Got Bed Bugs? Bedbugger Forums Topic: Bagging things AND drilling in walls

Got Bed Bugs? Bedbugger Forums Topic: Bagging things AND drilling in walls http://bedbugger.com/forum/ Bed bug support forums en Sun, 21 Mar 2010 05:52:03 +0000 abitbugged on "Bagging things AND drilling in walls" http://bedbugger.com/forum/topic/bagging-things-and-drilling-in-walls#post-64944 Mon, 28 Dec 2009 16:23:09 +0000 abitbugged 64944@http://bedbugger.com/forum/ Personally I don't mind using the saver de and putting it in a bag, shaking the contents up and then waiting for them to die. When I open the bag later I can do it outside and carefully vacuum the contents of the bag to get the de off of my stuff. I don't expect to come out of this unscathed. I am looking at pesticides and powders no matter what. I think opening the bags outside and vacuuming them there will lower my risk of exposure to tolerable levels. downonbugs on "Bagging things AND drilling in walls" http://bedbugger.com/forum/topic/bagging-things-and-drilling-in-walls#post-9348 Thu, 06 Sep 2007 16:18:22 +0000 downonbugs 9348@http://bedbugger.com/forum/ Thank you again! I missed the DE faq before because I did not realize it meant silica gel. buggeroff on "Bagging things AND drilling in walls" http://bedbugger.com/forum/topic/bagging-things-and-drilling-in-walls#post-9347 Thu, 06 Sep 2007 16:18:03 +0000 buggeroff 9347@http://bedbugger.com/forum/ What hopeless said. My tub of Drione says it's mostly amorphous silica gel and, despite its name, it is a powder, not something gooey. This material is inert (not chemically active), but it is still bad to inhale because the little crystals can lodge in the lungs and damage the tissue. I think it is really only safe to use in the spaces between the walls - which a person can reach either via electrical outlets and light switches or, more thoroughly, by drilling holes in the sheet rock. But I also think that using this, or something like it, is really important to prevent or slow the movement of BBs from one apartment to another. Does your PCO have a plan to patch the holes, or is that your job? I didn't spray inside the bags. The clean laundry is clean and the things I could not launder I am willing to live without for long enough that the BBs will die on their own. I could see (maybe) spraying things like shoes or books or tchatchkes that you can't launder, letting them dry and then bagging them in the hope that the residual kills the BBs faster than just plain bagging. I don't think I'd count on it, but I can't really give you a good reason why not. Anonymous on "Bagging things AND drilling in walls" http://bedbugger.com/forum/topic/bagging-things-and-drilling-in-walls#post-9346 Thu, 06 Sep 2007 16:14:36 +0000 Anonymous 9346@http://bedbugger.com/forum/ I'm sure there are other brands. Drione is just the brand we hear most often here. downonbugs on "Bagging things AND drilling in walls" http://bedbugger.com/forum/topic/bagging-things-and-drilling-in-walls#post-9345 Thu, 06 Sep 2007 16:12:40 +0000 downonbugs 9345@http://bedbugger.com/forum/ Hi. I'm not really sure what the name is but I was told by my PCO (who drilled the holes and put the powder in) that it was silica gel. I will try to find out more, and thank you for the link to the article. Anonymous on "Bagging things AND drilling in walls" http://bedbugger.com/forum/topic/bagging-things-and-drilling-in-walls#post-9344 Thu, 06 Sep 2007 15:36:12 +0000 Anonymous 9344@http://bedbugger.com/forum/ Silica gel is probably amorphous silica gel (a synthetic desiccant). I guess we're more familiar with the name Drione, which contains silica gel plus pyrethrins (plus synergists). By the way, Drione is not the fresh-water diatomaceous earth (DE) we typically recommend for self-treatment here. (In addition, I usually recommend only the food-grade DE, which is as safe as it gets. However, many prefer a type of DE-plus-pyrethrins, which is yet something else. I guess there is an overwhelming variety of DE and DE-like products.) We always feel the need to remind people of this, Drione does not equal DE, but that's because many use the terms interchangeably, sometimes to disastrous effect. <a href="http://www.pctonline.com/articles/article.asp?ID=2906&IssueID=230">This article</a> by William Quarles in PCT might help with all the distinctions. Bedbugger also has a great DE faq <a href="http://bedbugger.com/2007/03/30/faqde/">here</a>. But, yes, Drione and the like are typical bedbug-fighting products. downonbugs on "Bagging things AND drilling in walls" http://bedbugger.com/forum/topic/bagging-things-and-drilling-in-walls#post-9341 Thu, 06 Sep 2007 14:54:05 +0000 downonbugs 9341@http://bedbugger.com/forum/ Thank you so much nobugsonme! :) Nobugsonme on "Bagging things AND drilling in walls" http://bedbugger.com/forum/topic/bagging-things-and-drilling-in-walls#post-9332 Thu, 06 Sep 2007 14:00:43 +0000 Nobugsonme 9332@http://bedbugger.com/forum/ 1. Spraying a residual into a bag: I did not do this, and frankly, it is scary to me. It can be dangerous to use pesticides in ways they are not labelled to be used. It can be dangerous to have contact with pesticides on your skin, which you will when you remove the stuff. I don't know but it may also damage your stuff. I have heard one or two people recommend this, but my basic feeling is it is dangerous. I tell people that if you bag your stuff for the duration of treatment, it must stay bagged for 18 months. If you do not bag it throughout treatment, but expose it, bed bugs can come out to bite you, cross residual, and die. This is all covered in the FAQs on treating/dealing with your stuff, and you might find some good information there. As far as spraying a contact kill in the bag: this will not work unless you drench everything. Contact killers only kill bed bugs if directly sprayed. 2. Don't know anything about silica gel. Maybe others will. One NYC PCO was drilling holes and filling with DE, I think. If you want to know about silica gel, I'd ask at thebedbugresource.com, where Sean and other PCOs will know more about treatment protocols. downonbugs on "Bagging things AND drilling in walls" http://bedbugger.com/forum/topic/bagging-things-and-drilling-in-walls#post-9310 Thu, 06 Sep 2007 09:38:44 +0000 downonbugs 9310@http://bedbugger.com/forum/ thank you--caulking sounds like a good idea, too. :) anyone else experienced with the gel??? nightshirt on "Bagging things AND drilling in walls" http://bedbugger.com/forum/topic/bagging-things-and-drilling-in-walls#post-9288 Wed, 05 Sep 2007 15:34:06 +0000 nightshirt 9288@http://bedbugger.com/forum/ i dont know about that i will be interested to see what other people have to say about siliconing. fyi - my method works too! i also caulked all around the baseboards, inside closets, everywhere and now my apt is totally isolated. a relief. downonbugs on "Bagging things AND drilling in walls" http://bedbugger.com/forum/topic/bagging-things-and-drilling-in-walls#post-9286 Wed, 05 Sep 2007 13:58:12 +0000 downonbugs 9286@http://bedbugger.com/forum/ Yes. I was told that this would prevent them from coming in from another apartment as well as kill them in the walls if they were hiding there. Because this sounds too good to be true, was just curious if others had knowledge on this....both the pest people and the landlord company seem to have high confidence in this. (In addition to the multiple sprayings they have done). nightshirt on "Bagging things AND drilling in walls" http://bedbugger.com/forum/topic/bagging-things-and-drilling-in-walls#post-9285 Wed, 05 Sep 2007 13:33:39 +0000 nightshirt 9285@http://bedbugger.com/forum/ my pco used de in the wall outlets and that worked. if they are in the walls you need to caulk every crevice and crack to permanently close off your apt from the internal apartment walls. is this what you were doing that silicone thing for? downonbugs on "Bagging things AND drilling in walls" http://bedbugger.com/forum/topic/bagging-things-and-drilling-in-walls#post-9275 Wed, 05 Sep 2007 11:43:30 +0000 downonbugs 9275@http://bedbugger.com/forum/ Two questions. Thanks to anyone and support to everyone who is also going through this. 1. I have vacuumed and bagged everything I own (books, shoes etc.--I have hot washed/dried/dry cleaned/bagged all clothes too but am not worried about them for the moment) and am now worried after reading posts that there still might be a bug in a bag. I am told that if I spray the contact or residual insecticide IN the bag and re-seal it, that should kill anything in there. How true is this? 2. Does anyone have experience with hole drilling and silica gel in the walls? My PCO finally did this for me after 4 months of spraying and still finding dead bugs around. They seem to think this will really do the trick. Thoughts???