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Hi Warriors,

I wish to pass this info to you.
I just spoke to the Chemist and Entomologist at the company that makes the BEDLAM pesticide. They confirmed that in recent testing BEDLAM killed approx 87% of bed bugs eggs if the eggs are sprayed directly with BEDLAM. BEDLAM also has a residual of three to six weeks depending on the type of surface treated to kill hatched bugs. BEDLAM will not stain most furniture but you should test it first. After BEDLAM dries it is safe for people and pets but I did not ask about fish safety.
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Tue May 29 2007 15:30:43
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This is a link to bedlam information:
http://www.mgkpro.com/bedlam/bedlam.html

The product brochure shows where it can be applied.

The MSDS warns you not to let it make contact with your skin and to use in ventilated areas.

(Yes, Admin can violate the "don't link to products" rules!)

Please use extreme caution and follow all directions with all products you use to fight bed bugs.
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Lt Dan, I should have added this above: I do think that this can be a useful product if used in concert with others. It is a pyrethroid insecticide. But the effect on eggs as you say is "if sprayed directly" only. Many of us can't find the eggs, alas.

As always, talk to your PCO about what you're using to self treat BEFORE, DURING, AND AFTER PCO treatments. There may be good reasons you should not use any number of products as they can counteract what the PCO is doing.
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remember the bedbug that "gave me the finger" after I sprayed it...bedlam was used.
sadly, my personal use on at least 2 live bugs was that it didn't kill them.

after spraying the bugs down heavy, and they both "fliped me the finger", I had to spray them with Kleen Free...that killed them both dead in under 1 sec.

so bedlam kills eggs? ok, what ever.
I don't recamend this product, even with a PCO's aproval.

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Wed May 30 2007 10:21:44
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That's really interesting, bugged. I haven't used it. May be something due to the knockdown times (shown in the links above)?
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Hi buggedinbrooklyn,

Thanks for the info. I am going to call the Entomologist from BEDLAM about your findings and I will report back. If I recall correctly he did tell me it can take up to 7 days to kill a bug, it is not considered an instant kill. How long did you monitor the bugs after spraying them with BEDLAM? Did they eventually die and how long did it take?

Hi nobugsonme,

Yes your right. How often do we find eggs anyways? Because I have not seen a live bug or live eggs since December 2006 my PCO will not spray. The last time he sprayed was in December and he will not spray again unless I capture a live prisoner. Because of that fact I have started to spray BEDLAM once a month, I have sprayed once the entire house focusing on crown mouldings and baseboards and strategic areas. I will spray a barrier around my bed and in time bugs will come for me and walk through the chemicals. Simple. When the traps are available I will try that technique also.

Because BEDLAM is easy availability for me I bought some and tried my best to research it. That research directed me to the companies Entomologist who has great knowledge on bbs, we spoke for over an hour. He knows that a silver bullet does not exist. I spray in areas that I feel may have eggs my decisions are based on past discoveries of eggs and bugs. I spray under the furniture and inside my couch, behind and in front of my picture frames and into the crevice of my wood floors and furniture etc...

I as well as all Warriors and professionals are learning as we go.
When I post info I do it with the intention to help and I welcome all to do research and report to back to us. That would be GREAT! BEDLAM is a perfect example. Anyone can Google and get phone numbers of professionals and call. I wish I could see more of that. If BEDLAM does what it is claiming to do I find this a great achievement. Since September 2006 all I have heard is how protected eggs are and nothing can kill the eggs. Then came the possibilities of steam if hit directly may kill eggs. Now BEDLAM claims that it can kill a large percentage of eggs if hit directly.

WOW! I am alone here in feeling this is a major plus?

Maybe some Warriors have heard of a product claiming this in the distant pass but I have not. If this product can do that I consider it an extremely valuable tool.
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Wed May 30 2007 11:04:48
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How can you tell if it kills eggs? Get a few eggs and spray them and see if they hatch? The reason I'm asking is because I know Willow has an egg. I don't know if he could get bedlam though.
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Wed May 30 2007 11:18:24
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jammin,
he doesn't need to test it. they did a research study.
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Wed May 30 2007 11:45:19
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Hi nyjammin,

Your guess is as good as mine but that sounds like a good test possibility. I have come to realize that I have to put some trust in the chemical companies. The professionals that I have spoken with are sensitive to our situation and I feel that they are trying their best to help. I know that some of the Entomologists are very concerned about bringing bed bugs home and do take precautions.
No one wants an infestation.
You can order BEDLAM through the web, just do a search. Also I think the company can help you with finding a store, check the BEDLAM site. The link that nobugsonme provided yesterday may help.

I think that BEDLAM's site is http://www.mgk.com
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Wed May 30 2007 11:47:32
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Woops! Sorry nobusonme for posting the link that was an accident. You may delete it if need be.
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Wed May 30 2007 12:51:51
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for what it's worth, for my pco's first visit to my apartment, he used bedlam on all cracks and crevices and SWEARS by it. i went so far as to call the company that makes bedlam directly and ask about it's residual effects, which i was assured are usually 5 weeks on most surfaces. they didn't at the time, mention eggs and absolutely NO eggs were found in my house. in fact absolutely NO live bugs at all were found in my house, but my pco thinks bedlam is by far the greatest tool he uses and he says he's killed many infestations (and he was talking about serious infestations) with it. his second round on treatment 10 days later consists of spraying suspend on all the surfaces originally treated with bedlam.
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Dawn, Hi. It is good to see you participating now, almost like (or really actually like) a previous but not current bed bug sufferer. This is good news! Healthy! It brings hope to all! Those buggers won't be back so long as you keep your eyes peeled for a while, You said you would I believe you!
Thanks for the info here. Whenever chemicals are mentioned, as in specificâ€™s as to what the PCO used, or what the company said--I think, it is helpful, for our general overall knowledge. I'm not saying I'd run out and get some of this or that, but this was helpful thanks!
On a wider non-personal note I feel that thinking a person has 10 bugs or 100--I feel the first month to six weeks needs the same diligent treatments.
That's what you did (dawn) and that's what I did (as best as I could) and it seems to work!
The way I had to almost force myself to look at bed bugs was more on a time-line mode of thinking rather than on # of bugs seen or perceived.
WHY?
It takes practically almost the same amount of time and technique to kill them and the eggs whether it's 10 or 1000. OK 1000--probably takes more time and more treatments ... but I prefer this time line thinking over # of bugs to a large degree. I think it is an important concept, over-all, and I wish (hope) more people would start seeing it more in that light, generally speaking, to the world at large here.
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from what i understand, after the first treatment, there should be significantly less bugs, so maybe if you start off with 1,000 you can get down to half of that by the first treatment, then half more by the second, half more by the third, etc. but i do think when you start off with less (and i definitely started off with a lot less) i think you can get rid of them with less number of treatments. i think it really depends on how many but you are right in that it takes the same amount of time and chemical regardless of the number but this news about bedlam is certainly encouraging.
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Hi dawnsimonds2,

Thanks for you input. Are you in a big city? Just my curiousity, I am in New York City.

The egg killing discovery is due to more research that the company decided to do recently.
I too believe the news is encouraging. Let us all keep on top of this.
The Director of Sales told me that BEDLAM does not repell the bugs much and suggest using a
flushing agent to get the bugs moving.

May I add that if you did have bbs I would guess that chances are that you would
have had eggs somewhere.
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Hi Dawn, true. Encouraging and even promising.
A few weeks ago a few people were hinting that this same product might cause more breeding or eggs being laid in secretive corners. I believe it was this product I may be wrong, if so someone let me know? But if it was this product ... it just goes to show how quickly info can change and I'd hate to see a bunch of people jumping on the "B" band wagon, just because of a few links--and the opposite it true too: a few weeks ago the opposite effect might have occurred because of one study mentioned suggesting negative effects from this product.

Neither is good--as both are REACTIVE.

FYI Dawn, I met an elderly guy in the Laundromat (it was very obvious he had bed bugs by the way, and what he was washing. i felt sorry for him ... Could best guess tell he had "no clue." so I started to talk to him. i was right here.

Dawn:--he latched onto one suggestion and kept repeating it--totally tuning out all other measures I was suggesting. Best I could do for him was suggested he go to the public library and read up on bed bugs--he had no computer.
I doubt he heard me.
Thatâ€™s sad.
I've seen a lot of people in SF do a ton of laundry 6 and 8 weeks ago, mostly in a haphazard manner.
I'm hoping this is not true ... but I suspect most of them will be back, a few weeks from now ... doing all that laundry again but in the same, haphazard way.
Bed bugs freak us out!
They freaked me out!

Why am I saying all this? Because I've seen this type of behavior over and over again (once I got off the "panic-train" I saw it.)

Panic is one of the bed bugâ€™s best friends. Denial is the other best friend.
it will scatter our brains so much, that we may really cause serious jeopardy and or injury--mostly out of panic. We live in a pop a pill instant cure world. There is no instant success (not yet) with bed bugs.
This is the main reason I recommend the time line idea. it is to help reduce the reactive panic, and help people eventually settle down to a "we may have to live with this for a while idea." If everybody moved immediately and did not treat--we'd have, I'd say more tha n2x the # of bed bugs we have in the world currently.
So it is not semantics I'm getting at here ... it is more a state of mind.

Even if you had 2000 bed bugs they will not be biting people indiscriminately all the time 24 7. And with 2000 in a roomâ€”youâ€™d most defiantly know they were there!

It is what most of us tend to think towards FIRST. It is natural--and we sort of have to train ourselves to think differently.
For you it was getting all the treatments you could. Today I note very little panic in your posts, so it took whatever it took for you to get to this other, less reactive side of "the bed bug state of mind."
To sum upâ€”all it takes is one or two bugs to create an infestation and or a panicâ€”or both. Iâ€™ve had my say for the dayâ€”Iâ€™ve got laundry to do and floors to wash and government people to see.
It sounds off topic--but it's not. We want to kill the bugs and the eggs and we want to figure out where they came from or are still coming from and stop that too--mostly in that order but usually all at once. So it is taxing on the brain.

Thanks for letting me rant in this thread a "bit"
Willow
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Hi Willow,
I think the talk was about Gentrol but I could be wrong. Where did you see the info?
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oh see your right. I just sent you a pm asking you to clarify for me-us. thanks! your more on top of it chemical wise than I--I know ...
Best to not mis-inform, so my post on that was tentative and wrong.
I'm kool with that, so long as it was straightened out. In a way it only goes to show how misinformation can get spread--along with the bugs--which, is ... what my rant was sort of about.
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dan,
i am in nj but i got bbs originally in queens nearly three years ago. i moved from that apartment and here's the weird part, didn't bring any with me but got them AGAIN at my second apartment in queens. that time, the pco came to treat and found NOTHING. so we moved AGAIN and threw out all our furniture, cleaned our clothes, went through every scrap of paper we brought with us and threw out a ton of stuff. then we moved and even had the 'bed bug sniffing dog' sniff all our stuff before we brought it in to make sure it was safe. lo and behold, we get them for the THIRD time in the new apartment. now maybe we did bring them with us although my belief if that we did not because we've been living in this place since february and found NO LIVE BUG, NO FECES, only blood spotting on the sheets. and the exterminator found NO LIVE BUGS, NO FECES, ETC. all we had was that one cast skin that i think i found on the bed. so, our infestation was in the very EARLY stages. i brought the dog in again and he detected bugs in the the mattress and in my dresser. so, when the pco came and told me to discard the mattress i complied because i already knew they were in there so you are probably right. i probably did have eggs but they were probably deep inside my mattress, which luckily, is history now. the pco treated my dresser but just to make myself feel better, i tossed it out anyway. so i got rid of both offending items and had the pco treat my place twice. once with the bedlam, suspend and delta dust and the second time with d-force, suspend and delta dust. however, the pco firmly believes all the bugs were living inside that mattress since it was such an early infestation. he doesn't even think they were inside the dresser and he found no eggs at all. sorry to rant, but i should finally mention that my soon-to-be-ex husband is a flight attendant and we are both in agreement that both the second and third times, he probably brought them in on his clothes, or in his luggage, etc. the first time, we know we got them from a neighbor. and now, he's actually walked out on me and left me to handle it alone. so how's that for a story?
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I wished you had told us all of that more at the beginning,Dawn, you may have done so here and there. I hope everybody reads this thread--it speaks volumes on how the bugs spread and how mis-info spreads and how a good intro when posting will get people the best results in terms of answers.
Best to all!
Willow
(stet) everything I've said today--even the errors re gentrol/bedlam.
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again, i can't be sure we didn't bring them with us of course. but the bed bug sniffing dog confirmed we were clean when we got to this apartment. as far as the second time, i know we didn't bring them with us because we didn't get bed bugs there until TWO YEARS after we moved in. surely, if we'd brought them with us it would have happened a lot sooner. so, chances are, my friends, that my husband's flight attendant gig is what brought them in for the third time. with all the work my pco did (even though he didn't actually find anything) i pray they are now gone for good.
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Hi dawnsimonds2,

Sorry it has been such a problem but you did all that you could. I am in Queens born and raised and the lack of public awarness is terrible. I know of a whole block of about ten apartment buildings which are connected with about 20 to 30 apartments in each building all infested. My wife thinks we could have had them much longer that I speculate. They may have been dormant.
I spoke to an Entomologist and this person told me that airline pilots are having a big problem. Some planes and trains have been treated for bbs, hospitals, movie theatres and taxis cabs also. This is an epidemic. As we all know this is going to become worse. I quote another Entomologist that if something cannot be done soon it will be likely that most of the population in the U.S. will have experienced some sort of infestation in the next three to five years.

Sorry about your marriage, this bb stuff is very stressful it has not been easy for us either.
As I see it you are a Bed Bug Warrior and you have the stuff that heroes are made of.
Battle on! There is no other option.
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to be honest, i don't think they'd be dormant. from what i've read and from what the entomologists and pco's say, if there is food around, they are going to eat and reproduce. they'll only go dormant and live for up to 18 months if there is no food around for them to eat. but if you guys have always been around, they have always had food so they have been there all along. i'm not sure how big your problem is (i.e. how many bugs you have seen). i'm lucky in that it appears mine was very small (according to the pco) and hopefully now completely gone. i'm thinking with my having thrown out the mattress and dresser (at which the dog barked) i eliminated the problem anyway but the added knowledge that pesticides have been placed where they need to be makes me feel even better.
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lieutenantdan,

quote "Hi buggedinbrooklyn,

Thanks for the info. I am going to call the Entomologist from BEDLAM about your findings and I will report back. If I recall correctly he did tell me it can take up to 7 days to kill a bug, it is not considered an instant kill. How long did you monitor the bugs after spraying them with BEDLAM? Did they eventually die and how long did it take?"

I sprayed to the point that the bugs were swiming in spray...that's how wet I sprayed them.
now, after that...SHOULD IT TAKE LONGER THEN A MOMENT TO DIE?????
I would say that it took at least 30 sec to go get my bottle of Kleen Free and return to then spray the bug to it's final death.
the bug was clearly alive, regardless that it was wetter then the walnuts I put on my icecream sundays.

look, are you realy saying that it will take 7 days for a bedbug to die using bedlam??? lol
LT, with all due respect, if it takes that long to kill a bug, then that bug will probably go ahead a rebite me in 5 days or so,and have sex before dieing...to me, if that is true, then the product is not doing it's job.
a reliable product should kill a bedbug in a day or so after crossing the sprayed surface...or dusted surface, if using DE or Drion dust.

I can't even see the product lasting more then a week on some rare surfaces, and some surfaces it might last no longer then a day or two.
again, I tested this product alot...it fails bigtime.
am I saying bedbugs don't die from it? YES, a big YES

show me, show me dead bedbugs that died solely from bedlam alone, and not from a combo of chemicals...please, with sugar on top.
at least deaths in under a week...even if it's a death in 4 or 5 days.

next question that realy needs to be ansered....
if it taks around 7 days to kill a live bug, how long does it take to kill an egg?
a day? 2, 3? a week?
it take 7 to 10 days for an egg to hatch.
if it takes around 7 days for a bedbug to die, will it kill an egg fast enough before it hatches???

also, if it does kill eggs, they realy need to release the data and videos to prove so to the public for independant research and verification.

sorry if I come off strong about this product, I have nothing against you LT or anyone else here.
I just don't trust this product at all.

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Hi Dawn,

I remember you telling us about your now soon-to-be-ex husband originally. I am sorry about your break-up. I do think that if you got them three times and there are no other obvious sources (someone you visit who has them, you work as a social worker, etc.) then it's probably the flight attendant thing. They just stay in so many hotels--and it could even be the same hotel again and again.

Anyway, I am glad you had great success with your treatment, and I hope you're here as an experienced but bug-free Bedbugger from now on.
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quote "I quote another Entomologist that if something cannot be done soon it will be likely that most of the population in the U.S. will have experienced some sort of infestation in the next three to five years."

hmmm, seems I've been saying the same thing for months.

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Good morning buggedinbrooklyn,

My posts are meant to inform on my findings, just get the word out. I expect everyone would then research the news and post their findings. This is exactly what you did and I encourage it. I know very little about products, if I had an education in chemestry and entomology and had a testing facility then I could perform my own tests, I do not. So like all of us we post info that we find either through our own expriments or what we read. I do not wish to hold back info then I would be editing it and I may edited incorrectly. I would rather post freely enabling all to make educated decisions.
In this bb thing it is best to keep info flowing and open for discussions and not hold back any details. Information is a poweful tool and yes some info may be correct and some may not, it is just the way things work. That is why I appreciate this site, for it's dedication, sensitivity to people and the fact that we can speak freely.

You can bet that sometime today I will call Bedlam's Entomologist and inform him of your test. I encourage all to call professionals and ask questions. I would love to see that people are doing that. I always thank the professionals for their hard work at the end of my conversations with them and they always appreciate that. I believe that speaking with the professionals adds the human element.
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hi buggedinbrooklyn,

i mean no disrespect at all but where did you get the bedlam you used? was it direct from the manufacturer. perhaps they have changed the formula of the product since then and improved it or perhaps the strength of the one used by the pco's is different than the one you can just buy over the internet. this happens with products all the time. consumers sometimes don't have access to the same formulas as the professionals.
just a thought.
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dawnsimonds2,

the product is easy to find and buy online, and no, the product has not changed in any way since it was sold originaly to me....that I know of, and yes, I checked.
this is not a product packaged or designed for professionals, but marketed and packaged for consumers in a spray can.

it is one of the few products that can be sent/mailed to the NYC area...and is promoted as such in some "bedbug kits".
(I will not post links to resellers, but do a google and you'll see.)

I can't see how a spray can can be financialy resposable for a PCO to use in any way, shape, or form.
besides, if a PCO came into your house and started to spray cans of "RAID" to help kill of your roach problem, would you let them into your house? not me.

no, the product is aimed for the consumer to use in the help of eradication of many bugs...bedbugs is just one of the bugs they have added to thier list.

LT, hey, I have no problem with you telling the world that an employee at a company has claimed (without any public proof), that this product kills bedbug eggs, or makes people loose waight, clears up acne, or helps kills foot fungus...
yet I'll also claim that it don't work well to kill live bugs.
maybe the bug will die in 75 days, but I just don't have that kind of time to kill such a creature.

just my 2 cents
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Hi all ... I know this is about Bedlam ... (this whole site is sort of dedicated to "bedlam" sometimes.) I figure since IPM is here to stay--we as sufferers and as consumers might do best to go along with that whole trend too as much as possible. (and I'm not saying anyone here isn't or doesn't.) I'll pose a broad question with the hope any replies are based more on factual info and experience and a tad less about the â€œnitty and gritty exactitudes They have their place and so does the following; all of which I feel can and should fit into this same thread:
(imho)
we are lay people, mostly ...
we have bed bugs ..
we need potential IPM ideas here:

OK the question:

Are there any other chemicals and non chemical measures people can recommend with a good deal of confidence to use, specifically with Bedlam, concurrently and if so why?
Also ...
We say here so often that eggs hatch in 10 to 14 days â€¦. They can hatch in 8 days or in 25 days tooâ€”depending upon Weather and humidity.
I just wanted to pop that in--please don't ask me to site my source,
I can't, unless totally pressed by you guys in here, but I've read it a few times in scientific journals. Basically eggs hatch more rapidly in warmer weather. They mate more and they lay more eggs in warmer weather too.

Summer is upon us! So this general knowledge can also figure into the equation(s) to some degree on the effectiveness of Bedlam. Iâ€™m just saying that it could be even more imperative that Bedlam kill eggs more rapidly, now that hot weather hangs and lurks.
Of course â€¦ if an egg is deep in a crack or a wall â€¦ it will not likely be touched or barely be touched by the product. That should (I think) be a given.
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buggedinbrooklyn,

with all due respect again, i called the manufacturer of bedlam and it was specfically CREATED to find bed bugs and no other bugs. it is designed for professionals though it is in a spray can and can be purchased from residex, which supplies chemicals to all pest control companies in the areas. in addition, you can also buy many other pest control products online including suspend sc, demand, delta dust which we all know are professional products used by pco's to control the insects
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Where do we get our info from on products of any kind? I would say mostly through corporate advertising.
Word of mouth? Of course, but is that any better? Maybe? In some cases yes and some cases no.
When you see a Doctor and the Doctor gives you a prescription but you realize that a similiar
medicine is manufactured by a different company. Is the Doctor receiving incentives from that company?
I do not see why I should dismiss a professionals opinion because that person works for the company.
When I spoke to Rich Cooper he seemed very excited about the recent findings on Bedlam.
I do think that Rich Cooper is a very dedicated Pest Control Operator and although he may be doing well
financially or not he is helping people and I believe Rich would be happy if bed bugs were to go away forever.

Let me ask this. Why not be skeptical of all of the chemicals. Statements have been made about
Suspend SC and Gentrol's effectiveness on bed bugs.

I speculate that Bedlam is able to be sold in NYC due to the fact that it is pre-mixed. You are not able to add or subtract chemicals to the package.

Hey buggedinbrooklyn I have no problem with you telling the world your opinions about Bedlam.
Just wondering though are you schooled in chemistry and or entomology and what products do you recommend?
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Fri Jun 1 2007 17:51:04
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so how about steaming cracks first .. letting it dry then spraying cracks with Bedlam. Do people think this might help kill eggs sooner or more efficiently? Especially with summer on the way?
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Fri Jun 1 2007 19:53:21
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dawnsimonds2,

quote "with all due respect again, i called the manufacturer of bedlam and it was specfically CREATED to find bed bugs and no other bugs. it is designed for professionals though it is in a spray can and can be purchased from residex, which supplies chemicals to all pest control companies in the areas. in addition, you can also buy many other pest control products online including suspend sc, demand, delta dust which we all know are professional products used by pco's to control the insects "

hi,
the product Bedlam is labled to help kill LICE, DUST MITES, TICKS, FLEAS, and BEDBUGS.
I'm quite sure it does a great job of killing other bugs, just not too sure how good it kills bedbugs...or it's eggs.
not sure why they are marketing it to kill other bugs if thier sole aim is to use this product for only bedbugs.

as for PCOs using this can to help kill bedbugs...please show me one PCO company that only uses this can to eradicate bedbugs.
again, it would not be financialy responsable or practical to do so at this time.
it is clearly being marketed for home use IMHO, for many types of bugs.

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(my reply to LT Dan is on the way after my nightly gaming...be back later)
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Posted 6 years ago
Sat Jun 2 2007 2:43:14
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LTDan,

quote "When you see a Doctor and the Doctor gives you a prescription but you realize that a similiar
medicine is manufactured by a different company. Is the Doctor receiving incentives from that company?..."

it's not just the finacial incentives that I'm worried about, but the Doctor is not sitting here saying that AZT can cure AIDS if taken with an unshaken can of yoohoo.

lets remember that while you might respect Rich Cooper alot, he did just say to you that his company just found the magic bullet to kill bedbug eggs.
pardon me if I want to see some data, pictures, and video that prove that.

you would think that if it were true, the word would get out with proof to back it up, so that it can be verifide by an outside testing lab.

wait, you said ..."I just spoke to the Chemist and Entomologist at the company that makes the BEDLAM pesticide. They confirmed that in recent testing BEDLAM killed approx 87% of bed bugs eggs if the eggs are sprayed directly with BEDLAM. "

is that the same person as Rich Cooper? whom you just said is a PCO?
maybe I'm not following closely enough...what? who are you talking to? who do they work for? could there be a conflict of intrest?

quote "Let me ask this. Why not be skeptical of all of the chemicals. Statements have been made about
Suspend SC and Gentrol's effectiveness on bed bugs."

I have always said that Suspend like products are not the greatest killers of bedbugs for manty reasons, but it is one of the best things we have today that works.
would I like something better? sure. is there anything else better? hmmmm

now that you bring up Gentrol...I have repeatedly wondered in this forum why you would want to provide birth controle to bedbugs when it is just plan better to kill them???

you never brought up DE or Drion dust, but I'll say that they are great products that kills bedbugs fast if they can be used in areas that bugs will cross.

quote "I speculate that Bedlam is able to be sold in NYC due to the fact that it is pre-mixed. You are not able to add or subtract chemicals to the package."

I agree. it's why you can also buy D-Force...a can that contains premixed suspend.

quote "Hey buggedinbrooklyn I have no problem with you telling the world your opinions about Bedlam.
Just wondering though are you schooled in chemistry and or entomology and what products do you recommend? "

I'm an artest...in both food and photography.
as for what I would recammend...suspend like products, Drion dust, and Kleen Free, are all products that help kill bedbugs.
in the end though, no matter what you use, TIME is the only factor that we all need to kill bedbugs.
they just dont go away overnight...you need time, like in months.
it just takes time.

with all that said, lets remember that we are not talking about something that claims to kill bedbugs, but kills bedbug eggs.
the magic pill.
the golden chemical that we have been waiting for.
if it works, I'll be the first to recammend it to others...but I need to see some proof first.
after all, I'm not going to tell others that it can kill bedbug eggs without that data.

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Sat Jun 2 2007 9:03:44
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a bump to see if the filter wil bring it to the top...it didn't last night.

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bugged, you were in the spam filter. once you're in, it will keep putting you in.
sorry, you're free now. i am trying to figure out why it happens so i can stop it.
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I've had reason to study the spam filter and I think a very long post and a post with more than two links are good ways to get its attention.
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Rich Cooper is not the Bedlam company. He is a PCO in New Jersey and in my opinion a top bed bug warrior. A General.
He was excited by the Bedlam news but did state the egg kill info was from the Bedlam company research. Bedbugger has a link to the NPR/Cooper interview which is worth listening to. Cooper has developed with the Residex company a bed bug proof bedding encasement which you can read about on the Cooper Pest website.
With all do respect buggedinbrooklyn it seems that your taking the Bedlam news personally. I guess it is because of your test with this product. I think Bedlam can be part of a personal monthly DYI pest management program along with other pesticides of someones choice including FreshWater Food Grade DE.
We now know that a chemical resistant bug exists to the chemicals in Suspend SC. I have used Suspend along with Gentrol.
The product that I think worked greatly for me was Whitemire BP 300 which was used at the final spray which I never hear any news about. Has anyone else used Whitmire BP300? The DE works also.
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Mon Jun 4 2007 22:08:29
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nomo, I have the spam filter trained now, to only "spam me" when I leave short notes (lol)
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hi again LTDan.

I want to thank you for comming here time and again to hand us information that helps us fight the deaded bedbug.
you truly are a warrior, if only for the fact that you are one of the few PCOs who stop by here to help.

please bare with me now as I'd like to post a 3 part tread on this subject matter of what we have been talking about. yes it will be long. sorry in advance.

the first part will be about the things or points that you repeatedly overlook.
the second part will be about just who is clearly a warrior, and who is not.
finaly, the third part will be a sumery of what was said, as I can at times get long winded, and my points might be missed.

I'm doing things this way because of any posable filter problems.

again, thanks in advance

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Wed Jun 6 2007 5:54:55
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to all,

first of all, we are talking about if Bedlam even kills bedbug eggs.
let's not forget that fact.

while I can't say with your repeaded posts if Rich Cooper or someone from the company who makes Bedlam originaly told you about the posability of the product to kill eggs, but it realy doesn't matter.
the company that makes Bedlam, would have publicly reported that they can kill bedbug eggs if they have such data to prove such.
but you or Rich Cooper have "no true factual data, pictures, or video" to prove that Bedlam does anything more then kill live bugs, right?
so why state that the product could kill them?
this is one of the lagest facts that you like to overlook and not touch on.
it's as if you don't care to back up your statements with anything that we could use.
companys lie to us all the time to help sales of thier products, it's called advetising.
sadly you fell for a gag, a lie, in hopes that it could be true.

but let us remember, we are talking about killing bedbug eggs, not the bugs.
if they could kill the eggs, they would be letting the public know about it.
they would be repackaging thier lable on thier cans.
they would be repackageing thier product for comercial use.
finaly they would be doing one of the largest marketing ad campains to help promote the public use of the ONLY PRODUCT THAT KILLS BEDBUGS AND THIER EGGS.
is any of this happening? lol, no.

does this mean that Bedlam does or doesn't kill eggs? even you LTDan can't say for sure.
that is a fact that we need to keep repeating here...even you can't say for sure if it kills eggs.

next, you advicate the use of Bedlam as part of a monthly pest management program.
yet you also say it can take around 7 days to kill live bedbugs with Bedlam.
no ofence LTDan, but why would you say that when there are far better products that kill bedbugs faster?
withing 7 days a bedbug can rebite you, and re-mate with an other bedbug in this time.
if this product is so good at killing bedbugs, why is it not marketed and packaged for comercial use?
maybe LTDan, you need to relook at Bedlam and how good it realy is, and is not.

now I remember who Rich Cooper is.
is he a great PCO with a well informed website on many bugs? yes.
but is he a warrior in the sence that people like Nobugsonme is? no.
Rich Cooper is an opportunist and capitalist, not a warrior.
I understand, that as a fellow PCO, you might see him as a warrior, a general as you put it...but he is not.
I'll show you who is a warrior in this fight on bedbugs, and why they are a warrior.

we need PCOs like Rich Cooper, but lets not glorify him because he is making a profit from the victims of bedbugs.
he has never gone out of his way to help, or put his livlyhood at sake in this fight.
I've never seen him condone the actions of public officials, nor has he marched to city hall to help us.
he doesn't come here like you to give out advice, and in that interview, he was more conserned about selling mattress covers that make him a profit, then helping to give more information out to people that they could use to kill bedbugs.
THAT WAS A DISSERVICE TO US VICTIMS, and he should be ashamed of himself for that.

in part two, I'll tell my story, and show that I'M a WARRIOR, not Rich Cooper.
(sadly that will have to wait till tomorrow night as I got work to do.)

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Greetings buggedinbrooklyn,
If I read you correctly you said

"hi again LTDan.
I want to thank you for comming here time and again to hand us information that helps us fight the deaded bedbug.
you truly are a warrior, if only for the fact that you are one of the few PCOs who stop by here to help.

I am not a PCO or an Entomologist or a Chemist, far from.
I have never claimed that BEDLAM kills the eggs. I just passed along the information of my research which consists of reading on the web and speaking directly with bed bug professionals. My interpretation of my conversation with he Bedlam people
is that they have many products for many different purposes that the bed bug thing for now is not a hot issue or a big money maker, they actually appear not to be too excited about it. As far as professionals making a profit. That is to be expected. They could not support business and their families if they were to go around spraying everyone for free. Could they? How do you know that Cooper "has not gone out of his way" for people? He went out of his way for me. With all do respect you make it sound like that growing cliche - I am a victim of the system thing. You can't expect people to march on city hall as you state. c'mon get real. I understand how terrible this bed bug thing is for you because it was and is for me also, I am with you on that.
But until this epidemic gets to that point that the government has to step in we need the professionals to continue doing as they are doing. They are all contributing. And my hats off to someone taking the incentive to develop the bed bug proof encasements, yes of course they cost money, I charged mine to my card. It would be nice but I can't expect to get them for free.

I wish to state again that I am not a PCO. I am interested on how you have come to that conclusion.
It is actually a nice compliment, I am I glad that I could be of some support.

Hang in there my friend.

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