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		<title>By: nobugsonme</title>
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		<dc:creator>nobugsonme</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Mar 2009 05:17:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>David and Bitten123,

Thanks for your comments.  

David is correct that the man needed some kind of assistance.  Of course, I agree 100%.  Whether he had body lice, or any other kind of pest on him, he needed help.  I hope he got it.  (It is not clear to me that just because he was removed from the train, he did not get assistance.  In fact, I understand the MTA has designated workers who do outreach to people who are apparently sleeping rough (or have similar issues).  

I definitely hope he got help both with the pests and any other social service needs.

David also said,

&quot;If the individual reported on the subway system did in fact have such a heavy case of bed bugs that in desperation for food they had become a human borne colony it is most likely that there would have been an alarming number of nymphs because all good young reside as close to food as possible.&quot;

That makes total sense.

But I guess my question for entomologists is, how long would translucent, unfed first instar bed bug nymphs hang out on a person before feeding?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>David and Bitten123,</p>
<p>Thanks for your comments.  </p>
<p>David is correct that the man needed some kind of assistance.  Of course, I agree 100%.  Whether he had body lice, or any other kind of pest on him, he needed help.  I hope he got it.  (It is not clear to me that just because he was removed from the train, he did not get assistance.  In fact, I understand the MTA has designated workers who do outreach to people who are apparently sleeping rough (or have similar issues).  </p>
<p>I definitely hope he got help both with the pests and any other social service needs.</p>
<p>David also said,</p>
<p>&#8220;If the individual reported on the subway system did in fact have such a heavy case of bed bugs that in desperation for food they had become a human borne colony it is most likely that there would have been an alarming number of nymphs because all good young reside as close to food as possible.&#8221;</p>
<p>That makes total sense.</p>
<p>But I guess my question for entomologists is, how long would translucent, unfed first instar bed bug nymphs hang out on a person before feeding?</p>
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		<title>By: David Cain</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Cain</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Mar 2009 22:23:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I sincerely hope that this is not bed bugs but the truth is that without samples being taken for accurate identification we may never know what it was.

One Friday afternoon many years ago I got a call while out working. The summary was that a hospital out patient had been sent home because there were fleas crawling all over them. Long story short after some detective work we managed to track down an address and at about 5pm I arrived.

I did not need to enter the property to tell that it was a miss diagnosis as I had to kill about 10 bed bugs on him before I stepped across the threshold. Luckily I had my first digital camera with me at the time and although poor resolution compared to what I now use it allowed me to capture one of the last pictures on my gallery. The caption reads &quot;If left untreated Bed Bugs will simple multiple at an alarming rate. This property had been untreated for a very long time and is one of the more extreme cases we have treated. It is however by a long stretch not the worst we have dealt with&quot; the whole room was covered. I doubt there was a batch of wall greater than 3 inches square that did not have either a live bed bug, faecal trace or a cast skin on it.

The bath was filled with a good 2,000 - 3,000 bed bugs trapped trying to walk out.

I asked to get the revisits on the property but the job never came back on my rota so I have no idea how it ended.

If I knew what I do today back then it would have been handled completely differently but it was truly one of those stunning infestations to walk into.

If the individual reported on the subway system did in fact have such a heavy case of bed bugs that in desperation for food they had become a human borne colony it is most likely that there would have been an alarming number of nymphs because all good young reside as close to food as possible. 

The crime that I feel has been committed is to let the person go back out into society without this issue being investigated and assistance given. 

Simply put how can we all stand around scratching our heads as to why bed bugs have come back so quickly when we simple let a massive infestation risk pass back into public space.

It may be that this person does not have a bed bug issue but I hope that someone with some authority in public health realises that this one person could be the key to the infestations of literally hundreds if not thousands of people. It should therefore be one of their highest priorities to get out into the field and find that person so that if it is bed bugs then it can be dealt with. 

If it is not bed bugs then have the humanity to help this person deal with whatever the issue is.

Infestations like this are out there, I see about one per month and invariably they involve a non bite responding occupant often shamefully let down by society.

David Cain
Bed Bugs Limited</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I sincerely hope that this is not bed bugs but the truth is that without samples being taken for accurate identification we may never know what it was.</p>
<p>One Friday afternoon many years ago I got a call while out working. The summary was that a hospital out patient had been sent home because there were fleas crawling all over them. Long story short after some detective work we managed to track down an address and at about 5pm I arrived.</p>
<p>I did not need to enter the property to tell that it was a miss diagnosis as I had to kill about 10 bed bugs on him before I stepped across the threshold. Luckily I had my first digital camera with me at the time and although poor resolution compared to what I now use it allowed me to capture one of the last pictures on my gallery. The caption reads &#8220;If left untreated Bed Bugs will simple multiple at an alarming rate. This property had been untreated for a very long time and is one of the more extreme cases we have treated. It is however by a long stretch not the worst we have dealt with&#8221; the whole room was covered. I doubt there was a batch of wall greater than 3 inches square that did not have either a live bed bug, faecal trace or a cast skin on it.</p>
<p>The bath was filled with a good 2,000 &#8211; 3,000 bed bugs trapped trying to walk out.</p>
<p>I asked to get the revisits on the property but the job never came back on my rota so I have no idea how it ended.</p>
<p>If I knew what I do today back then it would have been handled completely differently but it was truly one of those stunning infestations to walk into.</p>
<p>If the individual reported on the subway system did in fact have such a heavy case of bed bugs that in desperation for food they had become a human borne colony it is most likely that there would have been an alarming number of nymphs because all good young reside as close to food as possible. </p>
<p>The crime that I feel has been committed is to let the person go back out into society without this issue being investigated and assistance given. </p>
<p>Simply put how can we all stand around scratching our heads as to why bed bugs have come back so quickly when we simple let a massive infestation risk pass back into public space.</p>
<p>It may be that this person does not have a bed bug issue but I hope that someone with some authority in public health realises that this one person could be the key to the infestations of literally hundreds if not thousands of people. It should therefore be one of their highest priorities to get out into the field and find that person so that if it is bed bugs then it can be dealt with. </p>
<p>If it is not bed bugs then have the humanity to help this person deal with whatever the issue is.</p>
<p>Infestations like this are out there, I see about one per month and invariably they involve a non bite responding occupant often shamefully let down by society.</p>
<p>David Cain<br />
Bed Bugs Limited</p>
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		<title>By: Bitten123</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bitten123</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Mar 2009 21:17:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I find it highly unlikely that this man was covered in bed bugs, even more unlikely that they would have stayed long. Given how many months I looked long and hard to find just one, I doubt that this poor fellow was afflicted with bed bugs.  I would think that lice/mites/ or even more gross, perhaps it was some type of hatching larvae (think moths, flies, gnats) all their little larvae are clear and wiggly and could stay on him.  If the homeless man was wearing a heavy wool coat, the bugs would have had an easier time hanging on.  When certain bug larvae hatch they are small and whitish transculent.  Fruit fly larvae could have hatched and looked pretty nasty
http://www.iadb.org/news/images/medium/perumosca_375_31.jpg
I think something else was inhabiting this fellow.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I find it highly unlikely that this man was covered in bed bugs, even more unlikely that they would have stayed long. Given how many months I looked long and hard to find just one, I doubt that this poor fellow was afflicted with bed bugs.  I would think that lice/mites/ or even more gross, perhaps it was some type of hatching larvae (think moths, flies, gnats) all their little larvae are clear and wiggly and could stay on him.  If the homeless man was wearing a heavy wool coat, the bugs would have had an easier time hanging on.  When certain bug larvae hatch they are small and whitish transculent.  Fruit fly larvae could have hatched and looked pretty nasty<br />
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I think something else was inhabiting this fellow.</p>
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		<title>By: nobugsonme</title>
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		<dc:creator>nobugsonme</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Mar 2009 17:40:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here&#039;s hoping your E train was uneventful, and louse-free!</description>
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		<title>By: Do Bugs Say &#8216;Choo-Choo&#8217; on the No. 2? - City Room Blog - NYTimes.com</title>
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		<dc:creator>Do Bugs Say &#8216;Choo-Choo&#8217; on the No. 2? - City Room Blog - NYTimes.com</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Mar 2009 16:30:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Bedbug hysteria? Doubt is cast on a tale of creepy translucent bugs on the No. 2 train. [Bedbugger] [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Winston O. Buggy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Winston O. Buggy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Mar 2009 13:07:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Observations of non professionals are I have found often unreliable which is why we get rats the size of cats. And insects with amazing chameleon like abilities and some even get to fly without wings. My passing thought is body lice which will find harborage off the body in clothing. Now if you will excuse me I must be on my way... taking the E train to City Hall.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Observations of non professionals are I have found often unreliable which is why we get rats the size of cats. And insects with amazing chameleon like abilities and some even get to fly without wings. My passing thought is body lice which will find harborage off the body in clothing. Now if you will excuse me I must be on my way&#8230; taking the E train to City Hall.</p>
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