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Ever use Tridye or No Pest Strips?
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begonebedbugs
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Posted 8 months ago
Fri Mar 13 2009 21:28:43
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I called Cooper and they recommended treating my whole house with steam and vacuum's plus Tridye (I havent heard of this one yet) - and also suggested I put all my non clothes closet stuff in huge bags with a few No Pest Strips in it for a week or so.
I would really appreciate some advice. I have one company that wants to spray/steam and fog - and the other wants to steam and vacuum/spray I guess.
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bedbugdude
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Sat Mar 14 2009 9:33:05
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Tri-die is an aerosole charged can of three kinds of dusts and has synthetic pyrethroids in it and it can be used to treat cracks n crevices to either come in contact with insects or pretreat the area to kill off insects that venture into that area afterwards. The no pest strips are a bendable/cutable strip of material that is treated with chemicals that release vapors and those vapors kill insects when they breath these vapors in. So if you put a bunch of clothes into plastic bags and toss a strip in it it will kill any/all insects that are in the bag. A week is plenty of time to kill any insect in the bags and I guess it saves you the hastle of washing/drying/rebagging your clothes however I would keep them bagged up for 3 weeks just in case any be bugd eggs are in your clothes. If there ARE any eggs your giving them 2 weeks to hatch and another week to kill of the emerging nymphs.
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begonebedbugs
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Sat Mar 14 2009 10:22:51
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Thanks for the response! I think were going to try the strip for our bagged closet stuff like shoes - photo albums - books and stuff that cant be washed. I've already laundered all of the clothes but worry about unpacking all the other supplies once we feel comfortable that the rooms are clear!
I asked about Tridye as its what Cooper uses and I wanted to know if it was any good or better/just the same as other sprays.
I appreciate your feedback.
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bedbugdude
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Posted 8 months ago
Sat Mar 14 2009 13:55:30
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In my opinion it really dosen't matter WHAT chemicals are used, it's how they are deployed. I have used tri-die. I guess it works. I personally don't care for the delivery system. I'd just rather use a bulb duster.
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BugBoy911
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Sat Mar 14 2009 14:51:31
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The one thing thats really good about Tri Die is that is sticks were applied unlike a bulb duster which is loose dust. Tri-Die delievery system IMO is genius and extremelly effective to apply dust with acurate precision. I've found it to be an invalueable tool in this war on bedbugs and very easy to use. Although right now their is a huge shortage of pyrethrin and effecting all of NY State right now. A bulb duster is also extremelly important to use during a bedbug application for certain situations. Tri die is wonderful for applying dust within the frame, or boxspring tufts and what not. Just my take on the product. Cooper is a good company yet IMO all this steaming and a bunch of guy's to complete a job that really shouldn't take as long as they draw it out to be is costing the client thousands of dollars which IMO is completely unneccessary. You can kill eggs without the extremelly legnthy process of steaming which cuts down the labor/time price almost in half. Yea yea, cooper is a top dog I know, but I guarentee you I've done more work than their top techs... I don't care if they have 10 years of experience doing bedbug work... I know my work and I know my results and I havn't or had the time to steam peoples apartments from head to toe for thousands of dollars and worked countless success stories using my strong pesticide background and hepa vacuums. You mean to tell me that Cyfluthrin aerosol/BedLam/D-Force/tri-die/steri-fab don't kill eggs!?!?!?! Of course they do and take only a fraction of the time to do soooo... Hey... if your just petrified of safe chemicals when used correctly cause you "think," that pesticides are dangerous and are set on that because of all the horror stories you've heard from Kindegarden PCO's then ok... I feel bad for you... or you childrens college fund for that matter... I'll challenge steam anyday... Although its a wonderful tool... IT COSTS THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS TO USE!!! Talkin hot water people... Steam... 1910 invention or mabye earlier... If they say steam is the only way to eliminate eggs then there full of crap.... PLEASE.. somebody correct me if I"m wrong cause I'm stating what I've been observing for over 2 years now... I see blackend eggs or darker color on returned visits... I"m not seeing any new activity... There defenatly not shiny and new lookin.. More like old and dried up after i'm finished treating them... I havn't had any complaints about people getting sick or any reaction of the pesticides I choose... Fancy shmancy steam... hey I could see steam being a great tool... but for the price these companies wana charge to use it.. well.... the scale just isn't balanced...
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Posted 8 months ago
Sat Mar 14 2009 19:31:38
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Those No Pest Strips sound really useful for certain possessions. Where can you get them? Are there other names?
I'm about to try Tri Die inside the electric boxes the DIY PCO I bought the products from said it was wasted in very tight spaces because it can't vaporize and spread.
I'm going to use another powder Drione with the bulb duster in cracks and crevices. -
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Posted 8 months ago
Sat Mar 14 2009 19:47:20
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Sorry I posted the above without noticing how much info is in here for the pest strips.
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BugBoy911 - 1 day ago » Cooper is a good company yet IMO all this steaming and a bunch of guy's to complete a job that really shouldn't take as long as they draw it out to be is costing the client thousands of dollars which IMO is completely unneccessary. You can kill eggs without the extremelly legnthy process of steaming which cuts down the labor/time price almost in half. Yea yea, cooper is a top dog I know, but I guarentee you I've done more work than their top techs...
Unlike BugBoy911, I am NOT in the pest control business.
With all respect to BugBoy911, I don't necessarily think you should be listening to one of Cooper's local competitors regarding whether to choose them or not. (BugBoy911 if I have you wrong, and you are not in the same area as Cooper, then forgive me.)
If I were in the market for a PCO, I would personally welcome a knowledgeable company that wanted to steam and then apply pesticides/dusts. Steaming takes a lot of time, but done right, it can speed up the process of treatment. It must be done carefully by someone with experience, and will probably need to be repeated (maybe several times).
Steam on its own probably is not a good competitor for pesticide, but steam PLUS pesticides is very promising, and this is what the option described above amounts to.
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Posted 8 months ago
Mon Mar 16 2009 8:32:14
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Begonebedbugs, not that it's any secret any more but Bed Bug Central is powered by Cooper Pest Solutions so I'm the research entomologist at Cooper and more or less oversee the bed bug program. Based on what you're saying I think some of our recommendations weren't explained very well or misunderstood. If you'd like to call and speak with me so I can clarify some of the information I'd be more than happy to talk for a few minutes.
To take all of your non-launderables and place them in a bag with No-pest strips is the information that I'm referring to. Although that is there intended use you want to make sure you're placing items that are labeled to be treated with No-pest strips, placing them in the bag for the right amount of time, etc... Maybe our representative explained the process in more detail and you summarized but either way I want to make sure everybody is on the same page here.
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Mon Mar 16 2009 8:54:35
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BugBoy911,
You're view on steam is fine, a view that many other people take and you're right that there are pesticides that can be effective on eggs. Everything you mentioned are aerosols and most professionals feel it's the propellent in the aerosols that are effective against the eggs.
Where you're missing the information is in our approach to our work. We position ourselves as a chemically conscious, green company that doesn't apply pesticides when they aren't necessary. That being said, if you have to "spray" the eggs to kill the eggs, why not use steam? If introduces less pesticide into apartments which when possible, is a goal for us. We're not going to risk not solving a problem by not applying pesticide but when we can, we'll try to apply less. Also, we don't steam entire apartments. We use evidence as an indicator and steam around areas where activity is present which in an average problem takes about 10-15 minutes. We don't charge thousands of dollars per job because of steam.
So if you want to provide your opinion on an approach that's fine and what this site is intended for but before you start to talk about another companies approach and reference that company get your facts straight first.
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BugBoy911
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Posted 8 months ago
Mon Mar 16 2009 15:28:00
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My facts are correct, its just the prices associated with the amount of time steam takes to be truelly effective. A buddy of mine was given a quote of $1600 for one bedroom by Arrow which a local company in my area. They wanted to steam the room, treat the area's neccessary and what not. But $1600!? One Bedroom!? I dunno, its just I"m trying to find a balance here to help people in need. Another Company wanted $875 for one bedroom! What if the client doesn't have all that money for a bedbug treatment!? Then what? They just live with them cause they can't pay the huge amount of money that these companies wanted!? I feel that is extremelly unfair and although sometimes very necessary these high prices are pushed on people cause this is a "new," pest.
As far as combo of steam and pesticide were neccessary I do agree as this being the "by the book," way of treating a room, yet its the time that these companies charge for. To steam a mattress correctly I was told that it takes 20min-40min being that the steam has to be applied to a sqare foot for a specific amount of time to achieve results. Why couldn't you just vacuum the area of concern then treat without the steam resulting in less time and less money. Even if you miss an egg and it hatch's, the nymph will still contact the residual and die within hours. Hey, if somebody is extremelly sensitive to relativelly safe pesticides that aren't a mix of rosemary oil and wintergreen, then I guess you'll have to use just steam and charge an hourly rate or above average price because of the time amounted during the job. My facts are correct as with bedbug treatments you don't have to use steam %100 of the time even in a serious infested apartment. Going threw with pyrethrum/contact insecticide, then using a residual followed by 4 hours to dry or more will result in top notch control without the steam. You can't steam a mattress and box spring in 20 mins, its impossible. For it to be %100 effective at least. It would take me 20 mins for one side of the mattress then when your steaming and you see bedbugs crawling out of the mattress or boxspring, then what? So you take the steam and press it against the bug to kill it, I would disagree for that is relativelly difficult being there in the seams yet sometimes walk across the flat part of the mattress, in the box spring its hard to apply steam in the back behind the black sheet that covers the springs and what not. Listen, I"m not saying that steam is bad, its wonderful, I"m just focused on how to make very effective bedbug treatments affordable to the public so we can beat this pest. The minimum that companies charge is $475 per room and usually way more. Is there a way to drop the price? Can a PCO bring about affordable BedBug treatments that are just as effective as the whole drawn out process of 3 guy's and a steam machiene? This is my question and point, not that steam doesn't work for I feel that it does, yet just takes a lot of time and what if people can't afford the time these companies charge per hour of man time? Also I just can't see using steam to kill active bedbugs that are crawling everywhere for they are pretty quick and what if there not on a flat surface but a raised surface or rigid surface, or a maze of fabrics and metal like the back of a box spring. I would think a good flush/contact kill insecticide would be a much better form of attack followed by a quick vacuum and residual c and c application. Cooper is a great company, yet I'm trying to find a way to make it more affordable and less of a "new," "expensive," form of pest control that takes 4, 5, 6, 10 treatments, by the time there finished the client is in the psych ward of the ER.
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bedbugdude
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Posted 8 months ago
Mon Mar 16 2009 17:25:29
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"Listen, I"m not saying that steam is bad, its wonderful, I"m just focused on how to make very effective bedbug treatments affordable to the public so we can beat this pest."
Bed bugs aren't going anywhere fast. So why not just make a living out of it and do what you love doing best? No need to bash any companies out there and no need to worry about what they charge and certainly no need to mention names. It's just not professional. Regaurdless if your "correct" or not. And it's not what these forums are for. The forums are to help answer questions from people suffering bed bugs. So let's do just that. Cool?
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BugBoy911
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Mon Mar 16 2009 19:07:03
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Ur right... Yet if i wasn't able to help a long time buddy of mine recently, he'd still be getting eat'n up alive. I think the $1600 was for 2 small bedrooms not one... my bad.
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Mon Mar 16 2009 19:15:03
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No, your facts aren't straight. Your assuming companies charge what they charge because they use steam. Unless you were involved in developing their business model I wouldn't worry about how they came to the 1600 dollars, just that they charge that.
Listen, I understand that you want to make it affordable for clients so we can tackle this problem as aggressively as possible but sometimes, from a business perspective, that's just not possible. There are certain prices per hour companies are looking for their technicians time and if a job is taking 8 hours (initials plus follow-ups) it's going to cost a significant amount of money. When you're one guy who's a business, you don't have an accounting department, managers, trainers, R&D, etc... and the time it takes to get a tech trained, money processed, are all at some percentage usually added into the time that a job takes. Even though a tech may complete a job in 2 hours on site, there may be 2 hours that go on behind the scenes that make up some of the price. That's all part of the business model that's designed to make a company profitable. Companies that can't do that right are currently going out of business.
Now I'm not saying all companies do this. There are companies that gouge and are unethical and shame on them. But I know the good, ethical companies aren't charging the money they are charging because it's a "new" pest. Many "good" companies just don't go out and spray pesticide. They develop their program based on R&D, trial and error, entomologists, etc... and that takes time and money.
Either way, bedbugdude has it right. This pest isn't going anywhere so making treatments 100$ so that everyone can afford it will help but it's not going to solve the problem.
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Posted 8 months ago
Mon Mar 16 2009 19:34:55
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bedbugdude - 2 hours ago »
Bed bugs aren't going anywhere fast. So why not just make a living out of it and do what you love doing best? No need to bash any companies out there and no need to worry about what they charge and certainly no need to mention names. It's just not professional. Regardless if your "correct" or not. And it's not what these forums are for.Well put.
It really is not what the forums are for.
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Posted 8 months ago
Mon Mar 16 2009 20:04:59
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After I posted the last post I realized you obviously don't get what the forums are about after you dropped another name of another company in your next post and your opinion of their charges.
Worry about what you're doing. Not what other companies are doing.
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BugBoy911
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Posted 8 months ago
Tue Mar 17 2009 22:38:40
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Gets me fustrated what I see out their on a regular basis, yet your right, although I don't agree, that was quite impulsive and unprofessional.
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