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  1. Jason1

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    Posted 7 months ago
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    ""My eggs are hatching!!!!""

    Well use protection next time :)

    Sorry, I saw an opening, hehe!

    If we don't use humour from time to time we WILL go crazy.

    Don't get rid of them ALL....you wanted to save a few for the pco didn't you? Just make sure those ones are in a sealed jar or whatever....they can't get to you. Put them somewhere out of sight out of mind.

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    Hey Jason1... thanks for the idea about using the Ortho Home Defense Max. I haven't used it as prolifically as you have, but I've met with some success.

    Our house was not well maintained, so I sprayed it in all places where the wood paneling was not sealed properly and I also created a "Ring of DEATH" around our bed. I also went so far as to spray our metal bed frame and the under side of the box spring.

    So far, so good. I haven't seen any bed bugs anywhere... and I do twice daily bed checks. I also sprayed parts of our infested couch. We sprayed the carpet underneath the couch, the underside of the couch, and the flappies at the base of the couch where I actually saw the bugs... and we haven't seen any more bugs on the couch either!

    Granted, it's only been about 7 days... but it's nice to actually go a day without seeing these little monsters. If only my bites would heal so I could know they are gone!

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    Hey Kim,

    You're very welcome, i'm glad it's working out for you.

    It's really good to hear that so far, everyone reporting back on this thread, using the ortho. is meeting with success. Even those not spraying as often as I did at the beginning. And it would seem I didn't have to spray as often as I did....and those that arn't, are getting similar, if not identical results.

    Please be careful you don't spray anywhere you will come in direct contact with the spray. IE: sitting area of your couch, boxspring, etc. Although I believe you said the "underside"....so that's up to you. Just be careful is all.

    Continued good luck to you!

    Kimberleena - 13 hours ago  » 
    Hey Jason1... thanks for the idea about using the Ortho Home Defense Max. I haven't used it as prolifically as you have, but I've met with some success.
    Our house was not well maintained, so I sprayed it in all places where the wood paneling was not sealed properly and I also created a "Ring of DEATH" around our bed. I also went so far as to spray our metal bed frame and the under side of the box spring.
    So far, so good. I haven't seen any bed bugs anywhere... and I do twice daily bed checks. I also sprayed parts of our infested couch. We sprayed the carpet underneath the couch, the underside of the couch, and the flappies at the base of the couch where I actually saw the bugs... and we haven't seen any more bugs on the couch either!
    Granted, it's only been about 7 days... but it's nice to actually go a day without seeing these little monsters. If only my bites would heal so I could know they are gone!

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    Posted 7 months ago
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    I took a little of your advice and sprayed when I first found the forum. Did it twice during the week and let the PCO take it from there. I must say the frequency of bites went down. Now that the PCO came through I am feeling relieved .

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    Good to hear, Akuma.

    How long has it been?

    Akuma - 7 minutes ago  » 
    I took a little of your advice and sprayed when I first found the forum. Did it twice during the week and let the PCO take it from there. I must say the frequency of bites went down. Now that the PCO came through I am feeling relieved .

  6. Jason1

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    Hey folks,

    Time for my weekly update.

    Now into 7 weeks, and like last week, and a few weeks before that....nothing has changed really. Everything is continuing to look extremely possitive. No bb sightings, dead or alive. I keep waiting for the dam to "break", lol. Only because after having bb's for almost a year....it's hard to believe that, most likely, this is the end.

    The next 4-5 weeks will tell all. I refuse to breath too easy just yet.

    I'm spraying today, as I havn't sprayed for 2 weeks. I've decided to stay on bi-monthly for the duration.

    That's pretty much it....not much to report. But that's a good thing....(as Martha Stewart would say) I can't stand that woman....wish she would get bb's!

    Have a great weekend everyone, and thanks for all the input. Pro, con, indifferent....everything!

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    I promised myself that I wouldn't deal with anything that involved bed bugs today. No decluttering, no hunting, no internet surfing. My eyes have been strained all week from trying to spy the buggers. I'm exhausted, although I did get a good night's sleep at my boyfriend's house last night. I have a lot more decluttering to do before I can even get to the caulking phase. But tonight I'm resting.

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    Good plan.

    You don't want your life consumed with bed bugs. Have to take a break from it whenever you can.....or it will definately drive you nuts and take over your life.

    I don't think the paranoia EVER completely goes away though. Every time I feel an itch, or see/feel a piece of lint or whatever in my bed, the heart begins to pump a little faster, and the anxiety begins!

    BBsonme - 16 hours ago  » 
    I promised myself that I wouldn't deal with anything that involved bed bugs today. No decluttering, no hunting, no internet surfing. My eyes have been strained all week from trying to spy the buggers. I'm exhausted, although I did get a good night's sleep at my boyfriend's house last night. I have a lot more decluttering to do before I can even get to the caulking phase. But tonight I'm resting.

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    Here's a perfect example of just how little health care professionals know about bb's, at least many of them.

    A story was on our local news over the weekend about a lady who tooke her 8 yr old daughter to 3 seperate doctors, over 2 days, as well as her local hospital emergency ward, before someone finally said "oh those are bed bug bites".

    One doctor said he was SURE it was an allergic reaction of some kind. The other two doctors claimed they were mosquito/spider bites. An intern at the hospital was the one who said they were definately bb bites. This poor little girl had bites all over her body. Arms, shoulders, legs, back.

    This is quite alarming considering thier have been a number of news reports about the increasing bb problem in this area. One would think doctors, etc, would be up to date on what to look for, rather than simply making generalizations when they see a red spot, blotch, whatever!

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    I went to the shore on the Saturday, in my attempt to live bb free. Spent the evening strolling the boardwalk with my boyfriend and when I got home, in my bathroom I noticed a slight itching on my leg. I couldn't see any sign of a bite, just itching. The next day, there were definitely a bites there. They don't look like my normal bb bite. There are two areas, about an inch apart, smaller than the big "egg" reaction I get on my arm but I'm certain they are bed bug bites because they itch like hell!

    In regards to the girl with the bb bites, how are we ever to control the problem if no one knows the problems exist until its too late?

    **sigh** Here's hoping the bed bugs don't bite tonight.

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    BBsonme - 56 minutes ago  » 
    I went to the shore on the Saturday, in my attempt to live bb free. Spent the evening strolling the boardwalk with my boyfriend and when I got home, in my bathroom I noticed a slight itching on my leg. I couldn't see any sign of a bite, just itching. The next day, there were definitely a bites there. They don't look like my normal bb bite. There are two areas, about an inch apart, smaller than the big "egg" reaction I get on my arm but I'm certain they are bed bug bites because they itch like hell!
    **sigh** Here's hoping the bed bugs don't bite tonight.

    Shore as in beach? Ever heard of sand fleas? Could be the cause.

    Jim

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    5:48 pm, waiting for PCO. The telephone conversation went well, he appeared very knowledgable, told me a little about bed bug habits -- nocturnal creatures, parasitic, usually hide within 3 - 5 feet from the bed, female can lay up to 500 eggs, etc; etc. He also told me that the treatment for one room would cost $405. They like to treat the main bedroom and atttached rooms, and usually do at least two treatments. Sometimes three. I have two bedrooms, an office and bathroom on the second floor. First treatment alone would cost $1620. The second treatment 14 -21 days later would be another $1620. I now understand the do-it-yourselfer. If I didn't pay my mortgage, my gas, electric, water, cable and food bill I think I could just about swing it. By the way, this expensive treatment comes with a 30 day guarantee. I imagine a scenario where I have a foreclosure sign posted outside my home, no electricity, running water or food and am living bed bug free for a whopping 30 days. But, I guess on the bright side of things...if I have no food I can lose those 5 extra pounds that just never come off and if I have no home I have no bed bugs. Sounds like a win-win!! NOT.

    BTW, some of my eggs have hatched. They've gone from a brown colored object resembling short grain rice, to a white object that sort of wiggled and now there are some black/brown things that are moving very, very quickly. Too fast to actually identify but I think they may have wings. The alcohol I poured on some of the eggs seems to have destroyed them.

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    PCO #2 has left the building. He had a flashlight!!!!! That put him about 100,000 miles ahead of PCO #1 as far as I'm concerned. He was unable to find any signs of the bugs. After checking my walls, corners, baseboard and mattress/pillow encasement. He recommended a monitoring system as opposed to treatment at this stage. BTW, $405 covers first, second and third treatment if needed. Monitoring system will cost me between 300 to 400 dollars to lease. He will speak to his boss about getting the price dropped. I like this guy. For $299 he will treat just the bedroom with no guarantee. He told me what products he uses, all of which I forgot but he said its a combination of three products. Hmmm, what were the names of those products? I'll come back to that one.

    My eggs, he thought they were more of a fabric dweller and definitely not bed bug eggs.

    In the end we spent about 45 minutes together, he answered all of my questions and will call me in the morning to let me know if he can do anything about coming down on the price of the monitoring unit.

    He also stated that he wants to get into the home next to mine. He said he COULD NOT treat my home and charge that amount of money without being able to get into the house next door. His suggestion "speak with the homeowner/slumlord and tell him that I was having my home inspected and that he would do a free inspection in his home also. If said homeowner/slumlord refuses I could call the county health department to report him.

    I like PCO #2.

    PCO #3 comes on Thursday. I think I like #2 but we will see what #3 says.

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    Well that's much better than the first pco you had. Mind you it could'nt have been any worse, lol.

    At least is sounds as though this guy seems to know what he's talking about, and answered ALL your questions....rather than just a few.

    300-400 for monitoring sounds reasonable I guess....although i'd try to talk them down a little if you can. Still seems a little high to me....although i'm a little biased because of the success i've had with self-treatment, costing me less than 20 dollars per-month. Then again, self-treatment may not work for everyone....I don't know.

    That quote of 3,240.00 you got over the phone for just 2 treatments, is messed up. No way should it cost that much. Anyone charging this kind of money...and getting it....must be living in mansions with gold-plated toilets.

    Good luck with visit #3....keep us posted on the results.

    PS, that sucks about the bb bite while at the seawall. But as Spidey mentioned.....hopefully it wasn't a bb? It's especially bad when you try to get away from the problem for a few days....and it follows you. That happened to me when I had bb's, even though I was so careful with my clothing, etc. The damn things are so small and sneaky, it's just impossible sometimes to find them!

    BBsonme - 1 hour ago  » 
    PCO #2 has left the building. He had a flashlight!!!!! That put him about 100,000 miles ahead of PCO #1 as far as I'm concerned. He was unable to find any signs of the bugs. After checking my walls, corners, baseboard and mattress/pillow encasement. He recommended a monitoring system as opposed to treatment at this stage. BTW, $405 covers first, second and third treatment if needed. Monitoring system will cost me between 300 to 400 dollars to lease. He will speak to his boss about getting the price dropped. I like this guy. For $299 he will treat just the bedroom with no guarantee. He told me what products he uses, all of which I forgot but he said its a combination of three products. Hmmm, what were the names of those products? I'll come back to that one.
    My eggs, he thought they were more of a fabric dweller and definitely not bed bug eggs.
    In the end we spent about 45 minutes together, he answered all of my questions and will call me in the morning to let me know if he can do anything about coming down on the price of the monitoring unit.
    He also stated that he wants to get into the home next to mine. He said he COULD NOT treat my home and charge that amount of money without being able to get into the house next door. His suggestion "speak with the homeowner/slumlord and tell him that I was having my home inspected and that he would do a free inspection in his home also. If said homeowner/slumlord refuses I could call the county health department to report him.
    I like PCO #2.
    PCO #3 comes on Thursday. I think I like #2 but we will see what #3 says.

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    By the way, what's the deal with getting into the apartment "next door"?

    Is the pco saying he will have to charge more if he can't treat your neighbors, as well?

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    Many, many, many thanks to EffeCi -- he looked at the pictures that I took and was able to identify my findings. It's too bad the pictures didn't make it through the spam filter. In my hunt for BBs I found carpenter beetle cast skins, fly pupae and a cockroach nymph (so now maybe I have bed bugs and cockroaches -- ugh!).

    No Jason1, PCO#2 isn't charging more money to treat if he can't enter next door. Basically he stated it would be pointless for me to spend so much money on treatment if the problem is in the home next door and they're coming through the walls. He wouldn't be able to guarantee that I wouldn't have a reinfestation in six months if that were the case. He wants to access the walls on the other side of my home to find out if there is any activity. He also stated that my infestation, if I have one is very mild and therefore he'd like to see me get a monitoring station before starting anything. One other point he stressed, he recommended (like many on this site have) putting the legs of my bed in mineral oil.

    My bites on my ankles....probably were sand fleas. They itched for about a day and a half and went away.

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    Oh ok, cool. This guy sounds honest and knows what he's talking about.

    Good luck with #3....keep us updated.

    Yea, definately could have been sand fleas. Hopefully that's all it was.

    I damn near jumped out of my skin this morning. 5:30 am, wake-up, and the first thing I see....laying right next to my arm....a bug!

    Of course, I imediately freaked, raising my blood pressure about 100 fold....and about to hunt for some Valium. Just than, as I was about to capture/destroy the "bug"....it sprouted wings and flew away....a fly. Never was I so happy to see one of those, lol. Because I juse woke up, my eyes weren't focused....otherwise I would have clearly determined it wasn't a bb.

    Just another example, for which their are MANY, of the psychological damage bed bugs can do to someone. And really, that's a pretty mild example. Im pretty sure for many people, the psychological damage lasts a lifetime!

    BBsonme - 19 hours ago  » 
    Many, many, many thanks to EffeCi -- he looked at the pictures that I took and was able to identify my findings. It's too bad the pictures didn't make it through the spam filter. In my hunt for BBs I found carpenter beetle cast skins, fly pupae and a cockroach nymph (so now maybe I have bed bugs and cockroaches -- ugh!).
    No Jason1, PCO#2 isn't charging more money to treat if he can't enter next door. Basically he stated it would be pointless for me to spend so much money on treatment if the problem is in the home next door and they're coming through the walls. He wouldn't be able to guarantee that I wouldn't have a reinfestation in six months if that were the case. He wants to access the walls on the other side of my home to find out if there is any activity. He also stated that my infestation, if I have one is very mild and therefore he'd like to see me get a monitoring station before starting anything. One other point he stressed, he recommended (like many on this site have) putting the legs of my bed in mineral oil.
    My bites on my ankles....probably were sand fleas. They itched for about a day and a half and went away.

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    LOL a fly. I love flies at this point. I cancelled PCO #3 and decided to go with the bed risers/mineral oil combination for now. I'm guessing that is the only way to find out if I actually have bed bugs. While I thought I eyed a definite bed bug sitting atop my comforter, I now think it may have been *ugh* a cockroach nymph. Never been so happy to have cockroaches either. In all my hunting I've found one cockroach nymph crawling on the floor between my rug and hardwood floor, some fly eggs and carpenter beetle cast skins. I'm still laundering, decluttering and vaccumming to be safe.

    I went to the gym tonight, put my bag in the locker and then wondered who might have had there bag there before mine and whether or not they have bed bugs. Yoga class was also a bit stressful as I held my downward dog position all I could think of is who might have brought bbs with them tonight. Compounded by all of this thinking was the fact that the bb population is on the rise and the human population is very ignorant to this fact.

    Olympics in Vancouver or anywhere is very scary right now.

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    Good idea, go the self-treatment route at this point. The bed risers/mineral oil have worked for many others. If that doesn't work, try something else....or combination.

    You know, as much as I hate cockroaches, I would definately have had preferred to have them, rather than bb's. At least with cockroaches they don't normally crawl all over you, and NEVER do they bite humans. Just ugly and creepy is all. Other than that, harmless.

    As for the gym, etc, it's paranoia. I'm the same way, probably worse. Always wondering who was there "before" me....no matter where it is.

    Yea, the Winter Olympics next February i'm really not looking forward too. I live right downtown Vancouver....pretty much ground zero for where most of the tourists will be staying in the major hotels. Also ground zero for most of the partying. As well a few of the venues are just blocks away from me....like ice hockey. Also medal presentations. Opening/closing ceremonies a 10 minute walk from where I live.

    BBsonme - 18 hours ago  » 
    LOL a fly. I love flies at this point. I cancelled PCO #3 and decided to go with the bed risers/mineral oil combination for now. I'm guessing that is the only way to find out if I actually have bed bugs. While I thought I eyed a definite bed bug sitting atop my comforter, I now think it may have been *ugh* a cockroach nymph. Never been so happy to have cockroaches either. In all my hunting I've found one cockroach nymph crawling on the floor between my rug and hardwood floor, some fly eggs and carpenter beetle cast skins. I'm still laundering, decluttering and vaccumming to be safe.
    I went to the gym tonight, put my bag in the locker and then wondered who might have had there bag there before mine and whether or not they have bed bugs. Yoga class was also a bit stressful as I held my downward dog position all I could think of is who might have brought bbs with them tonight. Compounded by all of this thinking was the fact that the bb population is on the rise and the human population is very ignorant to this fact.
    Olympics in Vancouver or anywhere is very scary right now.

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    Jason1 waiting for this week's update. Any sitings, any bites? I found a tick on my wall today. It was definitely a tick. No doubt about it. A bee was flying around in my window between the window and the screen. Seems like my place is a mecca for insects of all sorts. I would have never found any of these things before. Oh I can't forget the spider that I found in the basement. The good news is that all of these things succumbed to the Indika bb (ingredients pyethrins, piperonyl butoxide and amorphous silica (DE) killer that I purchased. I mixed it with water and dish detergent so that I didn't have to deal with the dust.

    In addition to all of my decluttering I put double sided carpet tape above my bed just in case something crawls on the ceiling and sprayed my bed frame with the Ortho.

    There have been no real bites for me since June 28, unless you count the bites I got at the beach. I still coat my face and arms with vaseline so I can't say for sure that they are not there, they just aren't biting. No signs yet in my mineral oil moat but I'm sure it's way too soon to tell with that one.

    Here's wishing everyone a bite free weekend!!

    Just one more thing Jason1, how fast did you dive for your Ortho when you spotted that fly with your eyes half shut???? LOL!!!

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    I'll give my weekly update later today or tomorrow. Everything is pretty much as it was last week....so needless to say i'm very pleased and encouraged.

    Good news about it only being a tick you had.

    Sounds like the self-treatment steps you're taking are very well thought out, and that good results will most likely result from them.

    I agree, probably too early to find anything....re mineral oil.

    Yes, the Ortho is always close at hand (right beside the bed actually) just in case the worst happens. But the bb turned fly flew away just as I was reaching for the magic elixer, lol!

    BBsonme - 20 hours ago  » 
    Jason1 waiting for this week's update. Any sitings, any bites? I found a tick on my wall today. It was definitely a tick. No doubt about it. A bee was flying around in my window between the window and the screen. Seems like my place is a mecca for insects of all sorts. I would have never found any of these things before. Oh I can't forget the spider that I found in the basement. The good news is that all of these things succumbed to the Indika bb (ingredients pyethrins, piperonyl butoxide and amorphous silica (DE) killer that I purchased. I mixed it with water and dish detergent so that I didn't have to deal with the dust.
    In addition to all of my decluttering I put double sided carpet tape above my bed just in case something crawls on the ceiling and sprayed my bed frame with the Ortho.
    There have been no real bites for me since June 28, unless you count the bites I got at the beach. I still coat my face and arms with vaseline so I can't say for sure that they are not there, they just aren't biting. No signs yet in my mineral oil moat but I'm sure it's way too soon to tell with that one.
    Here's wishing everyone a bite free weekend!!
    Just one more thing Jason1, how fast did you dive for your Ortho when you spotted that fly with your eyes half shut???? LOL!!!

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    Time once again for my weekly update.

    Now into 8 weeks bed bug free.

    No bites in 8 weeks, and no signs whatsoever, in over 4 weeks, of bb's....dead or alive!

    Still spraying bi-monthly.

    The only other thing i'm doing, besides spraying the Ortho, is vaccuming more than I would normally. Other than that, nothing. The caulking is all done.

    After another 3-4 weeks, and assuming things stay the way they are.....I think it will be safe to claim success. I feel 3 months is a good timeframe.

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    The cockroach problem seems to be getting worse, also. They seem to be mostly confined to slumlord hotels, apartments, etc.

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    Jason,

    I haven't been reading this thread regularly, so forgive me if this has been addressed, but I'm curious - I noticed earlier on that you said:

    That's one thing, among others, that I havn't done....."bagging". It just sounds like such a nightmare to go through all that.

    If the PCO said you should bag your stuff, and you didn't, then is it really accurate to say the PCO's treatment didn't work? The bb's could have been hiding in unbagged stuff and simply reinfested your digs.

    Again, please forgive me if this was addressed in the thread. I'm hesitant to get involved in this discussion overall, but this one point has been niggling at me, and I'm curious about it, so I just searched out the reference and thought I'd see if you could clarify.

    Good luck to you!

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    Hey Stricken,

    Honestly, the only thing that was ever mentioned to me about "bagging" was in regards to my clothing, and when doing laundry. Which is something I still do and will continue to do until i'm certain all is clear.

    Everything in my closets have been gone through with a fine tooth comb.....even with a magnifying glass, and nothing has ever been found. Not much cluttering, but I decluttered what I thought could be a problem just in case.

    Thanks!

    stricken - 22 hours ago  » 
    Jason,
    I haven't been reading this thread regularly, so forgive me if this has been addressed, but I'm curious - I noticed earlier on that you said:

    That's one thing, among others, that I havn't done....."bagging". It just sounds like such a nightmare to go through all that.

    If the PCO said you should bag your stuff, and you didn't, then is it really accurate to say the PCO's treatment didn't work? The bb's could have been hiding in unbagged stuff and simply reinfested your digs.
    Again, please forgive me if this was addressed in the thread. I'm hesitant to get involved in this discussion overall, but this one point has been niggling at me, and I'm curious about it, so I just searched out the reference and thought I'd see if you could clarify.
    Good luck to you!

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    Thanks Jason.
    Was just curious, because even though I'm not finding any bugs in my stuff (thank god), I am still sealing it off in case a straggler wants to find its way in. But I agree, it's a lot of work!

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    Okay, after another night of insomnia in my bed bug hell....I have finally decided to post. I have been reading your posts for about two weeks now. I have not slept for two straight days in a row b/c of these little suckers. I have yet to see one but I do believe that I saw two nymphs the other day. I started getting really itchy about 2 1/2 weeks ago. I had just moved, used a comercial moving company. I started feeling small prickly pins at night on my legs, no rash. I started to get small bumps on my back and face 1 1/2 weeks ago. I keep on feeling the pins and needles at night but still unable to see them. I got DE and applied a light dusting around the apt, around my bed and sofa area. Kept on hearing popping, I guess the sound of bedbugs/insect dying? So I guess its working. I have an apointment w an exterminator today. Hopefully he could get rid of them and I could sleep again. Do you guys feel the pins and needle sensation too?

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    Sorry to hear about the hell you're going through with bb's.

    Hopefully you'll get some answers today....such as, is it for sure bb's you have, and if so, how bad an infestation.

    I didn't get the "pins and needles" feeling, but I did feel them crawling on me, which was the worst, imo. And of course the itching feeling. But everyone is different, the pins and needles feeling could be specific to you.

    As for the "popping"...i've never used DE, so I don't know. Perhaps someone who has used it would be able to answer this question.

    Good luck today....let us know what happened will you?

    itchysis - 9 hours ago  » 
    Okay, after another night of insomnia in my bed bug hell....I have finally decided to post. I have been reading your posts for about two weeks now. I have not slept for two straight days in a row b/c of these little suckers. I have yet to see one but I do believe that I saw two nymphs the other day. I started getting really itchy about 2 1/2 weeks ago. I had just moved, used a comercial moving company. I started feeling small prickly pins at night on my legs, no rash. I started to get small bumps on my back and face 1 1/2 weeks ago. I keep on feeling the pins and needles at night but still unable to see them. I got DE and applied a light dusting around the apt, around my bed and sofa area. Kept on hearing popping, I guess the sound of bedbugs/insect dying? So I guess its working. I have an apointment w an exterminator today. Hopefully he could get rid of them and I could sleep again. Do you guys feel the pins and needle sensation too?

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    Hey Jason how are thing coming along are you near the three month period ? Have you had any experiences or are things looking very good ?

    Remember, watch who you let in your house, and where you stay so you don't bring them home and even go as far as asking those you let over, before letting them over "Do you have bed bugs ?" Don't buy used furniture, save up and buy from a higher end retail chain then a low end or a CraigsList (why people buy off there is beyond me, it's like begging for problems) Don't share your apartment with anyone, if money is tight your better off struggling then posting looking for a roommate.

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    Hi,
    I am a first timer with the bed bug problem. I have a feeling I have caught it in a early stage.. I got the idea of spraying Ortho after reading this blog thoroughly, and since I am ridiculously broke these days, the last thing I can afford is a pro.
    I sprayed Ortho last night, everywhere I could possibly imagine them hiding in a perimeter of 10-15 feet from my bed. I even did the "ring of death" around the bed. lol. I didnt spray the actual bed frame or mattress.
    I woke up this morning after a semi good nights sleep, and I am not sure cause it might be old bites, but I think I had gotten one or two bites through the night. Thought, if thats the case, I should spray the bed frame, so I did just now, a couple of hours ago.. Now I'm waiting for the worst fumes to dissapear, having a fan blaring and the window wide open, so I can go to bed.
    But it is very frustrating not knowing where they are hiding.

    I guess my question is; could there be more than one "nest" or do they usually stick together...???

    Also, feel like everyone in here make them seem soooo smart, lol! But how smart are they really?!?!? Are they willing to take a detour to the ceiling and let them selves drop down on the bed?!?!? LOL... joke aside.. but seriously, what do the Pros do when it comes to the spraying, and steaming, and so forth; in situations where they dont even know where they could be hiding?!?
    MAaaaaan I barely hold the energy to having to wash everything, I think it's impossible to tumble dry about 50 pairs of shoes!! In a public Laundry mat!!!! Come on now.... How serious should I take this? Is it really necessary to go through all that?! Please help...

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    There smart in that they will hide in the day, and come for your blood in the night. They can't figure out complex math questions or write essays :) You just have to think like a bed bug would, and read up on them.

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    Hey Dragon,

    Not at 3 months yet, but I am entering 9 weeks tomorrow....so getting there!

    As mentioned in most of my previous updates, aswell as the one coming in a day or two, everything is looking great. No bites, and no bug sightings....dead or alive!

    Yea, most people I know, understand about not even thinking about coming over to my place if they suspect having bb's. They know i'll kill them if they bring any more of those critters here, lol.

    I agree, used stuff like furniture is a no no!

    DragonFlight - 1 day ago  » 
    Hey Jason how are thing coming along are you near the three month period ? Have you had any experiences or are things looking very good ?
    Remember, watch who you let in your house, and where you stay so you don't bring them home and even go as far as asking those you let over, before letting them over "Do you have bed bugs ?" Don't buy used furniture, save up and buy from a higher end retail chain then a low end or a CraigsList (why people buy off there is beyond me, it's like begging for problems) Don't share your apartment with anyone, if money is tight your better off struggling then posting looking for a roommate.

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    Hi Cantstandit,

    I hope you were able to get some rest last night. I know how hard it can be with these little bastards sleeping with you.....believe me I KNOW.....and it really sucks!

    Good luck with whatever you decide to do.

    As for spraying, just be careful. You're using the US Version of Ortho, arn't you?
    The reason I ask, is because you mention the "fumes".....and a fan. The fumes arn't bad at all with the Canadian version....and at no point did I ever need a fan.

    Also, as you may know if you've read this thread....the US version is stronger than the Canadian. It also has a different active ingredient, while most of the other ingredients are the same. So far it seems both versions get pretty much similar results....but with the US version, be extra careful with your spraying because it contains BIF.

    As for bb's "falling from the ceilling", I think they do....sometimes, but from what i've read, it's pretty rare. Thank goodness, lol.

    Yes, you could have more than one nest....it's hard to say....depends on just how bad your infestation is. But i'm no expert. Hopefully your infestation has been caught early, as you seem to think it was, so hope it's not too bad!

    Good luck, keep us posted!

    cantstandit - 1 day ago  » 
    Hi,
    I am a first timer with the bed bug problem. I have a feeling I have caught it in a early stage.. I got the idea of spraying Ortho after reading this blog thoroughly, and since I am ridiculously broke these days, the last thing I can afford is a pro.
    I sprayed Ortho last night, everywhere I could possibly imagine them hiding in a perimeter of 10-15 feet from my bed. I even did the "ring of death" around the bed. lol. I didnt spray the actual bed frame or mattress.
    I woke up this morning after a semi good nights sleep, and I am not sure cause it might be old bites, but I think I had gotten one or two bites through the night. Thought, if thats the case, I should spray the bed frame, so I did just now, a couple of hours ago.. Now I'm waiting for the worst fumes to dissapear, having a fan blaring and the window wide open, so I can go to bed.
    But it is very frustrating not knowing where they are hiding.
    I guess my question is; could there be more than one "nest" or do they usually stick together...???
    Also, feel like everyone in here make them seem soooo smart, lol! But how smart are they really?!?!? Are they willing to take a detour to the ceiling and let them selves drop down on the bed?!?!? LOL... joke aside.. but seriously, what do the Pros do when it comes to the spraying, and steaming, and so forth; in situations where they dont even know where they could be hiding?!?
    MAaaaaan I barely hold the energy to having to wash everything, I think it's impossible to tumble dry about 50 pairs of shoes!! In a public Laundry mat!!!! Come on now.... How serious should I take this? Is it really necessary to go through all that?! Please help...

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    Jason1,

    How do you do caulking? We found bb in my son's bedroom. We caught live ones to show the PCO who came for inspection. It is confirmed they are bb. There are quite some cracks a crevices in the room since our house is 60 year old.
    After reading all the post here, I should call the PCO tomorrow to ask about the chemicals they will use. Then decide which PCO to use.

    Thanks.

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    Caulking is not easy, but as you mentioned you have numerous cracks and holes in your unit, I would buy several tubes of caulking and start sealing them up then you can focus on what is within your unit where you live and to eliminate. What you are doing is putting in right back where you are starting, you are calling the PCO to come in and do what he has to do, in the same time your cracks and holes are not sealed, whatever does get killed more will come in from those cracks and holes. You have to seal up those cracks and holes, first then I would follow Jasons simple but effective method, and if that doesn't solve it, then call the PCO. I guarantee that if your problem is small, some where in that procedure you'll start to see results and hopefully save you a few coin.

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    Hello Killbedbug,

    If you do a search (at the top of the page) for caulking, you will find a number of topics. It will be explained better than I could.

    How many bb's, aprox, have you found so far....and are they only in your son's bedroom?

    killbedbug - 11 hours ago  » 
    Jason1,
    How do you do caulking? We found bb in my son's bedroom. We caught live ones to show the PCO who came for inspection. It is confirmed they are bb. There are quite some cracks a crevices in the room since our house is 60 year old.
    After reading all the post here, I should call the PCO tomorrow to ask about the chemicals they will use. Then decide which PCO to use.
    Thanks.

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    It feels like I've been away for quite some time (it's really only been about a week), but I'm back. During my time away I got back into my exercise routine (training for a 10k), enjoyed a concert in the park and spent some time with my family. I had been using vaseline every night before going to bed; coating my face, arms, neck and just about anything that I thought might be exposed. I stopped doing that about a week ago. I have not found any evidence of bb's nor have I had any bites. I realize it's only been a week so it is wayyyy to early to say that I'm free from my problems but, going to bed without being greased down feels nice.

    There are no dead bugs in my mineral oil moat and no bodies lying around anywhere else. The pco that I trusted did state that the bugs could climb on the ceiling and "dive bomb" so my double sided tape; while looking very strange; is stuck to my ceiling.

    I'm still living out of ziplock bags and paranoid about any and every place I go as to whether someone is carrying bed bugs with them. I now hang my gym bag from the hook in the locker instead of placing it on the floor. I make sure I check out the legs of others looking for tell tale bite marks and can honestly say I'm becoming a lil' OCD about the whole thing.

    For anyone who is being bit at night with no evidence of bed bugs, I highly recommend the climb up interceptors or something similar, before you start driving yourself crazy trying to find the bugs and their nests. Also, encasing your mattress is an excxellent idea whether or not you actually have the bugs. If you have them you may be trapping 70% of the bugs in the encasement. If you don't have them, it will be a proactive measure at keeping them out of your mattress and box spring. A "good" pco will do free inspection and that is also helpful.

    Jason1, waiting to hear about your progress. I know you will post tomorrow but just wanted to say I wish you and everyone a bite free weekend. Going for a bike ride in the park.

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    Hey folks,

    Well, really, I should just cut and paste the 8 weeks update because it is exactly the same as this one (9 weeks)

    Boring I know, but nothing has changed. This kind of boring I can live with, lol.

    No sightings of bb's, of ANY kind, dead or alive, in several weeks. Nothing!

    Continuing to spray bi-monthly.

    Hope everyone has a good week....and as bb free as possible!

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    That is great to hear you're getting back into a routine not so much associated with bb's. It means you're not letting them control your life.

    Good news you still have no signs of anything in your mote, etc.

    It sounds like the preventative measures you're taking are really beginning to pay off.

    As for the "paranoia"....i'm not sure if it EVER truly goes away. I know i'm still pretty paranoid.

    Continued good luck. Sounds like real progress!

    BBsonme - 23 hours ago  » 
    It feels like I've been away for quite some time (it's really only been about a week), but I'm back. During my time away I got back into my exercise routine (training for a 10k), enjoyed a concert in the park and spent some time with my family. I had been using vaseline every night before going to bed; coating my face, arms, neck and just about anything that I thought might be exposed. I stopped doing that about a week ago. I have not found any evidence of bb's nor have I had any bites. I realize it's only been a week so it is wayyyy to early to say that I'm free from my problems but, going to bed without being greased down feels nice.
    There are no dead bugs in my mineral oil moat and no bodies lying around anywhere else. The pco that I trusted did state that the bugs could climb on the ceiling and "dive bomb" so my double sided tape; while looking very strange; is stuck to my ceiling.
    I'm still living out of ziplock bags and paranoid about any and every place I go as to whether someone is carrying bed bugs with them. I now hang my gym bag from the hook in the locker instead of placing it on the floor. I make sure I check out the legs of others looking for tell tale bite marks and can honestly say I'm becoming a lil' OCD about the whole thing.
    For anyone who is being bit at night with no evidence of bed bugs, I highly recommend the climb up interceptors or something similar, before you start driving yourself crazy trying to find the bugs and their nests. Also, encasing your mattress is an excxellent idea whether or not you actually have the bugs. If you have them you may be trapping 70% of the bugs in the encasement. If you don't have them, it will be a proactive measure at keeping them out of your mattress and box spring. A "good" pco will do free inspection and that is also helpful.
    Jason1, waiting to hear about your progress. I know you will post tomorrow but just wanted to say I wish you and everyone a bite free weekend. Going for a bike ride in the park.

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    I'm hoping I won't jinx myself, but thanks to the combined efforts of my PCO and the recommendation from Jason1... I haven't seen a bed bug in three weeks! WEEEEE!!!

    Thanks to that, we are now able to move forward with remodeling. I made sure to use the Ortho spray in areas of the wall where there were signs of bed begs... There was a whole bunch of dead bugs under the bathroom window.

    Just wanted to say THANKS to Jason1 for the idea!

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    Hi Kimberleena,

    You're welcome, i'm so glad to hear about the success you are having.

    3 weeks without a single bed bug sighting is great. Continued good luck.

    And good luck with the remodeling!

    Kimberleena - 1 day ago  » 
    I'm hoping I won't jinx myself, but thanks to the combined efforts of my PCO and the recommendation from Jason1... I haven't seen a bed bug in three weeks! WEEEEE!!!
    Thanks to that, we are now able to move forward with remodeling. I made sure to use the Ortho spray in areas of the wall where there were signs of bed begs... There was a whole bunch of dead bugs under the bathroom window.
    Just wanted to say THANKS to Jason1 for the idea!

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    Yet another article that speaks about bed bugs, and the winter Olympics, here in my backyard in less than 6 months.

    One of several articles i've seen....and as the games get closer, i'm sure their will be many more.

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    Bedbug complaints double in Metro Vancouver as critters make a comeback

    Maria Albusel has spent the past 10 months battling to save her West End tenants from a full-fledged bedbug infestation. So far, the building manager said, the fight has cost the property’s owner more than $30,000.

    So far, the building manager said, the fight has cost the property’s owner more than $30,000.

    It’s an uphill battle, one that isn’t unique to Vancouver residents.

    Common bedbugs, or Cimex lectularius, are making a North American comeback thanks to increased world travel, urban density, lack of public awareness and pesticide resistance.

    Entomologist Miro Gajovic said their numbers have likely increased 10-fold in the past five years. Things will get worse, said Gajovic, of Orcan Pest Control Services, because when the world comes to Vancouver in 2010 for the Olympics, bedbugs will, too.

    “They hitchhike,” Gajovic said, referring to the insect’s ability to latch on to luggage and clothing, then infest a new location.

    “You can’t wage the war against them. We can’t win.”

    Bedbug complaints in Metro Vancouver, which first started in 2003 with 40 complaints, have doubled each year for the past five years, said local expert Shelley Beaudet.

    The small, brown parasites are very resilient, quick to reproduce and difficult to spot.

    “All it takes is one,” said Beaudet, a senior environmental health officer with Vancouver Coastal Health.

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    Jason1 - 55 minutes ago  » 
    Yet another article that speaks about bed bugs, and the winter Olympics, here in my backyard in less than 6 months.
    One of several articles i've seen....and as the games get closer, i'm sure their will be many more.
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    “You can’t wage the war against them. We can’t win.”
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    Got a link for that article Jason?

    We aren't going to drive BBs to extinction but as you well know they can be beaten. Why is this entomologist throwing in the towel?

    Jim

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    That is a very scary thought. I think the "terror" alert should be raised on these things. I can't make it through the airports with more than a 3 ounce bottle of shampoo but someone can carry hundreds of bb eggs onto a flight via their luggage, their luggage contacts my luggage in the bottom of the plane and BOOM, I'm fighting a war on terror. One that, according to an exterminator, cannot be won. Forget the taliban, we need increased homeland security against these things. The psychological effects seem to hang around long after the problem is resolved. If it is ever truly resolved.

    So what is the answer? We ziplock our clothes, launder as soon as we return to our homes and then hope like hell nothing jumped off the suitcase while carrying the bags in? What about the common contact, perhaps on the train, in the office, the grocery store or movie theatre.... I'm freaking myself out here.

    Very discouraging article indeed.

    On a positive note, I think I have finally mastered my downward dog in yoga class!!!

    PCO #3 came out on Monday, no signs of bed bugs. He stated that if I did have them, it was a mild infestation; one that is now under control as my bites were only occurring every 2 to 3 weeks starting in mid march/early april. He said if I had them I'd likely be covered in bites by now and there would be signs, fecal material, cast skins, something.

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    Anyone traveling to Vancouver, take extra precaution !!!
    That goes for anywhere, anyplace, anyone, anything.

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    That caught my eye, also, Spidey.

    I should have copied the link, my bad. I'll try to find the article again and post it. And the entire article is much longer.

    spideyjg - 21 hours ago  » 

    Jason1 - 55 minutes ago  » 
    Yet another article that speaks about bed bugs, and the winter Olympics, here in my backyard in less than 6 months.
    One of several articles i've seen....and as the games get closer, i'm sure their will be many more.
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    “You can’t wage the war against them. We can’t win.”
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    Got a link for that article Jason?
    We aren't going to drive BBs to extinction but as you well know they can be beaten. Why is this entomologist throwing in the towel?
    Jim

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    Great, that may clinch it then (what the pco told you)

    It sounds like you may be rid of them, if you in fact ever had any to begin with. Hopefully you didn't. But then, if not, what caused your bites?

    BBsonme - 20 hours ago  » 
    That is a very scary thought. I think the "terror" alert should be raised on these things. I can't make it through the airports with more than a 3 ounce bottle of shampoo but someone can carry hundreds of bb eggs onto a flight via their luggage, their luggage contacts my luggage in the bottom of the plane and BOOM, I'm fighting a war on terror. One that, according to an exterminator, cannot be won. Forget the taliban, we need increased homeland security against these things. The psychological effects seem to hang around long after the problem is resolved. If it is ever truly resolved.
    So what is the answer? We ziplock our clothes, launder as soon as we return to our homes and then hope like hell nothing jumped off the suitcase while carrying the bags in? What about the common contact, perhaps on the train, in the office, the grocery store or movie theatre.... I'm freaking myself out here.
    Very discouraging article indeed.
    On a positive note, I think I have finally mastered my downward dog in yoga class!!!
    PCO #3 came out on Monday, no signs of bed bugs. He stated that if I did have them, it was a mild infestation; one that is now under control as my bites were only occurring every 2 to 3 weeks starting in mid march/early april. He said if I had them I'd likely be covered in bites by now and there would be signs, fecal material, cast skins, something.

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    My vote is for everyone to STAY HOME!

    The Olympics can be a bust and we lose a fortune, I don't care.

    Rather THAT over a worse bed bug population than we already have....which is pretty damn bad!

    DragonFlight - 4 hours ago  » 
    Anyone traveling to Vancouver, take extra precaution !!!
    That goes for anywhere, anyplace, anyone, anything.

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    Found the link, Spidey.

    http://www.canada.com/vancouversun/news/story.html?id=2352861d-bf2a-4c88-9cd1-2156331366e0

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    The general public definitely needs to be more informed about this problem. It seems that either no one knows or pays attention until it's too late. That article if very, very discouraging.

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    What was biting me? That is an excellent question. Perhaps I have bed bugs but they are in my encasement. One things for sure, I will never ever, ever remove the encasement. Hopefully my spraying the bed frame with Ortho, laying down the Indika BB killer and decluttering, vaccuuming and the bed risers will prevent any future bites. I'm still searching every day for signs, but thank God I haven't found anything yet.

    PCO #3 thought I might be getting bit by fleas. Only time will tell.

    Here's hoping everyone has a restful, bite free weekend

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    Time once again for my weekly update.

    Everything is continuing to look good. No bed bug sightings, dead or alive.

    It's now been 10 weeks and counting!

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    I just re-read that article. Guess I wasn't paying close enough attention the first time I read it. The guy making those negative comments works for "Orkin".

    I'm not too surprised considering all the bad things i've heard about this company.

    BBsonme - 5 days ago  » 
    The general public definitely needs to be more informed about this problem. It seems that either no one knows or pays attention until it's too late. That article if very, very discouraging.

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    That's "Orcan", not to be confused with "Orkin". Sorry about that.

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    Hey Jason are you past or entering the (3) month period ? Have you experienced any bites or sightings. If you haven't experienced bites or sightings, I would start phasing in regular things especially if the weather has been hot, which I know it has been in Vancouver you would have seen them come out.

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    Hey Dragon,

    Nope, no bites, no sightings, dead or alive, absolutely nothing, nada, zip, zero!

    I have to confess, I never imagined this kind of success when I first started my spraying regime. You would think, in the past 11 weeks....I would have been bitten at least ONCE....after being bitten damn near every day/night for almost a year....but no, not even once.

    I've been getting private messages from people, as well of course people on this thread, relating similar success with Ortho. Not all results are the same, of course. Some people still report sightings, and/or bites. But at worst....are seeing a pretty big reduction in overall sightings, and/or bites. And most have not yet been spraying nearly as long as I have.

    I'm almost at that magic 3 month threshold. With my next update in a couple days....i'll be entering week number 12.

    What do you mean by "phasing in regular things?"

    And yes, it has been VERY hot here. Warm again this week....but not nearly as hot as it was a few weeks back when it was a real cooker!

    DragonFlight - 4 hours ago  » 
    Hey Jason are you past or entering the (3) month period ? Have you experienced any bites or sightings. If you haven't experienced bites or sightings, I would start phasing in regular things especially if the weather has been hot, which I know it has been in Vancouver you would have seen them come out.

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    Well you are getting contacted because of the success you've had with the Ortho product. If you are having success why shouldn't they :). Think of it as a compliment because without you we wouldn't have known. I've actually bought the product and saw a dead cockroach at the wood base of my apartment entrance. This stuff works and it works very well. What I mean by phasing in regular things is, phasing in your regular life and blending in how to prevent bed bug infestation so that it just becomes second nature. It's good to see that you have became successful as the three month period approaches, it's a sigh of relief for you probably.

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    Jason1 - 1 week ago  » 
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    Bedbug complaints double in Metro Vancouver as critters make a comeback
    Maria Albusel has spent the past 10 months battling to save her West End tenants from a full-fledged bedbug infestation. So far, the building manager said, the fight has cost the property’s owner more than $30,000.
    So far, the building manager s

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    Oh yea, I see what you mean.

    I'm starting to do just that, slowly, and being very cautious and careful with anything that could even remotely mean another bb infestation.

    Yes, relief is an understatement!

    DragonFlight - 2 days ago  » 
    Well you are getting contacted because of the success you've had with the Ortho product. If you are having success why shouldn't they :). Think of it as a compliment because without you we wouldn't have known. I've actually bought the product and saw a dead cockroach at the wood base of my apartment entrance. This stuff works and it works very well. What I mean by phasing in regular things is, phasing in your regular life and blending in how to prevent bed bug infestation so that it just becomes second nature. It's good to see that you have became successful as the three month period approaches, it's a sigh of relief for you probably.

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    Oops, my bad, sorry about that!

    Nobugsonme - 2 days ago  » 

    Jason1 - 1 week ago  » 
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    Bedbug complaints double in Metro Vancouver as critters make a comeback
    Maria Albusel has spent the past 10 months battling to save her West End tenants from a full-fledged bedbug infestation. So far, the building manager said, the fight has cost the property’s owner more than $30,000.
    So far, the building manager s

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    Time for another weekly update....another short update.

    Short because nothing has changed since last week, which obviously makes me very pleased.

    I'm now entering what I believe to be a pivotal time, as this is the beginning of week number 12. With 3 months in the can, I think it will be safe to claim success, at least so much as "this" infestation is concerned. And with safeguards in place, hopefully this will be my one and ONLY infestaion of these bb bastards!

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    I hope you never have to deal with them in your life time again.

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    Thanks, and I concur, and hope that for EVERYBODY!

    Honestly, I wouldn't wish these things on my worst enemy.

    No human being should be subjected to bb's. Or ANY animal form for that matter!

    DragonFlight - 1 day ago  » 
    I hope you never have to deal with them in your life time again.

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    I thought this was an interesting, short article re the 2010 winter Olympics/ bed bugs. Of note, David Cane is in the article. Sorry if it's already been posted elsewhere!

    http://bullsheet.wordpress.com/2008/05/16/2010-olympics-will-spread-bed-bug-infestation/

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    Well this is kinda interesting I guess.

    Finally heard something back from Ortho. I'd forgotton all about my email to them, it's been so long since I wrote it. 2 months maybe?

    ----- Original Message -----
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    Sent: Wednesday, August 26, 2009 8:03 AM
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    Mr. xxxx, I appreciate your comments on our Ortho labeling. I will forward your comments on to our Marketing Department. They take consumers' comments seriously. This information will be taken into consideration when they are designing new labels. Perhaps there will be further research into bedbug control.

    However, by law, we cannot put an insect on the label or a use that has not been tested and registered with your government. There are other considerations of personal safety as well. Please do not use the HomeDefense Max on your mattress and do not recommend that use to others.

    Again, thank you for taking the time to contact us and for your interest in Ortho. We're really glad that you like the HomeDefense Max so well though. Please feel free to contact our company anytime we may be of assistance.

    Cari Schroeder
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    Marysville, OH 43041

    Ref #8225611

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    I have looked at this string rather closely for a few days now. It is quite a contrast to all that is posted on this forum. People struggle greatly in trying to eliminate an infestation, yet this string implies that one product (that does not even mention BB's) is a silver bullet. So far no one has stepped up to resolve this obvious contradiction.

    I know that when I first thought that I might have BB's two weeks ago, without doing any research, I grabbed some Ortho I had in the garage and sprayed both bedrooms like crazy. I had not seen any bugs, and still have not seen any, but I feel that this was not the right thing to do. The label says that it works for "up to 12 months indoors."

    Are we all fooling ourselves with this Ortho, only to receive a big surprise in 12 months?

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    MuchoInsano - 26 minutes ago  » 

    I know that when I first thought that I might have BB's two weeks ago, without doing any research, I grabbed some Ortho I had in the garage and sprayed both bedrooms like crazy.

    Are we all fooling ourselves with this Ortho, only to receive a big surprise in 12 months?

    "Spraying both bedrooms like crazy" is exactly what some of us have tried to warn about to no apparent avail. You do that with pesticides you can F yourself or family up!

    If you apply anything according to the label, including any PPE required, you are safe, take the same product and go apesh*t with it and no PPE you are off the map on your own.

    Jim

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    I'm glad you're having success with the Ortho. If it's working, I wouldn't complain, lol. However, "spraying like crazy"....may not be a good idea. I at no time was spraying like a mad man. Yes, for the first 10 days or so I was spraying daily....but not what I would call "heavy" spraying. And my daily spraying was confined to just one room....bedroom. Of course I was also spraying cracks, crevices, etx, but not on a daily basis.

    I am now spraying bi-monthly, and considering I have not seen a single bb in several weeks, and have not been bitten in 3 months....i'm seriously considering cutting back the spraying even further, as I think it's almost time to claim success in ridding myself of bb's.

    And no, it is not a silver bullet, no one ever said it was....but it has WORKED for ME, that's all I care about, nothing more. No bb bites in 3 months, and no bb sightings in a long time. That's all I need, or want to know.

    Oh I realize "some" of the pco's, and so-called "experts" don't like to hear this, but it's true, it's fact. I will say most on this board have been very supportive....but their are a few straglers who don't like what i'm doing. It bothered me what they thought at the beginning....but now I couldn't give a crap, not with the success i'm having. I'm not gonna change the way they think, and they arn't going to change the way I think. They are no better than me and i'm no better than them.

    Good luck to you!

    MuchoInsano - 21 hours ago  » 
    I have looked at this string rather closely for a few days now. It is quite a contrast to all that is posted on this forum. People struggle greatly in trying to eliminate an infestation, yet this string implies that one product (that does not even mention BB's) is a silver bullet. So far no one has stepped up to resolve this obvious contradiction.
    I know that when I first thought that I might have BB's two weeks ago, without doing any research, I grabbed some Ortho I had in the garage and sprayed both bedrooms like crazy. I had not seen any bugs, and still have not seen any, but I feel that this was not the right thing to do. The label says that it works for "up to 12 months indoors."
    Are we all fooling ourselves with this Ortho, only to receive a big surprise in 12 months?

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    Jason,

    I am not hating! I am happy for you and everyone who has had success with this product. I was just wondering if the Ortho working for 12 months only makes the BB's hide that long. It would be a major letdown if next year the BB's came right back.

    When I said I sprayed like crazy it was an attempt at comic relief. I take great precaution when I use any sort of chemical (pesticide, paint, bleach, Tetrahydrocannabinol, etc) and had used the Ortho a couple of years ago when I was suddenly and unexpectedly over run with carpenter ants (It worked great).

    Even if I never see a BB, I am glad that I had the opportunity to learn as much from you guys as I have. Also, my house is cleaner than it has been since I moved in!

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    Not a problem, I know you're not a hater. Sometimes I just come on a little strong is all, because even after all the success i've had, along with other people who have reported on this thread, aswell as private message....there are STILL those who won't accept it. Not many, but a few.

    As for the Ortho only working for 12 months and the bb's returning with a vengence....I highly doubt it. But that's my opinion. Some of the experts claim they could return, some say they likely won't....we will just have to wait and see.

    All I know for SURE....is that my bb problem has been solved. Should they return again at some point down the road, i'll cross that bridge when I come to it.

    I hope you NEVER get bb's, they're a b!tch!

    MuchoInsano - 21 hours ago  » 
    Jason,
    I am not hating! I am happy for you and everyone who has had success with this product. I was just wondering if the Ortho working for 12 months only makes the BB's hide that long. It would be a major letdown if next year the BB's came right back.
    When I said I sprayed like crazy it was an attempt at comic relief. I take great precaution when I use any sort of chemical (pesticide, paint, bleach, Tetrahydrocannabinol, etc) and had used the Ortho a couple of years ago when I was suddenly and unexpectedly over run with carpenter ants (It worked great).
    Even if I never see a BB, I am glad that I had the opportunity to learn as much from you guys as I have. Also, my house is cleaner than it has been since I moved in!

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    Jason1,

    I have paid attention to you post these days and read all the posts of this topic, because i have been hassled by bbs for a few months, I first discovered bbs on my old mattress in April, at that time, I didn't know what it was, so I just treated it by killing them, until several weeks ago, I couldn't sleep well at night and always felt something moving on my back, I was shocked by what i saw on my mattress, I found many small bugs on the creaves of my mattress, so I throwed my mattress due to its infestation,sprayed my room on each corner and cracks I could found with Hotspot, which could last only for a peace night, I sealed all the cracks on the wall with tapes, the number of bbs has decreased, however I still was bitten by one or two bugs at night, I think they must be hiding somewhere I couldn't found, I am really upset for my effort.

    I saw your success of getting rid of bbs, I am encouraged by what you have done and appreciated for sharing your update and measures to deal with bbs, so I just decided to follow your steps to control bbs in my room. I just bought a same brand product as you said on the Amazon.com, it is on the way, and I hope I can achieve the same results as you, I want to ask one question, that is whether this product is the one you used. here is the link for it.
    http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000A0LFLS/ref=ox_ya_oh_product

    I didn't see the 0.25% amount of permethrin except .05% Bifenthrin, so I am a little confused.

    Thanks in advance, forgive my poor Engish.

    Jason1 - 2 months ago  » 
    Thanks, I AM being careful. I'm not spraying at toxic levels. The amount of permethrin is 0.25%, far less than Dragnet.....and the other ingredients arn't harmful at the rate i'm using them. My windows are all open a minimum of 3-4 hours during/after application.
    No, nothing is going directly on my mattress/bed. Only on the floor surrounding it.
    Thank's for your concern....appreciate it!

    lil_bit_obsessed - 7 minutes ago  » 
    please please be careful. i hope you are using a respirator and gloves. pesticide toxicity can build over time, and it is easy to spray much more than is necessary when you are feeling desperate. i also hope that you aren't treating the bed/mattress itself with this product, if it isn't registered for bb treatment? some pesticides are not safe for coming into close contact with skin...

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    That is the Canadian version Jason is using. The American version does not have the same chemical as the Canadian version. If only the Canadian version had 1.0% it would rock :) Remember that the Canadian version is based from a flower, that is right a flower that goes to show that any bug can be destroyed from nature even bed bugs have a weakness to which they are vulnerable to death and Jason just came upon a project that exposes that weakness.

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    Hey Rudy,

    First of all, your english is just fine, I can understand you perfectly.

    Sorry to hear about your bed bug problems. Hopefully you'll be able to get it under control, and in a resonably short period of time....eliminated. But as you probably know, that's not always the case, unfortunately.

    I clicked on the link in your post, and yes, the same product is pictured. But as DragonFlight points out....there are two versions of the product.

    I'm using the Canadian version which contains permethrin, while you, being in the US, are using the version with Bifenthrin. Now from messages on this thread, aswell as messages i've gotton by way of PM, it seems both versions act very similar, producing very similar results. However, as others have suggested, if you're using the US version....be extra careful, ie, not overspraying. As I said, i'm using the Canadian version so I didn't have to worry about the Bifenthrin content. If I did, I most likely would not have sprayed quite as much as I did in the beginning.

    Any other questions, just ask. I'm FAR from an expert re bb's, but I have learnt a few things from this nightmare, lol.

    Good luck to you, I hope it works out.

    rudyping - 3 days ago  » 
    Jason1,
    I have paid attention to you post these days and read all the posts of this topic, because i have been hassled by bbs for a few months, I first discovered bbs on my old mattress in April, at that time, I didn't know what it was, so I just treated it by killing them, until several weeks ago, I couldn't sleep well at night and always felt something moving on my back, I was shocked by what i saw on my mattress, I found many small bugs on the creaves of my mattress, so I throwed my mattress due to its infestation,sprayed my room on each corner and cracks I could found with Hotspot, which could last only for a peace night, I sealed all the cracks on the wall with tapes, the number of bbs has decreased, however I still was bitten by one or two bugs at night, I think they must be hiding somewhere I couldn't found, I am really upset for my effort.
    I saw your success of getting rid of bbs, I am encouraged by what you have done and appreciated for sharing your update and measures to deal with bbs, so I just decided to follow your steps to control bbs in my room. I just bought a same brand product as you said on the Amazon.com, it is on the way, and I hope I can achieve the same results as you, I want to ask one question, that is whether this product is the one you used. here is the link for it.
    http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000A0LFLS/ref=ox_ya_oh_product
    I didn't see the 0.25% amount of permethrin except .05% Bifenthrin, so I am a little confused.
    Thanks in advance, forgive my poor Engish.

    Jason1 - 2 months ago  » 
    Thanks, I AM being careful. I'm not spraying at toxic levels. The amount of permethrin is 0.25%, far less than Dragnet.....and the other ingredients arn't harmful at the rate i'm using them. My windows are all open a minimum of 3-4 hours during/after application.
    No, nothing is going directly on my mattress/bed. Only on the floor surrounding it.
    Thank's for your concern....appreciate it!

    lil_bit_obsessed - 7 minutes ago  » 
    please please be careful. i hope you are using a respirator and gloves. pesticide toxicity can build over time, and it is easy to spray much more than is necessary when you are feeling desperate. i also hope that you aren't treating the bed/mattress itself with this product, if it isn't registered for bb treatment? some pesticides are not safe for coming into close contact with skin...

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    Thanks for your timely reply, I feel encouraged by what you said, I will act as what the instruction of the product said, so as not to spray too much in my room, I am really disturbed by the little blood-sucking bugs, sometimes, I think it is just like a battle between me and the bugs, where only one can survive, just kidding.
    I also learned a lot from this post, and I hope I can finally get rid off them thoroughly one day.

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    I have been reading everyones responses to the the original post and find all the info to be very useful. I've had B Bugs for about 4 months. It started as a nightmare but has dramatically improved. My girlfriend was getting bitten multiple times a day while I had no signs of any bites. I though she was going crazy or something. Bugs in my house?? Don't think so. I now know that some people don't respond to bites at all. Heck..I probably got bit as many times as her and never knew it. I too hired a PCO and I have mixed opinions on and I need some help. Anyone used Orkin?

    What I'm finding is that a good PCO coupled with some supplemental self pest control works the best, as long as you communicate what you are doing to your PCO, and obviously don't make the problem worse. I my case, the origin of the infestation started in my couch. It is now in pieces, wrapped up nicely and on the way out the door. I had the pest control guy come out twice. Once for the original treatment and another treatment two weeks later for a touch up work. The guy didn't stay for long so not sure how much he really did to 'touch up' his work. He was pretty good I guess but its hard for me to really know that because this is all new to me. I've heard from various people not to get rid of your furniture just because you have B Bugs, but to just sit there as bait and wait for the bugs to come out and cross the pesticide on the way to their meal (uh..thats me).

    Well, I'll still go to sleep in my bed and let the pesticides do the trick but I refuse to get bitten every night and get 2 hours of sleep. I've set up Climb Up Interceptor traps and Protect A Bed covers to get piece of mind. Trust me..they work!! The PCO officer said it doesn't hurt to 'isolate' your bed, but got really defensive and said that 'what?? you don't trust my work??' Why you asking so many questions? just let me do my thing and everything will be fine!!" . He also said the pesticide works like microsperes that lay on the ground until the bugs cross it and get poisoned. Kind of like walking through a lind mine field. He also got really defensive when I told him I've been researching stuff online. The PCO guy told me the same old 'Why are u doing all this stuff when I told you my method works..huh..you don't trust me??' When I asked then 'ok tell me all the top chemicals in the cocktail and he each works to kill the bugs and eggs. Are they neurotoxins?Do they kill on contact or does it take a while?' he was at a loss for words. and fed me some coorporate sales jargon. I knew then that B Bug extermination is not going to be easy and it will take alot of patience.and I would need to find a new PCO.

    At this point, I'm pretty skeptical that I will get rid of the problem totally, but at least I can keep them under control. I understand your frustration when you have the PCO guy come out and then you see bugs crawling all over the place 7 hours later. In fact, when I saw bugs alive and well 3 weeks later with more eggs, it was a major concern. Houston..we have a problem!!! It seems that all the treatment did was piss them off. I still have yet to see a dead bug after a treatment. I'm sure it takes time for the poison to work but I will be a cold day in hell if I lay in my bed and just let them continue to bite me months after a treatment was supposed to work.

    So I guess what I am saying is get a good PCO officer that explains what he is doing and why he is doing it. Find someone with a guarantee (usually 30 days). Take advantage of that and do as many treatments as necessary until you stop seeing the bugs. I'm still searching for that silver bullet but everyone's situation is different and not sure how mine will end up yet. I'm beginning to think this will require multiple treaments along with products like you r descibing (Ortho)/Boric Acid /traps to at least get piece of mind while the pesticide does its thing. Whatever works..do it and stick with it. I'm no expert yet but I have seen a dramatic drop in bites seeing the bugs around my house. Use common sense..if you keep seeing bugs coming out of your couch and you've tried everything but think they are still inside the couch..get rid of it if you can. Thats my take on it.


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