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Jason1
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First of all, i'm new here, so hello. I live in Vancouver, BC.
Iv'e had bedbugs since last last August/September, first starting out very mild, not
many at all....with bites a couple times a week. However, it progressively got worse, especially the last 4 or 5 months. Multiple bites every night, including the nights the pest control people sprayed. Lack of sleep (2-3 hours per night) paranoia, etc, etc, you all know what i'm talking about i'm sure. Anyway, i've never tried an OTC product because I kept thinking pest control would eventually take care of the problem....but it wasn't. Last week I was told by a clerk in a hardware store to try "Ortho Home Defense Max". He said it's worked for people in the past, even though it's not listed for Bed Bug elimination....but does have permethrin as an active ingredient, which is what the sprayers use in Dragnet. At this point I was willing to try just about anything, so decided to give it a go. Bought it Friday....sprayed cracks/crevices, floor boards, under counters, closets, etc. Also sprayed around my bed, as a barrier, so the bugs hopefully wouldn't cross. It's now Monday.....and I havn't been biten, not once, in the last 3 nights since I used the product....after being biten every night for the last several months. I sprayed around my bed all 3 nights, to make sure....but only once in the other locations. Now i'm not saying this will work for EVERYONE....and I do still see the damn bed bugs crawling around....but not nearly as many as before, and the most important thing for me.....they won't cross the bed barrier to bite me. What I don't know, is, will they try when they get really hungry....and if they do, will the barrier hold? It definately kills the bb's on contact....so I can only hope it kills them when they eventually get desperate/hungry enough and try crawling through it. Also, it's pretty sticky, so maybe that will help too. Anyway, just wanted to let others know in case anyone else wants to try it. So far so good, for me anyway! -
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Hey give me a follow up on this, I saw this when I was picking up Scotts EcoSense the other day. Give me a 7-14 day follow up, maybe you hit some gold :)
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Will do!
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Hey give me a follow up on this, I saw this when I was picking up Scotts EcoSense the other day. Give me a 7-14 day follow up, maybe you hit some gold :) -
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Don't forget. Either respond to this thread or private message me or both.
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Tue Jun 16 2009 14:24:39
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PLEASE respond to this thread! I'm curious too. Good luck :)
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Jason1
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Still no bites. That's 4 nights in a row now, after, as I mentioned before, getting bitten every night for several months. I'm continuing to spray evey night.....around the bed, isolating it completely. The only way the bb's can get to me is by crossing the barrier....and so far, they arn't. I think after this week, i'm gonna start spraying around the bed every 2-3 days, rather than everyday.....and see what happens. I'm just not sure how strong this stuff is if it's not applied daily. Maybe it doesn't need to be applied daily, just don't know yet....but i'll find out if they start attacking me again!
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Tue Jun 16 2009 22:43:01
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Are you finding any dead bugs around the bed or in the ring of death?
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please please be careful. i hope you are using a respirator and gloves. pesticide toxicity can build over time, and it is easy to spray much more than is necessary when you are feeling desperate. i also hope that you aren't treating the bed/mattress itself with this product, if it isn't registered for bb treatment? some pesticides are not safe for coming into close contact with skin...
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A couple, not many. But yea, a few every night are attemping to cross....and getting nuked in the process. This is why i'm so encouraged. It would be nice if they would ALL try to cross. This way i'd get rid of most, if not all of them. It seems as if most are probably just turning around once they hit the barrier surrounding my bed....except I guess for the ones that are really desperate/hungry. I don't know how long this will work, considering bb's can go without food for up to 18 months.....but if i have to do this for 18 months, I will. As far as i'm concerned....PCO has been "useless", at least they have been for me, and i'm only speaking for myself. I'm sure they have helped others. Whenever i've asked these guys questions relating to my bb situation, when they've been here, it's like they are reading directly out of the damn handbook they were given by their bosses when they were hired, or told what to say by their bosses. For example, they told me NOT to do what i'm doing regarding this particular type of isolation and barrier around my bed. They gave me some stupid, flimsy excuse why it "could" make matters worse. WORSE?????? are you freaking kidding me?? it couldn't get any worse....and the fact of the matter is.....things are better in the last 5 days than they EVER were in the past several months, as i'm no longer getting bb's crawling all over me and getting bitten. And so far it has cost me less than 20 bucks. There may be a reason who some PCO's tell you NOT to use home/otc remedies. They don't make money if you do. But that's just my oppinion....but it seems pretty obvious to me.
It's like the drug companies. Don't anyone try telling me their isn't a cure for the common cold, lol. We can put people on the moon, fly them into space, cure many diseases, make computers that think like humans.....yet.....we can't control a damn bug?
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Thanks, I AM being careful. I'm not spraying at toxic levels. The amount of permethrin is 0.25%, far less than Dragnet.....and the other ingredients arn't harmful at the rate i'm using them. My windows are all open a minimum of 3-4 hours during/after application.
No, nothing is going directly on my mattress/bed. Only on the floor surrounding it.
Thank's for your concern....appreciate it!lil_bit_obsessed - 7 minutes ago »
please please be careful. i hope you are using a respirator and gloves. pesticide toxicity can build over time, and it is easy to spray much more than is necessary when you are feeling desperate. i also hope that you aren't treating the bed/mattress itself with this product, if it isn't registered for bb treatment? some pesticides are not safe for coming into close contact with skin... -
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Omg, i used to used that!! (first post btw)
the ortho worked great when i had a heavy infestation of roaches.
they were gone within a few days i believe
I knew it was working because they no longer hid in dark corner or deep crevices..they ran to the corners of the ceiling to try and quickly rebuild as a last resort..no match for ortho lol.. but the spray says it works for 12 months or so bu back to the story...
i had NO other types of bugs after using the whole gallon with the pull&spray nozzle.
but this is where i messed up: i said that i was going to buy another gallon before winter so i can prepare for any intruders but i was soo impressed and relaxed by the results i forgot about it and bam, new intruders, the annoying bedbugs...hairdryers work really good (gun shaped ones) i get them out of my couch then put down white vinegar(they run away from that)but i dont know what else to do. Im thinking about buying a specific couch with legs so i can put super sticky rat traps under them. I might try ortho again.. but i need tons of advice (as much as i can get) -
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Jason, follow up on that, you're already on the forth day, that is good. As you mentioned spray every 2-3 days see if this works if you have to apply it every day then the product will loose hope. If you can spray every 2-3 days and it's still effective then within the 14 day trial as I mentioned, near the end you'll have to turn those last 2-3 days into spraying every 2-3 days. If that is effective you're going to have to extend that 14 day trial with another 14 days added on only after the first 14 days spray it every 7 for the remainder 14 days, then if that works then the product looks very promising.
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I've seen these at Home Depot and advertised on TV. Wonder how they achieve a one-year residual...
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Well, I would say try it again....I mean, why not? As you said, it worked great on the other critters you had, like the cockroaches.....and as you've read in my posts, it seems to work on bb's. 5 night now without a single bite. I've also noticed a reduction in the number of bb's seen crawling on the floor, ceiling, walls, etc. A big reduction actually. That is because not only do I use it as a barrier around my bed, iv'e also been spraying cracks, crevices, and all the other usual suspects.
I'm glad this is working....because I was about ready to purchase some DDT on the black market. That I KNOW works, lol.TiredOfEm - 13 hours ago »
Omg, i used to used that!! (first post btw)
the ortho worked great when i had a heavy infestation of roaches.
they were gone within a few days i believe
I knew it was working because they no longer hid in dark corner or deep crevices..they ran to the corners of the ceiling to try and quickly rebuild as a last resort..no match for ortho lol.. but the spray says it works for 12 months or so bu back to the story...
i had NO other types of bugs after using the whole gallon with the pull&spray nozzle.
but this is where i messed up: i said that i was going to buy another gallon before winter so i can prepare for any intruders but i was soo impressed and relaxed by the results i forgot about it and bam, new intruders, the annoying bedbugs...hairdryers work really good (gun shaped ones) i get them out of my couch then put down white vinegar(they run away from that)but i dont know what else to do. Im thinking about buying a specific couch with legs so i can put super sticky rat traps under them. I might try ortho again.. but i need tons of advice (as much as i can get) -
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I will for sure, thanks. Good idea re the 14 days, etc.
DragonFlight - 7 hours ago »
Jason, follow up on that, you're already on the forth day, that is good. As you mentioned spray every 2-3 days see if this works if you have to apply it every day then the product will loose hope. If you can spray every 2-3 days and it's still effective then within the 14 day trial as I mentioned, near the end you'll have to turn those last 2-3 days into spraying every 2-3 days. If that is effective you're going to have to extend that 14 day trial with another 14 days added on only after the first 14 days spray it every 7 for the remainder 14 days, then if that works then the product looks very promising. -
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I would'nt think the residual thing applies to bb's....since they arn't even listed on the product as one of the critters Ortho is recommended for. All I know is that it WORKS, at least it does for me. 5 nights now, not a single bite. As noted above....I will follow-up during, and after, the 14-day trial....especially after, when I will no longer be spraying everyday. Will see if it's still as effective as it is now. Fingers crossed!
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I've seen these at Home Depot and advertised on TV. Wonder how they achieve a one-year residual... -
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Alright Jason, let's do this and get rid of these pests... I'll get some tomorrow, hell, ill get two to make sure these pests dont come back into my life... I also heard that bio powders work (makes them stupid) and maybe the ortho and the powder can work together and make them come out of their hiding spots and into the ortho...
pls keep us updated, this is good news as they are rising here in NYC
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Good luck, hope it works out for you like it has for me, so far. I bought the 2 litre as it has an applicator gun with it. Just makes it easier, with two spray swipes; one wide, the other narrow. Also comes in 5 litres. There is a one litre, but doesn't come with a gun. The 2 litre is 17.95, while the 5 litre....if i remember correctly....is around 30.00. Probably cheaper in the USA.
TiredOfEm - 1 hour ago »
Alright Jason, let's do this and get rid of these pests... I'll get some tomorrow, hell, ill get two to make sure these pests dont come back into my life... I also heard that bio powders work (makes them stupid) and maybe the ortho and the powder can work together and make them come out of their hiding spots and into the ortho...
pls keep us updated, this is good news as they are rising here in NYC -
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Jason1 - 19 hours ago »
There may be a reason who some PCO's tell you NOT to use home/otc remedies. They don't make money if you do. But that's just my oppinion....but it seems pretty obvious to me.Actually, some of us are not PCOs and make no money by suggesting one and yet still would tell you that someone with experience in finding and killing bed bugs is probably going to be able to get them and kill them more quickly, and more thoroughly, and will be able to avoid spreading them, making them worse, or causing health problems.
It's not that it's never possible to do your own pest control, but there are a lot of GOOD reasons it's not the best idea for most people where bed bugs are concerned.
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We have a FAQ also which goes into some of the issues you should think about when considering doing your own treatment.
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we only have the one gallon around my way for $7.98(that comes with the gun) so ill stock up since its cheaper than last year.. And what's amazing is that i dosen't have the bad chemical smell that makes most sneeze, just a mild scent that my nose rarely picks up..
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I understand what you're saying....but for ME, self-treatment is the ONLY thing that has actually worked. Pest control has been coming for several months....with very minimal success. Matter of fact....NO success when it comes to the bites. Every night, bitten, even during the day sometimes. I find it odd how I can come home, 6 hours after spraying....and STILL see the damn things crawling around. Sorry, but that just seems messed up to me. Iv'e heard all the excuses under the sun for this....but I don't buy most of them. No, i'm not a bug technician, didn't go to school at Harvard or whatever to learn how to kill bugs. All I know is that iv'e found something that's working, which is far more than what anyone else has accomplished in many months. So i'm gonna go with it, as long as it continues to "work". As far as health issues....i'm careful. Most of the ingredients are pretty mild....and the permethrin is only 0.025%.
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tiredofem and jason1 sound like tv commercials for ortho.
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lol >.<
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It may not be a good idea for "some" people to self-treat....but for me, it's the ONLY thing that has worked in almost a year of being bitten on a daily/nightly basis. It's a lot more than what pest control has been able to accomplish. Even they admit they know very little about bb's. So until they can come up with something that actually WORKS....rather than draining my bank account....self-treatment is the way i'm going.
Don't get me wrong, I know what you're saying, and NOT claiming you're all incompetent, but my experience with two seperate companies has not been good.
As for health issues....most of the ingredients are pretty mild, and the permethrin is minimal @ just 0.025%. Now, if I can just figure out a way to get the damn things out of my laptop :(Nobugsonme - 1 hour ago »
Jason1 - 19 hours ago »
There may be a reason who some PCO's tell you NOT to use home/otc remedies. They don't make money if you do. But that's just my oppinion....but it seems pretty obvious to me.Actually, some of us are not PCOs and make no money by suggesting one and yet still would tell you that someone with experience in finding and killing bed bugs is probably going to be able to get them and kill them more quickly, and more thoroughly, and will be able to avoid spreading them, making them worse, or causing health problems.
It's not that it's never possible to do your own pest control, but there are a lot of GOOD reasons it's not the best idea for most people where bed bugs are concerned. -
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Bite me!
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if you could take apart your laptop, use a blow dryer (my personal fav for bbs in small places). it only takes a couple of seconds on its highest setting to kill em..or you can use a vacuum to get them out. a prof. told me its no worries once they're in the bag
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Jason1 - 3 hours ago »
for me, it's the ONLY thing that has worked in almost a year of being bitten on a daily/nightly basis. It's a lot more than what pest control has been able to accomplish. Even they admit they know very little about bb's. So until they can come up with something that actually WORKS....rather than draining my bank account....self-treatment is the way i'm going.
Don't get me wrong, I know what you're saying, and NOT claiming you're all incompetent, but my experience with two seperate companies has not been good.You're basically saying your company hired a lousy PCO, they did not get the job done -- which may have been as much about which units the owner paid them/allowed them to treat, as much as anything else, though we do not know. (Of course, if attached units with bed bugs are the problem, self-treatment probably won't succeed either, at least not without a lot of successful caulking and other sealing methods.)
It may also be your PCO was not knowledgeable. Obviously, incompetent PCOs are not what I am recommending.
Bed bugs are widely becoming resistant to pyrethroid insecticides. For this reason, my understanding is that a knowledgeable PCO will usually use a combination of steam and/or dusts and/or various pesticides, and not simply a pyrethroid on its own.
In saying this, I am not suggesting you run out and start putting down a lot of other stuff. I am not a PCO and not qualified to recommend a course of treatment, and frankly, I don't think people should be giving or getting advice about pesticide use from strangers on the internet.
My point is that it is not always a simple thing to kill bed bugs. I wish you well and I am glad you are taking precautions.
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TiredOfEm - 3 hours ago »
...or you can use a vacuum to get them out. a prof. told me its no worries once they're in the bagBut remember that you have to immediately remove that vacuum bag, seal it in an airtight plastic bag, and throw it away.
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Thanks for your comments. You're right, killing bb's definately isn't as simple as it SHOULD be. I just can't believe, in 2009, with everything we are able to accomplish.....yet we can't come up with a sollution for bed bugs??
The main problem I suppose is because they don't carry disease, they arn't considered a threat....so not much is being done in the way of R&D. I'm a little skeptical about the disease aspect though. I mean, really, I don't see any reason why they "couldn't" carry desease from human to human....when other similar critters can?
I saw recently on the news there was a big bed bug convention in the USA. Wonder what, if anything, came out of it?
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for me, it's the ONLY thing that has worked in almost a year of being bitten on a daily/nightly basis. It's a lot more than what pest control has been able to accomplish. Even they admit they know very little about bb's. So until they can come up with something that actually WORKS....rather than draining my bank account....self-treatment is the way i'm going.
Don't get me wrong, I know what you're saying, and NOT claiming you're all incompetent, but my experience with two seperate companies has not been good.You're basically saying your company hired a lousy PCO, they did not get the job done -- which may have been as much about which units the owner paid them/allowed them to treat, as much as anything else, though we do not know. (Of course, if attached units with bed bugs are the problem, self-treatment probably won't succeed either, at least not without a lot of successful caulking and other sealing methods.)
It may also be your PCO was not knowledgeable. Obviously, incompetent PCOs are not what I am recommending.
Bed bugs are widely becoming resistant to pyrethroid insecticides. For this reason, my understanding is that a knowledgeable PCO will usually use a combination of steam and/or dusts and/or various pesticides, and not simply a pyrethroid on its own.
In saying this, I am not suggesting you run out and start putting down a lot of other stuff. I am not a PCO and not qualified to recommend a course of treatment, and frankly, I don't think people should be giving or getting advice about pesticide use from strangers on the internet.
My point is that it is not always a simple thing to kill bed bugs. I wish you well and I am glad you are taking precautions. -
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OMG I don't want to have to take my laptop apart. Eeeeek! I was hoping the heat from leaving it running all the time would kill the little b@stards....but no!
I wonder what would happen if I put the laptop in the freezer for a few days? Freezing kills bb's....but I don't suspect the freezing, then subsequent thawing/moisure would be a good thing for the guts of the computer!
Damn, BRING BACK DDT!!!! It's the only thing that was 100% effective in killing bb's. Besides, it's a proven fact we use things on a daily basis, far worse than what DDT ever was. Everything these days causes cancer it seems. I'll take the risk to get rid of these vermin!!
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if you could take apart your laptop, use a blow dryer (my personal fav for bbs in small places). it only takes a couple of seconds on its highest setting to kill em..or you can use a vacuum to get them out. a prof. told me its no worries once they're in the bag -
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Jason1,
I just posted a long response in another thread about why DDT is not, in fact, the panacea people want to make it out to be.
I understand how frustrating dealing with bed bugs can be. I vividly remember the desperation I felt when I had them. However, we're unlikely to find any single magic bullet to treat bed bugs.
Rather than retype or repost the whole thing, I'm just going to link to the response I left there.
http://bedbugger.com/forum/topic/super-gone-with-ddvp
The only thing to point out is what one of the PCOs did. DDVP strips are only labeled for use in unoccupied areas or areas occupied for less than 4 hours a day.
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OMG I don't want to have to take my laptop apart. Eeeeek! I was hoping the heat from leaving it running all the time would kill the little b@stards....but no!
I wonder what would happen if I put the laptop in the freezer for a few days? Freezing kills bb's....but I don't suspect the freezing, then subsequent thawing/moisure would be a good thing for the guts of the computer!Yeah, I'd be wary of freezing the laptop. Moisture could wreck it, as may the cold. Your screen is a "liquid" crystal, after all. Besides, a household freezer is not universally viewed as effective. There are fumigation places that take individual items. Some people have advised to bag it with a pest strip, others warn that the DDVP will corrode the electronics. A PCO I spoke with recommends bagging with mothballs (there are two different types, all with caviats and warnings). If you do mothball indoors, I recommend the 5 gallon plastic utility buckets sold at the big home centers. Pretty airtight and odor tight.
If you're treating the home, I'd expect that while bugs may enter your machine, they'll eventually come out to eat or hang out elsewhere and be poisoned or intercepted by you.
Finally, if you have a IBM or Lenovo machine, you're in luck...their support websites include detailed step-by step instructions for dismantling the equipment.
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well jason... theres some computer programs that let you benchmark your laptop and tell you what temperature its on.. I used to do it for fun when i had 4 gigs in my latitude D620 and it got PRETTY hot. The laptop still works and is bb free. (i never knew they can get into the laptop o.0 well hey, i guess not all bbs are the same..)try prime http://files.extremeoverclocking.com/file.php?f=103 its supposedly a torture test that you can run overnight that might scare them
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I really wish they had this in Costa Rica. I am in major trouble down here with bed bugs!! Glad you got your issue resolved.
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Jason1 - How is that coming along with the spray ? What is the progress ?
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Thanks, i'll check out that link over the weekend when I have more time.
Interesting reading!
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Jason1,
I just posted a long response in another thread about why DDT is not, in fact, the panacea people want to make it out to be.
I understand how frustrating dealing with bed bugs can be. I vividly remember the desperation I felt when I had them. However, we're unlikely to find any single magic bullet to treat bed bugs.
Rather than retype or repost the whole thing, I'm just going to link to the response I left there.
http://bedbugger.com/forum/topic/super-gone-with-ddvp
The only thing to point out is what one of the PCOs did. DDVP strips are only labeled for use in unoccupied areas or areas occupied for less than 4 hours a day. -
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I'm going to have to check out that "mothballs" thing. Sounds like it may be the way to go. I think I have quite a few bb's in my laptop as I see them everyday running around the keyboard, shortly after I begin typing.
I saw on the news today they were talking about a "bb sauna" just opened up here in vancouver where I live. Sounds very interesting. I see an article posted on the front page of this website about it too!
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OMG I don't want to have to take my laptop apart. Eeeeek! I was hoping the heat from leaving it running all the time would kill the little b@stards....but no!
I wonder what would happen if I put the laptop in the freezer for a few days? Freezing kills bb's....but I don't suspect the freezing, then subsequent thawing/moisure would be a good thing for the guts of the computer!Yeah, I'd be wary of freezing the laptop. Moisture could wreck it, as may the cold. Your screen is a "liquid" crystal, after all. Besides, a household freezer is not universally viewed as effective. There are fumigation places that take individual items. Some people have advised to bag it with a pest strip, others warn that the DDVP will corrode the electronics. A PCO I spoke with recommends bagging with mothballs (there are two different types, all with caviats and warnings). If you do mothball indoors, I recommend the 5 gallon plastic utility buckets sold at the big home centers. Pretty airtight and odor tight.
If you're treating the home, I'd expect that while bugs may enter your machine, they'll eventually come out to eat or hang out elsewhere and be poisoned or intercepted by you.
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So far so good....although I did see a couple mid-sized bugs (2) at the foot of the bed, when I woke-up this morning.....during my usual "inspection", lol. I have a question....does anyone else do that? (the inspection) Maybe it's just my paranoia but I inspect my covers, sheets, pillow cases, mattress, etc, before I even get out of bed. I mean like a fine tooth comb! I'm pretty much obsessive about it.
Anyway, like I said....I found 2 bedbugs, the first ones iv'e found in a week since I started the spraying. One was dead....but it didn't look like I killed it by rolling over on it or anything. I suspect it just made it to the bed before dying from the poison.
The other one was almost dead....hardly moving. It didn't look like it was rolled over on either. Can usually tell when they've been squashed. And I had no bites.Starting Monday....i'm going to begin spraying every 2-3 days, rather than everyday. I'll report my findings as I have been.
I still see bb's in other locations of my apartment....but their is definately a reduction since I started spraying, no doubt about it. Been using the spray in all the usual places, not just as a barrier/trap around my bed. What is yet to be determined is if Ortho is going to be the "complete" sollution.....I suspect not, but the fact i'm not getting "bitten" anymore, at least in bed, is part of the sollution....the biggest part for me, lol. Obviously I still have to get rid of them....and not sure if what i'm doing will accomplish that, but it's a good start.
I shouldn't say i'm not getting bitten at all....i'm still getting the odd bite while using my laptop. I'm careful, but they are so damn small....they drop down on my leg(s), or get on my arms without my noticing....until the "itch". I'm one of the unlucky ones who is VERY sensitive to the itching. Drives me insane!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Thanks, i'm gonna d/l that and see what happens!
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well jason... theres some computer programs that let you benchmark your laptop and tell you what temperature its on.. I used to do it for fun when i had 4 gigs in my latitude D620 and it got PRETTY hot. The laptop still works and is bb free. (i never knew they can get into the laptop o.0 well hey, i guess not all bbs are the same..)try prime http://files.extremeoverclocking.com/file.php?f=103 its supposedly a torture test that you can run overnight that might scare them -
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Keep looking, i'm sure they have "similar" products, if not the very same.
Oh I wouldn't say the issue is "resolved" just yet. A long ways to go before I can say that! All I can say right now is that it's been very helpful.
selfishself - 10 hours ago »
I really wish they had this in Costa Rica. I am in major trouble down here with bed bugs!! Glad you got your issue resolved.
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From the reports, thus far the spray is killing them upon contact they seem to make it only so far before dying, so that means that they are all not avoiding the chemicals, some are but as you mentioned the ones that are desperate are crossing but are dying shortly after. How many days has it been thus far ? How many times did you spray so far in the past how many days ?
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Place your laptop in a bag with a Home Defense strip formerly known as Vapona, retail at about $12, not rated for bb but they work, active ingredient dichlorovos, moth ball will work too but your laptop will forever smell like them
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Thanks. I think I saw those strips at the same place I bought the Home Defense Max, spray.
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Today (Sunday) will be 10 nights. I've sprayed every night so far....but beginning tomorrow, i'm going to reduce it to every second night. Then, depending on what happens....I will reduce it further to every 3 nights. I'm hoping it will still be as effective spraying a couple times a week, as it is every day....since the residue remains, and it's very sticky. Who knows, maybe i'll be able to get away with spraying just once a week....or less. I just don's know yet untill these trials are complete.
Still no bb bites during this time (in bed). Getting a few while using my laptop, unfortunately, as very small babies they are coming out of the keyboard, etc. I'll be addressing that issue this week!
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From the reports, thus far the spray is killing them upon contact they seem to make it only so far before dying, so that means that they are all not avoiding the chemicals, some are but as you mentioned the ones that are desperate are crossing but are dying shortly after. How many days has it been thus far ? How many times did you spray so far in the past how many days ? -
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Would you kindly write what other things you are doing besides the spray and the other things you mentioned. Are you vacuuming like a madman, etc. Also, you might wanna try the liquid DE in conjunction with the Orthro. I think you can put your laptop on a table and then surround the laptop w/liquid DE and leave it on the table and any bbs that come out will cross the liquid DE and die. Here is the link for the liquid DE http://bedbugger.com/forum/topic/four-months-bite-free-steps-taken#post-35316.
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hi jason,
just wondering why you're spraying every day if the product has a residual? i know i've stuck my nose in on this topic before, but i'm a bit worried about the amount of pesiticide exposure you're subjecting yourself to (and perhaps encouraging amongst others) with the daily sprayings. spraying much less often should still yield positive results.
the msds for this product is available here:
http://www.scottscanada.ca/index.cfm/event/ProductGuide.product/documentId/D03AD7A4B8FBCC50CD71086E074C6573also the scotts canada website specifically states that ortho home defence max should be used for spot treatments only when spraying indoors, and not as a broadly used spray. you can find that statement here: http://www.scottscanada.ca/index.cfm/event/media.detail/documentId/5f6800e8d60893c99eb6aeb3154f9557
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http://www.beyondpesticides.org/infoservices/pesticidefactsheets/toxic/pyrethroid.htm
Bifenthrin is an off-white to pale tan waxy solid, characterized by its slightly sweet smell. As a Restricted Use Pesticide, bifenthrin may only be purchased or applied by certified applicators or persons under the direct supervision of a certified applicator. EPA has registered bifenthrin for use on greenhouse ornamentals and cotton. Studies show bifenthrin to be relatively insoluble in water. Its half-life in soil can range anywhere from 7 days to 8 months depending on the soil type and the amount of air in the soil (ETN, Bifenthrin, 1995). Bifenthrin is one of a few synthetic pyrethroids that are relatively stable in direct sunlight. EPA has classified products containing bienthrin as toxicity class II (I = most toxic, IV = least toxic), and the word WARNING must appear on all product labels.
Bifenthrin is moderately toxic to mammals when ingested (oral rat LD50 = 54 to 70 mg/kg), and like all pyrethroids affects the central nervous system. Symptoms of poisoning include incoordination, tremor, salivation, vomiting, diarrhea, and irritability to sound and touch (ETN Bifenthrin, 1995). Although bifenthrin does not cause inflammation or irritation on human skin, it can cause a tingling sensation, lasting about 12 hours. A study on laboratory mice shows that bifenthrin causes gene mutation in white blood cells (ETN, Bifenthrin, 1995). EPA classifies bifenthrin as a Class C (possible human) carcinogen (EPA, 1997). Of concern in the environment, bifenthrin is very highly toxic to fish, crustaceans, other aquatic animals and bees, and is moderately toxic to birds. Scientists are particularly concerned about possible bioaccumulation in birds.
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EffeCi - 4 minutes ago »
Wow... you're using a bifenthrin based insecticide in your home daily... that's great....He's not ingesting the insecticide, which is the primary source of toxicity in these studies. According to the study, the lowest average lethal dose (LD50) is 54mg/kg. The average human male is 76 kg. He'd have to EAT (not spray) about 4.1grams of this poison every day in order to accumulate a toxic dose. That's quite a bit.
Spraying it periodically and walking away is not going to do much damage. Spraying it every day, for many years, while remaining around it, WILL cause a problem. That's my interpretation and I've done some body chemistry in the past.
I'm curious about how long I should put my laptop in with the Vapona. I can't do without it for a few months. Would a few days be okay?
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IIRC, Vapona is DDVP. DDVP is corrosive. It wouldn't be my first choice for treating electronics.
In the other thread about your laptop, I see that you noted that the computer in question is a Mac.
One option would be to head over to an Apple retail store and check to see if they would be willing to take the computer apart and inspect it. I know that Apple stores, esp. if you're still covered under AppleCare, will take apart and clean the inside of a laptop.
It's pretty rare, actually, for there to be bed bugs in electronics. That's not to say it doesn't happen. It is to say that when it happens, which isn't that often, it usually happens in infestations that are pretty far along with a lot of bugs, which isn't what it sounds like yours is based on your posts.
Also, while we're on the subject, you posted that you or your SO was getting small bites and you speculated that the small bites were from nymphs. There is a lot that we don't know conclusively about bed bugs. However, the research that we do have suggests that even though intuition tells us that you'd expect nymphs to produce smaller bites, that's not the case. There's video about here of an entomologist doing a bite test on people and the adult and nymph bites swelled up to the same size on the person.
Hope some of that helps. I'll be curious to see what else people say about the laptops.
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I hadn't thought about liquid DE, thanks. Worth maybe trying also.
As for vacuuming....I don't vacuum as much as I probably should. I have a small apartment so usually just use a broom. The only vacuum I have is one of those mini-vacs. Like those you use in a car. Have to get down on my hands and knees, lol. Maybe it's time to invest in a decent vac if it's that important? Is the importance of a vacuum because of baby bb's and eggs hiding in areas on the floor?
Other than the spraying....there really isn't much else i'm doing at this point, except for when pest control comes in!
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Would you kindly write what other things you are doing besides the spray and the other things you mentioned. Are you vacuuming like a madman, etc. Also, you might wanna try the liquid DE in conjunction with the Orthro. I think you can put your laptop on a table and then surround the laptop w/liquid DE and leave it on the table and any bbs that come out will cross the liquid DE and die. Here is the link for the liquid DE http://bedbugger.com/forum/topic/four-months-bite-free-steps-taken#post-35316. -
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I would be very wary of using DE in a liquid suspension on a surface like a desk. After all, it's liquid when it's in suspension, but eventually the liquid is going to dry, at which point you'll have DE in dust form again which becomes an inhalation hazard. While using a liquid to get the DE into hard to reach places makes sense, the surface of a desk is hardly a hard to reach place and the dust DE left behind after it dries is likely to get kicked up pretty easily.
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Yes, i'm probably spraying too much. Guess i'm just paranoid about having these damn bb's crawling all over me again. After going almost 10 nights without a single bite....I really don't want to go through that hell again!
I will say, however, even though iv'e been spraying every night, I don't spray the floor until soaking wet, usually just a light to medium "film". Sometimes it's more on the wet side, but not soaking wet. Also, the windows are open several hours, even all night, after spraying....and I don't go to bed for at least 3-4 hours after I spray. So I am using precautions.
Just the same, as noted above, I AM cutting back on the spraying pretty significantly beginning tomorrow. As you said....being that their is residue, the results should be the same. It's reasonable to think that, and it's what I hope for. I'll find out soon!
I did see the recomendations, warnings, etc, Ortho lists in their documentation....but i'm pretty sure in some cases it's just a matter of covering their bases, for liability reasons. It's like that with everything. There are MANY examples of products on the market, that, if used EXACTLY how they tell you to use them, are almost useless, or I should say, far LESS useful. Combating bed bugs isn't even listed on the packaging as one of the pests Home Defense combats....yet 9 nights without bites tells me it works on them. And when I have used it to spray on any live ones iv'e seen....it's almost instant, dead!
lil_bit_obsessed - 1 hour ago »
hi jason,
just wondering why you're spraying every day if the product has a residual? i know i've stuck my nose in on this topic before, but i'm a bit worried about the amount of pesiticide exposure you're subjecting yourself to (and perhaps encouraging amongst others) with the daily sprayings. spraying much less often should still yield positive results.
the msds for this product is available here:
http://www.scottscanada.ca/index.cfm/event/ProductGuide.product/documentId/D03AD7A4B8FBCC50CD71086E074C6573
also the scotts canada website specifically states that ortho home defence max should be used for spot treatments only when spraying indoors, and not as a broadly used spray. you can find that statement here: http://www.scottscanada.ca/index.cfm/event/media.detail/documentId/5f6800e8d60893c99eb6aeb3154f9557 -
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I guess i'm ok then because I don't have ANY of those symptoms!
Like I said before, there is far worse used on a daily basis people think is perfectly fine.
If the tree huggers didn't cry until DDT was banned....we most likely wouldn't have this problem. Although I know that's debatable. Seems damn near EVERYTHING causes cancer anyway!
EffeCi - 37 minutes ago »
Wow... you're using a bifenthrin based insecticide in your home daily... that's great....
from
http://www.beyondpesticides.org/infoservices/pesticidefactsheets/toxic/pyrethroid.htm
Bifenthrin is an off-white to pale tan waxy solid, characterized by its slightly sweet smell. As a Restricted Use Pesticide, bifenthrin may only be purchased or applied by certified applicators or persons under the direct supervision of a certified applicator. EPA has registered bifenthrin for use on greenhouse ornamentals and cotton. Studies show bifenthrin to be relatively insoluble in water. Its half-life in soil can range anywhere from 7 days to 8 months depending on the soil type and the amount of air in the soil (ETN, Bifenthrin, 1995). Bifenthrin is one of a few synthetic pyrethroids that are relatively stable in direct sunlight. EPA has classified products containing bienthrin as toxicity class II (I = most toxic, IV = least toxic), and the word WARNING must appear on all product labels.
Bifenthrin is moderately toxic to mammals when ingested (oral rat LD50 = 54 to 70 mg/kg), and like all pyrethroids affects the central nervous system. Symptoms of poisoning include incoordination, tremor, salivation, vomiting, diarrhea, and irritability to sound and touch (ETN Bifenthrin, 1995). Although bifenthrin does not cause inflammation or irritation on human skin, it can cause a tingling sensation, lasting about 12 hours. A study on laboratory mice shows that bifenthrin causes gene mutation in white blood cells (ETN, Bifenthrin, 1995). EPA classifies bifenthrin as a Class C (possible human) carcinogen (EPA, 1997). Of concern in the environment, bifenthrin is very highly toxic to fish, crustaceans, other aquatic animals and bees, and is moderately toxic to birds. Scientists are particularly concerned about possible bioaccumulation in birds. -
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He's not ingesting the insecticide, which is the primary source of toxicity in these studies.
Unfortunately with the amount of pesticide he is spraying, he likely is ingesting some of it. Even with smaller amounts of pesticides, there is always the risk of having it on your clothes, hands, the items you touch etc., and then eating, drinking, or even just touching your face afterwards, thereby transferring it to your mouth.
Keep in mind, also, that pesticides can enter the bloodstream through routes other than the mouth. The eyes are one such route.
we need to keep in mind that some people will come to this website feeling desperate to find ANYTHING that will help them get rid of the bugs. I don't want someone to walk away from this thread thinking that it's okay for them to overspray or to ignore msds recommendations.
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But as the poster noted....I would have to ingest ALOT before it would be deemed harmful. And considering what i'm doing....that is impossible.
Iv'e already listed the precautions i'm taking.
People on this board, even if "desperate".... are intelligent enough to understand the steps specific individuals are taking to combat this problem, are steps "they" are taking. I'm not telling others to do the same as what i'm doing....i'm just saying what works for "me". If they wanna try it, so be it.
IMO, what iv'e been doing, along with the precautions i'm taking....are next to harmless. I am NOT breathing in toxic fumes, nor am I ingesting any.....definately not any to harmful levels.
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Fearful_and_Buggy - 43 minutes ago »
He's not ingesting the insecticide, which is the primary source of toxicity in these studies.Unfortunately with the amount of pesticide he is spraying, he likely is ingesting some of it. Even with smaller amounts of pesticides, there is always the risk of having it on your clothes, hands, the items you touch etc., and then eating, drinking, or even just touching your face afterwards, thereby transferring it to your mouth.
Keep in mind, also, that pesticides can enter the bloodstream through routes other than the mouth. The eyes are one such route.
we need to keep in mind that some people will come to this website feeling desperate to find ANYTHING that will help them get rid of the bugs. I don't want someone to walk away from this thread thinking that it's okay for them to overspray or to ignore msds recommendations. -
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Just an update from this morning. I found 2 bb in the ring of death. Some are slowly trying to make it through. I suppose they're getting desperate and hungry. I found a couple a few day's ago aswell, and a couple that made it to my bed....but were doa!
I'm now spraying every 3 days....then switching to weekly to see if the results remain the same!
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Jason,
Effici excerpted this:
As a Restricted Use Pesticide, bifenthrin may only be purchased or applied by certified applicators or persons under the direct supervision of a certified applicator.
You're using a restricted use pesticide outside of the label's instructions.As you said, it's your choice.
But I would strongly discourage anyone from doing this. (And I see there's no point in trying to discourage you, but I am talking to all the others who may come along and read this.)
People who read the forums are often desperate to try anything. They will often jump on the advice of anyone claiming to have found a safe, cheap, easy, simple solution they can buy at the local store.
People who come here in a crisis often not thinking straight. We KNOW this because they often come back LATER and tell us they did the wrong thing. They often aren't in the right mind to be researching or making careful choices.
We're cautioning your solution may not be as safe, easy, simple or cheap as it sounds.
Although people have focused on the safety of applying pesticides daily (which I also do not think is a good idea, healthwise), there are also other reasons we recommend against DIY pest control. One is that some pesticides, overapplied, may cause repellency. (That's something people often think is a good idea -- with bed bugs, it isn't. It means bed bugs dispersed throughout your home even more thoroughly, and even more diffcult to eradicate.)
I can't comment on the chemicals you're using --I'm not qualified. I've been reading about bed bugs for three years, and I am not qualified to advise people about this.
Perhaps some of the PCOs will comment on that aspect of your plan, just for others who may come later.
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Well, all I know is, what i'm doing is WORKING, and after being bitten daily for months....I havn't been bitten, not once, in bed, since I started this regime 12 day's ago.
There are risks in EVERYTHING. I could get hit by a bus crossing the street while trying to get rid of a damn bb crawling under my shirt, lol. Ok, that's a little dramatic....but you get the message.For me, my "mental" health is far more important than the MINIMAL, and I do mean "minimal" health risk i'm taking with this spray. Not only have people with knowledge on the matter pointed out the minimal risks in this thread....but iv'e also researched the risks myself.....and the fact of the matter is this; the small amount of toxicity i'm taking in, is next to harmless.....taking into consideration the precautions i'm taking, which in previous posts iv'e noted for all to see. It would ONLY be harmful over an extended period of time, and with far greater levels of chemicals inhaled/ingested.
Now those are FACTS. I don't know what else to tell you.
Hell, the packaging itself says for "indoor" and outdoor use....and says nothing about a restricted pesticide, nor does it say anything about being used by certified individuals only. It's a domestic insecticide that can be used by anyone.
Furthermore, iv'e already cut back to 3 days per week....and will be pulling back to once a week, as long as the results remain the same.
BTW, not only is the barrier holding....iv'e noticed an overall reduction in the bb i'm seeing after spraying all the crack, crevices, under counters, etc.
Iv'e never said this was the silver bullett....it's NOT, cause I still have bb, but it's helping, and with the barrier, i'm no longer getting bitten in bed. End of story!
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Jason,
Effici excerpted this:
As a Restricted Use Pesticide, bifenthrin may only be purchased or applied by certified applicators or persons under the direct supervision of a certified applicator.
You're using a restricted use pesticide outside of the label's instructions.
As you said, it's your choice.
But I would strongly discourage anyone from doing this. (And I see there's no point in trying to discourage you, but I am talking to all the others who may come along and read this.)
People who read the forums are often desperate to try anything. They will often jump on the advice of anyone claiming to have found a safe, cheap, easy, simple solution they can buy at the local store.
People who come here in a crisis often not thinking straight. We KNOW this because they often come back LATER and tell us they did the wrong thing. They often aren't in the right mind to be researching or making careful choices.
We're cautioning your solution may not be as safe, easy, simple or cheap as it sounds.
Although people have focused on the safety of applying pesticides daily (which I also do not think is a good idea, healthwise), there are also other reasons we recommend against DIY pest control. One is that some pesticides, overapplied, may cause repellency. (That's something people often think is a good idea -- with bed bugs, it isn't. It means bed bugs dispersed throughout your home even more thoroughly, and even more diffcult to eradicate.)
I can't comment on the chemicals you're using --I'm not qualified. I've been reading about bed bugs for three years, and I am not qualified to advise people about this.
Perhaps some of the PCOs will comment on that aspect of your plan, just for others who may come later. -
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Jason you are doing the right thing. What would you rather live with a little chemicals or bed bugs ? I would take take chemicals, and besides as already mentioned a large dose on a regular basis would have an effect. In other words you would have to spray, every day for probably over a year or longer, since you are cutting back on the spraying that is unlikely.
Have you cut back the spraying to every 3-4 days and is it just as effective ? If so the the next step is every week followed by bi-weekly, I would consider bi-weekly the limit.
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Thank-you. I think it's more of a "liability" thing with some of the people rejecting my spraying regime. Obviosly the people who operate and run this board don't want someone to get poisoned....and I can understand that. On the other hand, iv'e explained how basically harmless what i'm doing is, at the levels i'm doing it, and the precautions i'm taking.....and i'm getting tired of explaining the same damn thing, over and over and over again!
Yes, iv'e cut back to 3 days....and it's just as effective, no change. I'm spraying tonight, Friday.....then will begin once a week spraying. Yea, bi-weekly would most likely be my limit.
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Jason you are doing the right thing. What would you rather live with a little chemicals or bed bugs ? I would take take chemicals, and besides as already mentioned a large dose on a regular basis would have an effect. In other words you would have to spray, every day for probably over a year or longer, since you are cutting back on the spraying that is unlikely.
Have you cut back the spraying to every 3-4 days and is it just as effective ? If so the the next step is every week followed by bi-weekly, I would consider bi-weekly the limit. -
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Keep up what your doing, I support it. Don't do no more explaining, your going to do it this way as it's been effective and that's it. Some people don't want to see no bugs, no even spiders which I welcome and even greet :) As far as I know we have some wolf spiders, I just saw one climbing on my ceiling this morning, they can jump quick. Let me know how it goes after a week.
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LOL, sounds like me, iv'e always liked spiders actually, never had a problem with them at all.....and never wanted to kill one. Also, iv'e heard they will KILL bb's....all the MORE reason to love them!!
Whenever I see a spidey it seems all's right in the world, heh!
DragonFlight - 4 minutes ago »
Keep up what your doing, I support it. Don't do no more explaining, your going to do it this way as it's been effective and that's it. Some people don't want to see no bugs, no even spiders which I welcome and even greet :) As far as I know we have some wolf spiders, I just saw one climbing on my ceiling this morning, they can jump quick. Let me know how it goes after a week. -
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Spiders do kill bed bugs, especially the wolf spiders as they jump quite incredible just picturing a bed bug running and a spider like the wolf crouching down and boom it's on top of it. Or a bed bug running into a spider web and then mumbling "shit, crap" that is priceless for everything else theres "MasterCard" :)
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If on the ceiling what you likely saw was a jumping spider. Wolves tend to stay lower in their prowling.
I'd love to see video of a spider taking out a BB.
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I'm in California and where we have black widows. Widows or bedbugs which would you prefer?
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Widows, you can solve them easier. And I know you won't agree.
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LMAO, well you can "chop" them up with a Mastercard!
DragonFlight - 1 hour ago »
Spiders do kill bed bugs, especially the wolf spiders as they jump quite incredible just picturing a bed bug running and a spider like the wolf crouching down and boom it's on top of it. Or a bed bug running into a spider web and then mumbling "shit, crap" that is priceless for everything else theres "MasterCard" :) -
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Yeah, I would either that or get some wolf spiders and watch them JUMP, CATCH,KILL and then applaud the spider, Job well done :)
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Update: Another bite-free night! That's 12 nights and counting. More dead bugs found in the ring of death....4 this morning. They are getting desperate, hungry, crossing,....and DIEING!
Of course the alarmists will tell you what i'm doing may be a hazard to my health, lol, whatever....so is breathing in exaust fumes from a truck, which is a hell of alot more harmful than this particular spray i'm using.
I think some people are just overly paranoid regarding chemicals. Hey, I don't much like them either....but i'm far MORE paranoid over bb's.
I'll take my chances....i'm not dead yet, and don't plan to be :).....unless I stop spraying and the bb's bite me to death :(
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It appears as though you are close to classifying the spray as effective repellent. It is good that is it working, there is obviously something that they don't like which is why they won't cross unless desperate and those desperate seem to be taking that risk to their death. Now if you could get more to cross that ring you may be able to eliminate more. How many days apart have you sprayed recently ? You are getting a nights sleep your next task is to eliminate them completely which I believe you personally will pull off, the question is what route to take and how to plan it out ?
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I'm currently @ every 3 days.....but i'm starting weekly on Friday.
You're right, it would be better if more bb's tried to cross. The 4 last night were the most iv'e found dead in the ring since iv'e started spraying. Again, the most important thing for me is that I havn't been bitten in bed since I started this. But yea, getting RID of all of them completely is the ultimate goal.
Also, as iv'e mentioned in other messages....the spraying iv'e done in cracks, crevices, under counters, etc, has definately helped, their is just no doubt about it. I still see bb's, but there is a definate reduction, overal, since almost 2 weeks ago when I begun this regime. Some will say they have "just moved to other locations" blah blah blah, whatever, I don't believe that. And until I see them coming back in great numbers....I WON'T believe that. I'm still finding dead bugs.
As for your question about "a route to take and plan it out"....I think i'm just going to stay the course. I mean, why mess with what's working, right? Like I said, I'm no longer getting bitten in bed, and their is a reduction in bb's overal. To be honest, the only other thing i'm doing is vaccuming. But I have a crappy hand held vac since I usually just use a broom. I'm gonna have to get a decent vacuumn.
One thing I can tell you with CERTAINTY....a PCO will never be back in my apartment, not ever. Iv'e been able to accomplish more in under 2 weeks, due to word of mouth from a $9.00 an hour clerk in a hardware store, then the pco's were able to accomplish in almost a year!! Geeeeeeeeez, when I think of all the money those guys made off with. Ah well, live and learn I guess.
DragonFlight - 1 hour ago »
It appears as though you are close to classifying the spray as effective repellent. It is good that is it working, there is obviously something that they don't like which is why they won't cross unless desperate and those desperate seem to be taking that risk to their death. Now if you could get more to cross that ring you may be able to eliminate more. How many days apart have you sprayed recently ? You are getting a nights sleep your next task is to eliminate them completely which I believe you personally will pull off, the question is what route to take and how to plan it out ? -
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If you have sprayed in those areas especially baseboards, then there could be a chance that they tried to get out and just died within those locations. In which you gotta vacuum them up *. Try to hunt down where they are coming from, there could be a nest some where in the room if the room is the only location that you have them, since they can hide so well checking every nook and cranny is essential. If you found a bunch in a cluster spray them then find the random ones get some caulking to caulk baseboards and hopefully within the next 2-3 weeks you eliminate them. Get a LED light there backs are some what shiny so you can see them in dark, turn off all the lights and sit in the middle of the floor and spray around yourself then wait, best to have a magazine in case it takes time then turn on the flash light, I guarantee you see some coming towards you then just kill them manually, without them biting you from what I know they can't make babies which is a good thing. Let me know when you reduce the spray to once a week, I'm rooting for you reduce your numbers is key and I hope that you don't see nymphs cause if not that is a good sign in my opinion.
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Thanks for all your advice, appreciate it.
The LED, sitting in the middle of the room in the dark is a good idea too. Kinda creepy, lol, but worth a try. I'm sure you're right....they will make their move....then I blast them! Direct contact this stuff kills them almost instantly.
I wasn't really thinking how important a vac was, but by what you're saying and others, it's VERY important. Especially for the nymphs and eggs!
DragonFlight - 4 minutes ago »
If you have sprayed in those areas especially baseboards, then there could be a chance that they tried to get out and just died within those locations. In which you gotta vacuum them up *. Try to hunt down where they are coming from, there could be a nest some where in the room if the room is the only location that you have them, since they can hide so well checking every nook and cranny is essential. If you found a bunch in a cluster spray them then find the random ones get some caulking to caulk baseboards and hopefully within the next 2-3 weeks you eliminate them. Get a LED light there backs are some what shiny so you can see them in dark, turn off all the lights and sit in the middle of the floor and spray around yourself then wait, best to have a magazine in case it takes time then turn on the flash light, I guarantee you see some coming towards you then just kill them manually, without them biting you from what I know they can't make babies which is a good thing. Let me know when you reduce the spray to once a week, I'm rooting for you reduce your numbers is key and I hope that you don't see nymphs cause if not that is a good sign in my opinion. -
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How has it worked out for you?
TiredOfEm - 1 week ago »
Alright Jason, let's do this and get rid of these pests... I'll get some tomorrow, hell, ill get two to make sure these pests dont come back into my life... I also heard that bio powders work (makes them stupid) and maybe the ortho and the powder can work together and make them come out of their hiding spots and into the ortho...
pls keep us updated, this is good news as they are rising here in NYC
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