Comments on: Results of University of Florida tests on bed bug dog effectiveness are out http://bedbugger.com/2008/08/20/results-of-university-of-florida-tests-on-bed-bug-dog-effectiveness-are-out/ bed bug news, information, activism, and support Sat, 21 Nov 2009 07:14:38 -0500 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.6 hourly 1 By: Vector Guard Inc http://bedbugger.com/2008/08/20/results-of-university-of-florida-tests-on-bed-bug-dog-effectiveness-are-out/comment-page-1/#comment-14036 Vector Guard Inc Tue, 16 Dec 2008 01:34:58 +0000 http://bedbugger.com/?p=1111#comment-14036 Dear Bed Bug Dog fellow handler, I was not trying to point any fingers it's just I have heard things and I have seen blog after blog of opinions and accusations not by you but others or types of dog's methods of trainers ability of handlers those type of things. If you feel I was pointing at you alone I do apologize I am not into that. My dogs do what they do all I do is do my best to make sure the alerts are as accurate as possible. I train with the dogs on a regular basis, we believe to be the best at something you need to practice. I am sure you do the same. I can tell by your blogs you are a passionate person about your business and your dogs and that is to be admired and respected so If I am may bid you good luck God's speed and great success in the future. Sincerely, Jimmy Lawrence President/CEO Vector-Guard Inc. Dear Bed Bug Dog fellow handler, I was not trying to point any fingers it’s just I have heard things and I have seen blog after blog of opinions and accusations not by you but others or types of dog’s methods of trainers ability of handlers those type of things. If you feel I was pointing at you alone I do apologize I am not into that. My dogs do what they do all I do is do my best to make sure the alerts are as accurate as possible. I train with the dogs on a regular basis, we believe to be the best at something you need to practice. I am sure you do the same. I can tell by your blogs you are a passionate person about your business and your dogs and that is to be admired and respected so If I am may bid you good luck God’s speed and great success in the future.

Sincerely,
Jimmy Lawrence
President/CEO
Vector-Guard Inc.

]]> By: BED BUG INSPECTION DOG LLC http://bedbugger.com/2008/08/20/results-of-university-of-florida-tests-on-bed-bug-dog-effectiveness-are-out/comment-page-1/#comment-14032 BED BUG INSPECTION DOG LLC Mon, 15 Dec 2008 20:35:15 +0000 http://bedbugger.com/?p=1111#comment-14032 I don't think the intent is to "tear down" any one's school of thought. I think you have mistaken satire and objectively researched criticism. In fact, there have been numerous readers that have offered praise for those that have debated the issues. I have attempted to enlighten the readers with out prejudice where, I think the PCO industries short Cummings exist. I believe I live by the 8th commandment, "Thou Shall Not Bear False Witness." I have been very critical about the PCO industries use of a particular breed of dog, its use of out dated training and reward methods and alleged bed bug K-9 certification, process methods. If I, make an accusation, it will always be substantiated. If I have been incorrect, I will always acknowledge it. Gary Broberg BED BUG DOG INSPECTION LLC I don’t think the intent is to “tear down” any one’s school of thought. I think you have mistaken satire and objectively researched criticism. In fact, there have been numerous readers that have offered praise for those that have debated the issues. I have attempted to enlighten the readers with out prejudice where, I think the PCO industries short Cummings exist. I believe I live by the 8th commandment, “Thou Shall Not Bear False Witness.” I have been very critical about the PCO industries use of a particular breed of dog, its use of out dated training and reward methods and alleged bed bug K-9 certification, process methods. If I, make an accusation, it will always be substantiated. If I have been incorrect, I will always acknowledge it.

Gary Broberg
BED BUG DOG INSPECTION LLC

]]> By: Vector Guard Inc http://bedbugger.com/2008/08/20/results-of-university-of-florida-tests-on-bed-bug-dog-effectiveness-are-out/comment-page-1/#comment-14001 Vector Guard Inc Fri, 12 Dec 2008 15:49:58 +0000 http://bedbugger.com/?p=1111#comment-14001 My Fellow bedbug watchers, killers,inspectors this is really getting to be a all out every man for himself expidition. If we could take a dogs nose apart and look at the millions of scent glands in thier nose we could solve alot of problems, but we can't we have to trust the dog. Being a part of the inspection team I think our focus should be on how to use this incredible gift of the canines to help educate and minimize the bedbug situation. There are always going to be disagreements but the key is to work together to create a win win situation for the people suffering from this problem. I would ask any of you to trade places with these folks who have a problem and have had to face the costly, scary, intense situation. Please let's all remember the dog is a tool not a cure all for the problem, they are just like people they make mistakes they have bad days and we have to just work with them and learn to read them and do the best we can with thier abilities. I hope in the future entomologist, handlers. pest control companies will stop looking at the bottom line and start looking at the great tool we have available to us. And understand we have to create the win win not tear down every dog handler trainer and customer, our motto is people don't care how much you know til they know how much you care." My Fellow bedbug watchers, killers,inspectors this is really getting to be a all out every man for himself expidition. If we could take a dogs nose apart and look at the millions of scent glands in thier nose we could solve alot of problems, but we can’t we have to trust the dog. Being a part of the inspection team I think our focus should be on how to use this incredible gift of the canines to help educate and minimize the bedbug situation. There are always going to be disagreements but the key is to work together to create a win win situation for the people suffering from this problem. I would ask any of you to trade places with these folks who have a problem and have had to face the costly, scary, intense situation. Please let’s all remember the dog is a tool not a cure all for the problem, they are just like people they make mistakes they have bad days and we have to just work with them and learn to read them and do the best we can with thier abilities.
I hope in the future entomologist, handlers. pest control companies will stop looking at the bottom line and start looking at the great tool we have available to us. And understand we have to create the win win not tear down every dog handler trainer and customer, our motto is people don’t care how much you know til they know how much you care.”

]]> By: Bella Vista residents in New Haven are getting bed bug k9 inspections : Got bed bugs? Bedbugger.com http://bedbugger.com/2008/08/20/results-of-university-of-florida-tests-on-bed-bug-dog-effectiveness-are-out/comment-page-1/#comment-12299 Bella Vista residents in New Haven are getting bed bug k9 inspections : Got bed bugs? Bedbugger.com Thu, 18 Sep 2008 04:41:35 +0000 http://bedbugger.com/?p=1111#comment-12299 [...] Carl Massicott of Advanced K-9 may be overstating claims of bed bug sniffing dog effectiveness (he says bed bug k9s are 98-100% effective, a number not quite borne out by recent research). [...] [...] Carl Massicott of Advanced K-9 may be overstating claims of bed bug sniffing dog effectiveness (he says bed bug k9s are 98-100% effective, a number not quite borne out by recent research). [...]

]]> By: nobugsonme http://bedbugger.com/2008/08/20/results-of-university-of-florida-tests-on-bed-bug-dog-effectiveness-are-out/comment-page-1/#comment-11597 nobugsonme Thu, 28 Aug 2008 05:41:33 +0000 http://bedbugger.com/?p=1111#comment-11597 Thanks for your comments, Doug. Thanks for your comments, Doug.

]]> By: Doug Summers MS http://bedbugger.com/2008/08/20/results-of-university-of-florida-tests-on-bed-bug-dog-effectiveness-are-out/comment-page-1/#comment-11584 Doug Summers MS Wed, 27 Aug 2008 17:15:14 +0000 http://bedbugger.com/?p=1111#comment-11584 NoBugs I'm not sure we can assume that the procedures were sound based on the fact that the study has been published. The authors specify how the procedures were carried out in detail so that they can be scrutinized, criticized and replicated by other researchers. BBDE The lack of an experienced canine olfactory expert is a valid criticism of this study in my opinion. This is a study of dog behavior that was conducted by insect researchers who are closely affiliated with the same kennel that trained the K9s. The procedures that were used to handle the PVC containers are not detailed in the article. Who handled the test containers & the procedures that were used are critical issues in a scent detection dog evaluation. How does the reader know that the dogs were not being cued by the scent of the trainer, handler or researchers on the test containers? I am not as concerned about the use of the PVC containers since they were used uniformly. I would be more concerned about other materials that were used in the targets such as the type of tape that was used to secure the live specimen vials. In a previous evaluation conducted by the University of Florida, the researcher observed that one of Pepe's dogs alerted to a target that only contained duct tape. The small sample size and the use of a single handler are also serious issues that limit the validity of the study. I think Margie's investigation into the use of solvents to attempt to produce a pseudo-scent is good science, but I doubt that the experimental pseudo-scent will be practical for training K9s for a number of reasons. NoBugs
I’m not sure we can assume that the procedures were sound based on the fact that the study has been published. The authors specify how the procedures were carried out in detail so that they can be scrutinized, criticized and replicated by other researchers.

BBDE
The lack of an experienced canine olfactory expert is a valid criticism of this study in my opinion.

This is a study of dog behavior that was conducted by insect researchers who are closely affiliated with the same kennel that trained the K9s.

The procedures that were used to handle the PVC containers are not detailed in the article. Who handled the test containers & the procedures that were used are critical issues in a scent detection dog evaluation.

How does the reader know that the dogs were not being cued by the scent of the trainer, handler or researchers on the test containers?

I am not as concerned about the use of the PVC containers since they were used uniformly.

I would be more concerned about other materials that were used in the targets such as the type of tape that was used to secure the live specimen vials. In a previous evaluation conducted by the University of Florida, the researcher observed that one of Pepe’s dogs alerted to a target that only contained duct tape.

The small sample size and the use of a single handler are also serious issues that limit the validity of the study.

I think Margie’s investigation into the use of solvents to attempt to produce a pseudo-scent is good science, but I doubt that the experimental pseudo-scent will be practical for training K9s for a number of reasons.

]]> By: nobugsonme http://bedbugger.com/2008/08/20/results-of-university-of-florida-tests-on-bed-bug-dog-effectiveness-are-out/comment-page-1/#comment-11565 nobugsonme Wed, 27 Aug 2008 01:50:03 +0000 http://bedbugger.com/?p=1111#comment-11565 bed bug dog expert, Thanks-- though I doubt any source of information is "uncontaminated," in the sense of being completely unbiased. bed bug dog expert,

Thanks– though I doubt any source of information is “uncontaminated,” in the sense of being completely unbiased.

]]> By: bed bug dog expert http://bedbugger.com/2008/08/20/results-of-university-of-florida-tests-on-bed-bug-dog-effectiveness-are-out/comment-page-1/#comment-11541 bed bug dog expert Tue, 26 Aug 2008 18:08:23 +0000 http://bedbugger.com/?p=1111#comment-11541 Nobugsonme You obviously posted the published research. You own the website. I have no argument with you. It is very clear that you have provided a public service in creating this form which allows individuals to aquire essential and uncontaminated information. May I take this moment to commend you Nobugsonme

You obviously posted the published research. You own the website. I have no argument with you. It is very clear that you have provided a public service in creating this form which allows individuals to aquire essential and uncontaminated information. May I take this moment to commend you

]]> By: nobugsonme http://bedbugger.com/2008/08/20/results-of-university-of-florida-tests-on-bed-bug-dog-effectiveness-are-out/comment-page-1/#comment-11536 nobugsonme Tue, 26 Aug 2008 15:47:14 +0000 http://bedbugger.com/?p=1111#comment-11536 bed bug dog expert, What I tried to clarify for you in my last comment is that the researchers did not post here. That's why I found it odd that you (bed bug dog expert) were addressing the authors of the study, who do not appear to be present for this discussion. I am the owner of an independent website about bed bugs. I regularly post bed bug-related news and information. I posted the article above. The indentations in the article show where the abstract and article has been quoted. Everything else above is my own words, which is why my pseudonym (nobugsonme) is attached to the article. I have no dog in this race, so to speak. I hope that clears things up. It seems to me that a study of bed bug-detecting dogs is relevant to the Journal of Economic Entomology. However, you've stated your position, and I don't wish to argue that point with you any further. bed bug dog expert,

What I tried to clarify for you in my last comment is that the researchers did not post here. That’s why I found it odd that you (bed bug dog expert) were addressing the authors of the study, who do not appear to be present for this discussion.

I am the owner of an independent website about bed bugs. I regularly post bed bug-related news and information. I posted the article above. The indentations in the article show where the abstract and article has been quoted.

Everything else above is my own words, which is why my pseudonym (nobugsonme) is attached to the article. I have no dog in this race, so to speak.

I hope that clears things up.

It seems to me that a study of bed bug-detecting dogs is relevant to the Journal of Economic Entomology. However, you’ve stated your position, and I don’t wish to argue that point with you any further.

]]> By: bed bug dog expert http://bedbugger.com/2008/08/20/results-of-university-of-florida-tests-on-bed-bug-dog-effectiveness-are-out/comment-page-1/#comment-11532 bed bug dog expert Tue, 26 Aug 2008 12:39:07 +0000 http://bedbugger.com/?p=1111#comment-11532 Nobugsonme With all due resspect, the individuals who posted the rsults of the research dicussed the results of bed bug dog detection research. Entomology is the study of bugs, not dog behaior. Not-to-mention, the researchers position, regarding the person who trained the dogs for the research, appeared to be a marketing ploy and biast. If this research was evaluated and found to be sound by the (SWGDOG) The Scientific Working Group on Dog an Othogonal Detector Guidelines which, I am not affliated with, then we would not be talking. If the researchers did not want to recieve comment regarding their research on this web site , they should not have posted. Nobugsonme

With all due resspect, the individuals who posted the rsults of the research dicussed the results of bed bug dog detection research. Entomology is the study of bugs, not dog behaior. Not-to-mention, the researchers position, regarding the person who trained the dogs for the research, appeared to be a marketing ploy and biast. If this research was evaluated and found to be sound by the (SWGDOG) The Scientific Working Group on Dog an Othogonal Detector Guidelines which, I am not affliated with, then we would not be talking. If the researchers did not want to recieve comment regarding their research on this web site , they should not have posted.

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