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		<title>Take a Seat project: a really bad idea where bed bugs are concerned</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[When a representative from the New York City Housing and Preservation Department told attendees of a bed bug seminar last spring that five NYC subway stations had had bed bugs, Miss Heather blogged about it, and the story was picked up by the mainstream press as well as every blogger and her brother.  (You [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p></p><p>When a representative from the New York City Housing and Preservation Department told attendees of a bed bug seminar last spring that five NYC subway stations had had bed bugs, <a href="http://www.newyorkshitty.com/?p=4795">Miss Heather blogged about it</a>, and the story was picked up by the mainstream press as well as every blogger and her brother.  (You can see links to some of the places the news was reported <a href="http://bedbugger.com/2008/05/08/bed-bugs-in-the-new-york-subway-going-viral/">here</a>.)  </p>
<p>The MTA said they&#8217;d look into it and the HPD acted like they had no knowledge of this.  Still, lots of people looked a little more suspiciously at those wooden subway benches, as well they ought.  Experts tell us that bed bugs are prone to infest public transportation, as a general rule.  </p>
<p>Now consider for a moment, the curbside refuse of this great city, which is also quite likely to be infested by bed bugs.  Bed bugs are in every neighborhood and it seems like the incidence of tossed out mattresses and chairs has gone way up.</p>
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<p>People have always sought out &#8220;curbside bargains&#8221; like free chairs, tables, and mattresses.  It&#8217;s considered frugal and green, and what could be better in the days of global warming and the crashing stock market?</p>
<p>I&#8217;ll tell you what&#8217;s better: avoiding bed bugs.  Forget the discomfort of bed bug bites, for a moment, which many will never even notice.  Those who&#8217;ve never experienced bed bugs have no idea how much money they eat up (even if you <em>aren&#8217;t</em> the one footing the bill for pest control) and how much of a strain the average infestation is on the environment when you factor in the extra laundry (electricity and water) and plastic bags alone.  Before you even talk about replacing some of your stuff and having someone spray pesticides over and over and over.</p>
<p>So, I want to stress that I have mad respect for <a href="http://Idealist.org">Idealist.org</a> and their cool Idealist in NYC blog.  But I have to stress,  in the name of sanity, do not do as <a href="http://idealistnyc.wordpress.com/2008/10/09/from-rags-to-reuse-the-take-a-seat-project/">the Idealist in NYC blog <del datetime="2008-10-11T05:38:57+00:00">tells you</del> plans to</a>, and try and help tired people find somewhere to sit in the subway by donating curbside chairs.  Do not, as the Idealist in NYC blogger cellyham <del datetime="2008-10-11T05:38:57+00:00">pleads</del> says,  &#8220;chip in by salvaging chairs from trash piles, cleaning them up and reusing them in one of the hundreds of stations across the city.&#8221;  Idealist got the idea <a href="http://www.jasoneppink.com/takeaseat/">from this &#8220;Dude&#8221;</a>.</p>
<p>Idealist in NYC blogger cellyham has apparently thought of and dismissed the potential for bed bugs:</p>
<blockquote><p>Skeptics also point out the potential for bedbugs and other such creatures. I’ve had my fair share of experiences with creepy crawlers, and I’ll chance another encounter for a shot at comfort any day. But that’s just me. What do you think?</p></blockquote>
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All I can say is, <em>think again.</em>  Anyone who is willing to &#8220;chance an encounter&#8221; with bed bugs does not know enough about them or what they do, even in a small infestation.<br />
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Oh yeah, and the chance of bed bugs on those &#8220;donated&#8221; chairs in the subway?  It doesn&#8217;t just amount to you bringing the bed bugs into your digs when you rescue the chair from the curb and clean it up at home.</p>
<p>It also stems from the danger of getting bed bugs that have crawled into a chair in someone&#8217;s home.  <a href="http://www.jasoneppink.com/takeaseat/">The Take a Seat idea&#8217;s originator has a nice google map</a> showing where people have placed these chairs so far, and they include some of the most bedbug-infested areas of Brooklyn and Queens, as well as many Manhattan stations.  </p>
<p>Part of the problem with bed bugs is that most people really do not get (a) how easy it is to just &#8220;pick them up&#8221; somewhere, or (b) what a pain in the &#8212; they really are.  </p>
<p><strong>One thing you can do, dear reader with bed bugs, is tell all of your close friends, slowly and repeatedly, so they get it, that bed bugs are easy to get (in fact, you need do nothing, as they may <em>come to you</em>), that there are ways to avoid them, and that you would not wish them on your worst enemies.  Tell them.  Make sure no one you know thinks bed bugs are just another &#8220;creepy crawler.&#8221;</strong><strong>Similar Posts:</strong>
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		<title>Today show recommends sharing used mattresses on Craigslist, Freecycle</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[On the Today show this morning, Katie Couric Meredith Viera said, &#8220;You can&#8217;t live in New York without finding old mattresses and TVs along the curbside because people don&#8217;t know what else to do with them.  But there is someone who will take them.&#8221;
Her interviewee, Chip Giller of Grist.org, suggested going to Craigslist or [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p></p><p><a href="http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/21642033">On the Today show this morning,</a> <strike>Katie Couric</strike> Meredith Viera said, &#8220;You can&#8217;t live in New York without finding old mattresses and TVs along the curbside because people don&#8217;t know what else to do with them.  But there is someone who will take them.&#8221;</p>
<p>Her interviewee, Chip Giller of Grist.org, suggested going to Craigslist or freecycle.org to offer your mattress to others.</p>
<p><a href="http://grist.org/feature/2007/11/06/Today/index.html#comments">Grist says in the related article their website,</a></p>
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<p>In most areas of the U.S., you can&#8217;t recycle your mattresses, and they&#8217;re even hard to give away &#8212; charities like Goodwill often refuse to take them. Old TVs can be tough to unload too. But if your items are still in functional condition, consider that other R, &#8220;reuse,&#8221; instead of just &#8220;recycle.&#8221;</p>
<p>One of the best ways to give new life to your old belongings is through the Freecycle Network, an online community with chapters all over the U.S. and around the world, through which people offer up items they no longer want and other people happily snap them up. (Read an article about Freecycle&#8217;s founding.) The online bulletin board Craigslist, which also has hundreds of local versions, has a section where you can offer things up for free too. You can get rid of just about any usable item (and some items you didn&#8217;t even think were usable) via Freecycle and Craigslist, and you can find great free stuff too.</p></blockquote>
<p>While this may <em>seem</em> like a good idea, these days mattresses you see curbside (and there is one pictured in the Grist article linked to above) are often there because people had bed bugs and threw them out.  While tossing out mattresses and furniture is not usually necessary (or even a good idea), it is a really common reaction to discovering bed bugs.<br />
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While Giller and Viera might assume that people would not offer their bed bug-infested mattresses on these online communities, the sad fact is that you can easily have bed bugs without knowing it&#8211;a significant percentage of people do not react to their bites. </strong> (I&#8217;ve heard estimates from 30% to 70%, but I don&#8217;t think there is good data on this yet.)  Mattresses and furniture items do not always <em>look</em> infested.  And bed bugs are spreading at an alarming rate, all over the US, from New York to Cincinnati, San Francisco to Boston, as well as in other countries.  </p>
<p>This is probably why Goodwill does not accept used mattresses.  (It&#8217;s likely they have enough trouble keeping bed bugs out of their shops and warehouses due to donations of furniture, clothing, and other items they <em>do</em> accept.)</p>
<p>While I strive to be as Green as I am able to be, I can tell you that getting bed bugs can do some serious damage to the environment, in the form of tossed out, destroyed, and replaced items, the use of plastic bags to isolate infested materials, the unusual amount of laundry, not to mention the spraying of pesticides.  </p>
<p>A typical bedbugger&#8217;s XL ziplocs used during an infestation would probably make for a nice little landfill mountain.  Bed bugs are not easy to get rid of, and spread easily to neighbors and others.  One bed bug-infested mattress can lead to many people getting bed bugs and tossing out lots of otherwise-good stuff.  So encouraging people to reuse and share mattresses, when this can spread bed bugs further, just does not make sense.  The best thing for the environment would be for fewer people to get bed bugs in the first place.</p>
<p>Avoiding someone else&#8217;s Craigslist or Freecycle mattress is a good idea, because you cannot be certain it came from a bed bug free home, and neither can the person who donated it.   </p>
<p><strong>Caveat dumpster</strong>, and <strong>Caveat Craigslist</strong>.*</p>
<p>If you&#8217;d like to drop Today a note about this concern, as I did, you can email them: <a href="mailto:today@msnbc.com">today@msnbc.com</a></p>
<p><em>*Yes, I know my Latin is not grammatical. It should be Caveat Dumpster-Diver.  And Caveat Cragislist-user.  But it&#8217;s catchy don&#8217;t you think?  </em>,</p>
<p>Thanks to poorBugger for mentioning this segment in the <a href="http://bedbugger.com/forum/topic/1257">Forums</a>.<strong>Similar Posts:</strong>
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