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Excellent stuff here .. another imposter solving the world’s problems with clueless nonsense.
In the “about the authors” section of your site .. You make no mention of playing a PCO on TV, or the big screen …..
Guess I’ll be the first pick for the roll of Danny Zuko when they start filming Grease 3 huh.
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Wow...I'm impressed...a successful fighting method from a single case...
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Sun Jul 19 2009 20:37:01
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You know I take great offense to the statements above. I'm one of the writers of the book
"Sleep Tight" and not only have I PERSONALLY gone through the affliction that is bed bugs, I'm trying to help people in the same state.This book is about one couples story and how it will help others to get rid of bed bugs. It's has not only been tried and tested for just one couple. If you actually read the book you would know that.
However, it is very unfortunate that there are so many in the world willing to see people suffer. You must not have experienced bed bugs personally, or if you have it's, in my mind, sad that you would doom others to that fate do to closed mindedness .
Read the book try it yourself!
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However, it is very unfortunate that there are so many in the world willing to see people suffer. You must not have experienced bed bugs personally, or if you have it's, in my mind, sad that you would doom others to that fate do to closed mindedness .
Hey moe!
Killer Queen and EffeCi are professionals KQ is a PCO and EffeCi an entomologist fighting the war every day. They see suffering people every freaking day. Most of us here have been there, done that, in regard to BBs. We empathize far more than you make think with the pain and suffering BBs cause.
You are spamming with some supposed method that worked for you.
Tell ya what put your money where your mouth is and send the book gratis to one of our BB experts to see if you have harmful stuff in there.
We are all about SAFE and effective treatments here. There are some effective things that are horrifically dangerous.
Jim
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Sun Jul 19 2009 21:12:23
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Just looked at your site.
If you believe this......
However, it is very unfortunate that there are so many in the world willing to see people suffer. You must not have experienced bed bugs personally, or if you have it's, in my mind, sad that you would doom others to that fate do to closed mindedness .
Why are you gigging $10.95 a shot for your "expertise". Hell I could write my story and techniques and huck it for cash but Noooooooo I stay here and advise without charging a freaking dime.
Many a BB expert stays here helping and doesn't charge shit. You are a freaking snake oil salesman period!
Jim
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Sun Jul 19 2009 21:28:03
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I said what I said because each treatment is unique. While we all face the same challenge (the bug) each case should be looked at from all levels. I kill bugs each and every day and although I have not had bed bugs in my own home, I work as though I’m treating my own living space. I work in children’s rooms as though they are my own kids. And I don’t sleep well unless I know I did everything I can for my client.
I talk to I can’t even tell you how many people each day, be it from my cell phone or email. For people who want to hire me or not. I just got off the phone with one of my clients now and its 9:20 on a Sunday night. I don’t think you can find that type of customer service anywhere. Bottom line I care more then you will know. I have seen this type of eBook down load offered on eBay and other places. Buy the domain name and website and just start making money from people downloading the book. It’s nonsense as I first mentioned.
I could get rich selling my treatment techniques in a download or a how to DVD …. But the fact is this type of work should be left for the professionals no matter how hard it is to find a qualified pest management professional.
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Sun Jul 19 2009 21:42:12
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I should of also mentioned.. I’m all ears if you want to tell me the difference between a suspended concentrate and a microencapsulated product. You don’t ask the deli owner how to fix a plumbing leak and you shouldn’t be trying to make money with something you know nothing about. The bed is 70% of an infestation …. Should I only sell mattress encasements .. and have a 70% success rate?
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I went back to the site .. And although the site looks like a 3rd grader put it together.... I did send a payment.... and I was not given a link for the eBook download. The only challenge is wondering where my $7.95 went? I'm sitting here with nothing to read.
Take caution who you call a pro.... Even Universities have wrong information on their sites.
If you had such a wealth of information... why did you use the bed bug pictures that the whole world has seen? Did you not find bugs to photo when you were writing the book? -
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I suspect your requests would fall on far more sympathetic ears if you were willing to make review copies available to experts on the boards. You would probably even be welcome to define expert in multiple ways--expert laypeople or expert professionals.
Generally speaking, that's the protocol in most fields I know. People with new research send out reader copies to experts in the field who write unbiased reviews for the general public. In the old days, those reviews got published in newspapers. For a large scale book release, it would require a lot of review copies because they'd have to go out to so many news outlets. Since the field of bed bug research is pretty small, and since your work is available in an electronic copy, it shouldn't be cost prohibitive to send out electronic reader copies to a small group of reviewers.
Given the number of people who have either been personally taken advantage of by unscrupulous "professionals" or who have read depressing stories of people who've come here asking for help only after people who are only out for profit have taken their money and left them with nothing worth while, I would imagine that it's not that hard to see why skepticism is prevalent in bed bug fighting communities.
You will find that there are a number of people on the boards here who've been bed bug free for a long time but who stick around to keep informed about developments in the field. Some are professionals whose living is connected to bed bugs: entomologists, pest control professionals, people who train detection dogs. Others, like me, are laypeople with a curiosity streak a mile wide.
I think we're more than willing to hear out anyone who is willing to put his or her solutions up to the kind of critical scrutiny that is the norm in most fields.
I also have to tell you, however, that I personally am less inclined to seek out advice from any service provider who calls questions from potential clients not "legitimate". My impression is that someone who is selling me a product should be more than willing to answer whatever questions I have or, at the very least, give a compelling reason for why such information isn't readily available to the general public rather than trying to manipulate peoples' emotions with such transparent rhetorical tactics.
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Sun Jul 19 2009 23:11:27
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I am in Vancouver ...
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lol .. this is classic ... I have downloaded the file. I'm not going to get into everything ... but in the disclaimer ... you have "final results may vary" why is that?
And the kit ... Bug spray of your choice?
OMG .... Are you kidding me .... You challenge me???
DE is made from shellfish? Lady stick to children’s books .. This aint the land of make believe!
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I have a question. Why are you guys all running so scared? You profess to be the experts in all things bed bug, but it seems to me that your minds are not only shut, but sealed shut! I've read the book and I used it and I'm bed bug free! I guess if you can't trump the authors with your 'chemicals' then all that's left is to try to discredit them with your B.S. about all your years of knowledge. New things do happen you guys and either you get with it or you'll be behind it. God! you guys are amazing! There are literally millions of people out there in dire need of help. Who made you God such that you tell people your way is the only way? THAT BOOK WORKS! And furthermore, it puts the power into the hands of the people themselves. I don't know about you but I for one am all for that. You have had the corner on the market for far too long. Bed bugs are at epidemic levels right now all around the world. Why would you be so dead against people trying to help themselves. And for God's it's only $7.98. It's not going to break the bank! And another thing... you make a reference to ' results may vary'. I guess, Mr. Genius, you didn't bother to read the rest of the paragraph because it is explained. I just checked it myself. You're running blind, and scared. I feel sorry for you. People deserve another option where fighting these bugs is concerned and your wet blanket isn't going to stop them. I for one, am very grateful for that!
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Hey shit for brains ...... Any steamer will not do .... You don't need to do a skin test if your allergic to shell fish. DE is not made from shell fish moron.
And you don't tell people to steam treat over an area you just put chemical on. But why would you know anything about volatizing a chemical? You’re probably a computer programmer who sprinkled DE inside their PC ... as mentioned.
I do this every day for a living ...... you are clueless.
40 plus pages is a story about what they went through. You are connected to this as … I can’t think of anyone returning here to rebut my thoughts at 12am.
If I am granted permission without breaking your copyright laws .. I can rip apart this trash … and make you look like even a bigger fool.
So now I challenge you. Do you dare allow me the right to discuss fault in what you wrote?
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rubyk65 - 24 minutes ago »
I have a question. Why are you guys all running so scared?You have had the corner on the market for far too long. Bed bugs are at epidemic levels right now all around the world. Why would you be so dead against people trying to help themselves. And for God's it's only $7.98.
People deserve another option where fighting these bugs is concerned and your wet blanket isn't going to stop them. I for one, am very grateful for that!
Lemme 'splain something to you. I am not a PCO, entomologist, or make one goddamn dime off pest control.
I studied BB biology and beat the little shits with the help of a PCO but could do it on my own now if I had to. I share my experience and knowledge freely with the newbites here and don't gig them a red freaking cent.
I wrote a long tome about using DE safely, look it up I didn't charge a f'ing thing! I wrote extensively about using sealants in the war. No charge! I help ID bugs people find. No charge!
If these assclowns were such humanitarians they would stop hawking their book and get on here or the bedbugger yahoo group and disseminate their knowledge, BUT NOOOOOOooooooo they want the cash.
The authors are at best snake oil salesman and you are a shill!
Send me that shit and let me rip it up I could use a laugh!
Jim
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Why do you keep bypassing the issue... that being... what works? You're still saying that yours is the only one that does. You seem to think you see all/know all. Hmmm... interesting. So maybe people would like to try something new. Apparently that's not allowed. And also, if you get scared enough then just start name calling. That's mature. Like I said before... new things are out there and all of your insults won't stop the people from looking.
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rubyk65 - 29 seconds ago »
... new things are out there and all of your insults won't stop the people from looking.Or stop you from charging them for it. Give it away for free then!
People share here all the time what works for them because they want to help other victims and aren't making a buck.
Jim
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Ahhh. Now I have it. You're mad because somebody has taken the initiative to write a book. Books are allowed to be sold you know. Or maybe your get all yours for free somewhere? I apologize then. I was under the impression that this blog was for sharing ideas. I seem to have been wrong in that. I shared my experience of having read a book, used the information, learned a heck of a lot through the experience, and just thought I'd like to tell people about it. Wow! I'm amazed. How could I have been so wrong????
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OK so you wrote a book and are gigging people for it. Perfectly legal and a legit venture but just admit it is about the money just like the greedy exterminators with their evil chemicals.
However, and KQ can answer this since he bought it, is there anything contained therein that is really "new" and not been discussed here to some extent?
I betcha nobugs nukes this whole circus thread.
Jim
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Everything in the book is not privileged information. Most of it, is in the fact section on this site.
I have been offered to write a book more than once .... And was even asked again today in fact to do an interview. So please don't tell me about writing a book. I don't think Newsweek or the NY Times has any interest in your thoughts.. as they do mine ... but I can't even go public with them as I would not be able to keep up with the demand if more of the public knows of me.And as far as new goes .... DE has been around longer then all of us. It is in fact the first known form of insecticide known to man. So there is nothing new with that ... or your book. I’m just glad I spent the money and not somebody here looking for help. de-cluttering is nothing new friend.
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Hi,
As one of the authors of one of the only two published books on bed bugs in the last 4 years I know I am going to be a little biased on this one but I think it is well worth a little input.
Unfortunately there are many sites, possibly as many as 100 out there selling bed bug eBook's. I used to buy them to see the quality of presentation of the information and to review its contents. Most of them are based on the Australian eBook that first appeared in about 2006 of which I have seen 5 or 6 different versions.
If I have time today I will buy a copy of your book and have at look at it for technical merit. I would however say that collecting information from academics will not always get you the right answers. Its a small point but one worth making in your lifecycle diagram it talks about bed bug larva and specifically the 4 stages before adults. Well bed bugs do not have a larval stage, insect larva is a specific term and refers to the immature stage of an insect which goes through a metamorphic stage before it becomes adult. The immature stage of a bed bug is a nymph or instar.
Those of us who have been around for long enough to remember when bed bugs was a rare subject have seen many of the "snake oil sellers" arrive, the me to products from the kookie to the down right insane. Some stay a few days while others hang around the place like the guest that refuses to leave.
I would however like to make one point clear there is no method in the world that will stop bed bugs getting back into a property, that is all about people not coming into contact with bed bugs while away from home or ensuring that all adjoining neighbours are also free from the problem. They are a pest of exposure and don't give a monkeys as to what you home is like when they come into contact with you.
I am sorry if you see this as negative feedback but please understand this is in response to your thread about the launch of the book, unfortunately you have posted on a forum that happens to be renowned fro the quality of its FAQ's and the fact that contributors include most of the top 10 bed bug specialists in the world who have a combined experience that would take you 20+ years to gain. For example I have been dealing exclusively in the eradication of bed bugs longer than anyone else in the world, I am the founder of the first company in modern times to specialise only in bed bugs, a tradition that we are happy to carry on from the 17th century specialist firm Tiffin and Son of London. As such I have dealt with over 11,500 cases of bed bugs in such complex situations as buildings, vehicle, commercial spaces and have eradicated infestations as complex as 1,000 room hotels and 17 story accommodation buildings. As others have said each case is dealt with on its own merits and with accurate analysis of the environment and circumstances, good bed bug control is bespoke tot he situation at hand and not a perscriptive methodology.
I will post more comment once I have had a chance to read some of the content.
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Ruby and sleeptight, understand why veterans here are cynical of "cure-alls". Note that this site runs paid ads. Posts that blatantly sell products are usually deleted (moderator is probably away for the weekend).
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OK I have now read the whole content. If you want an honest opinion I don't think it is good karma. It is technically dubious at best and to be frank you get better content in the FAQ's here.
You are missing a whole section on why aerosol and fogger based insecticides should not be used on bed bugs.
There are numerous cases where you have made assumptions or extrapolations from the opinions of one of two professionals stating them as an industry view point.
It would also appear that the ISBN listed is made up as there is no record of it on amazon or online.
Do I think its worth the cover price, amusing as the writing style is no it is a blog at best.
Regards,
David
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I actually went to order this late last week and didn't feel like dealing with my PayPal account so I refrained until this week. Thanks David for saving me the time.
I was going to write a review, which I may still do since our site has some drive in the BB world and people may then actually see it.
If and when that happens, I'll let everyone know.
I've also ordered one of the other books that recently was released which actually seems pretty good from the table of contents. We'll see when it arrives.
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I think we missed the point of the book and have misjudged it. It is to be used as a form of mechanical control, you squash the bed bugs with it or more likely you throw it across the room
in disgust and you hit them. If indeed the authors did fight a bb battle and were successful, where did they get the information they needed. Probably collected a lot of it from folks willing to give of their time, possibly maybe even from this site. Unfortunatley their response is now to profiteer with the "knowledge?". -
It is as they say the subtle difference between prophetic and pathetic.
They have clearly learnt from the bed bugs and now wish to parasitise you of your cash.
As Siskal and Ebert would say two big thumbs down and a massive shame on you from the rest of us.
When I get time I will compile a list of these eBooks and will rate them out of 10 for content, style and ease of read. I must have read 20 or 30 of them over the years, the only consellation is that the author usually gets their content ripped off by someone who resells under a different name but as they say there is one born every minute.
David
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I just want to point something out to any bed bug sufferers who stumble upon this thread.
Putting aside the remarkable syntactic and emotionally manipulative similarities between the writing in sleeptight007's and rubyk65's posts (and the fact that amazingly enough, those two people were not logged into the site at the same time), when you are evaluating whose advice about bed bugs to trust, consider the following:
Many of the pest control professionals and entomologists on this site often offer up advice to people who live thousands of miles away from them without being paid for such advice in any way. In addition, no matter how much help I got in terms of info from, say, Doug Summers, David Cain, Tony Canevaro, Winston O. Buggy, or any other entomologist or PCO on the boards, none of them lived within a 200 mile radius of where I live, so none of them could even have been giving me free advice in hopes that long term it would lead to them making a profit off of treating my home down the road.
And even though I've been around the boards for more than a year, I've never once even seen them refer to a colleague in my neck of the woods.
There are a few PCOs here who do live near the people who post to the boards. However, many of them have a reputation for calling or private messaging people either inside or outside the area they can treat just to help people out. Even though they do so out of the spotlight, if you're an attentive reader, you'll see proof of this--since you'll see the posts they make referring to private messages they've sent, or you see posts from bed bug suffers in Idaho who got a phone call from a New York based PCO.
If you're suffering from bed bugs, you have a choice. You can take advice from people who've established over time that they want to help people and who have no financial interest in the advice they give you.
Or you can buy a self-published book (self-published books don't have ISBNs, international standard book numbers, which is one way to spot whether something has been self-published, among others) by people who seem reluctant to answer any questions about what solutions their book offers and who seem reluctant to send review copies out to readers so that those readers, whether professionals or amateurs, can write an unbiased review.
There is nothing wrong with self-publishing, but in the publishing world, having your writing handled by an established publisher does serve as a bit of quality control. After all, a publisher only accepts a book if there's enough credibility in the material and/or enough market interest in the topic. It's true that bed bugs haven't yet become a nationwide commonality in the US big enough for publishers to see a big market for books. So it's possible that the authors (since they live in North America, and in Canada the bed bug problem is biggest in two provinces) couldn't find a North American publisher interested in the material.
But we should also keep in mind that they might have shopped it to publishers who passed on the book, either because of lack of market or because of the quality of information in the book.
As I tell my students all the time when we're talking about evaluating sources, any crackpot can post a web page and put information on it--or post a web page asking for money in order to be able to download a self-published text. The reason that teachers push students to use information from established, reviewed sources is that unless you're already pretty good at evaluating the quality of the source, web sources can be a challenge to readers' ability to evaluate the quality of sources.
Esp. with self-published work on the internet that you can't even browse before buying you have to decide whether you're willing to risk shelling out $8 for something that might contain numerous inaccuracies.
Ultimately, current and future bed bug sufferers, the choice of whom to trust is up to you; however, I know whose advice I trust most when it comes to the complex problem that is bed bugs. I know which people have a long term track record of taking the time to teach accurately the complex information behind all aspects of bed bug life, behavior, and removal to folks new and old alike around here. And the ones I trust don't charge nearly $8 in advance for their advice.
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I wonder if there are as many words in the book as there are on these posts?
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I have had a number of complaints about this thread.
Here's the conundrum: delete the thread, or leave it up to educate others? I am inclined to do the latter but welcome input in PMs or email.
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I say leave it up as an indication to those who may want to save that $8.
I may also cut and paste a few choice parts of it since I can reproduce up to 5% of the material without infringing copyright although its hard to decide what part would illustrate the point best.
David
PS I am rather shocked though, having dealt with bed bugs day in and day out for the last 7 years I really thought nothing could make me feel dirty anymore but I was almost ashamed to call myself an author over this one.
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I concur leave it and let the buyers beware. Actually there are a few pest control books out like this, a rather dashing one on Thysanura, Silverfish that I received from a client. Hey if you want to leave boric acid and water soaked balls of waded up newspaper in cereal bowls about your house be my guest.
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Does the book list which experts were consulted? As I said; I live in Vancouver and would like to hear more about the sources.
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I just want to know what I should NOW do with my copy?
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Winston O. Buggy - 13 hours ago »
I think we missed the point of the book and have misjudged it. It is to be used as a form of mechanical control, you squash the bed bugs with it or more likely you throw it across the roomNope, it's an e-book, only effective against e-bugs ;)
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Winston O. Buggy - 13 hours ago »
I think we missed the point of the book and have misjudged it. It is to be used as a form of mechanical control, you squash the bed bugs with it or more likely you throw it across the roomNope, it's an e-book, only effective against e-bugs ;)
You always print it and drop the bound copy on top of them from increasing heights, of course individual results may vary and the authors do not guarantee that you will get similar results by dropping heavy books on passing bed bugs.
I did look at some of the other literary projects of these authors and their linked friends and am looking forward to my new reality now that I have realised that I am but a cosmic gypsy on the path of oneness (video link can be supplied upon request but its a little OT or should that be OTT).
But fear not it has inspired me to collaborate with a few other seasoned bed buggers on my new literary project "Tin foil hats - your latest and greatest weapon in the fight against bed bugs". The weighty tomes will draw all the amazing conclusions you expect from eBooks and many more besides. Learn the advanced secrets of the bed bug pro's from the Dark Master himself. If you buy in the next 5 days you also get our bonus book "training your fairies as a personal bed bug army".
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Good luck with your book.
You, myself, and any other clear thinking person knows exactly why you're being SLAMMED for writing, and promoting your work. Yet the so-called "experts" can promote until the cows come home.
If I had not yet taken care of my bb problem with self-treatment (which I have) I would probably buy your book.
Again, good luck.
I continue to find it interesting how a certain small group of people on this board are so nasty, insulting....and just plain rude when it comes to individuals who think in a different way, or want to try different methods...or want to "help" people. Pretty sad....but I think I have them pegged as to why this is!
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Jason1 - 17 minutes ago »
Good luck with your book.
You, myself, and any other clear thinking person knows exactly why you're being SLAMMED for writing, and promoting your work. Yet the so-called "experts" can promote until the cows come home.
If I had not yet taken care of my bb problem with self-treatment (which I have) I would probably buy your book.
Again, good luck.
I continue to find it interesting how a certain small group of people on this board are so nasty, insulting....and just plain rude when it comes to individuals who think in a different way, or want to try different methods...or want to "help" people. Pretty sad....but I think I have them pegged as to why this is!Big difference Jason. You publically laid out what you did and took quite a few lumps, lots from me, about following safety precautions but you didn't gig people $$$$$.
You shared it in an honest effort to help people. I still think you are overapplying that stuff but you didn't set up a web site to get a "piece of the action" from the evil pest control industry.
These guys are spamming to get money from people and not being open about their methodology. Once you fork over the greenbacks then you get their stuff.
You and many others here give their experience away for free in an effort to help people. These guys are all about the $$$$$$$.
That my man is the big difference and why I threw these guys under the bus.
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Well you're damn right about that....I ain't getting paid, lol.
I did get a REAL person email me back from Ortho, Canada, though.
I told them my story, and they said they were forwarding it to their r&d department. Do you think it's safe for me to put a down payment on the new Ferrari 430? ;)
Yeah, I DID take my lumps with some of you....but 6 weeks later and no bb's, down to bi-monthly spraying....and no sign of bb's anywhere. So I won't complain about the 'lumps' of my impending failure thrown at me. Success is close!
Anyway, I just think people are being a little too hard on this person with the book.
I have seen lots of pumping on this board from pco's....yet have no way of 100% verifying their claims of success. I see a little "pot-calling-kettle"....but whatever, you guys continue kicking his/her teeth in. Some of you seem to get off on it, heh!
That's it for me in here!
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Jason1 - 17 minutes ago »
Good luck with your book.
You, myself, and any other clear thinking person knows exactly why you're being SLAMMED for writing, and promoting your work. Yet the so-called "experts" can promote until the cows come home.
If I had not yet taken care of my bb problem with self-treatment (which I have) I would probably buy your book.
Again, good luck.
I continue to find it interesting how a certain small group of people on this board are so nasty, insulting....and just plain rude when it comes to individuals who think in a different way, or want to try different methods...or want to "help" people. Pretty sad....but I think I have them pegged as to why this is!Big difference Jason. You publically laid out what you did and took quite a few lumps, lots from me, about following safety precautions but you didn't gig people $$$$$.
You shared it in an honest effort to help people. I still think you are overapplying that stuff but you didn't set up a web site to get a "piece of the action" from the evil pest control industry.
These guys are spamming to get money from people and not being open about their methodology. Once you fork over the greenbacks then you get their stuff.
You and many others here give their experience away for free in an effort to help people. These guys are all about the $$$$$$$.
That my man is the big difference and why I threw these guys under the bus.
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Wow what has happened to this forum. Lots of angst. Summer, or the lack-there-of if you're from the Northeast, has everyone cranky.
Rubyk65, there are infestations out there I could eliminate with my finger if there's only a few bugs and I can find them. Just because it worked for you doesn't make it technically sound. There's the difference between a story book and a technical reference. Maybe the author's don't sell this as a technical reference and that's fine but if it isn't, it should be marketed as a story or non-technical reference. It can be misleading and cost many more money when what the authors said worked for them fails. If it's marketed properly, to be honest, I have no problem with the reference.
As for the close-minded comment, I actually agree with it. About a week ago there was a guy on here spouting off about how this was a glorified marketing sight and attacking some of the experts on here and my first reaction was to attack back but I sat and thought about it and although I didn't agree with how he said what he said, I decided to start a "Do-it-yourself" series on BBCTV because he wasn't wrong conceptually. At some level sometimes some of us experts do get close-minded, narrow-sighted and a little full of ourselves (well at least I'll admit it even though I make a damn hard effort not to).
Just be careful about what you say "works" and what's technically accurate. I can spray horse shit in my house and probably rid my home of bed bugs if there's only a few. Does that "work"?
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JWhiteBBCTV - 16 minutes ago »
Just be careful about what you say "works" and what's technically accurate. I can spray horse shit in my house and probably rid my home of bed bugs if there's only a few. Does that "work"?
As long as you follow the label and the MSDS on the horse shit, spray away Jeff. ;)
IMHO as long as someone is pursuing a self treatment plan and understands the enemy they are fighting, incorporating a multi pronged attack, and is taking safety into consideration as part of their plan, they can go for it.
These guys selling some E-book claiming it is a succesful plan but will not subject it at the very least to a safety review by someone bothers me.
Jim
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Jason1 - 1 hour ago »
Well you're damn right about that....I ain't getting paid, lol.
I did get a REAL person email me back from Ortho, Canada, though.
I told them my story, and they said they were forwarding it to their r&d department. Do you think it's safe for me to put a down payment on the new Ferrari 430? ;)I'd hold off on that down payment Jason. In all fairness, reading that Canadian label, it allows for application into many areas where BBs can harbor. Provided they are not resistant to the pesticide it would be more effective than the USA that is far more restricted in the application locations.
It does not specify the minimum duration between applications and hopefully they could answer that. With a 12 month residual I can't imagine it can be applied every couple of days. Obviously you have had great success with it but the safety question, for everyone, needs an answer.
Jim
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Wed Jul 22 2009 19:48:03
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Anybody else catch the stab in that post towards the people who went after him?
What does "more natural method" mean exactly and is my use of horse manure qualify?
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Wed Jul 22 2009 19:50:21
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Takes balls to spam someone elses site, that cost them money, and then brag about your profits.
Kick Nobugs a cut or GTF out!
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Wed Jul 22 2009 20:33:13
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SleepTight,
Your post is spam and has been deleted. I was tolerant of it until you pointed out how sales had spiked due to this thread. I don't mind people discussing your book, but I'd hate to see readers jumping on it until we know what's in it.
Ruby,
I suspect strongly that you have some connection beyond being a simple customer who bought the book. What are the odds that you were a happy customer who just happened upon our site within a day of the salesman posting this message?
And from the same geographical area and internet service? How curious.
If you are connected with the book, as I suspect, you are violating the Terms and C onditions of site use, which prohibit people from pretending to be happy customers or otherwise disinterested parties.
Jason,
Most of the experts here -- both PCOs and veteran bedbuggers (and myself) -- have been, in my opinion, more respectful of you than you have of us.
Please give it a rest. I am willing to tolerate you sharing what worked for you, but not the endless jibes about experts or the site or PCOs.
Moreover, I ask that you do not turn every thread into a thread about your methods and their reception on the forums. It's tedious and off-topic. Keep it in the original context please.
If you have not noticed people trying to hawk bed bug-related snake oil (be it chemical or informational), or it has not occurred to you that all DIY methods are not equally valid, then just pay attention.
Until a book like this has been read and evaluated (and its methods tested), you'd be a fool to encourage its use.
Note to all:
I do allow advertising on the site, but I try and avoid -- as much as is possible when I cannot screen all ads -- advertising for information or products not known to be useful by parties I trust.
If a product is valuable, let experts test it.
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Thu Jul 23 2009 0:35:07
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Well said !!!
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Thu Jul 23 2009 0:41:31
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Incidentally, I have also removed the post sleeptight had on The Bed Bug Resource.
Until they are willing to send me a copy for review they are not to advertise on the site.
Sean.
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Please UK, associating cosmic gypsies with these folks give us a bad name. Honestly, I think these folks felt they could help others (misguided perhaps) AND that they could make some $ at the same time.
You know how it is....bed bugs..they're the new plastic.
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hi hoo (sorry I am having a dwarf moment),
Fear not I have lots of good friends who are psychically inclined and am generally a big fan of my the mystical side of life, in fact I am sure that Cosmic ordering was based on me.
What distressed me over this is the simple fact that for the same price as the eBook you can actually buy a real book, one that has science and experience behind it. One that includes numerous original high resolution images of bed bugs.
Its one of the sadder aspects of being in this line of work for such a long time, I have seen far too many scams and snake oil sellers pass through. Some with mild claims and others with absolute whoppers.
At the end of the day having read through that eBook I can confirm that you will find more accurate information and a greater quantity of it on this site, on bed bugs beware, of bed bug central, on bed bug resources and at least 50% of the other sites.
Yes it does appear at times that professionals appear to defend their own turf but the fact is its often because the claims made and what appears to be others supporting them are just scallies pumping and dumping product because they see it as a get rich quick scheme. Well I am sorry if I take the view that getting rich quick on other people's misery is wrong its one of the reasons why I set the price for the passive monitors so low. As a solution it will only work if it is affordable for all and therefore used by all.
Fear not though I don't slam people based on their esoteric beliefs just on the quality of their verbiage.
David
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At the end of the day having read through that eBook I can confirm that you will find more accurate information and a greater quantity of it on this site, on bed bugs beware, of bed bug central, on bed bug resources and at least 50% of the other sites.
And on the site, that information is free.
That was always my reservation with the etext. When I buy a printed book, or when I buy a self-published etext, I expect to be able to browse before I buy. Not the whole thing, but part of it. And what set my red flags wasn't the self-treat suggestion but the you couldn't read a sample, the hawkers of the book weren't willing to send out review copies to disinterested third parties (Even of their own choosing), and the boards hadn't been visited by happy customers of theirs before which if they'd really had enough people buy their book to sell it out would probably have happened.
We know that self-treatment is labor intensive and takes a while, and as a result, I'd expect to hear from a few people along the way during treatment. It's not 100%, but when combined with the other problems, it set off my snake oil spidey sense.
As for the quality of their verbiage, well, we've established that I do pay attention to that 'cause I'm a big meanie that way. So I should note that the original poster's posts didn't pass muster on that front for me either--at least, not for someone who had written a book or extext.
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OK Buggy, I am just about to finished a full re-write of my main website and will be uploading it in the next few hours. If you would do me the honor of a critical glance over for verbiage I will exchange the service for a copy of Bed Bug Beware the book and a passive monitor.
I am hoping that some of the readers will review it for the forums soon as yes I have sent a few review copies out to people.
David
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Thu Jul 23 2009 22:29:52
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I would be happy to review it if you are looking for more.
Sean
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Sean is probably going to be much better at reviewing the content than I am, but if you want a good grammar read over, and you can live with the fact that my American English is much better than my British English (two countries separated by a common language indeed), I'd be happy to take a look at the site in exchange for a copy of the book.
Just send me a PM with the timeline we're looking at for when it needs to be done.
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Hi buggy,
Copy in the post to Sean today. This is not a deep technical manual it is the modern version of what used to be the shilling guide book produced by the Natural History Museum up until 1945.
It basically explains all about bed bugs, how to avoid them, tips when traveling. How to grade an infestation and understand how it can be self treated if caught quickly. A section of new and upcoming technologies although there are some missing but there will be a next version.
Basically it is the advanced content for the web site. I have always aimed at keeping bed bug beware as a 3 - 5 minute read and understand. The book shows things that would expand the website to something more like my main site which takes several hours to thoroughly read and thats justt he public content.
David
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