly, consider other options.
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I never really wrote in this thread because I can’t stand typing about nonsense like this. Each time I see the topic of this thread I think of the father from My Big Fat Greek Wedding (with his trusted bottle of Fantastic).
I think this thread has gone on long enough but a few facts are missing.
Fact: Hot water will kill bed bugs & end an infestation.
Fact: A shoe will kill bed bugs & end an infestation.
Fact: A blow torch will kill bed bugs & end an infestation.
Fact: Scotch tape will kill bed bugs & end an infestation.
Fact: Fantastic will kill bed bugs & end an infestation.
Fact: yada yada yada … etc. etc. etc!!!!The point is you can throw a bed out in some infestations and solve the problem or buy something over the counter and use it according to the label and solve the problem. Each bed bug case is different and not everything will work for everyone. To keep this thread open/going is a JOKE! The person who wrote the thread did not find the cure for Polio. He got lucky solving a simple bed bug infestation.
I can’t tell you how many times as a PROFESSIONAL I see cases worse off because of store bought products used incorrectly. 3 months ago I was hired to treat a 2 family home that had bed bugs for over a year (14 months if memory serves me correct) with multiple treatments by another professional; the problem was not solved. The treatments failed because the adjoining house had a problem that was not known by anyone but the occupant of that 3 bedroom space next door.
The landlord who lived below this tenant was never told anything and never saw a bug in her home.After I realized this was a migration issue I insisted I get access to the house next door. The home next door to my original client had bed bugs for at least 18 months. Not a very long inspection!
There was not 1 room in the house that didn’t have bed bugs. They were on the ceiling of the dining room, you couldn’t look more then 4 inches along the carpet without seeing a bug, and every piece of furniture had bugs in it. Inside door frame molding, sitting right on window sills exposed, pictures, TV stands, you name it … there were bugs everywhere!!Point of the story, he to (the tenant that told nobody) was spraying product he bought and caused the bugs to migrate to 2 other apartments next door. Plus the fact that he made his own problem worse because the bugs would move away from suitable harborage to escape his spray and pray product. This guy caused people thousands of dollars, countless sleepless nights, and God only knows how much stress and anxiety.
This thread is kept alive by pointless posts of dribble from people also clueless about pesticides or bed bug biology. It’s as if a few are trying to ensure this thread stays alive & why I don’t know. But one thing is true, my phone rings 20 times a day because people research the web and find the biggest mistake they can do is try and treat bed bugs themselves.
If anyone wants to self treat I’ll lend out my 223 rifle and you can take aim in your home. I would bank on better results than a product that claims a 12 month residual.
YOU GOT LUCKY (FANTASTIC) …… NOTHING MORE!
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Hello Jason,
First I want to say that I do not understand why people are always looking for someting to pick up on. You are just trying to help and I am sure you did.
Secondly, I myslef have a bb issue that started in mid June. For about 2 months there was nothing and then it snowballed and since then I have bites every night. I moved out to my boyfriend house and some how brough bb with me. I dont know how I got the in the first place. Roomates, friends, people in the building? Who knows?
Anyways, I bought Ortho and sprayed around the house today and I hope it will work.
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OK I confess I don't have the time nor energy to wade through all 5 pages of post again but my only addition is a note of caution.
I have seen an increase in the number of cases of people with advanced pesticide poisoning in the UK many of whom started their journeys on the path of self treatment. One that springs to mind I sensibly refused to treat because I saw no fresh sign of bed bug activity. The person had bite like symptoms, itching symptoms and could feel their skin crawl.
I was concerned enough to remove some of the floor board for HPLC analysis and was shocked at a long list of chemicals that had been used. The net effect of which was to create a toxic soup in the room which was producing the bites, itches and crawling sensations.
Just because you can pull the trigger spray easily does not mean you should be doing so every day. Just like cleaning too much can be bad for you and can effect the time it takes to eradicate bed bugs.
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petlady - 7 hours ago »
Hello Jason,
First I want to say that I do not understand why people are always looking for someting to pick up on. You are just trying to help and I am sure you did.
Secondly, I myslef have a bb issue that started in mid June. For about 2 months there was nothing and then it snowballed and since then I have bites every night. I moved out to my boyfriend house and some how brough bb with me. I dont know how I got the in the first place. Roomates, friends, people in the building? Who knows?
Anyways, I bought Ortho and sprayed around the house today and I hope it will work.
I will keep you updated.Ah well, you know, can't please everyone, lol.
When I first began posting, the negative comments regarding what I was doing somewhat buged me (no pun intended) but now I really couldn't care in the slightest....not with the success myself and others have had, and continuing to have.
But hey, it's good to get both sides. Some of the negative comments are legitimate concerns. Not all of them are angry and baseless, and/or from grumpy pco's worried they are losing potential customers to self-treatment.
A big part of the problem with the negative side.....and this has been brought up by myself and others, is that all they can see is the "spraying". They didn't bother to read about the other steps I tooke, like the chaulking, etc. Yes, Ortho was the catalyst, I have no doubt about that.....but the other things I did were a big help, for which I have no doubt aboout either.
After all the talk and back and forth.....the bottom line is this, i've been completely and 100% bb free (sightings and bites) for well over 4 months now, almost 5.
Except for spraying "every day" like I did at the beginning of self-treatment, I would not have changed a thing, nothing. The reason I would not have sprayed every day like I did....is because it doesn't look as if I had to. Also, their could be health concerns with spraying so often, at least with the USA version of the product.
Sorry to hear about your bb problem. And yes, please do keep us updated.
Good luck!
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petlady - 9 hours ago »
Hello Jason,
First I want to say that I do not understand why people are always looking for someting to pick up on. You are just trying to help and I am sure you did.
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Anyways, I bought Ortho and sprayed around the house today and I hope it will work.
I will keep you updated.No offense, but I don't understand why people would join a website about bed bugs, and within one hour of joining the website, post that they had run out and followed the first piece of advice they read.
That's what it looks like, anyway.
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