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Bed bug products... Bed Bug Volcano/ Verifi [was: what could they be hatching?]
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Wed Sep 28 2011 12:18:37
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I wonder what this is about:
http://www.fmcprosolutions.com/BedBugs/CountDown.aspx
Will it be a new passive or active monitor?
A new "sniffer"?
None of the above?
Whatever it is, will it work?At this point, we can't know if it could be a breakthrough or if it's just another ho-hum product, but the marketers certainly know how to create hype.
You have to wonder if this "Headline News" article on PCT is a paid one, or if the magazine really is excited.
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Wed Sep 28 2011 12:22:12
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Reads like copy pulled straight from a press release. :-/
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Wed Sep 28 2011 12:28:56
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Some of us don't need to wonder!
It was hinted at in Chicago and prototypes featured in one of the sessions.
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Wed Sep 28 2011 12:30:43
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I wondered if that might be the case, especially given the timing. Care to share, David?
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Wed Sep 28 2011 12:35:37
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A new addition to the active family, care to let ms clear these jobs and get back to the office, I have only been off a plane for 5 hours.
David
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Wed Sep 28 2011 15:30:13
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Hi,
To our gracious host you have mail.
For the others its a CO2 via dry ice system so I am not going to be the biggest of fans on health and safety and access issues. There are other additional features possibly including a chemical addition which will rule out global applications due to approval issues.
I am also very weary about lab arena based tests and prefer to see data from field applications. I have repeated some of this labs work myself in field conditions and found it to be less efficient and efficacious than their tests but will try and pick one up in New Orleans when they launch to see what its like.
I did pick up a few other items from Chicago this week so may do some competitive arena trials next week but to be honest its not currently my highest priority as we are rather busy and am I suspect meeting EffeCi will stimulate a few other ideas to play with.
David
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Wed Sep 28 2011 16:09:30
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How was the conference in Chicago David? Anything new? Any new BB weapons?
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Wed Sep 28 2011 16:51:12
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Posted an update in the sticky above.
David
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Wed Sep 28 2011 19:08:31
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I found the conference to be excellent.
One of the products is the Bed Bug Volcano trap. It will utilize CO2 via a cylinder, a kairomone, and a harborage area. It looks very promising and more importantly, affordable.
Sean
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Wed Sep 28 2011 20:32:13
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bed-bugscouk - 5 hours ago »
Hi,
To our gracious host you have mail.Thanks, David.
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Wed Sep 28 2011 20:35:56
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Just a reminder, if anyone has additional conference reports, stories, etc. please post on the dedicated "Chicago 2011" thread.
Thanks!
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Wed Sep 28 2011 21:46:53
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Sean,
That sounds like the night watch and CDC, co2 by cylinder, etc. How will they deal with the ip/patent implications?
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Thu Sep 29 2011 8:49:14
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djames1921 - 10 hours ago »
How will they deal with the ip/patent implications?Sadly probably the same way that all the others will and do. Sell now and worry late, heck half the time I am sure they don't even bother testing it in the field. Same really because arena trials often forget to take into account that CO2 is a heavy gas so meters should be placed down low and gasses not allowed to build up.
I could envisage something further developed from what I saw using cylinders but all that I saw was dry ice driven and that is still not a practical solution in most locations. I guess we will see more in New Orleans.
David
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Thu Sep 29 2011 12:56:38
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bed-bugscouk - 21 hours ago »
...will try and pick one up in New Orleans when they launch to see what it's like.
...Did I miss a reference – is there going to be another bb-fighters' gathering soon, in New Orleans. Or is there going to be a dedicated event introducing the new product(s).
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Thu Sep 29 2011 14:03:40
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jrbtnyc - 1 hour ago »
Did I miss a reference – is there going to be another bb-fighters' gathering soon, in New Orleans. Or is there going to be a dedicated event introducing the new product(s).I will reply despite it not being structured as a polite question. The meeting in New Orleans is the NPMA national annual meeting which is always the main October event in the pest control world and can be seen at http://www.PestWorld.org .
I have been two one a few years back in Las Vegas and will most likely bring my usual charm and style to this one.
David
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Thu Oct 20 2011 5:43:10
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Hi,
Thanks for the link to the YouTube.
I think a few forum regulars will be having their patent lawyers look through that one as it would appear to infringe a few and I know of one it definitely infringes.
It will be an interesting few months till that one gets ironed out.
David
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Thu Oct 20 2011 16:07:06
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This 20+-minute video, just uploaded to YouTube yesterday October 19, certainly has impressive high-end production values which, other things being equal, would tend to make viewers consider this innovation seriously, called the Verifi™ bed bug detector.
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Thu Oct 20 2011 17:07:41
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Note the video is directed entirely towards pest management professionals – why is that – wouldn't individuals be able to use the Verifi as well, to great advantage if it works as advertised. As presented in the video it certainly seems simple enough for laypersons to use, nor does it contain chemicals requiring handlers to have pest control credentials – unless the kairomone and pheromone bb attractants, or somehow the CO2-generating part, would be such? And on the website verifibedbugs.com = fmcprosolutions.com/BedBugs/Home.aspx, even in the sections for Hospitality Management and Property Manager/Homeowner it still refers to "Your pest management professional" placing the device or replacing its modules periodically, rather than you yourself.
Routinely I would wish to inquire to what degree interviewees Dr. Philip Koehler of the University of Florida, Dr. Susan Jones of Ohio State University, and Lonnie Alonso, President of Columbus Pest Control Inc., who speak so persuasively on the video about how the Verifi is going to be a breakthrough weapon against bb's, are independent or whether they are employed in some respect by FMC Professional Solutions, makers of the device and therefore, not surprisingly, endorse it wholeheartedly. Should this aspect have been discussed on the video itself.
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Thu Oct 20 2011 18:18:39
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Hi jrbtnyc,
Some valid points there, I can't answe as to why direct to professionals only but with regards endorsements and clarity are concerned I would respectfully suggest that this may just be the latest in a line of examples.
I would urge people to ask for clarity on all products that are tested and endorsed. This product does not appear to have independent trial data or field validation of all the claims. Before it gets sold to any consumers this really does need to happen.
It's a shame I could not see the finished product in person but have had more than a few calls and emails from people in NO and the reaction appears to be mixed with a lot saying the duration and level of CO2 may be an issue here.
It is certainly a very different configuration to the unit seen during academic presentations in Chicago.
David
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Thu Oct 20 2011 18:25:24
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David, can you confirm that Verifi is the same product which was referred to as the "Bed BugVolcano" above, in discussions after the Bed Bug Summit in Chicago?
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Thu Oct 20 2011 18:28:13
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jrbtnyc - 2 hours ago »
This 20+-minute video, just uploaded to YouTube yesterday October 19, certainly has impressive high-end production values which, other things being equal, would tend to make viewers consider this innovation seriously, called the Verifi™ bed bug detector.It is a nice video.
I don't have any knowledge yet of the effectiveness of this product, but I will say that based on past experiences, high-end production values don't have much effect on my assessment of bed bug-related products.
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Thu Oct 20 2011 18:50:31
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Hi NoBugs,
The simple answer is yes and no.
The bedbug volcano presentation was made by Phil Koehler and it was intimated that this would be commercialised by FMC. However when you compare the YouTube videos they are clearly different looking devices and the method of CO2 generation is also different.
For example I can see how a heavy gas like CO2 can escape from a well if the source is in excess such as a cylinder or even dry ice but the well on the product does appear to be deep although I don't currently know the nature of the reaction. We know from other studies that prolonged CO2 production is key as a primary lure and yet this only does 1 day production.
I think field data and some close analysis is in order but that's not likely to occur until 2012 and who knows it may have changed again before we finally see it. I certainly feel a little at odds with the nature of the sales pitch on the video, it seems sold as revenue maintainance rather that efficacy which never sits that well with my consumer bulldog reputation.
I will certain test one as soon as it's available.
David
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Thu Oct 20 2011 18:54:04
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Thanks, David!
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Thu Oct 20 2011 20:47:46
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Amy O'Shea seems incredibly nervous in that. Her voice is good, but her body is in one stiff and uncomfortable position. She must have jumped out of shot a couple of times.
/director brain
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