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soscared
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Posted 3 years ago
Sat Oct 10 2009 9:35:41
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Hi David,
I know you are in the UK and the chemicals there are different. But do you know anything about "Vampyre" Misting concentrate? If a PCO wants to use this, and says they will steam, spray, and "fog" - is that bad? Is this the kind of fogging that makes the problem worse, or are they using simple words so that I will rouoghly know what they are doing? I haven't hired them yet, but that's their method. They use:
CB-80
Gentrol
Demand CS
Onslaight Miscroencapsulated
Vampyre
Suspend SC
Alpine Dust
EcoexemptAlso, should I throw out an infested vaccuum (alerted by dog) and buy a new one for vaccuuming during infestation? Or use the old one?
Thank you so much!
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soscared
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Posted 3 years ago
Sat Oct 10 2009 12:14:07
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I am sorry. this was meant to be a PM.
But could someone PLEASE help with the vaccuum cleaner question? Can i use one that a dog alerted to as having BBs? And how do i do this nylon stocking thing? do i switc hthe stocking after each use? Sorry if i missed this in the FAQs somewhere! -
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Posted 3 years ago
Mon Oct 12 2009 14:42:10
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Hi,
Sorry I have had a rare weekend off so only just saw this.
Unfortunately as the list of approved products in the UK differs from the US I cant comment on what would be effective locally. I am also not the biggest of fans of chemical control as a first line of defence and often tell my clients chemical control is just 10% of the process.
I am however not a fan of aerosol or fogger based products as a treatment method as they do not penetrate to the refugia at a level needed to assure bed bug control.
Good luck though.
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Posted 3 years ago
Wed Oct 14 2009 10:27:53
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Hi David,
Thank you so much for replying. What about aerosol/fogger as a third step after steaming and pesticides? What is the other 90%, other than chemical?
Wouldn't the fogger work bc it leaves a residual so that when the bugs come out of their refugia they will die? That is what I was told by my expensive PCO.
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Posted 3 years ago
Wed Oct 14 2009 11:29:24
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Here is a link for the full label
http://www.bugsource.com/pdf/vamplabel.pdfACTIVE INGREDIENT:
Pyrethrins ..............................................................................................................3.00%*
Piperonyl butoxide, Technical ................................................................................30.00%
OTHER INGREDIENTS ................................................................................................ 67.00%
........................................................................................................................100.00%
*Equivalent to min. 24% (butylcarbityl) (6-propylpiperonyl) either and 6% related compoundsA micro-emulsion, water-based spray
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Posted 3 years ago
Wed Oct 14 2009 11:41:42
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SoScared
Keep your vacuum cleaner isolated in a large heavy gauge contractors bag for now. A new vacuum unit will potentially become contaminated, if used during an active infestation.
The nylon stocking collection method utilizes a nylon stocking stuffed into a vacuum hose... the end of the stocking is rolled over the end of the hose which is then secured with the nozzle attachment to the end of the hose. The stocking serves as a pre-filter to collect specimens.
The stocking will capture insects & debris... It can be emptied out and reused as long as it remains intact or it can be sealed & discarded...just keep in mind that bugs will usually survive the vacuum collection process.
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Posted 3 years ago
Wed Oct 14 2009 14:07:41
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Hi soscared,
The other 90% is what we do based on a thorough inspection of the property. We offer what can only be described as a bespoke service, we do what we need to do to get the best controll based on an arsenal of potential weapons. Each one has its uses and value and the trick to good bed bug control is knowing what to use and when to use it.
We never use aerosols in homes but would consider using it is isolated structures such as vehicles and boats.
I am sorry I cant be of more help but all my work is based on a scientific approach to investigation which by its nature means I need to see the site to know what is going on, how long they have been there, what the likely source is based on your movements and the life stages of the bed bugs and only when we have that will be start looking at chemicals.
David
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Posted 3 years ago
Wed Oct 14 2009 14:09:55
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Hi soscared,
The other 90% is what we do based on a thorough inspection of the property. We offer what can only be described as a bespoke service, we do what we need to do to get the best controll based on an arsenal of potential weapons. Each one has its uses and value and the trick to good bed bug control is knowing what to use and when to use it.
We never use aerosols in homes but would consider using it is isolated structures such as vehicles and boats.
I am sorry I cant be of more help but all my work is based on a scientific approach to investigation which by its nature means I need to see the site to know what is going on, how long they have been there, what the likely source is based on your movements and the life stages of the bed bugs and only when we have that will be start looking at chemicals.
David
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Posted 3 years ago
Wed Oct 14 2009 20:02:50
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Thanks very much, David and Doug.
David - would you NOT use aerosol Vampyre inside homes bc it doesn't penetrate to the refugia, as you said, or bc it will drive them further into the hiding spots? That is my fear. I asked the PCO over and over again, and they said that only happens with the over the counter bombs and fogs, but not this one. Are they lying?
Why don't you live in NYC? WE NEED YOU HERE!Doug - I don't think I am going to do the sock thing. i did it once, but then I was so scared to remove it and look, that I just threw it out. I am just going to packtite the vacuum after every use. it's pretty fast when packtited alone. about an hour 45 mins for my vac.
What is your opinion of this mist? Is it going to spread the bugs deeper into crevices?
Also a quick dog question - shouldn't the dog be able to tell between dead and live bugs? The PCO told me to vacuum every day so the dog doesn't have false positives of dead bugs. (The dog is Sara).Thanks again.
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Thanks very much, David and Doug.
David - would you NOT use aerosol Vampyre inside homes bc it doesn't penetrate to the refugia, as you said, or bc it will drive them further into the hiding spots? That is my fear. I asked the PCO over and over again, and they said that only happens with the over the counter bombs and fogs, but not this one. Are they lying?
Why don't you live in NYC? WE NEED YOU HERE!Doug - I don't think I am going to do the sock thing. i did it once, but then I was so scared to remove it and look, that I just threw it out. I am just going to packtite the vacuum after every use. it's pretty fast when packtited alone. about an hour 45 mins for my vac.
What is your opinion of this mist? Is it going to spread the bugs deeper into crevices?
Also a quick dog question - shouldn't the dog be able to tell between dead and live bugs? The PCO told me to vacuum every day so the dog doesn't have false positives of dead bugs. (The dog is Sara).Thanks again.
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