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Posted 6 months ago
Tue Apr 28 2009 11:22:46
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As I had mentioned, here's the new BBCTV episode for the CDC 3000 manufactured by Cimex Science. I cover the monitor itself and how it works, the concepts behind it and where I think it will fit into bed bug management plans/control efforts.
http://tv.bedbugcentral.com/index.php/2009/04/bbctv-24-cdc300-bed-bug-monitor/
As I mentioned in the video, we are just starting to play with the monitor and set it in a unit we know had bugs and within 30 minutes during the middle of the day caught 4 nymphs and over the course of the night caught many bugs (over 40 for sure, not sure exactly how many). We're now just starting to play with the sensitivity in lower level problems to try and determine presence/absence of bed bugs. The monitor is intended to detect bed bugs presence or absence.
Also, I added some comments in the video (you will see the pop-up bubbles) to try and encourage regular users to add some comments either in the video or below the text.
Hope this helps everyone. If anyone has any questions you know how to reach me.
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Posted 6 months ago
Thu Apr 30 2009 6:07:44
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I'm curious to find out what everyone's interest is in the CDC trap? I thought for sure that everyone would be jumping to get information about the unit and there hasn't been a whole lot of people viewing the video.
Is the price scaring everyone away? Where does the every day user stand?
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paulaw0919
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Posted 6 months ago
Thu Apr 30 2009 8:02:31
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I think everyone is "frozen" for more information on the unit performance on even low level infestations. It's soo new and there's little knowledge of how it performs in the field. I feel the price has definitely scared away many possible buyers as well, PCO companies included.
I have the CDC3000 and have tested many locations. I was on a waiting list for this and purchased it at a much lower cost at the time) I have tested our home, in three bedrooms for two nights each room. All clear. (but I pretty much knew we were clear anyway) I have tested my a relatives home in fear we may have infested her long ago. She too was all clear. Spouses office was inspected. Now I'm in the midst of testing the condo unit that originally infested our single family home. I was only able to test it for once so far due to needing more cartridges. Right now I feel pretty confident that the condo may in fact be clear as well. Since it's been a very long time since this unit was treated, I feel that if there's bugs there, the unit will catch a few. With in the week I will feel more confident for it was tested there only once, not in a prime location.
I'm very interested in how the unit shows to perform in low level infestations in a field environment. It would be comforting to know that it detects bed bugs at the very early stages. In my experience, I have had false positive alerts after a very long and expensive battle with bed bugs. It took a lot of needless $$ and much anxiety/trauma to realize that the bugs were in fact gone.
I would like for this monitor to replace the daunting job of vigilant monthly/bimonthly inspections of the mattress, box frame after an infestation. Many people, especially the elderly and single people just cannot physically do this task on their own and the monitor would be a great replacement to know if follow up treatment is needed or not.
Unfortunately there are very few PCO's that have the unit and post here on it's performance for people to have an opinion either. Sean has used this in the field where there was a low level infestation where it worked well. He also used a K9 to narrow in on where the bugs were located. (office environment) I think people need to see more of the unit in action in apartments and homes with low level infestations before there will be many comments made.
Not to change the subject to much, but I am amazed on how much more info,knowledge,technology, and options people have now than just two years ago. There was NOTHING back then which made it impossible for those with bedbugs. Now due to word getting out and more now the EPA....hopefully we can get a better hold of the spread. It's such a relief to see the advancement. I dream of having a cheap plug in flea trap type of monitor in every bedroom someday! ;)
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bedbugdude
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Posted 6 months ago
Fri May 1 2009 7:32:09
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Seems like a good product but yeah, the price is over the top. The price of the co2 cartridge is too high and they last only 10 hours? Cosidering most if not all of my companies bed bugs are in the low income housing and the infestations are over the top there is really no need for a monitor. BB's are out in the open in broad daylight :( I guess I could offer it as a service for high end residential clients that travle frequently but other then that I have no need for it. Least not in this economy.
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Thanks Paula, hope all is well.
You're right that how the monitor performs in low level infestations is the information that is needed right now. My gut based on experiences with other insects is that it's not going to be consistent. Sometimes you may go in where there's say 10 bugs and collect one with the monitor, other times you won't collect any. What I'm theorizing is that not only does the bug need to be host-seeking to be attracted to the monitor but it also has to have a "personal" attraction to the monitor. Not every bug is going to respond to the monitor. That's just insect monitors in general for all insects. They only attract a certain percentage of a population and if a small percentage is present, none may be attracted.
I'm trying to get some of the answers to these questions as we speak. Hopefully I'll know more soon.
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paulaw0919
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Posted 6 months ago
Fri May 1 2009 11:49:19
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Jeff, Glad to hear that you're looking into this and looking forward to what the findings are. If the stats seem to be good, between supply and demand, hopefully the prices will reflect that so it can be a good tool for many.
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MyWorstFear
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Posted 6 months ago
Sat May 2 2009 16:41:50
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I searched but couldn't find the current price for the CDC 3000 (LOL, CDC = Center for Disease Control?).
How much is this and how much do those cartridges cost? Thank you. -
If there is a low level infestation, it's even possible that no one bedbug is gonna search for a host the night you activate the trap. If a bedbug doesn't need to feed, it will stay in its harbourage, ignoring everything (heat, CO2, pheromones, attractants). If you monitor the "wrong" night, they will not move and the trap simply will not work.
That's just insect monitors in general for all insects. They only attract a certain percentage of a population and if a small percentage is present, none may be attracted.That's not true: it depends from the kind of the trap. Pheromone-based traps are full effective in very low infestations too.
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paulaw0919
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Posted 6 months ago
Sat May 2 2009 19:45:29
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MyWorstFear, Here's the link to the company. Click on the products page
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Posted 6 months ago
Sun May 3 2009 10:38:02
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Effeci, I have to professionally disagree with you. Even pheremone traps are attracting one sex of the target pest and therefore, won't attract all of the insects. Barring some sort of weird infestation where there's one bug and you put a trap in and it collects the one bug, you can't put a trap in and solve a problem. They are monitoring devices, not control devices.
Before bed bugs, I completed most of my entomological work in forest and agricultural entomology. I'm very familiar with pheremone traps and trapping techniques and concepts.
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pleasenotme
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Posted 6 months ago
Sun May 3 2009 14:11:45
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Doesn't it depend on what type of pheromone is used? Are they sex pheromones or human blood pheromones(if those even exist)?
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Sun May 3 2009 20:52:19
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Blood won't be used as an attractant because bed bugs are not attracted to blood. They are attracted to a combination of cues such as carbon dioxide, secretions of the skin, heat, etc...
Pheromones are sex attractants. What exactly human secretions are defined as in terms of allomones (i.e. pheremones, kairomones, etc...) I'm not completely sure as most of those definitions are designed from plant-insect interactions. If you ever want to take a completely fascinating course take insect ecology and better yet plant physiology. The chemical defenses plants and insects have developed through time are ridiculous.
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