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  1. punaisedelit

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    SO PCO came yesterday to spray for the 6th time in two months. I called him after I saw a live bug crawling back into a small crevice that had not been caulked properly.

    Then I found one dead bug yesterday evening, three dead ones today. Knowing he's sprayed so many times, it seems like many...

    At this point I am kind of desperate. I know I'll be moving out of this apartment in late May. I'm ok with the fact that I will live out of my plastic bags until then. The only thing I want to avoid is to spread the infestation to the rest of the apartment. I have seen only two bugs outside of the bedroom, on the bathroom door which is directly adjacent to the bedroom, the day after I moved my bed and box spring to put on the encasements.

    All of my things are bagged; I plan to treat everything with the Packtite as I get closer to my move. Is there anything I can do to avoid bringing bugs to the other rooms?

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    Dear punais,

    The less you physically move items from room to room probably the better.

    While you may not be able to assure 100% that bed bugs present, if any, won't move themselves from room to room, why give them a hand by "re-arranging" the furniture and moving a bunch of stuff around if it's not totally necessary.

    Thus far it sounds as if you're well on your way to having this situation resolved and moving on with your life beyond BBs so, congrats to you.

    ALl you need now is just a few more weeks/months of maintained vigilance to put these critters in the rear view mirror once and for all !

    Remain vigilant and carefully inspect your items/packages/bags prior to moving them from room to room or, when the time comes, to your new place.

    Hope this helps best of luck ! paul b.

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    Hi Paul,

    I'm not moving anything around, except myself, and not too much either
    I realize I'm actually super upset they're still here, and getting tired that the problem is not yet resolved.
    I'm wondering why they always seem to come back. Landlord says they cannot come from other units because the apartments are concrete blocks, and bugs would have no way to go from one unit to the other (I am not sure it's correct as sound travels very well from one unit to another). I also doubt that if my source of infestation had been isolated, this would have been going on for so long... I'm sure I don't bring the bugs back home from work. Prior to my infestation, I used to go to my study straight from work and spend a fair amount of time there, but no bug or signs was ever found there. I don't know what to do :'(

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    hey,

    as you suspect the 'can't go through concrete' idea is rubbish - after so many sprays I think you're thinking along the right lines when you're thinking neighbours

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    Dear puns,

    Sorry this is happening at your place.

    BBs, and other pests, are really small critters and capable of entering and traveling through small entry points, such as utility penetrations to enter into wall voids. Once there, they may travel along various conduits (i.e. electric lines, plumbing lines, etc.) and access neighboring units.

    It appears that your LL/Property Manager has invoked oft used response 37 B part 3, "bed bugs can't travel from unit to unit because of concrete block walls". Sometimes they use response 23 A part 4 "no one else in the building has bed bugs".

    You need to counter his response with, choose your best response option as per below:

    > II A part 1: That's BS.

    > VIII B part 7: Perhaps you need to learn more about bed bugs.

    In any case, rest assured that few, if any, buildings are built bed bug proof such that these critters would not be able to eventually find their way from unit to unit, room to room or floor to floor given adequate time and suitable conditions.

    Hope this helps ! paul b.

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    I found blood spots on my sheet this morning :'( Finding dead ones gave me some hope, but it seems they're still alive and kicking.
    Both units below mine were vacated about one month before I discovered my infestation. I always thought they had come from there, also because someone had set off four fogger bombs in the apartment that's two floors below. Landlord said both apartments had been checked for bed bugs and were clear, though.
    I'm exhausted, I have been sick since the beginning of December, I suspect because of chemicals.

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    Fri Jan 13 2012 9:10:29
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    Dear puns,

    Check out your PM, thanks.

    pb

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    So landlord has decided to have downstairs unit and hallway treated as precautionary measures, which I guess is an admission that there are indeed passageways between units

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    Kind of breaking a fuse there.
    Is it even possible that 6 treatments do not put an end to the bed bug problem if I am the one who brought the bugs in once? PCOs hypothesis is they came in with my newly bought bed (bought beg. of August, found the bugs beginning of November, there were few fecal stains on the box spring). If so, how come encasements + treatment didn't put an end to the problem? Any opinion?

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    No opinion (I'm new). Just hang in there...

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    Bonjour, pouvez-vous nous dire le nom de votre PCO?

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    random-name - 1 day ago  » 
    Bonjour, pouvez-vous nous dire le nom de votre PCO?

    Non I might get in trouble if I post it on a public forum. But if you PM me and tell me what your area is, I'd be happy to provide the name.

    None has any opinion of why 6 treatments have not helped?

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    punaisedelit - 4 days ago  » 
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    [No one] has any opinion of why 6 treatments have not helped?

    It's not necessarily because of PCO incompetence – you may have one of the increasingly common populations of pesticide-resistant bed bugs.

    See Wall Street Journal article from one year ago today:

    http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703951704576092302399464190.html .

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    So can you consider shifting to a "greener" approach to fighting bb's i.e. de-emphasizing chemicals?

    As a general suggestion: type « non-pesticide » into Google Advanced Search and limit the domain of your search to « bedbugger.com » which will give you...

    https://www.google.com/search?as_q=%22non-pesticide%22&as_epq=&as_oq=&as_eq=&as_nlo=&as_nhi=&lr=&cr=&as_qdr=all&as_sitesearch=bedbugger.com&as_occt=any&safe=images&tbs=&as_filetype=&as_rights=

    ...pointing you to quite a few discussions here on bedbugger.com about "green" approaches. Perhaps you'll spot some ideas in them which are applicable to your circumstances?

    You've already been using a PackTite which is a great start.

    Hopefully some of the practicing pest professionals, of which I'm not one, who visit this website will comment further on your situation and say whether they agree it's time to switch your focus in the way I'm proposing.

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    punaisedelit - 4 days ago  » 

    None has any opinion of why 6 treatments have not helped?

    You have a message.

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    Hello punaisedelit,
    It should be clear by now that if 6 treatments did not work, 10 or 20 will not work either.
    It does not take e a genius to realize your PCO has not been treating bed bugs themselves directly or their harborage or is is not getting all of them. Until he finds a source, all he is doing is adding more residual which may or may not work. I happened to me on few occasions, when a client kept complaining despite my best efforts.
    I almost stop trusting they were telling the truth. ... until on my third visit I found the harborage area I did not inspect diligently enough. Mia culpa

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    Thanks for the suggestions jrbtnyc; I'm in touch with David.
    PCO spread a 7th time yesterday. It turns out he had sprayed downstairs, the hallway, and another apartment that was infested the day before, so that might explain bugs savagely attacking me... Tomy001, I think that may be what's going on here... although the harbourage may be in the walls and/or in the vacant unit downstairs.

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    Hello punaisedelit,

    If this was my account, with treatment record this poor, I would seriously consider different strategies ... Seal as many voids and cracks in the baseboards, ceiling/wall corners, any molding around door frames, windows ( the wall boards under the molding always have gaps ). Start with the room you sleep in and go from there. It is not expensive and will surely work if the bb are coming from the outside of your unit.

    Tomy

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    Sometimes sealing cracks and crevices during a treatment is not a good idea. It will just put off the problem for a short time until they find a spot that you didn't seal (or seal well enough), and then escape to commence feeding upon you again.

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    BedBugSpecialist - 1 hour ago  » 
    Sometimes sealing cracks and crevices during a treatment is not a good idea. It will just put off the problem for a short time until they find a spot that you didn't seal (or seal well enough), and then escape to commence feeding upon you again.

    They actually did caulk, but did such a poor job that when I came back from Christmas break, one of the first things I saw was a bedbug getting between the brick wall and the caulk. I just hope my landlord doesn't try to charge me for extermination in the unit downstairs, the hallway, and the other unit...

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    We are getting our 5th treatment next week. Our neighbor is a hoarder and infected and they tell us the bedbugs can't get back into our apartment from his (he took a month to be ready for treatment) because they've laid a perimeter. We don't really believe this because we've seen them in our kitchen (where the apartments connect which also has no sitting area, so we are never in there). Perhaps in a room besides a kitchen, this could be more effective because more poison could be used. Anyway, good luck!

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    Also, I am interested to hear what someone can do after so many treatments? Is there a solution? We put the bugs in a ziplock after we find them because the PCO keeps saying they have to crawl through poison to get to us, so they'll die soon (they don't die). I am tired of trying to be diligent to not spread them and tired of finding full sized, happy, well fed bed bugs all over the apartment right after treatments. changing to a new PCO isn't an option because our landlord is footing the bill. The amount of laundry I've done in the past 2 months is killing me. I wake up every day with new bites and am miserable. It seems like we are seeing more of them now than before we even called the exterminator. It seems like there should be steps of poison similar to how there are steps of antibiotics for resistant viruses. Is there something comparable for bed bug treatments and resistant bugs?

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    Frankly, I don't know what can be done. I'm hoping David Cain will have answers, and suspect he will.

    Short of moving, I don't know what's doable.

    I'm not moving out because it's kind of a pain to find a new place now; most of the places where I live are unfurnished, and I don't want to buy new furniture knowing I'll leave this town by the summer. I'm thinking about suing my landlord for the cost of treatment, but it seems complicated in my state.

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    wow, I guess I should consider myself lucky that our landlord legally has to pay for our treatments, although I suspect the company isn't doing a good job. I let one of the bedbugs crawl on the box spring, which was the thing that was concentrated on most in our last treatment and she was dead with in 24 hours. Maybe they just didn't do a good job on the couches...

    We are thinking of moving, but we don't want to go through the expense and hard work of finding a nice place, pay for breaking our lease, moving, and then end up having moved even 2 bugs with us.

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    The worst part is that I'm in a state that's supposedly trying to fix the bed bug problem, but the local laws are actually screwing everyone over. Basically none can intervene unless the building is totally overrun by bed bugs and the landlord sit back and does nothing. But as long as they do something, even if it includes not inspecting adjacent units, etc. there's nothing to do. Hence my desire to sue them, and perhaps the city for being so stupid

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    Found a new bug, adult, almost dead. I was starting to get hopeful


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