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Fecal on Envolope? ID please!
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Deytrollin
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Posted 1 year ago
Mon Apr 30 2012 23:43:59
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Picture:
They don't smear unless I wipe them with saliva - and they're raised dots. Auburn/rust color.
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Posted 1 year ago
Tue May 1 2012 6:53:42
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BBs fecal spots at 99.9%, sorry....
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Posted 1 year ago
Tue May 1 2012 7:15:30
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Hi,
I would want to confirm it with a faecal trace kit but its highly likely as EffeCi says.
Did it arrive in the post with the marks already on or has it been close to a bed / seating area where bedbugs may be present?
With that level of tracing if it is bedbugs then they should not be hard to find.
Hope that helps.
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Deytrollin
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Posted 1 year ago
Tue May 1 2012 13:09:16
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It has been close to my closet area and in the middle of a large pile of papers, about 6-7 feet to where I found a dead bb. But haven't found any more fecal matter in that area (except 1 paper with 1-2 poops on it), even though I am in the process of bagging everything. Haven't seen anything living yet.
What about these?
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Posted 1 year ago
Tue May 1 2012 13:42:47
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Hi,
I would look to have those traces confirmed with a faecal trace kit.
The location is not typical given where you have found the bug and with that level of activity I would have expected to find a lot more than just 1 and given the new images I am less convinced this one is bedbugs. Again if those marks are fecal I would expect to also see cast skins, eggs and other signs.
They look plausible and very convincing but without more confirming signs of activity I would call for a little CSI confirmation action.
David
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Deytrollin
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Posted 1 year ago
Tue May 1 2012 14:17:22
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Live signs in the immediate area? Or live signs somewhere I haven't checked throughly yet?
I'll let you know what I find on the bookshelf where I found the BB, because I've only done a precursory check on it. I'll ask the pco to do a confirmation on the envelope but I'm still getting my room sprayed.
The new images are from my box spring. It's on the opposite side of the room.
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Posted 1 year ago
Tue May 1 2012 15:57:55
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Hi,
With that level of faecal I would expect to see a significant level of live activity and as such also a possibly significant quantity of other trace signs such as cast skins. Put it this way there is too much there to be a single bedbug and the patterns on the bed as well would mean many harbourages so it not stacking up from an evidence side of things.
The PRO may not be up to speed on faecal trace confirmation yet as its only been on the market for a few months and pest controller training tends to move slowly.
I also appreciate that you feel that treating without confirmation is what you want but with out confirming what you are dealing with other than the one bedbug is like trying to shoot a moving target in a pitch black room while blindfolded. Its certainly as efficient. The mark of a good Pro always confirm first and be 100% sure before you rush to treat.
The odd nature of the trace signs is further confirmed by the distance between the envelope and you bed.
David
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Posted 1 year ago
Tue May 1 2012 16:46:37
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In my opinion I'm looking at fecal traces from a bed bug. With the exception of one stain i see on the mattress. But I'm on a cell phone looking so it may in fact also be a fecal stain.
You found a dead bug and fecal traces .... People often go a long time before they find live bugs and I wouldn't be waiting for that. I would start the treatment process with someone reputable in your area.
Sorry, but it's time to address the issue and take it on full steam before you find them walking all over the place. Fecal is the easiest thing for anyone to find. The other evidence is harder for most people to find.
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Deytrollin
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Tue May 1 2012 17:13:47
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Actually my school scheduled the treatment already. Sorry for not explaining here, but I live in a dormitory. I've had previous BB infestations and spread DE everywhere last year. But I'd feel a bit safer if they'd treat since I'm moving in June.
The bug and the feces could be from separate infestations. Or the bugs picked a spot where they'd have three-five different people to eat. Or picked it because there wasn't as much DE to walk over. I really don't know.
My history/story is in Here
And the bookshelf where i found the dead bb is clean
As far as cast skins go, I found this:
http://imgur.com/DyNliBut it did not have stripends or legs, and was glossy and is not a solid color. I doubt it's a skin.
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Deytrollin
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Posted 1 year ago
Tue May 1 2012 17:23:33
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Bookshelf is clean of traces.
I think the problem is that it's not localized, but at the same time I am manually checking and bagging literally all of my belongings/furniture as part of the treatment protocol and finding no evidence other than a bug and what I have posted here.
This could possibly be a cast skin, but I doubt it. It was found on my desk next to the bed.
http://imgur.com/DyNli
No stripends, legs, or oval in center and it's sort of greenish (not a solid color either)Yes, I already have a treatment scheduled. I go to a university and they're going to send a pco. I found fecal while prepping for treatment.
The thing about the mattress stains is that they don't smear when wiped with saliva, and the spots are too large and far apart. The smaller ones around it are lint, I have confirmed that by moving and ripping them. I looked behind the stains and I found nothing behind it except clean wood.
I have also had previous infestations.
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Posted 1 year ago
Tue May 1 2012 17:59:44
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Not a BB skin, it looks like something "botanic"
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Deytrollin
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Tue May 1 2012 21:12:20
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Phew.
As soon as I clean more areas, I will let you know if I find traces in another area of the room.
Can someone tell me what happens to fecal matter over time, and how long it takes to decompose?
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Posted 1 year ago
Wed May 2 2012 0:01:26
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Good luck. I would never have guessed that's fecal (saving up for the bedbug blue next). OCD....it gets expensive.
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Deytrollin
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Wed May 2 2012 1:07:38
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It was the feeling (raised bumps) that tipped me off.... And the smear.
David, I really think DE is the reason for this "odd" behavior, and the distance between the bed and the fecal site. I never realized even small amounts of Diatomaceous Earth could act as a repellant. I think I drove them deep into their crevices b/c I applied it by letting the dust particles spread around the open room. Most of the undisturbed and open spaces have a very thin layer of DE mixed with normal dust on top. Practically invisible, even. When I applied it, I assumed that as long as it wasn't in piles bed bugs wouldn't try to avoid it. I think that's why I'm not seeing many signs of them near the bed or my furniture... They both have residual DE on them. But as far as I know, the high areas, including both the closet top and the mounted bookshelf (the "closet" is a wooden structure built into a niche in the studio wall) should have very little DE. And to avoid it, they MIGHT be scattering into smaller, more spread out aggregations instead of one localized bigger one. It was applied in spring 2011 and most likely before this most recent batch came in, so who knows? It doesn't fit how the older "pet" BBs died in front of me back when I first applied it. Back then, appearance and disappearance of bites closely matched the death of those BBs so I think this new infestation is unrelated.
Guys, put this in the FAQ or something. I think I messed up very, very bad... Please tell me the residual effect of DE expires after a year....
About the fecal matter: I answered my own question. What I believe to be fecal matter from 2009 still smears, and is still a raised bump like the evelope fecal. The only difference is that it's brown/black. Now I'm wondering, does the auburn color make it recent? How recent?
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Posted 1 year ago
Wed May 2 2012 13:50:27
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Hi,
The information on a previous infestation explains the odd behaviour more than the use of DE. I have not heard from anyone else that DE can have a repellent effect on bedbugs even when over applied although like any sighted creature they are more likely to avoid a barrier of it even if its only a few millimeters deep.
The fact of some many faecal traces so far from the bed and with the bed a lot of potential faecal with no other confirming signs would only be possible if we are talking about a low level infestation which consisted only of adult bedbugs which starts to border on the statistically improbable scenario.
Yes some of us can age faecal races although it is far from an exact science and can only really be done with 100mm + specialist macro lenses and high resolution cameras (not the kind of thing many have).
As so much of this has my sixth sense tingling I would say proceed with caution hence the suggest to confirm this with a faecal trace kit. Given the other factors in your case you need to get this one right first time.
David Cain
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Deytrollin
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Posted 1 year ago
Wed May 2 2012 15:47:22
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That is what I heard on Jeff's site. DE acts as a repellant because the bugs can sense how dry it is.
The infestations don't explain it entirely because thus far I have had only two "pets" since 2010, when I recieved the envelope and put it in the stack. Unless they lived in my room and bit the neighbors, (do realize, that when I say "neighbors" they were simply on the other side of a door in the next room: and in terms of distance they were closer to the bugs) there was no way there would be enough to create that sort of fecal matter. If the infestation spread back to me, I did not take appropriate measures by applying only DE. The bed bug population would have exploded. Yet what I am finding is too little evidence for that. At a year and 4 months I would have seen live bugs. I had 4 months in between bites, it has been a year since I was bitten last, and when I had bites was the only time I ever saw (dead) BBs.
If I am truly being bitten now I have somehow gone straight from bullions to bruises/non-reaction. If this is more than 15 bugs than I have suddenly stopped reacting.I found what could be a blood spot on my nightgown today though.
Also one dead bug head. I'm hoping that's the other half of Pet 2. Dropped the sample inspecting it.
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Wed May 2 2012 15:59:26
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Which Jeff? I know of two and neither of which I would consider to be as knowledgable that anyone should take what they say as gospel.
Bottom line you either have a one in a billion infestation pattern or not bedbugs. This data is not stacking up.
David
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Deytrollin
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Posted 1 year ago
Sat May 5 2012 2:43:12
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Jeff White.
In any case, after gutting the room and checking everything, I found two more dead bugs, some more of what could be fecal, and all of it near/on the closet structure. Some areas of my loveseat are inaccessible, but aside from that my room is clean and I never found live ones.
The dead ones were one nymph (dried, old?) and one adult female. (mutilated, i only found the top part of its abdomen).
Fecal?
http://imgur.com/wFI8r
http://imgur.com/XRhrtBut in any case, I will eventually just videotape myself sleeping and I'll know the answer.
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Deytrollin
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Posted 1 year ago
Wed May 16 2012 0:09:33
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Just updating to say that I was sprayed, and my bruising became more infrequent soon after. Down from 2 per day to having a 5 day interval between bruises. I went to the doctor and my blood count came back today and it was normal. My PCO didn't see any live bugs but confirmed my dead samples were BBs. Idk if I should make a new topic to update my situation. Nobugs likes things in one thread... I think I will make this my main thread.
Would a diagram of my room and the neighbor's rooms be helpful to anyone still reading this? I can estimate where the neighbors' beds are for some rooms.
I may have said this in another thread but my next door neighbor (left side) has been getting bitten by something every 2-3 days for about a month now. There's no evidence on her side and her bites are less frequent than my bruises, but started much earlier....Assuming it's not a wild coincidence created by some trolling deity, I don't think she's the source. I can't be the source either because then my infestation pattern would actually make sense and it would be everywhere. I have rooms above and below me. There is a good possibility someone's bed is directly above my closet area.
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